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Bobby Martnen
07-25-2018, 02:05 AM
The Western leaders and media need to stop with the Putin hate.

Putin isn't the one flooding our countries with refugees.

Putin isn't the one pimping feminism to our youth.

Putin is a good man, who is trying to make the world a better place.

Dragoon
07-25-2018, 02:30 AM
+He did help his country a lot... comparing to the 1990-2000 period its much better for them.
+Demographically hes improved the country significantly (still needs improvement).
+As counterbalance need countries like Russia, China, India, even Europe, or South America, etc. (not fan of One World / Open Society garbage).

-Dont necessary trust him
-He is partly corrupt.

+-Hes no Hitler or Stalin like certain media/trolls claims. Hes not even Bush Jr. or Trotsky.
+-No nukes used, only local interventions (Ukraine, Caucasus) (depends which side you favor).
+-Did he assassinate people? shoot down that plane? Depends who you "trust".

Putting myself in Russian shoes than a A-/B rating.
Atm B/C- range.

Consider the Ruskis European, regardless of the past conflict.
Hopefully their leaders have more good than bad and may Orthodoxy/Christianity return to them.

Colonel Frank Grimes
07-25-2018, 02:31 AM
The Western leaders and media need to stop with the Putin hate.

Putin isn't the one flooding our countries with refugees.

Putin isn't the one pimping feminism to our youth.

Putin is a good man, who is trying to make the world a better place.

Good men don't have their critics murdered. Too many suspicious deaths.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj8Kx0kq1a0

What bothers me most about the human condition is the tendency to put politicians on a pedestal. People do it with Putin, the Clintons, Trump, Obama, etc. instead of seeing them as human beings who have their personal motivations people use them as a symbol of their own beliefs. The best politician you'll ever have is the one who doesn't want to be in office (which, of course, will never happen). You can't trust someone who strives for a political office and so you should always be wary and watch them with suspicious eyes.

Dragoon
07-25-2018, 02:34 AM
What bothers me most about the human condition is the tendency to put politicians on a pedestal. People do it with Putin, the Clintons, Trump, Obama, etc. instead of seeing them as human beings who have their personal motivations people use them as a symbol of their own beliefs. The best politician you'll ever have is the one who doesn't want to be in office (which, of course, will never happen). You can't trust someone who strives for a political office and so you should always be wary and watch them with suspicious eyes.

Mostly agree. People need to be careful with worshipping leaders and always consider ups and downs.
In these days its hard to trust mainstream people. Dont even vote tbh (regardless of country).

Fantomas
07-25-2018, 12:40 PM
Putin isn't the one flooding our countries with refugees.
There's a direct link between mass terror hosted by Syrian regime towards own peoples and organized refugee traffic from Near East.


Putin is a good man, who is trying to make the world a better place.
By sponsoring terrorism, refugee and drug trafficking, launching new wars and influence on the political situation in western countries. Though, there's nothing new, Moscow is trying to do it for the last 100 years.


The Western leaders and media need to stop with the Putin hate.
Western leaders and media are too good to Putin. Anyway what they're talking about him, they're wrong, reality is much worse

EdwardS
07-25-2018, 12:43 PM
Of course he is not perfect in general but Putin just hinders Zionists and globalists.

Krivich
07-25-2018, 12:57 PM
The Western leaders and media need to stop with the Putin hate.

Putin isn't the one flooding our countries with refugees.

Putin isn't the one pimping feminism to our youth.

Putin is a good man, who is trying to make the world a better place.

Yes, Putin does not flood Europe with migrants, Putin floods Russia with migrants. We have so many Greeks and Italians on construction sites, that sometimes you feel that you live in Central Asia.

Kamal900
07-25-2018, 01:03 PM
Mostly agree. People need to be careful with worshipping leaders and always consider ups and downs.
In these days its hard to trust mainstream people. Dont even vote tbh (regardless of country).

Putin is just as a shill as his American counterpart. Just because he had done some good things that doesn't make him a good man. I want people to understand that most of the "Russian" AKA Jewish oligarchs did not leave Russia and her people alone, and it was Putin under his so called "blessing" to them allowed them to stay in power. He only kicked out a handful of them out because they did not believe in his leadership like under Boris back in the early 90's. Russians are ethnic Europeans, and even Russian WN's hate him with a passion as well.

Krivich
07-25-2018, 01:07 PM
Putin is just as a shill as his American counterpart. Just because he had done some good things that doesn't make him a good man. I want people to understand that most of the "Russian" AKA Jewish oligarchs did not leave Russia and her people alone, and it was Putin under his so called "blessing" to them allowed them to stay in power. He only kicked out a handful of them out because they did not believe in his leadership like under Boris back in the early 90's. Russians are ethnic Europeans, and even Russian WN's hate him with a passion as well.

Russians are different. those who lived in the 90s support Putin. Since they know that before they lived very badly, the standard of living is much better now. But the young and middle generation wants to live in a Slavic country populated by Russian and indigenous peoples of Russia. But today very high migration and Italians receive equal rights with the Russians.

Kamal900
07-25-2018, 01:09 PM
Russians are different. those who lived in the 90s support Putin. Since they know that before they lived very badly, the standard of living is much better now. But the young and middle generation wants to live in a Slavic country populated by Russian and indigenous peoples of Russia. But today very high migration and Italians receive equal rights with the Russians.

Indeed. We had A LOT of Russians in the country in the 90's before most of them left back to their home country after they had suffered many economic and political instability in Russia. Putin is at best a civic nationalist, and believes that anyone can be a Russian and so on which does pisses off many Russians and native peoples of Russia..

Colonel Frank Grimes
07-25-2018, 01:14 PM
Russians are different. those who lived in the 90s support Putin. Since they know that before they lived very badly, the standard of living is much better now. But the young and middle generation wants to live in a Slavic country populated by Russian and indigenous peoples of Russia. But today very high migration and Italians receive equal rights with the Russians.

I very much doubt Italians are flooding Russia to work in construction.

Krivich
07-25-2018, 01:28 PM
I very much doubt Italians are flooding Russia to work in construction.

Sorry, maybe it's not the Italians. I sometimes confuse Italians and Central Asians.

rein
07-25-2018, 01:29 PM
Sorry, maybe it's not the Italians. I sometimes confuse Italians and Central Asians.

Why not? Italians are very good at construction. Just look at the Pantheon.

Arhat
07-25-2018, 01:41 PM
Putin is neither the saviour of Russia nor is he the new hitler, what western media tries to tell us. He is just an oligarch and statesman, who want to stay in power as long as possible. He has not really any ideology and is using soviet and czarist nostalgia just to get sympathy from the older generations. Also he is neither nationalist nor liberal. His children live in the west and most of the Russian politicians send their children to the west and spend their money also here. So he and most other Russian politicians are not really anti-western. Anti-western rhetorics are just for the domestic audience.

Colonel Frank Grimes
07-26-2018, 01:42 AM
Putin is neither the saviour of Russia nor is he the new hitler, what western media tries to tell us. He is just an oligarch and statesman, who want to stay in power as long as possible. He has not really any ideology and is using soviet and czarist nostalgia just to get sympathy from the older generations. Also he is neither nationalist nor liberal. His children live in the west and most of the Russian politicians send their children to the west and spend their money also here. So he and most other Russian politicians are not really anti-western. Anti-western rhetorics are just for the domestic audience.

I agree up to the point where you say he isn't a nationalist. Has there ever been a nationalist who has taken power that didn't use their position to their advantage? I can't think of one. What is there for the taking will be taken. That doesn't necessarily mean they will sell out their country. What it means is they will take advantage of their position. Putin is a very wealthy individual by plundering big businessmen who didn't want to play ball with him but that doesn't mean he will place other nation's interests ahead of his own for the sake of profit. What is more important than wealth to many men in power is legacy. How do they want to be remembered by their people and so while he has stolen an incredibly large amount of money from his enemies for his own personal gain they are actions that can be rationalized as 'good for Russia' with a spin hat draws them away from their own personal gain.

In other words actions that can be rationalized to the public that happen to also benefit the leader doesn't damage or may even add to their legacy. Actions that can't be rationalized to benefit the nation would hurt the legacy that the leader would like to leave behind. So they make out like a bandit if they can but not to the point where it will clearly ruin what legacy they would like to leave behind.

As for Russian politicians sending their children to study in universities abroad I don't know how common that is but a parent can't be blamed for wanting the best for their child and the reality is Western universities is where anyone with money would want to send their children. The public educational system in most Western countries sucks but the elite universities are outstanding.

Papa
07-26-2018, 02:31 AM
So, it seems America and Russia are the biggest current "brothers enemies" on earth. Different on the outside, not so different on the inside. And everyone is deploring the substantial loss in "blood and soil", but modern societies are more fueled by ideologies, and those have no race and no boundary... hence all the interventionism and marginalisation of identitary groups.

Wadaad
07-26-2018, 02:39 AM
Of course he is not perfect in general but Putin just hinders Zionists and globalists.

Putin IS a zionist...

Dick
07-26-2018, 02:42 AM
Why not? Italians are very good at construction. Just look at the Pantheon.

lmao

Arhat
07-26-2018, 03:48 AM
I agree up to the point where you say he isn't a nationalist. Has there ever been a nationalist who has taken power that didn't use their position to their advantage? I can't think of one. What is there for the taking will be taken. That doesn't necessarily mean they will sell out their country. What it means is they will take advantage of their position. Putin is a very wealthy individual by plundering big businessmen who didn't want to play ball with him but that doesn't mean he will place other nation's interests ahead of his own for the sake of profit. What is more important than wealth to many men in power is legacy. How do they want to be remembered by their people and so while he has stolen an incredibly large amount of money from his enemies for his own personal gain they are actions that can be rationalized as 'good for Russia' with a spin hat draws them away from their own personal gain.

In other words actions that can be rationalized to the public that happen to also benefit the leader doesn't damage or may even add to their legacy. Actions that can't be rationalized to benefit the nation would hurt the legacy that the leader would like to leave behind. So they make out like a bandit if they can but not to the point where it will clearly ruin what legacy they would like to leave behind.

As for Russian politicians sending their children to study in universities abroad I don't know how common that is but a parent can't be blamed for wanting the best for their child and the reality is Western universities is where anyone with money would want to send their children. The public educational system in most Western countries sucks but the elite universities are outstanding.

There is nothing wrong about sending your children to Western universities, but Russian politicians have double standards. They tell ordinary Russians not to travel, work or study in the West because this is unpatriotic and because the west is so "decadent" but themselves spend their holidays not in Crimea or Sotchi but in France or Spain. Many Russia are annoyed by that..

Many people romanticize Putin. And this is true about both his fans and enemies. He didnt saved Russia and just became president in the right time when the economy recoverd and oil prices skyrocket. Some of his laws in the early 2000s definetly helped to stabilize the economy but they were mostly the work of the finance minister. And after the early 2000s he didnt really did much to modernize and stabilize the economy.

But another president no matter liberal, nationalist or communist would not really change much as long as the society does not change. Corruption is everywhere and already at work, at schools/universities and in everyday life.

Papa
07-26-2018, 04:39 AM
There is nothing wrong about sending your children to Western universities, but Russian politicians have double standards. They tell ordinary Russians not to travel, work or study in the West because this is unpatriotic and because the west is so "decadent" but themselves spend their holidays not in Crimea or Sotchi but in France or Spain. Many Russia are annoyed by that..

Something tells me in America the same was happening : the govt. would dissuade the people, in a more subversive way, not to pay any visit to all those "undemocratic" countries, while the richest can go wherever they please ; the most curious would have gotten their chances with the Internet.

Arhat
07-26-2018, 06:56 AM
Something tells me in America the same was happening : the govt. would dissuade the people, in a more subversive way, not to pay any visit to all those "undemocratic" countries, while the richest can go wherever they please ; the most curious would have gotten their chances with the Internet.

Politicians and elites everywhere in the world claim privileges but in Russia it is more obvious than in the rest of the world. Anyways Russia and America are much more similar than many think. Actually America is in some ways closer to Russia than to Europe. Both are huge countries with wide lands, carcentric, more religious than europe, more capitalist (there is nothing socialist about modern day Russia), have more traditional gender roles and emphasize their army/weapons. Many Russians actually love americans and a lot of them dream about a life in America. From what i am heard it is easier for Russians to integrate into american culture than to integrate into European cultures. All this anti-western rhetorics are either for older people, who grew up in the soviet union or for ultranationalists.

Odin
08-15-2018, 08:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iQ3CyX1U04