My results (im berbere algerian kabyle) Myheritage + FTDNA + 23andme + K36

[Ayarezki]

Myheritage :
78264

FTDNA :
78265

23andme :
78266
78267

K36 :
78268

bonus a picture of me hhh :
78269

Paternal haplogroupe : E-M183
Maternal haplogroupe : J2a2b

[Catarinense1998]

Congrats.A lot of South European heritage there.

[Ayarezki]

Thx, someone told me it's a very old blood, before roman or muslim empires. Honestly, I don't know how it's in me, in my family always thought we are 100% berbere. No stories of andalou refugies or something like that.

[Kamal900]

You looks somewhat Palestinian to me. It seems that you have more European admixture than other Berbers I've seen.

[Ayarezki]

You looks somewhat Palestinian to me. It seems that you have more European admixture than other Berbers I've seen.

Some palestinians and levantines looks like us, true hhh .. for the south european admixture, i think im in the average of (real) coastal maghrebians.

[Kamal900]

Some palestinians and levantines looks like us, true hhh .. for the south european admixture, i think im in the average of (real) coastal maghrebians.

Especially up the coast. For example, in Jerusalem, there used to be a neighborhood that was founded by Berber migrants 700 years ago before it got destroyed. Yes, we love Algerians very dearly. Yes, I've seen one Tunisian similar Euro admixture as you here.

[Lauχum]

Some palestinians and levantines looks like us, true hhh .. for the south european admixture, i think im in the average of (real) coastal maghrebians.

Hey man, and welcome, could you post your Eurogenes K15 oracle results (If you feel comfortable doing so of course.)? Genetic insight into various Berber groups is quite limited atm so it'd be quite interesting and very much appreciated.

[Rgvgjhvv]

See this annoys me. The difference in North African % in MyHeritage/FTDNA to 23andMe is significant. Why is that the case?

[Catarinense1998]

You dont look North African at all.

[Ayarezki]

Hey man, and welcome, could you post your Eurogenes K15 oracle results (If you feel comfortable doing so of course.)? Genetic insight into various Berber groups is quite limited atm so it'd be quite interesting and very much appreciated.

Thx, and no problem you can use my kit number (AU7926274)*, i don't know why but i can't upload the picture of K15 resluts.

[Ayarezki]

See this annoys me. The difference in North African % in MyHeritage/FTDNA to 23andMe is significant. Why is that the case?

23andme (V5) is not accurate for north africans, i think it's a problem of allele share.

[Rgvgjhvv]

23andme (V5) is not accurate for north africans, i think it's a problem of allele share.

Interesting. There's so many conflicting opinions on which commercial test is better. So it's hard to know at the end of the day.

[Ayarezki]

Interesting. There's so many conflicting opinions on which commercial test is better. So it's hard to know at the end of the day.

Yeah i saw hhh.. for europeans i don't know, but for us, north africans, i think myheritage is the most accurate.

[Ayarezki]

Hey man, and welcome, could you post your Eurogenes K15 oracle results (If you feel comfortable doing so of course.)? Genetic insight into various Berber groups is quite limited atm so it'd be quite interesting and very much appreciated.

Finaly it's ok, K15 :
78275
78274

[Lauχum]

Thanks, your results are quite interesting. You score higher on European components (especially West_Med) and lower on West Asian and African components. You shift towards Southern Europeans.

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 27.49
2 East_Med 23.06
3 Red_Sea 13.12
4 Atlantic 12.73
5 Northeast_African 10.68
6 Sub-Saharan 7.4
7 North_Sea 1.94
8 Eastern_Euro 1.56
9 Baltic 1.12
10 Southeast_Asian 0.47
11 Oceanian 0.27
12 Amerindian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan 6.91
2 Mozabite_Berber 6.99
3 Algerian 8.25
4 Tunisian 8.92
5 Algerian_Jewish 19.99
6 West_Sicilian 21.62
7 Italian_Jewish 21.85
8 Libyan_Jewish 22.17
9 Sephardic_Jewish 22.52
10 Tunisian_Jewish 22.61
11 East_Sicilian 22.69
12 Ashkenazi 23.14
13 South_Italian 23.72
14 Tuscan 23.76
15 Egyptian 23.85
16 Central_Greek 24.9
17 Italian_Abruzzo 25.21
18 Greek 25.6
19 Greek_Thessaly 25.88
20 North_Italian 26.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.2% Moroccan + 18.8% Sardinian @ 2.88
2 78.1% Algerian + 21.9% Sardinian @ 3.25
3 81.5% Mozabite_Berber + 18.5% Sardinian @ 3.29
4 77.3% Tunisian + 22.7% Sardinian @ 4.13
5 85.1% Moroccan + 14.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.88
6 86.3% Moroccan + 13.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.99
7 84.4% Moroccan + 15.6% North_Italian @ 5.05
8 87% Moroccan + 13% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.05
9 87.5% Moroccan + 12.5% Southwest_French @ 5.09
10 89.4% Moroccan + 10.6% French_Basque @ 5.1
11 86.6% Moroccan + 13.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.15
12 87.3% Moroccan + 12.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.2
13 83.7% Moroccan + 16.3% Tuscan @ 5.25
14 86.5% Moroccan + 13.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.3
15 87.7% Moroccan + 12.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.36
16 82.8% Moroccan + 17.2% West_Sicilian @ 5.36
17 86.4% Moroccan + 13.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.38
18 85.3% Mozabite_Berber + 14.7% North_Italian @ 5.42
19 86.9% Moroccan + 13.1% Portuguese @ 5.46
20 87.5% Moroccan + 12.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.47

[Congolese Rice]

You dont look North African at all.

lol, yes, yes he does. if you would agree on the opinion that i look more north african/berber than he does you have no clue what they look like.


Berbers can be light, they can be dark like Arabs, they can look pseudo-french or pseudo-iberian, they can look pseudo-mongoloid because of their eyes. the are a super diverse mediterranid people, just like the rest of the caucasoid race. Even Gulf Arabs have a huge variarity of phenotypes.

[Congolese Rice]

Thanks, your results are quite interesting. You score higher on European components (especially West_Med) and lower on West Asian and African components. You shift towards Southern Europeans.

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 27.49
2 East_Med 23.06
3 Red_Sea 13.12
4 Atlantic 12.73
5 Northeast_African 10.68
6 Sub-Saharan 7.4
7 North_Sea 1.94
8 Eastern_Euro 1.56
9 Baltic 1.12
10 Southeast_Asian 0.47
11 Oceanian 0.27
12 Amerindian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan 6.91
2 Mozabite_Berber 6.99
3 Algerian 8.25
4 Tunisian 8.92
5 Algerian_Jewish 19.99
6 West_Sicilian 21.62
7 Italian_Jewish 21.85
8 Libyan_Jewish 22.17
9 Sephardic_Jewish 22.52
10 Tunisian_Jewish 22.61
11 East_Sicilian 22.69
12 Ashkenazi 23.14
13 South_Italian 23.72
14 Tuscan 23.76
15 Egyptian 23.85
16 Central_Greek 24.9
17 Italian_Abruzzo 25.21
18 Greek 25.6
19 Greek_Thessaly 25.88
20 North_Italian 26.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.2% Moroccan + 18.8% Sardinian @ 2.88
2 78.1% Algerian + 21.9% Sardinian @ 3.25
3 81.5% Mozabite_Berber + 18.5% Sardinian @ 3.29
4 77.3% Tunisian + 22.7% Sardinian @ 4.13
5 85.1% Moroccan + 14.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.88
6 86.3% Moroccan + 13.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.99
7 84.4% Moroccan + 15.6% North_Italian @ 5.05
8 87% Moroccan + 13% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.05
9 87.5% Moroccan + 12.5% Southwest_French @ 5.09
10 89.4% Moroccan + 10.6% French_Basque @ 5.1
11 86.6% Moroccan + 13.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.15
12 87.3% Moroccan + 12.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.2
13 83.7% Moroccan + 16.3% Tuscan @ 5.25
14 86.5% Moroccan + 13.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.3
15 87.7% Moroccan + 12.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.36
16 82.8% Moroccan + 17.2% West_Sicilian @ 5.36
17 86.4% Moroccan + 13.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.38
18 85.3% Mozabite_Berber + 14.7% North_Italian @ 5.42
19 86.9% Moroccan + 13.1% Portuguese @ 5.46
20 87.5% Moroccan + 12.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.47


Huh, lol.

it seems like most of his berber is getting sucked into east and west med. Well i guess it makes sense as Berbers are a mediterranean people themselves aswell but still, it would explain my gedmatch results alot more aswell. figures why i score alot of mediterranean on some tests and very little on others xd

[Ayarezki]

Thanks, your results are quite interesting. You score higher on European components (especially West_Med) and lower on West Asian and African components. You shift towards Southern Europeans.

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 27.49
2 East_Med 23.06
3 Red_Sea 13.12
4 Atlantic 12.73
5 Northeast_African 10.68
6 Sub-Saharan 7.4
7 North_Sea 1.94
8 Eastern_Euro 1.56
9 Baltic 1.12
10 Southeast_Asian 0.47
11 Oceanian 0.27
12 Amerindian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan 6.91
2 Mozabite_Berber 6.99
3 Algerian 8.25
4 Tunisian 8.92
5 Algerian_Jewish 19.99
6 West_Sicilian 21.62
7 Italian_Jewish 21.85
8 Libyan_Jewish 22.17
9 Sephardic_Jewish 22.52
10 Tunisian_Jewish 22.61
11 East_Sicilian 22.69
12 Ashkenazi 23.14
13 South_Italian 23.72
14 Tuscan 23.76
15 Egyptian 23.85
16 Central_Greek 24.9
17 Italian_Abruzzo 25.21
18 Greek 25.6
19 Greek_Thessaly 25.88
20 North_Italian 26.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.2% Moroccan + 18.8% Sardinian @ 2.88
2 78.1% Algerian + 21.9% Sardinian @ 3.25
3 81.5% Mozabite_Berber + 18.5% Sardinian @ 3.29
4 77.3% Tunisian + 22.7% Sardinian @ 4.13
5 85.1% Moroccan + 14.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.88
6 86.3% Moroccan + 13.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.99
7 84.4% Moroccan + 15.6% North_Italian @ 5.05
8 87% Moroccan + 13% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.05
9 87.5% Moroccan + 12.5% Southwest_French @ 5.09
10 89.4% Moroccan + 10.6% French_Basque @ 5.1
11 86.6% Moroccan + 13.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.15
12 87.3% Moroccan + 12.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.2
13 83.7% Moroccan + 16.3% Tuscan @ 5.25
14 86.5% Moroccan + 13.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.3
15 87.7% Moroccan + 12.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.36
16 82.8% Moroccan + 17.2% West_Sicilian @ 5.36
17 86.4% Moroccan + 13.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.38
18 85.3% Mozabite_Berber + 14.7% North_Italian @ 5.42
19 86.9% Moroccan + 13.1% Portuguese @ 5.46
20 87.5% Moroccan + 12.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.47


Thanks for these explanations, i don't realy understand gedmatch. I made the same with a rifian (North Morocco) who score approxymately 70% North Africa + 30% South Europe with 23andme (V5), and a soussi (center of Morocco) who score 100% North Africa with FTDNA, both are berbers.

The rifian :
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population
Percent
1 West_Med 26.69
2 East_Med 25.16
3 Red_Sea 12.75
4 Atlantic 10.91
5 Northeast_African 10.08
6 Sub-Saharan 7.32
7 North_Sea 7.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source)
Distance
1 Algerian 7.51
2 Moroccan 8.19
3 Mozabite_Berber 8.79
4 Tunisian 9.49
5 Algerian_Jewish 18.53
6 Libyan_Jewish 19.65
7 Italian_Jewish 20.01
8 West_Sicilian 20.48
9 Sephardic_Jewish 21.28
10 Tunisian_Jewish 21.31
11 East_Sicilian 21.31
12 Ashkenazi 21.76
13 South_Italian 22.34
14 Tuscan 22.53
15 Egyptian 22.64
16 Central_Greek 23.61
17 Italian_Abruzzo 23.93
18 Greek_Thessaly 24.46
19 North_Italian 25.14
20 Greek 25.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1 80.5% Algerian + 19.5% Sardinian @ 3.26
2 82.3% Moroccan + 17.7% Sardinian @ 5.69
3 78.8% Moroccan + 21.2% Tuscan @ 5.71
4 80.7% Moroccan + 19.3% North_Italian @ 5.73
5 85.4% Algerian + 14.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.83
6 86.9% Algerian + 13.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.85
7 83.9% Algerian + 16.1% North_Italian @ 5.87
8 86.9% Algerian + 13.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.87
9 77.5% Moroccan + 22.5% West_Sicilian @ 5.9
10 85.4% Algerian + 14.6% Portuguese @ 5.91
11 78.8% Tunisian + 21.2% Sardinian @ 5.93
12 86.5% Algerian + 13.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.93
13 86.6% Algerian + 13.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.94
14 85.3% Algerian + 14.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.94
15 85.8% Algerian + 14.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.94
16 85.8% Algerian + 14.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.98
17 87.9% Algerian + 12.1% Southwest_French @ 6
18 87.1% Algerian + 12.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.04
19 90% Algerian + 10% French_Basque @ 6.06
20 86.7% Algerian + 13.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.09

*(she is closer to algerian than me hhh ..!)



The soussi :
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population
Percent
1 West_Med 29.1
2 East_Med 20.16
3 Red_Sea 15.9
4 Northeast_African 14.85
5 Sub-Saharan 9.83
6 Atlantic 5.84
7 North_Sea 3.92
8 Amerindian 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

#nPopulation (source)
Distance
1 Moroccan 6.48
2 Mozabite_Berber 8.62
3 Algerian 9.26
4 Tunisian 12.66
5 Egyptian 25.23
6 Libyan_Jewish 26.12
7 Algerian_Jewish 26.28
8 Italian_Jewish 27.79
9 Tunisian_Jewish 28.16
10 East_Sicilian 28.34
11 Ashkenazi 28.34
12 West_Sicilian 28.48
13 Sephardic_Jewish 28.7
14 South_Italian 29.7
15 Tuscan 30.05
16 Bedouin 30.25
17 Central_Greek 30.58
18 Greek_Thessaly 30.89
19 Italian_Abruzzo 31.27
20 Greek 31.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1 94.3% Moroccan + 5.7% Sardinian @ 6.19
2 97.8% Moroccan + 2.2% Sudanese @ 6.28
3 98% Moroccan + 2% San @ 6.29
4 97.8% Moroccan + 2.2% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 6.29
5 98.2% Moroccan + 1.8% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 6.3
6 98.3% Moroccan + 1.7% Luhya @ 6.31
7 98.3% Moroccan + 1.7% Bantu_N.E. @ 6.31
8 98.5% Moroccan + 1.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 6.32
9 98% Moroccan + 2% Hadza @ 6.32
10 97.8% Moroccan + 2.2% Sandawe @ 6.33
11 98.6% Moroccan + 1.4% Bantu_S.E. @ 6.33
12 98.6% Moroccan + 1.4% Bantu_S.W. @ 6.33
13 98.1% Moroccan + 1.9% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 6.33
14 98.7% Moroccan + 1.3% Mandenka @ 6.34
15 98.8% Moroccan + 1.2% Yoruban @ 6.35
16 98% Moroccan + 2% Maasai @ 6.36
17 98.9% Moroccan + 1.1% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 6.42
18 99.8% Moroccan + 0.2% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 6.47
19 99.9% Moroccan + 0.1% Mayan @ 6.47
20 99.8% Moroccan + 0.2% Somali @ 6.47

[Ayarezki]

lol, yes, yes he does. if you would agree on the opinion that i look more north african/berber than he does you have no clue what they look like.


Berbers can be light, they can be dark like Arabs, they can look pseudo-french or pseudo-iberian, they can look pseudo-mongoloid because of their eyes. the are a super diverse mediterranid people, just like the rest of the caucasoid race. Even Gulf Arabs have a huge variarity of phenotypes.

True, there is no berber phenotype, we can talk about coastal berber, saharian berber, etc.. In my mountain village, near Bejaia, people are light, but not as nordic europeans, in the south near Ouargla or Tamanrasset (twareg) they are brown, anyway, all of us are berber.

[Catarinense1998]

lol, yes, yes he does. if you would agree on the opinion that i look more north african/berber than he does you have no clue what they look like.


Berbers can be light, they can be dark like Arabs, they can look pseudo-french or pseudo-iberian, they can look pseudo-mongoloid because of their eyes. the are a super diverse mediterranid people, just like the rest of the caucasoid race. Even Gulf Arabs have a huge variarity of phenotypes.

The north africans image which I have in my mind is a very black admixture person.This guy in OP doesnt look SSA.

[Congolese Rice]

True, there is no berber phenotype, we can talk about coastal berber, saharian berber, etc.. In my mountain village, near Bejaia, people are light, but not as nordic europeans, in the south near Ouargla or Tamanrasset (twareg) they are brown, anyway, all of us are berber.

Exactly. Berbers are super diverse XD even i know this, saying a berber doesn't look "berber" is like saying a Turk doesnt look like a Turk. What is a "Turk" supposed to look like??? XD damn.

[Ayarezki]

The north africans image which I have in my mind is a very black admixture person.This guy in OP doesnt look SSA.

May be you have a lot of southern north africans around you, most of north africans migrants in Europe are from South Morocco and South Tunisia, except in France and Netherland where there are many kabyles and rifians. Southern are a bit more darker than coastal. I came from the same area of Zinedine Zidane, Karim Benzema, Yacine Adli, Souad Massi, Lidya Guirous, Celia Ould Mohand, etc.. im in the average of this region, moutain and coast berber.

[Congolese Rice]

The north africans image which I have in my mind is a very black admixture person.This guy in OP doesnt look SSA.

wrong image you have then. Only Moroccans and Egyptians have elevated levels of SSA. Algerians, Tunisians, Libyans barely have any SSA. probably like 5-10% max.


what makes me look more north african than him though? my SSA? he looks more berber than i do, SSA has nothing 2 do with looking berber. Saharan people are very different from subsaharan africans the two have nothing alike. Berbers are a mediterranid people and Subsaharans are true "black africans". both are african natively though.

[Congolese Rice]

May be you have a lot of southern north africans around you, most of north africans migrants in Europe are from South Morocco and South Tunisia, except in French and Holland who there are many kabyles and rifains. Southern are a bit more darker than coastal. I came from the same area of Zinedine Zidane, Karim Benzema, Yacine Adli, Souad Massi, Lidiya Guirous, Celia Ould Mohand, etc.. im in the average of this region, moutain and cost berber.

he could lol, you look far more berber than i do. if you wanna compare our looks i have a link to a post of mine under the text saying " DIY steppe K10 "

i think you look more berber than i do and thats a fact lmao, i might be darker than you but i have more "orientalid" features from what people say.

[Kamal900]

wrong image you have then. Only Moroccans and Egyptians have elevated levels of SSA. Algerians, Tunisians, Libyans barely have any SSA. probably like 5-10% max.


what makes me look more north african than him though? my SSA? he looks more berber than i do, SSA has nothing 2 do with looking berber. Saharan people are very different from subsaharan africans the two have nothing alike. Berbers are a mediterranid people and Subsaharans are true "black africans". both are african natively though.

Libyans are probably the most Arabian admixed in contrast to other Maghrebi peoples.

[Ayarezki]

he could lol, you look far more berber than i do. if you wanna compare our looks i have a link to a post of mine under the text saying " DIY steppe K10 "

i think you look more berber than i do and thats a fact lmao, i might be darker than you but i have more "orientalid" features from what people say.

I don't have permission to access hhh ? ��

[Ayarezki]

Libyans are probably the most Arabian admixed in contrast to other Maghrebi peoples.

Eastern libyans may be, western libyans are definitely berber, I saw a lot of them in Tunisia, from Zwara and Nefussa, we have very close language and phenotype, they are berbers algerians to me hhh

[happycow]

Very cool thank you for sharing

[Congolese Rice]

I don't have permission to access hhh ? ��

u need 15 posts to access the personal taxonomy subforum, so if you create a few more threads ull probably be able to enter, try it now if u want haha

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?252900-Would-YemeniAntillean-pass-as-a-Yemeni-Arab-(Funnily-enough-XD)-New-pictures-taken-in-Aruba

[Congolese Rice]

Libyans are probably the most Arabian admixed in contrast to other Maghrebi peoples.

yes, you could probably be right. it's weird though how Egypt is technically closer to Arabia yet Libya is more arabian xD


*evil lauff* would you say i could pass in... LIBYA? >:^)))



(yes, i will not stop asking. i am the annoying parasite this forum needs, not who the forum wants)

[Hadouken]

you can pass as kurdish

[Ayarezki]

you can pass as kurdish

I have heard i could pass as a turk, but never kurd. However to be honest, no one make distinction between turk and kurd around me hhh

[Hadouken]

I have heard i could pass as a turk, but never kurd. However to be honest, no one make distinction between turk and kurd around me hhh

you can take a look at the link in my signature . I made a big gallery of kurdish looks and you will see you can pass :)

[Ayarezki]

you can take a look at the link in my signature . I made a big gallery of kurdish looks and you will see you can pass :)

I will, and if it's you on your PP, you can also easely pass as coastal berbere.

[Hadouken]

I will, and if it's you on your PP, you can also easely pass as coastal berbere.

I thought so that I could :)

here this is me

http://up.picr.de/31435668bl.jpg
http://up.picr.de/27709569kn.jpg
http://up.picr.de/33287589cw.jpg
http://up.picr.de/31746698pe.jpg

http://up.picr.de/32084007tq.jpg

http://up.picr.de/24843821op.jpg

[Congolese Rice]

I have heard i could pass as a turk, but never kurd. However to be honest, no one make distinction between turk and kurd around me hhh

you COULD fit as kurdish i suppose yeah. i am no expert on kurds at all, but from what ive seen i think you could. but if hadouken says so then i'd take his word for it, hes an expert on his people xd

[Ayarezki]

Facial features, skin tone, noise, hair, you pass everywhere in the north of North Africa, if you learn our language nobody can unmask you ;)

[Hadouken]

Facial features, skin tone, noise, hair, you pass everywhere in the north of North Africa, if you learn our language nobody can unmask you ;)

would I pass as riffian ?

[Ayarezki]

would I pass as riffian ?

Im not an expert, but to me yes.

[Hadouken]

Im not an expert, but to me yes.

where exactly are you from ? do I pass as your very own ethnicity ?

[Ayarezki]

where exactly are you from ? do I pass as your very own ethnicity ?

Im from a little village near Bejaia, in Kabylia, and yes you pass. But not only in my area, in Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia there is not big difference (phenotype) between coastal citizens, real coastal not recent who have their grand parents who moved from the center or the south recently. Language and culture differentiates us, not phenotype. Look this rifian football player, Nordine Amrabat (he said the famous "var is bullshit" at the russian world cup hhh) : https://www.google.fr/search?q=nordine+amrabat&client=safari&hl=fr-fr&prmd=niv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq2PeI8rrcAhVSRBoKHaWXDJsQ_AUIECgC&biw=1024&bih=671

[Congolese Rice]

Facial features, skin tone, noise, hair, you pass everywhere in the north of North Africa, if you learn our language nobody can unmask you ;)

haha yes, hadouken could also pass for berber i think. if i met him and he told me he was Berber i'd not even question it xD but he does have a unique iranic look to me thats not super common amongst berbers i think.


would you say i could also pass in north africa? or am i more gulf looking compared to ma kurd m8 HaaDOUUKENN xd

[Kouros]

You look like a North African with European complexion. The results are interesting though.

[Hadouken]

haha yes, hadouken could also pass for berber i think. if i met him and he told me he was Berber i'd not even question it xD but he does have a unique iranic look to me thats not super common amongst berbers i think.


would you say i could also pass in north africa? or am i more gulf looking compared to ma kurd m8 HaaDOUUKENN xd

I dont have a unique "iranic" look dude . stop with your biased thinking already . most people from turkey dont even guess me kurdish but turkish for example :lol: and many people place me as armenian , azeri , georgian , lebanese etc. . nothing unique iranic about me .

[Congolese Rice]

I dont have a unique "iranic" look dude . stop with your biased thinking already . most people from turkey dont even guess me kurdish but turkish for example :lol: and many people place me as armenian , azeri , georgian , lebanese etc. . nothing unique iranic about me .

lol, nothing about my opinion is biased. i just say what i think is right. i might be right, i might be wrong. most of the time my guesses are fairly ok, not accurate but ok.


and yeah, those are turkish people. you still are iranic influenced looking to me nevertheless of what they say or not. i know many turks myself, you look kinda different from them. not completely different but not completely similar either. atleast thats my opinion. you dont have to like my opinion this is just what i think.

and yeah sure, you could pass for some armenian i suppose, Georgian i am not sure because i dont know what they look like. Lebanese is possible too as they are majority west asian sure.

[Hadouken]

lol, nothing about my opinion is biased. i just say what i think is right. i might be right, i might be wrong. most of the time my guesses are fairly ok, not accurate but ok.


and yeah, those are turkish people. you still are iranic influenced looking to me nevertheless of what they say or not. i know many turks myself, you look kinda different from them. not completely different but not completely similar either. atleast thats my opinion. you dont have to like my opinion this is just what i think.

and yeah sure, you could pass for some armenian i suppose, Georgian i am not sure because i dont know what they look like. Lebanese is possible too as they are majority west asian sure.

trust me you are influenced by the fact knowing I am "iraniiic" :lol: . nothing new for me I am used to this already

[Congolese Rice]

trust me you are influenced by the fact knowing I am "iraniiic" :lol: . nothing new for me I am used to this already

*yemeni has left the game*


no nigga no, even if i didnt know you were iranic i'd still probably have enough common sense to see it. i am not THAT bad at differentiating Middle Easterners. like it or not but i have seen plenty of Iranians that had a similar facial structure to you. Idk what it is but their jaws slightly protude to the sides, like the same thing indians also have but a lesser version of it.

but yeah whatevuh sonn. you'd still pass in turkey i think nevertheless, also armenia, once again georgia idk. Lebanon you pass. North Africa probably also, i am no expert on Berbers but from the berbers i've seen so far i wouldnt be surprised if i didnt know you and you told me you were berber. i'd just believe you.

[Hadouken]

*yemeni has left the game*


no nigga no, even if i didnt know you were iranic i'd still probably have enough common sense to see it. i am not THAT bad at differentiating Middle Easterners. like it or not but i have seen plenty of Iranians that had a similar facial structure to you. Idk what it is but their jaws slightly protude to the sides, like the same thing indians also have but a lesser version of it.

but yeah whatevuh sonn. you'd still pass in turkey i think nevertheless, also armenia, once again georgia idk. Lebanon you pass. North Africa probably also, i am no expert on Berbers but from the berbers i've seen so far i wouldnt be surprised if i didnt know you and you told me you were berber. i'd just believe you.

I am from turkey :lol:

ok bro thanks

[Congolese Rice]

I am from turkey :lol:

ok bro thanks

Oh lmao, well still. You could indeed pass in those areas, all i wanted to say is that you did have iranic influence. sure you could pass easy in turkey lmao, if you told me you were a 100% turkish TURKIYE #1 LAN guy i'd completely believe you thats not the problem xd

and yeh ur welcome cuzz

[Alessio]

Interesting. There's so many conflicting opinions on which commercial test is better. So it's hard to know at the end of the day.

It mainly depends on your ancestry which one is best.

[Alessio]

*yemeni has left the game*


no nigga no, even if i didnt know you were iranic i'd still probably have enough common sense to see it. i am not THAT bad at differentiating Middle Easterners. like it or not but i have seen plenty of Iranians that had a similar facial structure to you. Idk what it is but their jaws slightly protude to the sides, like the same thing indians also have but a lesser version of it.

but yeah whatevuh sonn. you'd still pass in turkey i think nevertheless, also armenia, once again georgia idk. Lebanon you pass. North Africa probably also, i am no expert on Berbers but from the berbers i've seen so far i wouldnt be surprised if i didnt know you and you told me you were berber. i'd just believe you.

Wat voor afkomst ben jij als ik vragen mag?

[Rgvgjhvv]

It mainly depends on your ancestry which one is best.

What would you reccomend then for a Greek person, for example?

[Kukushka]

Half-Spanish muslim convert reconquista refugee

[Congolese Rice]

Wat voor afkomst ben jij als ik vragen mag?

ik ben half antilliaans en half amerikaan. als je meer "indepth" wil gaan dan ben ik ja, zoals mijn profiel zegt. 21% nigeriaans, een 42% mix van Spaans, Duits, Brits/Iers, en meerdere dingen. en 1/3rde Arabier.

ik weet niet eens waar het arabische deel vandaan komt maar het zal wel xD Arubanen zijn behoorlijk divers

[Alessio]

What would you reccomend then for a Greek person, for example?

AncestryDNA for the Genetic Communities and GEDmatch. 23andme does well with Greeks, although you should look at other Greek (different regions + islands) results first to be able to tell most of them apart.

[Alessio]

ik ben half antilliaans en half amerikaan. als je meer "indepth" wil gaan dan ben ik ja, zoals mijn profiel zegt. 21% nigeriaans, een 42% mix van Spaans, Duits, Brits/Iers, en meerdere dingen. en 1/3rde Arabier.

ik weet niet eens waar het arabische deel vandaan komt maar het zal wel xD Arubanen zijn behoorlijk divers

Wel bijzonder ja dat je 'Arabisch' scoort. Heb je genealogisch onderzoek gedaan naar je voorouders uit Aruba?
Ja, Antillianen zijn vaak erg gemixt, al vind ik dat vele soortgelijke kenmerken dragen in het gezicht; wellicht omdat het een klein eiland is en er veel met ''verre familieleden'' wordt voortgeplant, wat de gene pool aardig verkleint? Heb mij er nooit zo in verdiept, al vind ik de eilanden wel reuze interessant.

[Congolese Rice]

Wel bijzonder ja dat je 'Arabisch' scoort. Heb je genealogisch onderzoek gedaan naar je voorouders uit Aruba?

Nou, dat heb ik geprobeerd maar ewaja niemand in bijde van mijn families heeft een Arabische achternaam. Maar ik weet wel dat mijn opa van mijn moeders kant er behoorlijk ethiopisch or eritrees uitzag. Hij had stijl zwart haar, hij was zwart, en had een grote "hooked" nose of wat je het wil noemen, zo'n arabieren neus. Verder weet ik niet zo veel, hij zag er niet typisch nigeriaans uit ofzo want zijn neus was niet plat zoals de meeste west afrikanen. Verder heb ik de achternaam "da Costa Gomez" in mijn moeder's familie, en dat kan zo'n sephardischs joodse achternaam zijn van wat ik heb gelezen. verder weet ik t niet haha

alleen die testen geven mij veel arabisch dus het zal wel waar moeten zijn. Ik cluster ook het dichtste bij Jemen, Palestina, Jordanie, en Bedouins van die arabische nomaden.


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Eurasia K3 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 70.71
2 SSA 24.63
3 E_Eurasian 4.66


Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Yemen @ 6.961379
2 BedouinA @ 16.483727
3 Jordanian @ 21.202770
4 Palestinian @ 22.186718
5 Syrian @ 22.687027
6 Makrani @ 23.260059
7 Yemenite_Jew @ 23.740688
8 Saudi @ 24.097925
9 Lebanese @ 24.929094
10 Brahui @ 26.553122
11 Balochi @ 26.774252
12 Iranian @ 27.331972
13 Kurd_C @ 28.814047
14 Turkish @ 28.826607
15 Tajik_Pomiri @ 30.079639
16 Kurd_SE @ 30.190075
17 Balkar @ 30.339142
18 Pashtun_Afghan @ 30.998453
19 Iraqi_Jew @ 31.145370
20 Kurd_N @ 31.159136

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Chechen +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 0.652094
2 50% Adygei +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 0.696663
3 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Mordovian @ 1.432484
4 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Finnish @ 1.551258
5 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Russian @ 1.786772
6 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Kurd_N @ 1.798264
7 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Loschbour @ 1.887879
8 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Kurd_C @ 2.108809
9 50% Abkhasian +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 2.230215
10 50% Estonian +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 2.392141
11 50% Belarusian +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 2.721415
12 50% Balkar +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 2.774813
13 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Turkish @ 2.802476
14 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Georgian_Jew @ 2.912771
15 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Iranian @ 3.001159
==========


gedrosia K6 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 30.45
2 Natufian 27.76
3 Sub_Saharan 23.28
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 14.74
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
6 East_Asian 1.34


Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moroccan @ 19.881178
2 Algerian @ 20.177343
3 Saharawi @ 23.123322
4 GoyetQ116 @ 26.824112
5 Libyan @ 26.871412
6 Bulgarian @ 27.774874
7 Hungarian @ 27.984194
8 Ukrainian @ 28.123915
9 Croatian @ 28.133266
10 Romanian @ 28.206146
11 Russian @ 28.245659
12 Spanish @ 28.378586
13 Steppe_MLBA @ 28.516495
14 Czech @ 28.744583
15 Scottish @ 28.818592
16 Norwegian @ 28.908331
17 English @ 28.919888
18 French @ 28.978497
19 Finnish @ 29.012388
20 Europe_LNBA @ 29.401033

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Somali @ 6.784506


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese +25% Mota +25% Motala12 @ 1.296267


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 BedouinA + Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_ChL @ 0.000000
2 BedouinA + Hadza + Iran_ChL + WHG @ 0.000000
3 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian @ 0.000000
4 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.000000
5 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_F @ 0.422032
6 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_F + WHG @ 0.422032
7 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + SHG @ 0.481609
8 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian @ 0.488010
9 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.488010
10 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_LN + Jordanian @ 0.575826
11 Hadza + Iran_LN + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.575826
12 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_C @ 0.598981
13 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_C + WHG @ 0.598981
14 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + Motala12 @ 0.673160
15 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese @ 0.680161
16 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese + WHG @ 0.680161
17 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian @ 0.743273
18 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.743273
19 Kumyk + Libyan + Masai + SHG @ 0.778317
20 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Kurd_C + Palestinian @ 0.802877


hier is mijn kit number als je zelf testen wil doen ermee ofzo, Eurogenes en puntDNAL zijn de slechtste testen voor mij want die geven mij teveel europees lol.

Kit Num: M560080

[Alessio]

Nou, dat heb ik geprobeerd maar ewaja niemand in bijde van mijn families heeft een Arabische achternaam. Maar ik weet wel dat mijn opa van mijn moeders kant er behoorlijk ethiopisch or eritrees uitzag. Hij had stijl zwart haar, hij was zwart, en had een grote "hooked" nose of wat je het wil noemen, zo'n arabieren neus. Verder weet ik niet zo veel, hij zag er niet typisch nigeriaans uit ofzo want zijn neus was niet plat zoals de meeste west afrikanen. Verder heb ik de achternaam "da Costa Gomez" in mijn moeder's familie, en dat kan zo'n sephardischs joodse achternaam zijn van wat ik heb gelezen. verder weet ik t niet haha

alleen die testen geven mij veel arabisch dus het zal wel waar moeten zijn. Ik cluster ook het dichtste bij Jemen, Palestina, Jordanie, en Bedouins van die arabische nomaden.


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Eurasia K3 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 70.71
2 SSA 24.63
3 E_Eurasian 4.66


Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Yemen @ 6.961379
2 BedouinA @ 16.483727
3 Jordanian @ 21.202770
4 Palestinian @ 22.186718
5 Syrian @ 22.687027
6 Makrani @ 23.260059
7 Yemenite_Jew @ 23.740688
8 Saudi @ 24.097925
9 Lebanese @ 24.929094
10 Brahui @ 26.553122
11 Balochi @ 26.774252
12 Iranian @ 27.331972
13 Kurd_C @ 28.814047
14 Turkish @ 28.826607
15 Tajik_Pomiri @ 30.079639
16 Kurd_SE @ 30.190075
17 Balkar @ 30.339142
18 Pashtun_Afghan @ 30.998453
19 Iraqi_Jew @ 31.145370
20 Kurd_N @ 31.159136

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Chechen +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 0.652094
2 50% Adygei +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 0.696663
3 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Mordovian @ 1.432484
4 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Finnish @ 1.551258
5 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Russian @ 1.786772
6 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Kurd_N @ 1.798264
7 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Loschbour @ 1.887879
8 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Kurd_C @ 2.108809
9 50% Abkhasian +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 2.230215
10 50% Estonian +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 2.392141
11 50% Belarusian +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 2.721415
12 50% Balkar +50% Ethiopian_Jew @ 2.774813
13 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Turkish @ 2.802476
14 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Georgian_Jew @ 2.912771
15 50% Ethiopian_Jew +50% Iranian @ 3.001159
==========


gedrosia K6 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 30.45
2 Natufian 27.76
3 Sub_Saharan 23.28
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 14.74
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
6 East_Asian 1.34


Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moroccan @ 19.881178
2 Algerian @ 20.177343
3 Saharawi @ 23.123322
4 GoyetQ116 @ 26.824112
5 Libyan @ 26.871412
6 Bulgarian @ 27.774874
7 Hungarian @ 27.984194
8 Ukrainian @ 28.123915
9 Croatian @ 28.133266
10 Romanian @ 28.206146
11 Russian @ 28.245659
12 Spanish @ 28.378586
13 Steppe_MLBA @ 28.516495
14 Czech @ 28.744583
15 Scottish @ 28.818592
16 Norwegian @ 28.908331
17 English @ 28.919888
18 French @ 28.978497
19 Finnish @ 29.012388
20 Europe_LNBA @ 29.401033

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Somali @ 6.784506


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese +25% Mota +25% Motala12 @ 1.296267


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 BedouinA + Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_ChL @ 0.000000
2 BedouinA + Hadza + Iran_ChL + WHG @ 0.000000
3 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian @ 0.000000
4 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.000000
5 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_F @ 0.422032
6 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_F + WHG @ 0.422032
7 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + SHG @ 0.481609
8 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian @ 0.488010
9 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.488010
10 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_LN + Jordanian @ 0.575826
11 Hadza + Iran_LN + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.575826
12 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_C @ 0.598981
13 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_C + WHG @ 0.598981
14 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + Motala12 @ 0.673160
15 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese @ 0.680161
16 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese + WHG @ 0.680161
17 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian @ 0.743273
18 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.743273
19 Kumyk + Libyan + Masai + SHG @ 0.778317
20 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Kurd_C + Palestinian @ 0.802877


hier is mijn kit number als je zelf testen wil doen ermee ofzo, Eurogenes en puntDNAL zijn de slechtste testen voor mij want die geven mij teveel europees lol.

Kit Num: M560080

Zal morgen even kijken. Sommige testen zijn speciaal ontwikkelt voor bepaalde volksstammen en regio's en zullen nogal vage resultaten leveren voor mensen die hier niet toe behoren. Persoonlijk zie ik niet direct veel Midden Oosterlijke invloeden in je profiel - ik zou je grotendeels Noordwest Europees schatten met ongeveer 25/35% SSA. Aangezien jij aardig gemixt bent, zul je de juiste keuzes moeten maken. Ben je al bij AncestryDNA getest? Als je daar Nederlandse matches hebt boven de 10 cM, dan weet je dat je Nederlandse voorouders hebt.

P.S. ik durf 10.000 euro te wedden dat je geen (recente) MENA voorouders hebt.

[Rgvgjhvv]

AncestryDNA for the Genetic Communities and GEDmatch. 23andme does well with Greeks, although you should look at other Greek (different regions + islands) results first to be able to tell most of them apart.

Maybe I will do Ancestry DNA in the near future, thanks!

[Congolese Rice]

Zal morgen even kijken. Sommige testen zijn speciaal ontwikkelt voor bepaalde volksstammen en regio's. Aangezien jij aardig gemixt bent, zul je de juiste keuzes moeten maken. Ben je al bij AncestryDNA getest?

ja, alleen AncestryDNA gaf mij 60% brits, 60-72%. dat klopt dus al helemaal niet lol, mijn vaders kant is niet zo brits. Ze zijn meerderdeels Duits, dan deels brits/iers/scots, dan ook deels Frans. ongv 12.5% ofzo, en dan misschien ook iets van Bosniers ofzo

Mijn moeders kant is ongv 42%+ West/centraal afrikaans. 4-8% Taino (caribbische indianen), ongv 12.5 nederlands, van zo'n ancestor die een Nederlandse surinamer was. (ik heb geen nederlands van me moeders kant geerft dus ja, not a dutch boy XD)

dan ook 8% berber/noord afrikaan ofzo, en dan houden wij ongv 29.5% over van hun afkomst. dat is dus waarschijnlijk mijn arabische. (ik had 8% opgeteld bij hun, het kan ook zijn dat ik maar 2% taino ben en dus meer arabisch ben maar het zal wel)

29.5+8 = 37.5 /2 = 18.75% arabisch van me moeders kant. het kan meer of minder zijn. waarschijnlijk heb ik ook wat arabisch van me vaders kant of het arabische is veel meer van me moeders kant, dat weet ik dus niet maarja.

je ziet wel morgen haha

[Chaos One]

Azul brother,

Thanks for your info. You know, being 10% North African at tests and everything makes me quench about Berber genetics and things like that. It's nice to see how the share between Red Sea/NE Africa is done and makes me think how weird my genetics are.

[Alessio]

ja, alleen AncestryDNA gaf mij 60% brits, 60-72%. dat klopt dus al helemaal niet lol, mijn vaders kant is niet zo brits. Ze zijn meerderdeels Duits, dan deels brits/iers/scots, dan ook deels Frans. ongv 12.5% ofzo, en dan misschien ook iets van Bosniers ofzo

Mijn moeders kant is ongv 42%+ West/centraal afrikaans. 4-8% Taino (caribbische indianen), ongv 12.5 nederlands, van zo'n ancestor die een Nederlandse surinamer was. (ik heb geen nederlands van me moeders kant geerft dus ja, not a dutch boy XD)

dan ook 8% berber/noord afrikaan ofzo, en dan houden wij ongv 29.5% over van hun afkomst. dat is dus waarschijnlijk mijn arabische. (ik had 8% opgeteld bij hun, het kan ook zijn dat ik maar 2% taino ben en dus meer arabisch ben maar het zal wel)

29.5+8 = 37.5 /2 = 18.75% arabisch van me moeders kant. het kan meer of minder zijn. waarschijnlijk heb ik ook wat arabisch van me vaders kant of het arabische is veel meer van me moeders kant, dat weet ik dus niet maarja.

je ziet wel morgen haha

Oh, je bent er nog niet zo mee bekend heb ik al door..
Ik geef je snel een paar termen waar je zelf meer over mag gaan lezen:

1. Volkswanderüng/Migrationperiod.
2. Anglo-Saxon invasion of GB.
3. Reference populations: hierover kan ik kort vertellen dat geen één commerciële test (deze komen doorgaans uit de VS) een referentiepopulatie heeft voor iets wat collectief 'Nederlanders' heet. Ik krijg ook altijd Brits/Iers, Duits etc. maar deze populaties kunnen collectief worden gelezen als ''Noordwest Europees'' (tevens als macroregio) en behoren allen tot de Germaanse volkeren; deze zijn nogal lastig van elkaar te onderscheiden door deze ADNA testen (hiervoor gebruik je IBD-matches en genetische genealogie).

[Congolese Rice]

Oh, je bent er nog niet zo mee bekend heb ik al door..
Ik geef je snel een paar termen waar je zelf meer over mag gaan lezen:

1. Volkswanderüng/Migrationperiod.
2. Anglo-Saxon invasion of GB.
3. Reference populations: hierover kan ik kort vertellen dat géén een commerciële test (deze komen doorgaan uit de VS) een referentiepopulatie heeft voor iets wat collectief 'Nederlanders' heet. Ik krijg ook altijd Brits/Iers, Duits etc. maar deze populaties kunnen collectief worden gelezen als ''Noordwest Europees'' (tevens als macroregio) en behoren allen tot de Germaanse volkeren; deze zijn nogal lastig van elkaar te onderscheiden door deze ADNA testen (hiervoor gebruik je IBD-matches en genetische genealogie).

well damn son, ik weet dat ik niet super slecht ben ofzo in deze genealogie business maar jij weet best wel veel xD

enigste wat mij tot nu toe nog interesseert is er achter komen hoe, waarom, en hoeveel mijn Arabische is. Ik had nooit verwacht dat ik dit zou scoren dus daarom ben ik gwn nieuwschierig waarom. Sommige testen geven mij veel MENA, andere testen geven mij maar 7% of 10% dus het kan zijn dat het Arabische op gedmatch in sommige testen in zo'n "Mediterranean" component word gezogen en dus je denkt dat je lager scoort waarschijnlijk.

bijvoorbeeld deze:

puntDNAL K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 35.52
2 West_Africa 23.92
3 SW_Europe 22.50
4 West_Asia 5.80
5 SW_Asia 4.22
6 SE_Asia 1.87
7 Americas 1.76
8 South_Africa 1.71
9 South_Asia 1.51


Finished reading population data. 191 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dominican @ 25.486609
2 Puerto_Rican @ 26.834307
3 Moldavian @ 28.505693
4 Slovene @ 29.566902
5 Bosnian @ 29.600252
6 Slovak @ 29.692087
7 Serbian @ 29.754356
8 Croatian @ 29.895393
9 Romanian @ 29.945375
10 Hungarian @ 30.011253
11 Montenegrin @ 30.658396
12 Utahn_European @ 30.962914
13 Tatar @ 31.000261
14 English @ 31.026283
15 German_South @ 31.059353
16 Belgian @ 31.208212
17 Bulgarian @ 31.292400
18 Macedonian @ 31.374960
19 German_North @ 31.527964
20 Ukrainian @ 31.620687

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +50% Fulani @ 6.994726


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +25% Mende +25% Puerto_Rican @ 3.223982


ik ben niet zo hispaans. het is maar 12.5-14% ofzo, niet 21% XD dat is veels te veel en onlogisch als je kijkt naar mijn genealogie.

[Not a Cop]

well damn son, ik weet dat ik niet super slecht ben ofzo in deze genealogie business maar jij weet best wel veel xD

enigste wat mij tot nu toe nog interesseert is er achter komen hoe, waarom, en hoeveel mijn Arabische is. Ik had nooit verwacht dat ik dit zou scoren dus daarom ben ik gwn nieuwschierig waarom. Sommige testen geven mij veel MENA, andere testen geven mij maar 7% of 10% dus het kan zijn dat het Arabische op gedmatch in sommige testen in zo'n "Mediterranean" component word gezogen en dus je denkt dat je lager scoort waarschijnlijk.

bijvoorbeeld deze:

puntDNAL K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 35.52
2 West_Africa 23.92
3 SW_Europe 22.50
4 West_Asia 5.80
5 SW_Asia 4.22
6 SE_Asia 1.87
7 Americas 1.76
8 South_Africa 1.71
9 South_Asia 1.51


Finished reading population data. 191 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dominican @ 25.486609
2 Puerto_Rican @ 26.834307
3 Moldavian @ 28.505693
4 Slovene @ 29.566902
5 Bosnian @ 29.600252
6 Slovak @ 29.692087
7 Serbian @ 29.754356
8 Croatian @ 29.895393
9 Romanian @ 29.945375
10 Hungarian @ 30.011253
11 Montenegrin @ 30.658396
12 Utahn_European @ 30.962914
13 Tatar @ 31.000261
14 English @ 31.026283
15 German_South @ 31.059353
16 Belgian @ 31.208212
17 Bulgarian @ 31.292400
18 Macedonian @ 31.374960
19 German_North @ 31.527964
20 Ukrainian @ 31.620687

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +50% Fulani @ 6.994726


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +25% Mende +25% Puerto_Rican @ 3.223982


ik ben niet zo hispaans. het is maar 12.5-14% ofzo, niet 21% XD dat is veels te veel en onlogisch als je kijkt naar mijn genealogie.

Dude, you don't have any significant arab going on, you're basicly 3\4 NW Euro, 1\4 Negro +- few percentages of dis and dat.

[Congolese Rice]

Dude, you don't have any significant arab going on, you're basicly 3\4 NW Euro, 1\4 Negro +- few percentages of dis and dat.

yes because 1 test determines my ancestry

xd

i obviously said before that puntDNAL and Eurogenes are the 2 calculators on gedmatch that are least accurate for my ethnicity. puntDNAL is better for europeans or homogenous people, just like eurogenes. here u go:


=====
Africa 9 dodecad: (a fairly accurate test for me)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Europe 46.71
2 SW_Asia 21.84
3 W_Africa 21.07
4 NW_Africa 5.17
5 S_Africa 2.20
6 San 1.83
7 Biaka 1.18


Finished reading population data. 54 populations found.
9 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Morocco_Jews @ 27.378761
2 North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 31.523413
3 Tuscan @ 32.231964
4 North_Italian @ 34.155674
5 Druze @ 39.301552
6 Egypt @ 39.909996
7 Jordanians @ 40.360577
8 Egyptans @ 42.036186
9 Yemenese @ 44.171303
10 Libya @ 46.390274
11 North_African_Dodecad @ 47.745167
12 Algeria @ 53.506958
13 Bedouin @ 57.382694
14 Morocco_N @ 59.759953
15 French_Basque @ 60.481731
16 Yemen_Jews @ 62.802704
17 Moroccans @ 63.570690
18 Morocco_S @ 63.636944
19 Luhya @ 64.830467
20 Bantu_N.E. @ 65.287796

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Fulani +50% Tuscan @ 19.305805


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews +25% North_Italian +25% Yoruba @ 5.560930


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Brong + French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.292991
2 French_Basque + Mandenka + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.523308
3 French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + Yoruba @ 2.658659
4 Brong + French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.698521
5 French_Basque + Igbo + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.975921
===========

gedrosia K6 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 30.45
2 Natufian 27.76
3 Sub_Saharan 23.28
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 14.74
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
6 East_Asian 1.34


Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moroccan @ 19.881178
2 Algerian @ 20.177343
3 Saharawi @ 23.123322
4 GoyetQ116 @ 26.824112
5 Libyan @ 26.871412
6 Bulgarian @ 27.774874
7 Hungarian @ 27.984194
8 Ukrainian @ 28.123915
9 Croatian @ 28.133266
10 Romanian @ 28.206146
11 Russian @ 28.245659
12 Spanish @ 28.378586
13 Steppe_MLBA @ 28.516495
14 Czech @ 28.744583
15 Scottish @ 28.818592
16 Norwegian @ 28.908331
17 English @ 28.919888
18 French @ 28.978497
19 Finnish @ 29.012388
20 Europe_LNBA @ 29.401033

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Somali @ 6.784506


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese +25% Mota +25% Motala12 @ 1.296267


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 BedouinA + Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_ChL @ 0.000000
2 BedouinA + Hadza + Iran_ChL + WHG @ 0.000000
3 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian @ 0.000000
4 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.000000
5 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_F @ 0.422032
6 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_F + WHG @ 0.422032
7 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + SHG @ 0.481609
8 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian @ 0.488010
9 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.488010
10 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_LN + Jordanian @ 0.575826
11 Hadza + Iran_LN + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.575826
12 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_C @ 0.598981
13 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_C + WHG @ 0.598981
14 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + Motala12 @ 0.673160

=======

Eurogenes K7 ANE YourDNAPortal:


Population Percentage
Sub Saharan 25.68%
Oceanian 0.30%
Amerindian 2.27%
Euro Hunter Gatherer 42.32%
Siberian 0.26%
South East Asian 1.46%
Near Eastern 27.70%

========

World9 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 51.00
2 African 25.69
3 Southern 9.89
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 8.60
5 Amerindian 2.22
6 South_Asian 1.17
7 East_Asian 1.05

=======

MyGenomeBox test:

35.75%
Africa

15.43%
South
Europe

14.89%
West
Europe

12.36%
North
Europe

11.46%
East
Europe

3.74%
East
Asia

3.07%
South
America

2.23%
Asia

1.07%
North
America



now u got me fucked up nigga xd dont tell me what i am because i know my ethnic breakdown

[Not a Cop]

yes because 1 test determines my ancestry

xd

i obviously said before that puntDNAL and Eurogenes are the 2 calculators on gedmatch that are least accurate for my ethnicity. puntDNAL is better for europeans or homogenous people, just like eurogenes. here u go:


=====
Africa 9 dodecad: (a fairly accurate test for me)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Europe 46.71
2 SW_Asia 21.84
3 W_Africa 21.07
4 NW_Africa 5.17
5 S_Africa 2.20
6 San 1.83
7 Biaka 1.18


Finished reading population data. 54 populations found.
9 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Morocco_Jews @ 27.378761
2 North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 31.523413
3 Tuscan @ 32.231964
4 North_Italian @ 34.155674
5 Druze @ 39.301552
6 Egypt @ 39.909996
7 Jordanians @ 40.360577
8 Egyptans @ 42.036186
9 Yemenese @ 44.171303
10 Libya @ 46.390274
11 North_African_Dodecad @ 47.745167
12 Algeria @ 53.506958
13 Bedouin @ 57.382694
14 Morocco_N @ 59.759953
15 French_Basque @ 60.481731
16 Yemen_Jews @ 62.802704
17 Moroccans @ 63.570690
18 Morocco_S @ 63.636944
19 Luhya @ 64.830467
20 Bantu_N.E. @ 65.287796

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Fulani +50% Tuscan @ 19.305805


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews +25% North_Italian +25% Yoruba @ 5.560930


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Brong + French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.292991
2 French_Basque + Mandenka + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.523308
3 French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + Yoruba @ 2.658659
4 Brong + French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.698521
5 French_Basque + Igbo + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.975921
===========

gedrosia K6 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 30.45
2 Natufian 27.76
3 Sub_Saharan 23.28
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 14.74
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
6 East_Asian 1.34


Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moroccan @ 19.881178
2 Algerian @ 20.177343
3 Saharawi @ 23.123322
4 GoyetQ116 @ 26.824112
5 Libyan @ 26.871412
6 Bulgarian @ 27.774874
7 Hungarian @ 27.984194
8 Ukrainian @ 28.123915
9 Croatian @ 28.133266
10 Romanian @ 28.206146
11 Russian @ 28.245659
12 Spanish @ 28.378586
13 Steppe_MLBA @ 28.516495
14 Czech @ 28.744583
15 Scottish @ 28.818592
16 Norwegian @ 28.908331
17 English @ 28.919888
18 French @ 28.978497
19 Finnish @ 29.012388
20 Europe_LNBA @ 29.401033

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Somali @ 6.784506


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese +25% Mota +25% Motala12 @ 1.296267


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 BedouinA + Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_ChL @ 0.000000
2 BedouinA + Hadza + Iran_ChL + WHG @ 0.000000
3 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian @ 0.000000
4 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.000000
5 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_F @ 0.422032
6 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_F + WHG @ 0.422032
7 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + SHG @ 0.481609
8 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian @ 0.488010
9 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.488010
10 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_LN + Jordanian @ 0.575826
11 Hadza + Iran_LN + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.575826
12 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_C @ 0.598981
13 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_C + WHG @ 0.598981
14 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + Motala12 @ 0.673160

=======

Eurogenes K7 ANE YourDNAPortal:


Population Percentage
Sub Saharan 25.68%
Oceanian 0.30%
Amerindian 2.27%
Euro Hunter Gatherer 42.32%
Siberian 0.26%
South East Asian 1.46%
Near Eastern 27.70%

========

World9 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 51.00
2 African 25.69
3 Southern 9.89
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 8.60
5 Amerindian 2.22
6 South_Asian 1.17
7 East_Asian 1.05

=======

MyGenomeBox test:

35.75%
Africa

15.43%
South
Europe

14.89%
West
Europe

12.36%
North
Europe

11.46%
East
Europe

3.74%
East
Asia

3.07%
South
America

2.23%
Asia

1.07%
North
America



now u got me fucked up nigga xd dont tell me what i am because i know my ethnic breakdown

Well you are free to belive what ever you want, but you are using low K calcs, which will put you into Maghreb category, due to low K similarity - F.E. all of European admix is counted as single component, not separating East, West, North or South components, and since you're mixed higher K tools would be better for you.

Go check your Eurogenes or Mdlp reulst, you have basicly no Near-Eastern components.

[Congolese Rice]

Well you are free to belive what ever you want, but you are using low K calcs, which will put you into Maghreb category, due to low K similarity - F.E. all of European admix is counted as single component, not separating East, West, North or South components, and since you're mixed higher K tools would be better for you.

Go check your Eurogenes or Mdlp reulst, you have basicly no Near-Eastern components.

boi u aint know shit about my genetic breakdown xd after a entire year of researching my own breakdown i can say that high k calculators are shit for me, they usually overestimate or underestimate my african, largely overestimate my european, and kill my arab percentages.

let me tell you it's impossible for me to be 75%+ european because there is not that much european in my mom's side of the family, and my dad's family is most likely also part Moor/Berber as they have a very swarthy ancestor from france.

You are also free to believe what you want but what your saying is retarded as fuck lmao


you are one of those people that believe just because 1 test result says this it must be true. Fun fact eurogenes is not good for mixed people, neither is puntDNAL. and neither is many of Gedmatch.


here you go my friend as proof:


78294


78295


78296

niggas dumb as hell on this forum

[Asheffar]

You dont look North African at all.

He looks algerian,kabyle idk

[Congolese Rice]

He looks algerian,kabyle idk

jup i agree xd ppl always expect berbers to be these swarthy ass mothafuckas with strong SSA features, tuareg scarfs wrapped around their heads. and black pseudo-mongoloid eyes. isnt always true.

[Asheffar]

jup i agree xd ppl always expect berbers to be these swarthy ass mothafuckas with strong SSA features, tuareg scarfs wrapped around their heads. and black pseudo-mongoloid eyes. isnt always true.

This guy screams North African,he even scores up to 70% NA and you still have people saying he looks half-Spanish/he looks whiter than most North Africans. When in fact the truth is he is more north african genetically than the ssa looking ones

[Congolese Rice]

This guy screams North African,he even scores up to 70% NA and you still have people saying he looks half-Spanish/he looks whiter than most North Africans. When in fact the truth is he is more north african genetically than the ssa looking ones

true asf, people dont know what berbers look like.


Berbers are a mediterranid people, and just like iberians, italians, and any other mediterranean group they can be olive/dark, light, lighter pigmented, have brown hair, blue eyes, blonde hair, pure black hair, dark brown eyes, medium brown skin, etc. Berbers are just as diverse as any other caucasoid group.

goes to show how bad some people on this forum are at classifying, thats why i usually only believe the opinions of Maghrebi's and Arabs when i ask what my phenotype is in taxonomy threads, most americans are super biased and have no knowledge on what populations look like lmao

[Alessio]

Sws een significant deel van jouw Noordwest Europese score komt van Nederlandse voorouders. Ik zie dit zelfs al in 1 oogopslag als ik naar jouw matches kijk in de one-to-many functie in GEDmatch. Boven de 15 cM is al serieus IBD, en jouw top 10 zit vol met Nederlandse achternamen.. Je hoeft je niet te schamen hoor voor Nederlandse voorouders, aangezien Nederland als klein land meer heeft bereikt als heel West Afrika bij elkaar, al weet ik dat het onder jongeren 'in' is om allochtoon te zijn.

Je kunt Sikeliot vragen om naar jouw kitnummer te kijken, aangezien hij meer ervaring heeft met Kaapverdische en andere soortgelijke SSA beïnvloede populaties. Jij hebt overduidelijk geen Zuid Europese achtergrond en ook geen Arabische invloeden; hiervoor is jouw West Asian en Red Sea score veel te laag. Die van mij is vele malen hoger als die van jou en ik ben half Nederlands/Noordwest Europees en half Zuid Italiaans.

Laat me raden, AncestryDNA heeft voor jou Nederland als Genetic Community?



well damn son, ik weet dat ik niet super slecht ben ofzo in deze genealogie business maar jij weet best wel veel xD

enigste wat mij tot nu toe nog interesseert is er achter komen hoe, waarom, en hoeveel mijn Arabische is. Ik had nooit verwacht dat ik dit zou scoren dus daarom ben ik gwn nieuwschierig waarom. Sommige testen geven mij veel MENA, andere testen geven mij maar 7% of 10% dus het kan zijn dat het Arabische op gedmatch in sommige testen in zo'n "Mediterranean" component word gezogen en dus je denkt dat je lager scoort waarschijnlijk.

bijvoorbeeld deze:

puntDNAL K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 35.52
2 West_Africa 23.92
3 SW_Europe 22.50
4 West_Asia 5.80
5 SW_Asia 4.22
6 SE_Asia 1.87
7 Americas 1.76
8 South_Africa 1.71
9 South_Asia 1.51


Finished reading population data. 191 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dominican @ 25.486609
2 Puerto_Rican @ 26.834307
3 Moldavian @ 28.505693
4 Slovene @ 29.566902
5 Bosnian @ 29.600252
6 Slovak @ 29.692087
7 Serbian @ 29.754356
8 Croatian @ 29.895393
9 Romanian @ 29.945375
10 Hungarian @ 30.011253
11 Montenegrin @ 30.658396
12 Utahn_European @ 30.962914
13 Tatar @ 31.000261
14 English @ 31.026283
15 German_South @ 31.059353
16 Belgian @ 31.208212
17 Bulgarian @ 31.292400
18 Macedonian @ 31.374960
19 German_North @ 31.527964
20 Ukrainian @ 31.620687

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +50% Fulani @ 6.994726


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +25% Mende +25% Puerto_Rican @ 3.223982


ik ben niet zo hispaans. het is maar 12.5-14% ofzo, niet 21% XD dat is veels te veel en onlogisch als je kijkt naar mijn genealogie.

[Congolese Rice]

Sws een significant deel van jouw Noordwest Europese score komt van Nederlandse voorouders. Ik zie dit zelfs al in 1 oogopslag als ik naar jouw matches kijk in de one-to-many functie in GEDmatch. Boven de 15 cM is al serieus IBD, en jouw top 10 zit vol met Nederlandse achternamen.. Je hoeft je niet te schamen hoor voor Nederlandse voorouders, aangezien Nederland als klein land meer heeft bereikt als heel West Afrika bij elkaar, al weet ik dat het onder jongeren 'in' is om allochtoon te zijn.

Je kunt Sikeliot vragen om naar jouw kitnummer te kijken, aangezien hij meer ervaring heeft met Kaapverdische en andere soortgelijke SSA beïnvloede populaties. Jij hebt overduidelijk geen Zuid Europese achtergrond en ook geen Arabische invloeden; hiervoor is jouw West Asian en Red Sea score veel te laag. Die van mij is vele malen hoger als die van jou en ik ben half Nederlands/Noordwest Europees en half Zuid Italiaans.

tja, alsnog. Ik heb zeker een reden om sommige testen op gedmatch als incorrect te duiden omdat het gwn zo is. Er iz zeker wel arabische invloed in mij maar niet elke test pakt dat op, simpel als dat.

Ik heb hier bewijsstukken dat ik wel midden oosters in mijn DNA heb alleen meeste testen zijn niet "accurate" for mij, zoals een expert genealogist "Doug McDonald" ook tegen mij heeft gezegt.

neem de namen van die links niet te serieus by the way, ik had deze zo opgeslagen om zo'n andere guy te bewijsen dat het wel zo is, tis gwn raar dat mensen uit 1, 1 focking test gaan concluderen dat ik geen zuid europees en arabisch heb. dat is gewoon raar.

78320

^ mijn chromosome painting ofzo

78321

^ de map die Doug McDonald mij heeft geven (mijn midden oosters is niet compleet berbers anders had ik het wel geweten)

78322

^ waar ik het dichtste bij "cluster"


zoals je duidelijk kan zien lol, en je hoeft daar voor geen expert te zijn, er is duidelijk arabisch in mijn genen. gedmatch verandert daar niks aan, meeste testen op die website zijn gwn schijt voor mij.

dit is what hij ook heeft gezegt:



This is a difficult file. The African part is not clear, but is mostly western, probably somewhere near Nigeria.

Neither is the Euro clear at all. It is about 2% Native American


and THOSE ARE NOT RELIABLE! The “Mideast” on the chromosomes seems to actually be
either East coast Africa (Ethiopis) or north African.

I doubt if ANY systen current can do a really reliable job for you.

Doug McDonald

===========

I tried more custom fits. I can only get Italian of any sort if I completely
exclude Ethiopian and force in some
American. Then
I get this:


USA_East 0.0230 Mozabite 0.0620 English 0.6704 Yoruba 0.2446 or
USA_East 0.0230 Mozabite 0.0681 Germany 0.6653 Yoruba 0.2436 or
USA_East 0.0230 Moroccan 0.0603 English 0.6715 Yoruba 0.2453 or
USA_East 0.0230 Spain 0.2004 English 0.5191 Yoruba 0.2575 or
USA_East 0.0230 Italian 0.1666 English 0.5508 Yoruba 0.2596 or
USA_East 0.0230 English 0.7037 Bantu_Kenya 0.1616 Mandenka 0.1118 or
USA_East 0.0230 Sicily 0.0936 English 0.6265 Yoruba 0.2569 or
USA_East 0.0230 Spain 0.3241 Irish 0.3986 Yoruba 0.2543 or
USA_East 0.0230 Cypriot 0.0700 English 0.6488 Yoruba 0.2581 or
USA_East 0.0230 Tuscan 0.1183 English 0.5995 Yoruba 0.2592 or
USA_East 0.0230 Moroccan 0.0614 Germany 0.6700 Yoruba 0.2457 or
USA_East 0.0230 Italian 0.2816 Irish 0.4379 Yoruba 0.2575

where Italian means NORTHERN Italy. These do fit nicely.

Once again ... all this means that NO DNA FIT can be considered as reliable
in an exact way.


In actual fact, I think your African part is mostly western with some of EITHER North
Africa or East Africa.


^ en dat is hoe ik heb geconcludeerd dat mijn 25% afrikaans 4% berbers is want hij zei dat ik ongv 21% west afrikaan ben, en uit mijn chromosome painting heb ik gehaald dat ik wel zeker afkomst vandaar heb.


ik ga niet zomaar op een forum zeggen dat ik 1/3rde arabier ben als ik niet eens concreet bewijs heb. ik heb me hier sws een jaar mee bezig gehouden en als je kijkt naar meeste testen dan scoor ik alsnog hoog arabisch. alleen niet op eurogenes en puntDNAL, die dus niet goed voor mij zijn, zoals Doug McDonald ook heeft gezegt. Kijk maar naar mijn Eurogenes K13 resultaten, die oracle distances op die 4th population approx. zijn facking hoog lol. 6-7 oracle distance is te hoog om concreet bewijs te zijn.


dus als jullie willen bewijzen dat ik geen arabisch heb kom met wat beters zoals concreet bewijs en feiten dan pas geloof ik t xd


en p.s, ik hoef geen allochtoon te zijn. ik ben een buitenlander en dat is een feit xD ik ben maar 42-55% europeens van afkomst en een groot deel is zeker niet nederlands, als mijn moeders kant maar 12.5% nederlands is kan ik niet meerderdeels nederlands zijn, misschien maar ongv 6%. mijn vaders kant heeft ook geen afkomst uit nederland. dus dat klopt in iedergeval niet, maar ik zou zeker wel matches met hun hebben ja want er is waarschijnlijk wel wat nederlands in mijn DNA lol

en nee, duitsland, luxemburg, en belgie. waarschijnlijk duitsland als genetic community.

[Alessio]

Dude, you don't have any significant arab going on, you're basicly 3\4 NW Euro, 1\4 Negro +- few percentages of dis and dat.

Exactly this.

[Peterski]

You dont look North African at all.

I've been to North Africa including Berber ksar Chenini in Tunisia.

Many Berbers look like him. But Arab North Africans look different.

[Congolese Rice]

Exactly this.

ok lol, geloof dat maar mij boeit het toch niet. ik weet dat ik gelijk heb en ik hoef jullie niet anders te bewijzen.


als jij testen gaat gebruiken die accuraat voor jouw en meer "homogenous" mensen zijn natuurlijk gaat mijn resultaat raar zijn.

besides mij boeit t niet, elke test zegt voor mij wat anders. MyHeritage zegt iets anders. DNA.LAND is heel anders dan bijde, MyGenomeBox is anders, YourDNAPortal is anders. alleen met ancestryDNA en een paar gedmatch matches en testen ga je me niks wijs maken lmao

[Catarinense1998]

I've been to North Africa including Berber ksar Chenini in Tunisia.

Many Berbers look like him. But Arab North Africans look different.

I'm was wrong about him.My mind image about north afrcians is a brown skinned person with SSA traits.Sorry, it was my mistake.I searched for tunisians, argelians in google and I found a lot of people with similiar traits like him.

[Congolese Rice]

ok lol, geloof dat maar mij boeit het toch niet. ik weet dat ik gelijk heb en ik hoef jullie niet anders te bewijzen.


als jij testen gaat gebruiken die accuraat voor jouw en meer "homogenous" mensen zijn natuurlijk gaat mijn resultaat raar zijn.

besides mij boeit t niet, elke test zegt voor mij wat anders. MyHeritage zegt iets anders. DNA.LAND is heel anders dan bijde, MyGenomeBox is anders, YourDNAPortal is anders. alleen met ancestryDNA en een paar gedmatch matches en testen ga je me niks wijs maken lmao



ja jullie hebben gelijk :) sure you do


zoals ik eerder al zei het boeit mij niet als jullie niet met concreet bewijs komen, ik ga een paar nederlandse DNA matches. 1 puntDNAL test, en eurogenes test niet serieus nemen vergeleken duizenden andere testen.

alleen omdat puntDNAL voor jou goed is wil niet eens zeggen dat het voor mij ook goed is. jou DNA is niks het zelfde vergeleken met mij dus daarom zijn andere testen beter voor mij dan andere. jullie kunnen koppig blijven ik lig er niet wakker van ik weet toch ik heb gelijk daarin lmao.

[Congolese Rice]

Exactly this.

deze voor jullie moeder lees maar leees kaulo dombos

=====


Gedrosia K12 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 27.71
2 EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 24.79
3 SUB_SAHARAN 23.56
4 CAUCASUS 8.63
5 SW_ASIAN 5.09
6 BALOCHI 3.96
7 E_AFRICAN 2.23
8 S_INDIAN 1.81
9 E_SIBERIAN 1.09


Finished reading population data. 87 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek @ 34.219196
2 Norwegian @ 36.381535
3 Sicilian @ 37.193859
4 Turks_Istanbul @ 40.075687
5 Russian @ 41.206917
6 Turkmen_Afghan @ 41.296894
7 Uzbek @ 41.709469
8 Turks_Aydin @ 41.990959
9 Turks_Balikesir @ 43.604202
10 Tajik_Pomiri @ 44.808521
11 Kurds_C @ 45.098789
12 Finnish @ 45.211155
13 Kurds_N @ 45.991249
14 Tajik_Afghan @ 46.464764
15 Iraqi_Arab_Baghdad @ 46.733707
16 Uzbek_Afghan @ 46.897259
17 Turks_Adana @ 47.049088
18 Kurds_F @ 47.279957
19 Estonian @ 48.021648
20 Kurds_E @ 48.111187

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Finnish +50% Iraqi_Arab_Baghdad @ 27.064121


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Turks_Istanbul +25% Yoruba @ 5.212138


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 BA_Sintashta + Kurds_F + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.167013
2 Corded_Ware_LN + Kurds_F + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.167013
3 BA_Sintashta + Esan + Kurds_F + Sardinian @ 4.181566
4 Corded_Ware_LN + Esan + Kurds_F + Sardinian @ 4.181566
5 BA_Sintashta + Kurds_C + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.418146
6 Corded_Ware_LN + Kurds_C + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.418146
7 BA_Sintashta + Esan + Kurds_C + Sardinian @ 4.431383
8 Corded_Ware_LN + Esan + Kurds_C + Sardinian @ 4.431383
9 BA_Sintashta + Iranian + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.469152
10 Corded_Ware_LN + Iranian + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.469152
11 BA_Sintashta + Esan + Iranian + Sardinian @ 4.483259
12 Corded_Ware_LN + Esan + Iranian + Sardinian @ 4.483259
13 BA_Sintashta + Kurds_N + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.641801
14 Corded_Ware_LN + Kurds_N + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.641801
15 BA_Sintashta + Esan + Kurds_N + Sardinian @ 4.655050
16 Corded_Ware_LN + Esan + Kurds_N + Sardinian @ 4.655050
17 BA_Sintashta + Kurds_E + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.735190
18 Corded_Ware_LN + Kurds_E + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.735190
19 BA_Sintashta + Esan + Kurds_E + Sardinian @ 4.747951
20 Corded_Ware_LN + Esan + Kurds_E + Sardinian @ 4.747951
=========

World9 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 51.00
2 African 25.69
3 Southern 9.89
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 8.60
5 Amerindian 2.22
6 South_Asian 1.17
7 East_Asian 1.05


Finished reading population data. 250 populations found.
9 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 PUR30 @ 21.669155
2 Puerto_Rican @ 22.433193
3 Brazilian_Dodecad @ 25.210340
4 Dominican @ 27.945721
5 Romanians_Behar @ 31.003141
6 Extremadura_1000 Genomes @ 31.430727
7 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 31.541395
8 Canarias_1000 Genomes @ 31.571606
9 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 31.618629
10 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 31.808084
11 Hungarians_Behar @ 31.983232
12 Galicia_1000 Genomes @ 32.182503
13 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 32.335743
14 Murcia_1000 Genomes @ 32.483116
15 Baleares_1000 Genomes @ 32.550945
16 Andalucia_1000 Genomes @ 32.563145
17 Spaniards_Behar @ 32.835537
18 French_HGDP @ 32.920883
19 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000 Genomes @ 32.979599
20 North_Italian_HGDP @ 32.980614

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dominican +50% Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 6.056516


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Polish_Dodecad +25% San_He +25% PUR30 @ 1.695446

===========


Africa9 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Europe 46.71
2 SW_Asia 21.84
3 W_Africa 21.07
4 NW_Africa 5.17
5 S_Africa 2.20
6 San 1.83
7 Biaka 1.18


Finished reading population data. 54 populations found.
9 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Morocco_Jews @ 27.378761
2 North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 31.523413
3 Tuscan @ 32.231964
4 North_Italian @ 34.155674
5 Druze @ 39.301552
6 Egypt @ 39.909996
7 Jordanians @ 40.360577
8 Egyptans @ 42.036186
9 Yemenese @ 44.171303
10 Libya @ 46.390274
11 North_African_Dodecad @ 47.745167
12 Algeria @ 53.506958
13 Bedouin @ 57.382694
14 Morocco_N @ 59.759953
15 French_Basque @ 60.481731
16 Yemen_Jews @ 62.802704
17 Moroccans @ 63.570690
18 Morocco_S @ 63.636944
19 Luhya @ 64.830467
20 Bantu_N.E. @ 65.287796

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Fulani +50% Tuscan @ 19.305805


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews +25% North_Italian +25% Yoruba @ 5.560930

===========

Dodecad K7b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 51.63
2 African 26.20
3 Southern 9.37
4 West_Asian 8.78
5 East_Asian 1.56
6 South_Asian 1.36
7 Siberian 1.11

=======

MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Subsaharian 25.41
2 NorthEastEuropean 18.99
3 Neolithic 17.47
4 Steppe 17.21
5 Caucasian 15.65
6 NearEast 2.54
7 Amerindian 1.29


====

ik neem t jullie niet serieus, jullie weten niet beter g lmao

[Alessio]

Ja, het is ook lastig hoor moet ik toegeven, maar je kan bepaalde componenten gewoon meten door het te vergelijken met andere populaties. Jij hebt gewoon overduidelijk geen ''pull'' naar het Nabije Oosten. Mijn voorouders uit het Nabije Oosten leefden duizenden jaren terug en alsnog is het gemakkelijk op te vangen. Ik ben trouwens niet zo 'homogeen' hoor, aangezien ik ook verdeeld ben over 2 populaties die geen genetisch verkeer hebben gehad voor 2500+ jaar.


ok lol, geloof dat maar mij boeit het toch niet. ik weet dat ik gelijk heb en ik hoef jullie niet anders te bewijzen.


als jij testen gaat gebruiken die accuraat voor jouw en meer "homogenous" mensen zijn natuurlijk gaat mijn resultaat raar zijn.

besides mij boeit t niet, elke test zegt voor mij wat anders. MyHeritage zegt iets anders. DNA.LAND is heel anders dan bijde, MyGenomeBox is anders, YourDNAPortal is anders. alleen met ancestryDNA en een paar gedmatch matches en testen ga je me niks wijs maken lmao

[Congolese Rice]

Ja, het is ook lastig hoor moet ik toegeven, maar je kan bepaalde componenten gewoon meten door het te vergelijken met andere populaties. Jij hebt gewoon overduidelijk geen ''pull'' naar het Nabije Oosten. Mijn voorouders uit het Nabije Oosten leefden duizenden jaren terug en alsnog is het gemakkelijk op te vangen. Ik ben trouwens niet zo 'homogeen' hoor, aangezien ik ook verdeeld ben over 2 populaties die geen genetisch verkeer hebben gehad voor 2500+ jaar.

aight thalla

[Alessio]

Ja, het is ook lastig hoor moet ik toegeven, maar je kan bepaalde componenten gewoon meten door het te vergelijken met andere populaties. Eigenlijk kan je alleen de drie grote bedrijven + GEDmatch (23andme, AncestryDNA, FTDNA) met veel ervaring serieus nemen, maar je moet je wel verdiepen in hoe zij bij deze resultaten komen. Jij hebt gewoon overduidelijk geen ''pull'' naar het Nabije Oosten en je bulkt van de Nederlandse matches (dit zijn IBD-matches dus hier deel je voorouders mee). Mijn voorouders uit het Nabije Oosten leefden duizenden jaren terug en alsnog is het gemakkelijk op te vangen (het zit ingebakken in ons DNA). Ik ben trouwens niet zo 'homogeen' hoor, aangezien ik ook verdeeld ben over 2 populaties die geen genetisch verkeer hebben gehad voor 2500+ jaar.

Toch vind ik het bijzonder dat je überhaupt Noord-Afrikaans wilt zijn..De Antillianen die ik heb gekend hadden een bloedhekel aan Mokros.


ok lol, geloof dat maar mij boeit het toch niet. ik weet dat ik gelijk heb en ik hoef jullie niet anders te bewijzen.


als jij testen gaat gebruiken die accuraat voor jouw en meer "homogenous" mensen zijn natuurlijk gaat mijn resultaat raar zijn.

besides mij boeit t niet, elke test zegt voor mij wat anders. MyHeritage zegt iets anders. DNA.LAND is heel anders dan bijde, MyGenomeBox is anders, YourDNAPortal is anders. alleen met ancestryDNA en een paar gedmatch matches en testen ga je me niks wijs maken lmao

[Congolese Rice]

Ja, het is ook lastig hoor moet ik toegeven, maar je kan bepaalde componenten gewoon meten door het te vergelijken met andere populaties. Eigenlijk kan je alleen de drie grote bedrijven + GEDmatch (23andme, AncestryDNA, FTDNA) met veel ervaring serieus nemen, maar je moet je wel verdiepen in hoe zij bij deze resultaten komen. Jij hebt gewoon overduidelijk geen ''pull'' naar het Nabije Oosten en je bulkt van de Nederlandse matches (dit zijn IBD-matches dus hier deel je voorouders mee). Mijn voorouders uit het Nabije Oosten leefden duizenden jaren terug en alsnog is het gemakkelijk op te vangen. Ik ben trouwens niet zo 'homogeen' hoor, aangezien ik ook verdeeld ben over 2 populaties die geen genetisch verkeer hebben gehad voor 2500+ jaar.

Toch vind ik het bijzonder dat je überhaupt Noord-Afrikaans wilt zijn..De Antillianen die ik heb gekend hadden een bloedhekel aan Mokros.

"wilt zijn"


wat de fuck zeg jij man xd jij en die andere kneus gaan direct conclusies trekken uit 1 facking test. als je mij iets wijs wil maken kom met bewijs en niet het zelfde domme verhaal.

ik heb geen zin in bullshit dus als je lekker koppig blijft OOK nadat ik jouw die bewijs heb gegeven moet je zelf weten g. ik ga geen takkies meer met jou houden want je maakt me hoofd heet met je domme shit

[Alessio]

Ja, precies dat is niet zo handig met dit warme weer. Heb er zovele gezien, en vele kitnummers vergeleken, maar heb er nooit zover nagezeten dat ik Noordwest Europees niet kan onderscheiden van MENA..Dit is echt extreem simpel, daarom zegt iedereen (met ervaring) dit jou ook op dit forum .Je wilt het één benadrukken over het ander en bent dus bevooroordeeld bezig in voordeel van jouw persoonlijke voorkeuren (MENA tegenover Noordwest Europees) en dit lijkt te suggereren dat je op irrationele wijze het een boven het ander stelt, vandaar dat ik zei ''wilt zijn''. Dit bevestig je verder door over te gaan op ''straattaal-modus'' dus het niveau daalt dramatisch. Ik wens je veel succes met je identiteitscrisis, taki taki, heethoofd bakki.


"wilt zijn"


wat de fuck zeg jij man xd jij en die andere kneus gaan direct conclusies trekken uit 1 facking test. als je mij iets wijs wil maken kom met bewijs en niet het zelfde domme verhaal.

ik heb geen zin in bullshit dus als je lekker koppig blijft OOK nadat ik jouw die bewijs heb gegeven moet je zelf weten g. ik ga geen takkies meer met jou houden want je maakt me hoofd heet met je domme shit

[Congolese Rice]

Ja, precies dat is niet zo handig met dit warme weer. Heb er zovele gezien, en vele kitnummers vergeleken, maar heb er nooit zover nagezeten dat ik Noordwest Europees niet kan onderscheiden van MENA..Dit is echt extreem simpel, daarom zegt iedereen (met ervaring) dit jou ook op dit forum.Je wilt het één benadrukken over het ander en bent dus bevooroordeeld bezig in voordeel van jouw persoonlijke voorkeuren (MENA tegenover Noordwest Europees) en dit lijkt nogal op favoritisme, vandaar dat ik zei ''wilt zijn''. Je gaat al over op de ''straattaal-modus'' dus het niveau daalt dramatisch. Ik wens je veel succes met je identiteitscrisis, taki taki.

lmao, jij bent echt een sukkel xd ik heb geen persoonlijke voorkeuren, als ik werkelijk meer europees was dan arabisch dan zou het mij geen reet uitmaken, maar jij spreekt bullshit en daar ben ik niet van gedient. geen identiteitcrisis want ik weet wat ik ben.

en "iedereen" zijn jij en zo'n andere sukkeltje zoals jezelf. niemand anders zegt dit omdat het niet zo is, jij praat net als je denkt dat je een professor bent ofzo, toch helaas is Doug McDonald een meer betrouwbare bron dan jij en zo'n andere stumper op deze forum. Ik geef jou 10 tallen resultaten en toch blijf je bij het zelfde hangen en zeg je dat ik arabier wil zijn en dat ik identiteitscrisis heb. wie de fak denk jij wie je bent lol?


jij denkt jij bent expert over mijn genome en toch heb je maar een paar testen op gedmatch gedaan en blijf je daar bij hangen. die Doug McDonald zei ook dat Dodecad de beste keuze zou zijn voor mij. ik stuur je dodecad testen, je blijft een mongooltje.

geloof me als ik meer europees zou zijn dan dat ik dacht dan zou ik het allang geweten hebben en dan zou ik niet eens er op ingegaan zijn omdat ik dan wist dat jij gelijk had als dat het geval was.

Het is niet mogelijk om voor mij 75% europees te zijn, dat wil zeggen dat mijn moeders kant letterlijk HALF europees is, en ze hebben alleen maar 1 europeze ancestor. jij weet niks g ga niet praten als of je einstein bent want je weet dat je ongelijk hebt


fijne dag pindew macamba

[Alessio]

1 woord en daar is het mee gezegd ''slavernij''.. harde realiteit, moeilijk slikken.. NW Europees en SSA is kinderspel om te onderscheiden van elkaar. 'Arabisch' bevat doorgaan ook vaak relatief veel SSA, maar veel meer West Asian en Red Sea - deze schijn jij totaal niet te hebben, gelijkwaardig aan populaties in het Noordwesten en zelfs centrale gedeelte van Europa. Als we nou zouden redetwisten over of je over-over-overgrootvader deels Pools was oké, maar dit is echt kinderspel en overduidelijk. 75% zou ik zelf ook niet zeggen, maar eerder 68/72%.

Mc Donald heb ik 7 jaar geleden aardig wat e-mails mee gewisseld en hij heeft gelijk wat betreft Dodecad en ''mixed-race individuals'' (veel samples wereldwijd, werkt ook goed voor mijn vriendin). Een tip van mij tot jou! Ga naar Anthrogenica en post daar je kitnummer en vraag wat de mensen daar vinden :) Eigenlijk moet ik je dit niet eens gunnen aangezien je een grote mond opzet, maar goed je bent nog jong en jonge mensen maken nou eenmaal foutjes hé.


lmao, jij bent echt een sukkel xd ik heb geen persoonlijke voorkeuren, als ik werkelijk meer europees was dan arabisch dan zou het mij geen reet uitmaken, maar jij spreekt bullshit en daar ben ik niet van gedient. geen identiteitcrisis want ik weet wat ik ben.

en "iedereen" zijn jij en zo'n andere sukkeltje zoals jezelf. niemand anders zegt dit omdat het niet zo is, jij praat net als je denkt dat je een professor bent ofzo, toch helaas is Doug McDonald een meer betrouwbare bron dan jij en zo'n andere stumper op deze forum. Ik geef jou 10 tallen resultaten en toch blijf je bij het zelfde hangen en zeg je dat ik arabier wil zijn en dat ik identiteitscrisis heb. wie de fak denk jij wie je bent lol?


jij denkt jij bent expert over mijn genome en toch heb je maar een paar testen op gedmatch gedaan en blijf je daar bij hangen. die Doug McDonald zei ook dat Dodecad de beste keuze zou zijn voor mij. ik stuur je dodecad testen, je blijft een mongooltje.

geloof me als ik meer europees zou zijn dan dat ik dacht dan zou ik het allang geweten hebben en dan zou ik niet eens er op ingegaan zijn omdat ik dan wist dat jij gelijk had als dat het geval was.

Het is niet mogelijk om voor mij 75% europees te zijn, dat wil zeggen dat mijn moeders kant letterlijk HALF europees is, en ze hebben alleen maar 1 europeze ancestor. jij weet niks g ga niet praten als of je einstein bent want je weet dat je ongelijk hebt


fijne dag pindew macamba

[Congolese Rice]

1 woord en daar is het mee gezegd ''slavernij''.. harde realiteit, moeilijk slikken.. NW Europees en SSA is kinderspel om te onderscheiden van elkaar. 'Arabisch' bevat doorgaan ook vaak relatief veel SSA, maar veel meer West Asian en Red Sea - deze schijn jij totaal niet te hebben, gelijkwaardig aan populaties in het Noordwesten en zelfs centrale gedeelte van Europa. Als we nou zouden redetwisten over of je over-over-overgrootvader deels Pools was oké, maar dit is echt kinderspel en overduidelijk.

Mc Donald heb ik 7 jaar geleden aardig wat e-mails mee gewisseld en hij heeft gelijk wat betreft Dodecad en ''mixed race individuals'' (veel samples wereldwijd, werkt ook goed voor mijn vriendin). Een tip van mij tot jou! Ga naar Anthrogenica en post daar je kitnummer en vraag wat de mensen daar vinden :) Eigenlijk moet ik je dit niet eens gunnen aangezien je een grote mond opzet, maar goed je bent nog jong en jonge mensen maken nou eenmaal foutjes hé.

ja idd, europees en afrikaan kun je easy van elkaar onderscheiden omdat het een ander soort is lmao.

Europees = Caucasoid, Arabisch = Caucasoid, Afrikaans = Negroide

and no shit, tuurlijk ben ik een afkomsteling van de slaven dat is niks nieuws voor mij. maar volgens mij ken ik mijn eigen genealogie beter dan jij. Als ik zeg dat in mijn moeders familie het letterlijk onmogelijk is om meer dan 40% europees te zijn is het ook zo. hoe scoor ik anders 51% europees op dodecad? 46% europees op africa9? 42% europees op eurogenes K7? 54% europees op MyGenomeBox? jij weet dat ik geen poep praat, ik ben meer geneigd om meerdere testen te vertrouwen dan maar 1, en een paar DNA matches. maar ja het zal wel ik laat jou in je eigen waarden.

en ja hij heeft zeker gelijk want het klopt ook, Dodecad is beter voor mij dan eurogenes en puntDNAL. ik zie het nut er niet van in om te liegen over wat ik ben en mijn onderzoek alleen omdat ik meer persoonlijk belang heb aan "een arabier of marokkaan" zijn. dat heb ik niet eens dus drm geen bullshit praten met mij.

en boy, ik wist allang dat Anthrogenica bestond en dat ik het daar kon vragen. Waarom zou ik dat doen? wat voor nut heeft het als het alleen maar in Gedmatch's database kan komen? maar no problem my friend, ik ga dat doen. Ik begin me onderzoek weer opnieuw ik laat je wel zien dat ik gelijk heb en altijd dat al heb gehad.

ik maak geen foutjes hier, maar als ik een fout maak dan verbeter ik dat en kom ik sterker terug.

wacht maar bro jij gaat zien ik heb gelijk dont worry about it.

when the day comes i will PM you :) bon dia amigo

[Congolese Rice]

1 woord en daar is het mee gezegd ''slavernij''.. harde realiteit, moeilijk slikken.. NW Europees en SSA is kinderspel om te onderscheiden van elkaar. 'Arabisch' bevat doorgaan ook vaak relatief veel SSA, maar veel meer West Asian en Red Sea - deze schijn jij totaal niet te hebben, gelijkwaardig aan populaties in het Noordwesten en zelfs centrale gedeelte van Europa. Als we nou zouden redetwisten over of je over-over-overgrootvader deels Pools was oké, maar dit is echt kinderspel en overduidelijk. 75% zou ik zelf ook niet zeggen, maar eerder 64/70%.



watsup amigo, watsup xd



YOURDNAPORTAL:

eurogenes K7 europees: 42.32%

Ancient Near East K13: 55.32%

======

MDLP:

MDLP K11: 44.59%

MDLP K16: 51.85%

MDLP K23b: 44.71%

MDLP-22: 46.17%

MDLP world: 56.75%

=====

Eurogenes:

Euro HG/Farmer: 41.50% Baltic HG

Eurogenes K13: 54.82%

Jtest: 57.65%

Eurogenes K9b: 51.41%

Eurogenes K9: 48.53%

Eurogenes K10: 56.82%



=====

Dodecad:

Dodecad V3: 46.53%

Africa9: 46.71%

World9: 51.00%

Dodecad K7b: 51.63%

Dodecad K12b: 44.93%

=====

HarappaWorld: 46.87%

=====

EthioHelix K10 + French: 58.53%

=====

PUNTDNAL:

puntDNAL K10: 50.67%

puntDNAL K12: 43.61%

puntDNAL K13: 46.77%

puntDNAL K15: 49.71%

=====

Gedrosia:


Gedrosia K12: 52.50%

Ancient Eurasia K6: 45.19%

=====


total tests = 26

almost all tests / 26 = 49.50%

alsjeblieft, dit is mijn gemiddelde europees over bijna alle testen op gedmatch, ik heb alleen 3-5 testen ofzo van eurogenes niet gebruikt. Ook MyGenomeBox niet, DNA.LAND niet, and Gencove niet. Ik heb gwn gelijk klaar amigo als je weet dan je weet




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXP3dgJ3BP4

wat wat wat wat nigga bye bye xdddd



wat ik hieruit can concluderen is dat ik IDD waarschijnlijk niet 1/3 Arabisch ben, maar ongv 1/3 Berber/Noord afrikaan, want zoals je zei ik scoor geen zuid europees. MAAR WEL Mediterranean :O en raad is

Berber = a mediterranean group

zuid mediterraans dat is. sorry bro atleast u tried

[Gangrel]

You dont look North African at all.

Interesting how you seem to be an expert in people you know nothing about

[Gangrel]

The north africans image which I have in my mind is a very black admixture person.This guy in OP doesnt look SSA.

Why are you so stupid?

[Catarinense1998]

Interesting how you seem to be an expert in people you know nothing about

I already apologized in 8 page.Please, dont quote disturbed one.

[Gangrel]

I already apologized in 8 page.Please, dont quote disturbed one.
Wow you are so cool

[Aren]

You look generic Med and would also pass as Assyrian definitely.

Post Eurogenes K13.

[Alessio]

ja idd, europees en afrikaan kun je easy van elkaar onderscheiden omdat het een ander soort is lmao.

Europees = Caucasoid, Arabisch = Caucasoid, Afrikaans = Negroide

and no shit, tuurlijk ben ik een afkomsteling van de slaven dat is niks nieuws voor mij. maar volgens mij ken ik mijn eigen genealogie beter dan jij. Als ik zeg dat in mijn moeders familie het letterlijk onmogelijk is om meer dan 40% europees te zijn is het ook zo. hoe scoor ik anders 51% europees op dodecad? 46% europees op africa9? 42% europees op eurogenes K7? 54% europees op MyGenomeBox? jij weet dat ik geen poep praat, ik ben meer geneigd om meerdere testen te vertrouwen dan maar 1, en een paar DNA matches. maar ja het zal wel ik laat jou in je eigen waarden.

en ja hij heeft zeker gelijk want het klopt ook, Dodecad is beter voor mij dan eurogenes en puntDNAL. ik zie het nut er niet van in om te liegen over wat ik ben en mijn onderzoek alleen omdat ik meer persoonlijk belang heb aan "een arabier of marokkaan" zijn. dat heb ik niet eens dus drm geen bullshit praten met mij.

en boy, ik wist allang dat Anthrogenica bestond en dat ik het daar kon vragen. Waarom zou ik dat doen? wat voor nut heeft het als het alleen maar in Gedmatch's database kan komen? maar no problem my friend, ik ga dat doen. Ik begin me onderzoek weer opnieuw ik laat je wel zien dat ik gelijk heb en altijd dat al heb gehad.

ik maak geen foutjes hier, maar als ik een fout maak dan verbeter ik dat en kom ik sterker terug.

wacht maar bro jij gaat zien ik heb gelijk dont worry about it.

when the day comes i will PM you :) bon dia amigo

Ik heb geen zin hier teveel tijd aan te besteden, maar hier een voorbeeldje van een volbloed Nederlandse met de Dodecad Africa9 (je raadt het al, deze is voor..jawel >>>Afrikanen!) calculator om te laten zien wat voor effect dit heeft op een NW-Europeaan:

dmix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Europe 70.81
2 SW_Asia 24.66
3 NW_Africa 3.72
4 E_Africa 0.77
5 W_Africa 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 2.97
2 Tuscan 6.58
3 Morocco_Jews 27.82
4 North_African_Jews (Dodecad) 35.33
5 French_Basque 39.73
6 Druze 44.06
7 Jordanians 50.44
8 Egypt 56.96
9 Egyptans 59.57
10 North_African (Dodecad) 64.28
11 Yemenese 64.51
12 Libya 67.14
13 Bedouin 72.82
14 Algeria 72.85
15 Morocco_N 74.9
16 Yemen_Jews 76.02
17 Saudis 81.55
18 Moroccans 84.01
19 Ethiopian_Jews 86.17
20 Ethiopians 86.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.7% North_Italian + 4.3% North_African (Dodecad) @ 0.58
2 96.2% North_Italian + 3.8% Algeria @ 0.68
3 97.1% North_Italian + 2.9% Sahara_OCC @ 0.75
4 96.7% North_Italian + 3.3% Moroccans @ 0.78
5 96.3% North_Italian + 3.7% Morocco_N @ 0.88
6 96% North_Italian + 4% Libya @ 0.94
7 96.9% North_Italian + 3.1% Morocco_S @ 0.95
8 97.4% North_Italian + 2.6% Mozabite @ 1.11
9 97.3% North_Italian + 2.7% TUNISIA @ 1.18
10 52.9% North_African_Jews (Dodecad) + 47.1% French_Basque @ 1.27
11 97.1% North_Italian + 2.9% East_African (Dodecad) @ 1.37
12 97% North_Italian + 3% Ethiopian_Jews @ 1.38
13 97% North_Italian + 3% Ethiopians @ 1.39
14 95.8% North_Italian + 4.2% Egypt @ 1.61
15 96% North_Italian + 4% Egyptans @ 1.64
16 91.9% North_Italian + 8.1% Morocco_Jews @ 1.7
17 97.5% North_Italian + 2.5% Maasai @ 1.71
18 97.6% North_Italian + 2.4% Fulani @ 1.75
19 97.6% North_Italian + 2.4% SANDAWE @ 1.82
20 97.6% North_Italian + 2.4% HADZA @ 1.89


Dit is die van jou:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Europe 46.71
2 SW_Asia 21.84
3 W_Africa 21.07
4 NW_Africa 5.17
5 S_Africa 2.2
6 San 1.83
7 Biaka 1.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Morocco_Jews 26.18
2 North_African_Jews (Dodecad) 30.76
3 Tuscan 32.27
4 North_Italian 34.63
5 Druze 39.43
6 Egypt 40.88
7 Jordanians 40.92
8 Egyptans 43.13
9 Yemenese 46.28
10 North_African (Dodecad) 47.34
11 Libya 47.6
12 Algeria 53.79
13 Morocco_N 59.17
14 Bedouin 59.62
15 French_Basque 64.06
16 Moroccans 64.27
17 Yemen_Jews 65.06
18 Morocco_S 65.08
19 Luhya 65.69
20 Bantu_N.E. 66.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.9% Tuscan + 30.1% Hausa @ 5.52
2 70.2% Tuscan + 29.8% Igbo @ 5.73
3 70.5% Tuscan + 29.5% Yoruba @ 5.84
4 71.5% Tuscan + 28.5% Mandenka @ 5.96
5 70.6% Tuscan + 29.4% Brong @ 6
6 69% Tuscan + 31% Bamoun @ 6.07
7 69.5% Tuscan + 30.5% Kaba @ 6.23
8 68.4% Tuscan + 31.6% Fulani @ 6.48
9 68.8% Tuscan + 31.2% Kongo @ 6.66
10 68.4% Tuscan + 31.6% Fang @ 7.18
11 68.6% North_Italian + 31.4% Hausa @ 7.87
12 68.8% North_Italian + 31.2% Igbo @ 7.93
13 67.6% North_Italian + 32.4% Bamoun @ 8.08
14 69.2% North_Italian + 30.8% Yoruba @ 8.14
15 69.3% North_Italian + 30.7% Brong @ 8.27
16 68.1% North_Italian + 31.9% Kaba @ 8.3
17 67.4% North_Italian + 32.6% Kongo @ 8.47
18 70.3% North_Italian + 29.7% Mandenka @ 8.48
19 67% North_Italian + 33% Fang @ 8.85
20 69.8% Tuscan + 30.2% Mada @ 8.97

En nog ff de veelgenoemde Eurogenes_ANE K7:

Nederlandse (Noord-Holland)

Population
ANE 17.57
ASE 1.40
WHG-UHG 65.74
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.29
East_African 0.33
ENF 14.68

Mortimer 2:

Population
ANE 12.38
ASE 2.33
WHG-UHG 45.50
East_Eurasian 1.77
West_African 5.08
East_African 21.27
ENF 11.68


Wens je heel veel succes met dit alles! Je hoeft nergens onzeker over te zijn vind ik; het zal ongetwijfeld een luxeprobleem zijn. Zoals de Turken zeggen ''komt goed abi'' ;)

[Congolese Rice]

Ik heb geen zin hier teveel tijd aan te besteden, maar hier een voorbeeldje van een volbloed Nederlandse met de Dodecad Africa9 (je raadt het al, deze is voor..jawel >>>Afrikanen!) calculator om te laten zien wat voor effect dit heeft op een NW-Europeaan:

dmix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Europe 70.81
2 SW_Asia 24.66
3 NW_Africa 3.72
4 E_Africa 0.77
5 W_Africa 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 2.97
2 Tuscan 6.58
3 Morocco_Jews 27.82
4 North_African_Jews (Dodecad) 35.33
5 French_Basque 39.73
6 Druze 44.06
7 Jordanians 50.44
8 Egypt 56.96
9 Egyptans 59.57
10 North_African (Dodecad) 64.28
11 Yemenese 64.51
12 Libya 67.14
13 Bedouin 72.82
14 Algeria 72.85
15 Morocco_N 74.9
16 Yemen_Jews 76.02
17 Saudis 81.55
18 Moroccans 84.01
19 Ethiopian_Jews 86.17
20 Ethiopians 86.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.7% North_Italian + 4.3% North_African (Dodecad) @ 0.58
2 96.2% North_Italian + 3.8% Algeria @ 0.68
3 97.1% North_Italian + 2.9% Sahara_OCC @ 0.75
4 96.7% North_Italian + 3.3% Moroccans @ 0.78
5 96.3% North_Italian + 3.7% Morocco_N @ 0.88
6 96% North_Italian + 4% Libya @ 0.94
7 96.9% North_Italian + 3.1% Morocco_S @ 0.95
8 97.4% North_Italian + 2.6% Mozabite @ 1.11
9 97.3% North_Italian + 2.7% TUNISIA @ 1.18
10 52.9% North_African_Jews (Dodecad) + 47.1% French_Basque @ 1.27
11 97.1% North_Italian + 2.9% East_African (Dodecad) @ 1.37
12 97% North_Italian + 3% Ethiopian_Jews @ 1.38
13 97% North_Italian + 3% Ethiopians @ 1.39
14 95.8% North_Italian + 4.2% Egypt @ 1.61
15 96% North_Italian + 4% Egyptans @ 1.64
16 91.9% North_Italian + 8.1% Morocco_Jews @ 1.7
17 97.5% North_Italian + 2.5% Maasai @ 1.71
18 97.6% North_Italian + 2.4% Fulani @ 1.75
19 97.6% North_Italian + 2.4% SANDAWE @ 1.82
20 97.6% North_Italian + 2.4% HADZA @ 1.89


Dit is die van jou:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Europe 46.71
2 SW_Asia 21.84
3 W_Africa 21.07
4 NW_Africa 5.17
5 S_Africa 2.2
6 San 1.83
7 Biaka 1.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Morocco_Jews 26.18
2 North_African_Jews (Dodecad) 30.76
3 Tuscan 32.27
4 North_Italian 34.63
5 Druze 39.43
6 Egypt 40.88
7 Jordanians 40.92
8 Egyptans 43.13
9 Yemenese 46.28
10 North_African (Dodecad) 47.34
11 Libya 47.6
12 Algeria 53.79
13 Morocco_N 59.17
14 Bedouin 59.62
15 French_Basque 64.06
16 Moroccans 64.27
17 Yemen_Jews 65.06
18 Morocco_S 65.08
19 Luhya 65.69
20 Bantu_N.E. 66.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.9% Tuscan + 30.1% Hausa @ 5.52
2 70.2% Tuscan + 29.8% Igbo @ 5.73
3 70.5% Tuscan + 29.5% Yoruba @ 5.84
4 71.5% Tuscan + 28.5% Mandenka @ 5.96
5 70.6% Tuscan + 29.4% Brong @ 6
6 69% Tuscan + 31% Bamoun @ 6.07
7 69.5% Tuscan + 30.5% Kaba @ 6.23
8 68.4% Tuscan + 31.6% Fulani @ 6.48
9 68.8% Tuscan + 31.2% Kongo @ 6.66
10 68.4% Tuscan + 31.6% Fang @ 7.18
11 68.6% North_Italian + 31.4% Hausa @ 7.87
12 68.8% North_Italian + 31.2% Igbo @ 7.93
13 67.6% North_Italian + 32.4% Bamoun @ 8.08
14 69.2% North_Italian + 30.8% Yoruba @ 8.14
15 69.3% North_Italian + 30.7% Brong @ 8.27
16 68.1% North_Italian + 31.9% Kaba @ 8.3
17 67.4% North_Italian + 32.6% Kongo @ 8.47
18 70.3% North_Italian + 29.7% Mandenka @ 8.48
19 67% North_Italian + 33% Fang @ 8.85
20 69.8% Tuscan + 30.2% Mada @ 8.97

En nog ff de veelgenoemde Eurogenes_ANE K7:

Nederlandse (Noord-Holland)

Population
ANE 17.57
ASE 1.40
WHG-UHG 65.74
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.29
East_African 0.33
ENF 14.68

Mortimer 2:

Population
ANE 12.38
ASE 2.33
WHG-UHG 45.50
East_Eurasian 1.77
West_African 5.08
East_African 21.27
ENF 11.68


Wens je heel veel succes met dit alles! Je hoeft nergens onzeker over te zijn vind ik; het zal ongetwijfeld een luxeprobleem zijn. Zoals de Turken zeggen ''komt goed abi'' ;)

haha, je hebt dus nu net mijn punt bewezen. als nederlanders 70%+ scoren op europees op de Dodecad Africa9 test, en ik 46% is het 100% onder the half europees.

maar ja, zoals the arabieren zeggen "geen stress habibi" je weet ik heb gelijk. Ik scoor veeeel minder europees dan je "average nederlander" dus veel plezier, besteed ook alsjeblieft geen tijd meer aan mij idd want ik krijg kanker van jou in me hoofd, je geeft mij hopi stress dus opdonderen nu het is mooi geweest.

bedankt voor je "hulp" als je je dat wilt noemen en ik wens je veel success in je expertise prof genealogist leven <3

[Ayarezki]

Azul brother,

Thanks for your info. You know, being 10% North African at tests and everything makes me quench about Berber genetics and things like that. It's nice to see how the share between Red Sea/NE Africa is done and makes me think how weird my genetics are.

Azul bro
Be proud of your roots, you have a beautiful admixture.

[Ayarezki]

He looks algerian,kabyle idk

Aach achaab - aachhh arrif hhh
azul felak agma arifi ;)

[Ayarezki]

You look generic Med and would also pass as Assyrian definitely.

Post Eurogenes K13.

Yep, I think levantine and coastal berbere are close (phenotype).

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit AU7926274

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population
Percent
1 West_Med 29.61
2 East_Med 24.62
3 Red_Sea 13.85
4 North_Atlantic 11.11
5 Northeast_African 9.53
6 Sub-Saharan 7.64
7 Baltic 2.51
8 East_Asian 0.6
9 Oceanian 0.31
10 Amerindian 0.22
11 Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source)
Distance
1 Moroccan 6.68
2 Mozabite_Berber 7.88
3 Algerian 8.41
4 Tunisian 9.47
5 Algerian_Jewish 19.24
6 Libyan_Jewish 20.75
7 West_Sicilian 21.08
8 East_Sicilian 21.62
9 Tunisian_Jewish 21.91
10 Italian_Jewish 22.01
11 Sephardic_Jewish 22.31
12 South_Italian 22.46
13 Ashkenazi 22.71
14 Egyptian 23.55
15 Central_Greek 23.83
16 Tuscan 24.08
17 Italian_Abruzzo 24.77
18 Greek_Thessaly 25.22
19 Bedouin 27.17
20 North_Italian 27.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1 81.9% Moroccan + 18.1% Sardinian @ 2.3
2 80.2% Mozabite_Berber + 19.8% Sardinian @ 3.72
3 78.9% Algerian + 21.1% Sardinian @ 3.73
4 84.5% Moroccan + 15.5% North_Italian @ 4.53
5 88.1% Moroccan + 11.9% Southwest_French @ 4.55
6 86.5% Moroccan + 13.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.62
7 87.2% Moroccan + 12.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.67
8 87.8% Moroccan + 12.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.7
9 88.2% Moroccan + 11.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.78
10 87.5% Moroccan + 12.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.79
11 83.6% Moroccan + 16.4% Tuscan @ 4.81
12 90.7% Moroccan + 9.3% French_Basque @ 4.85
13 86.7% Moroccan + 13.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.86
14 88.1% Moroccan + 11.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.88
15 87.2% Moroccan + 12.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.91
16 87.4% Moroccan + 12.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.94
17 87.1% Moroccan + 12.9% Portuguese @ 4.95
18 77.6% Tunisian + 22.4% Sardinian @ 4.96
19 87.8% Moroccan + 12.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.99
20 82.7% Moroccan + 17.3% West_Sicilian @ 5.13

[Raslen3]

Some palestinians and levantines looks like us, true hhh .. for the south european admixture, i think im in the average of (real) coastal maghrebians.

What do you mean by "The real average maghrebian" ? I am what is considered as an arab in North Africa and I am also directed related to the original arabs (although I am sure I have a lot of admixtures) but I look very fair skinned with light hair and light eyes .

[Ayarezki]

What do you mean by "The real average maghrebian" ? I am what is considered as an arab in North Africa and I am also directed related to the original arabs (although I am sure I have a lot of admixtures) but I look very fair skinned with light hair and light eyes .

Nothing about arab relax. I mean real coastal maghrebian (or northern if you prefere), not real maghrebian. White, brown or black all of us are maghrebian. But today a lot of coastal maghrebians have parents or grand parents who moved recently from the center or the south. And between these area (north, center, south), in average, berber or arab, we have not exactly the same skin tone.

[Raslen3]

Nothing about arab relax. I mean real coastal maghrebian (or northern if you prefere), not real maghrebian. White, brown or black all of us are maghrebian. But today a lot of coastal maghrebians have parents or grand parents who moved recently from the center or the south. And between these area (north, center, south), in average, berber or arab, we have not exactly the same skin tone.

Ah sorry then , I got used to berber vs Arab debates to the point I misunderstood your comment . It is also the case in Tunisia too , the coastal cities are being flodded by recent immigrants from the center and south . But in average berbers are darker then arabs in the Maghereb (In algeria it is another story) because the largest berber population in the region are the morrocans and the majority of them are darker skinned then the average arab Maghrebi . When it comes to Kabyle I agree they are very light skinned but they are not a perfect example of the berber populations in the region .

[Ayarezki]

Ah sorry then , I got used to berber vs Arab debates to the point I misunderstood your comment . It is also the case in Tunisia too , the coastal cities are being flodded by recent immigrants from the center and south . But in average berbers are darker then arabs in the Maghereb (In algeria it is another story) because the largest berber population in the region are the morrocans and the majority of them are darker skinned then the average arab Maghrebi . When it comes to Kabyle I agree they are very light skinned but they are not a perfect example of the berber populations in the region .

Np bro, i understand im a bad english speaker. To me, culture and language differentiate real coastal moroccans, algerians and tunisians, not skin tone or facial features. Berber or arab, I think we are very close. When I watch tunisian football team, to me they are like us.

[Raslen3]

Np bro, i understand im a bad english speaker. To me, culture and language differentiate real coastal moroccans, algerians and tunisians, not skin tone or facial features. Berber or arab, I think we are very close. When I watch tunisian football team, to me they are like us.

Yea indeed , we have a saying here "Tunisia and Algeria are one country divided into two by the colonizer" and Algeria is always the biggest ally and friend of Tunisia .

[Ayarezki]

Yea indeed , we have a saying here "Tunisia and Algeria are one country divided into two by the colonizer" and Algeria is always the biggest ally and friend of Tunisia .

True. You told me you have a significant arab part in your results, can you post it, i would like to see. FTDNA and / or Myheritage + K36 if it's possible. I saw one tunisian with 30% middle east in FTDNA one time, very interesting.

[Congolese Rice]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?253329-Who-looks-more-Berber-and-Levantine-Yemeni-Ayarezki-or-Mexinol :D


^ i made a thread bout you and mexinol Ayarezki hahaha. it goes about who's most berber looking of all, if you wanna check it out you are free to do so. i advertised your thread aswell so ppl come to visit here to check out your pictures, you're welcome :P

[Ayarezki]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?253329-Who-looks-more-Berber-and-Levantine-Yemeni-Ayarezki-or-Mexinol :D


^ i made a thread bout you and mexinol Ayarezki hahaha. it goes about who's most berber looking of all, if you wanna check it out you are free to do so. i advertised your thread aswell so ppl come to visit here to check out your pictures, you're welcome :P

Np

[Raslen3]

True. You told me you have a significant arab part in your results, can you post it, i would like to see. FTDNA and / or Myheritage + K36 if it's possible. I saw one tunisian with 30% middle east in FTDNA one time, very interesting.

I don't remember my results exactly but it was around 35% middle eastern , 25% North African , 15% iberian , 15% Italian while the rest was swedish , sephardic and central european .

[Ayarezki]

I don't remember my results exactly but it was around 35% middle eastern , 25% North African , 15% iberian , 15% Italian while the rest was swedish , sephardic and central european .

Unconventional, i don't know wich company give tou these results but try with myheritage and gedmatch, the most accurate to us. Ancestrydna is the worst. In average (i saw around ten tunisians results with myheritage and FTDNA in a north african fb group), with myheritage tunisians score more than 60% North Africa, and less than 10% Middle east. Expect one who score 40% Middle east and 40% North Africa with FTDNA. May be you are related hhh

[Congolese Rice]

I don't remember my results exactly but it was around 35% middle eastern , 25% North African , 15% iberian , 15% Italian while the rest was swedish , sephardic and central european .

that is pretty significant Middle eastern ancestry. you are definitely a tunisian arab yeah xD it seems that you are 65%+ middle eastern (including NA, middle east, and sephardic jewish) and probably the rest going to europe. pretty cool ethnic breakdown man xD

at the same time it also explains why you look fairly "light", 25% berber and more than 35% european can easily result in looking slightly more light, berbers are super diverse but ive noticed if they have additional european admix 7/10 times they are always lighter lol

[Raslen3]

Unconventional, i don't know wich company give tou these results but try with myheritage and gedmatch, the most accurate to us. Ancestrydna is the worst. In average (i saw around ten tunisians results with myheritage and FTDNA in a north african fb group), with myheritage tunisians score more than 60% North Africa, and less than 10% Middle east. Expect one who score 40% Middle east and 40% North Africa with FTDNA. May be you are related hhh

Actually it was myheritage lol . And my family claims descent from the prophet Mohammed so I guess they might be accurate as my Haplgroup is also J1e which is an arab haplgroup . And both my parents are actually from the house of the prophet so it might explain the high middle eastern dna but they surely mixed with native berbers like any arab so this also explains the high berber admixture . I don't know anything about the italian and iberian to be fair but my grandmother has a very jewish sounding name so maybe sephradic jewish ! the swedish and central european is quite ironic because most europeans assume that I am one of those athough they make up no more than 5% (according to myheriatage ofc) .

[Raslen3]

that is pretty significant Middle eastern ancestry. you are definitely a tunisian arab yeah xD it seems that you are 65%+ middle eastern (including NA, middle east, and sephardic jewish) and probably the rest going to europe. pretty cool ethnic breakdown man xD

at the same time it also explains why you look fairly "light", 25% berber and more than 35% european can easily result in looking slightly more light, berbers are super diverse but ive noticed if they have additional european admix 7/10 times they are always lighter lol

I would expect the light features to come from all my parts actually , after all middle easterners too have a quite large percentage of people with light features especially levantines , and yea berbers (especially algerian and tunisian berbers) are very fair skinned , I would expect also the italian and iberian to possibly come from the northen regions of both countries while I am not sure about the central european and swedish .

Also I posted my sister's picture to classify her and many said Alpinind which is very common in central europe .

[Congolese Rice]

I would expect the light features to come from all my parts actually , after all middle easterners too have a quite large percentage of people with light features especially levantines , and yea berbers (especially algerian and tunisian berbers) are very fair skinned , I would expect also the italian and iberian to possibly come from the northen regions of both countries while I am not sure about the central european and swedish .

Also I posted my sister's picture to classify her and many said Alpinind which is very common in central europe .

well damn, either way your ethnic breakdown is very cool and i like it haha, you more than half middle eastern NA and you should be very proud of that :D

[Ayarezki]

I would expect the light features to come from all my parts actually , after all middle easterners too have a quite large percentage of people with light features especially levantines , and yea berbers (especially algerian and tunisian berbers) are very fair skinned , I would expect also the italian and iberian to possibly come from the northen regions of both countries while I am not sure about the central european and swedish .

Also I posted my sister's picture to classify her and many said Alpinind which is very common in central europe .


Sorry my dear tunisian, but it's hard to trust you. Your results are so unconventional, especialy with myheritage. And why did you not keep it ??? To me, it sound as a no sens. May be you right, but I believe only what i can see. I don't denie you are an arab, with pale skin, light eyes, etc... but to me, as most of north africans arabs, your are probably an arabized berber with something like 60-80% North Africa, 20-30% Southern Europe, 0-20#% Middle east, Minor Asia, SSA, jews, etc.. The autosomale average un Tunisia.

[Sp_loa]

Actually it was myheritage lol . And my family claims descent from the prophet Mohammed so I guess they might be accurate as my Haplgroup is also J1e which is an arab haplgroup . And both my parents are actually from the house of the prophet so it might explain the high middle eastern dna but they surely mixed with native berbers like any arab so this also explains the high berber admixture . I don't know anything about the italian and iberian to be fair but my grandmother has a very jewish sounding name so maybe sephradic jewish ! the swedish and central european is quite ironic because most europeans assume that I am one of those athough they make up no more than 5% (according to myheriatage ofc) .

Sephardic Jewish in Myheritage is made of Magrehbi Jewish population reference and not actual Sephardim and it's basically levantine-Spanish mixed population. I'm in doubt you actually have Jewish blood. Probably it puts some levantine as "Sephardic" by mistake.

[dark-mysterio]

Sorry my dear tunisian, but it's hard to trust you. Your results are so unconventional, especialy with myheritage. And why did you not keep it ??? To me, it sound as a no sens. May be you right, but I believe only what i can see. I don't denie you are an arab, with pale skin, light eyes, etc... but to me, as most of north africans arabs, your are probably an arabized berber with something like 60-80% North Africa, 20-30% Southern Europe, 0-20#% Middle east, Minor Asia, SSA, jews, etc.. The autosomale average un Tunisia.

"most of north africans arabs, your are probably an arabized berber" please stop with this berberist propagenda (this my own opinion since i'm against both arabist and berberist propagenda) and sorry for my english

[Ayarezki]

"most of north africans arabs, your are probably an arabized berber" please stop with this berberist propagenda (this my own opinion since i'm against both arabist and berberist propagenda) and sorry for my english

This is not propaganda, i saw a lot of north africans and tunisians results, what he said to score with myheritage (..without posting the proof) is clearly a joke. Middle east, Sweden.. hhh and why not Japan to hhh ?! Il you believe it's your right, but im not a fool. Existing two genetic north african fb groupe, with a lot of tunisian results. After, to me who speak sub arab derja, and - or condider himself as arab, so he is arab. His tunisian is an arab to me, not a berbere, even if he is probably an arabized berber. Culture made identity more than blood. Np with your english, use french il you prefere.

[Sp_loa]

This is not propaganda, i saw a lot of north africans and tunisians results, what he said to score with myheritage (..without posting the proof) is clearly a joke. Middle east, Sweden.. hhh and why not Japan to hhh ?! Il you believe it's your right, but im not a fool. Existing two genetic north african fb groupe, with a lot of tunisian results. After, to me who speak sub arab derja, and - or condider himself as arab, so he is arab. His tunisian is an arab to me, not a berbere, even if he is probably an arabized berber. Culture made identity more than blood. Np with your english, use french il you prefere.

The North-African reference in Myheritage is made of North African "Arabs" (which are usually about 50% Arab 50% Berber").
I think FTDNA North African category is made of "pure" Berbers. My Berber ancestry predates Islam so it's kind of pure.

[Ayarezki]

The North-African reference in Myheritage is made of North African "Arabs" (which are usually about 50% Arab 50% Berber").
I think FTDNA North African category is made of "pure" Berbers. My Berber ancestry predates Islam so it's kind of pure.

Nop, the NA reference in myheritage is made only with berbere, same with FTDNA. It's why these companies are the most accurate for us. I have 72% NA with FTDNA and 70% with myheritage. Both gived to me 0% middle east. It's 23andme and ancestrydna who share NA ans ME.

[Sp_loa]

Nop, the NA reference in myheritage is made only with berbere, same with FTDNA. It's why these companies are the most accurate for us. I have 72% NA with FTDNA and 70% with myheritage. Both gived to me 0% middle east. It's 23andme and ancestrydna who share NA ans ME.

I was 7.5% North African in Myheritage and 22% in FTDNA. According to gedmatch it's about 12-14% and according to other calculators it's about 16%.

[Ayarezki]

I was 7.5% North African in Myheritage and 22% in FTDNA. According to gedmatch it's about 12-14% and according to other calculators it's about 16%.

We can't compare myheritage and FTDNA with gedmatch. Where are you from ? Are you mixed ? For us, non mixed maghrebians, for autosomale, myheritage is the most accurate.

[Sp_loa]

We can't compare myheritage and FTDNA with gedmatch. Where are you from ? Are you mixed ? For us, non mixed maghrebians, for autosomale, myheritage is the most accurate.

My grandparents are from Morocco, but I’m ethnic Moroccan but Jewish.

[happycow]

I was 7.5% North African in Myheritage and 22% in FTDNA. According to gedmatch it's about 12-14% and according to other calculators it's about 16%.

Myheritage gave me around 18% North African and im pretty sure its way too high.

[Ayarezki]

My grandparents are from Morocco, but I’m ethnic Moroccan but Jewish.

Are your 4 grandparents from Morocco ? South, center or north of Morocco ? I think some jews tribes of center and south of Morocco are natives ethnic berbers. Others are sepharadic jews from Spain or others places. Can you show us your results please, myheritage, FTDNA and K6 gedmatch, it's very interesting. I saw one algerian jew and one tunisian jew in a north african genetic group, they seem to be ethnic sepharadic jews mixed with northern africans, middle easterns and southern europeans.

[Ayarezki]

Myheritage gave me around 18% North African and im pretty sure its way too high.

Were are you from ? Myheritage is the most accurate for maghrebians, may be not for europeans nor mixed people.

[happycow]

Were are you from ? Myheritage is the most accurate for maghrebians, may be not for europeans nor mixed people.

I'm from Palestine.

[Ayarezki]

I'm from Palestine.

18% it's a bit high, but not unconventional, not sure but i think the average NA in your area is 10%. A lot of maghrebians and egyptians moved to Palestine, Lebanon and Syria during Fatimide, Almohade, Ayyoubide, Mamalouk and Ottoman times. Even refugies, especialy algerians, at the beggining of french colonization in North Africa.

[happycow]

18% it's a bit high, but not unconventional, not sure but i think the average NA in your area is 10%. A lot of maghrebians and egyptians moved to Palestine, Lebanon and Syria during Fatimide, Almohade, Ayyoubide, Mamalouk and Ottoman times. Even refugies, especialy algerians, at the beggining of french colonization in North Africa.

I see, interesting. I do tend to see Egyptian and Libyan a lot in my oracles. But I also get the North African Jewish populations like Tunisian, Moroccan and Libyan Jew.

[Ayarezki]

I see, interesting. I do tend to see Egyptian and Libyan a lot in my oracles. But I also get the North African Jewish populations like Tunisian, Moroccan and Libyan Jew.

Yeap logic, libyans are more closer to egyptians than others maghrebians. In average, egyptians have a huge NA background (not sur but probably be 25 - 35% with myheritage). They are your neighbours, your NA part is probably from this country. Can you show me your complet result please ? I saw only 2 or 3 palestinians in YouTube, i think you score, with myheritage, something like 40% middle east, 30% west asia, 18% nort Africa and 12% southern europe ?

[happycow]

Yeap logic, libyans are more closer to egyptians than others maghrebians. In average, egyptians have a huge NA background (not sur but probably be 25 - 35% with myheritage). They are your neighbours, your NA part is probably from this country. Can you show me your complet result please ? I saw only 2 or 3 palestinians in YouTube, i think you score, with myheritage, something like 40% middle east, 30% west asia, 18% nort Africa and 12% southern europe ?

Sure here's the myheritage results. I also did Ancestry and 23andme; I had just uploaded my ancestry kit to myheritage and this is what I got. I got less South Europe on both myheritage and 23andme compared to Ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/uwUrVkD.jpg

[Sp_loa]

Are your 4 grandparents from Morocco ? South, center or north of Morocco ? I think some jews tribes of center and south of Morocco are natives ethnic berbers. Others are sepharadic jews from Spain or others places. Can you show us your results please, myheritage, FTDNA and K6 gedmatch, it's very interesting. I saw one algerian jew and one tunisian jew in a north african genetic group, they seem to be ethnic sepharadic jews mixed with northern africans, middle easterns and southern europeans.

All from Morocco, mainly Central Morocco (Tafilalet). There is definitely strong European (mainly Spanish by blood) component in my family. Some were said on this forum to look Northern European but most looks Spaniards with MENA looking minority (I can send you some pictures of my family if you are curious to see Moroccan Jewish phenotypes, atleast of my family). I have also Berber roots, but the rest is Judean (levantine).

Here are the K6 results:

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 51.42
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 23.75
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.57
4 Sub_Saharan 6.26


Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Jew_Moroccan @ 2.236884
2 Jew_Libyan @ 2.472782
3 Jew_Tunisian @ 3.285524
4 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 5.642196
5 Sicilian @ 7.435730
6 Italian_South @ 7.472962
7 Cypriot @ 8.840516
8 Lebanese @ 10.554715
9 Jordanian @ 10.727109
10 Greek @ 10.772731
11 Palestinian @ 10.955247
12 Armenia_ChL @ 11.016634
13 Syrian @ 11.377727
14 BedouinA @ 11.743095
15 Druze @ 11.898855
16 Albanian @ 12.151604
17 Turkish @ 13.255200
18 Saudi @ 13.792297
19 Egyptian @ 14.321130
20 Jew_Yemenite @ 14.640326

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Jew_Libyan +50% Jew_Moroccan @ 2.042006


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Egyptian +25% Jew_Yemenite @ 1.337069


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 Egyptian + Italian_South + Italian_South + Jew_Libyan @ 1.003095
2 Egyptian + Italian_South + Italian_South + Jew_Moroccan @ 1.142282
3 Egyptian + Italian_South + Italian_South + Jew_Tunisian @ 1.179042
4 Egyptian + Italian_South + Jew_Moroccan + Sicilian @ 1.296890
5 Cypriot + Italian_South + Libyan + Sicilian @ 1.296925
6 Egyptian + Italian_South + Jew_Libyan + Sicilian @ 1.307702
7 Egyptian + Italian_South + Jew_Tunisian + Sicilian @ 1.313451
8 Georgian + Jew_Moroccan + Libyan + Sardinian @ 1.316880
9 Egyptian + Italian_South + Jew_Ashkenazi + Jew_Moroccan @ 1.323596
10 Albanian + Albanian + Egyptian + Jew_Yemenite @ 1.337069
11 Albanian + BedouinA + Jew_Libyan + Jew_Libyan @ 1.339989
12 Albanian + BedouinA + Jew_Libyan + Jew_Moroccan @ 1.358651
13 Albanian + Cypriot + Jew_Moroccan + Libyan @ 1.393626
14 Egyptian + Greek + Jew_Moroccan + Jew_Moroccan @ 1.395918
15 Albanian + Egyptian + Jew_Moroccan + Jew_Moroccan @ 1.398889
16 Cypriot + Libyan + Sicilian + Sicilian @ 1.415871
17 Italian_South + Italian_South + Jew_Moroccan + Libyan @ 1.421915
18 Egyptian + Georgian + Jew_Moroccan + Sardinian @ 1.429754
19 Cypriot + Italian_South + Italian_South + Libyan @ 1.433152
20 Algerian + Europe_EN + Georgian + Georgian @ 1.454594

[Ayarezki]

Sure here's the myheritage results. I also did Ancestry and 23andme; I had just uploaded my ancestry kit to myheritage and this is what I got. I got less South Europe on both myheritage and 23andme compared to Ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/uwUrVkD.jpg

Very interesting, thx for sharing.

[rein]

Sure here's the myheritage results. I also did Ancestry and 23andme; I had just uploaded my ancestry kit to myheritage and this is what I got. I got less South Europe on both myheritage and 23andme compared to Ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/uwUrVkD.jpg

MyHeritage is not that great, don’t you think?

[Ayarezki]

All from Morocco, mainly Central Morocco (Tafilalet). There is definitely strong European (mainly Spanish by blood) component in my family. Some were said on this forum to look Northern European but most looks Spaniards with MENA looking minority (I can send you some pictures of my family if you are curious to see Moroccan Jewish phenotypes, atleast of my family). I have also Berber roots, but the rest is Judean (levantine).

Here are the K6 results:

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 51.42
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 23.75
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.57
4 Sub_Saharan 6.26


Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Jew_Moroccan @ 2.236884
2 Jew_Libyan @ 2.472782
3 Jew_Tunisian @ 3.285524
4 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 5.642196
5 Sicilian @ 7.435730
6 Italian_South @ 7.472962
7 Cypriot @ 8.840516
8 Lebanese @ 10.554715
9 Jordanian @ 10.727109
10 Greek @ 10.772731
11 Palestinian @ 10.955247
12 Armenia_ChL @ 11.016634
13 Syrian @ 11.377727
14 BedouinA @ 11.743095
15 Druze @ 11.898855
16 Albanian @ 12.151604
17 Turkish @ 13.255200
18 Saudi @ 13.792297
19 Egyptian @ 14.321130
20 Jew_Yemenite @ 14.640326

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Jew_Libyan +50% Jew_Moroccan @ 2.042006


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Egyptian +25% Jew_Yemenite @ 1.337069


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 Egyptian + Italian_South + Italian_South + Jew_Libyan @ 1.003095
2 Egyptian + Italian_South + Italian_South + Jew_Moroccan @ 1.142282
3 Egyptian + Italian_South + Italian_South + Jew_Tunisian @ 1.179042
4 Egyptian + Italian_South + Jew_Moroccan + Sicilian @ 1.296890
5 Cypriot + Italian_South + Libyan + Sicilian @ 1.296925
6 Egyptian + Italian_South + Jew_Libyan + Sicilian @ 1.307702
7 Egyptian + Italian_South + Jew_Tunisian + Sicilian @ 1.313451
8 Georgian + Jew_Moroccan + Libyan + Sardinian @ 1.316880
9 Egyptian + Italian_South + Jew_Ashkenazi + Jew_Moroccan @ 1.323596
10 Albanian + Albanian + Egyptian + Jew_Yemenite @ 1.337069
11 Albanian + BedouinA + Jew_Libyan + Jew_Libyan @ 1.339989
12 Albanian + BedouinA + Jew_Libyan + Jew_Moroccan @ 1.358651
13 Albanian + Cypriot + Jew_Moroccan + Libyan @ 1.393626
14 Egyptian + Greek + Jew_Moroccan + Jew_Moroccan @ 1.395918
15 Albanian + Egyptian + Jew_Moroccan + Jew_Moroccan @ 1.398889
16 Cypriot + Libyan + Sicilian + Sicilian @ 1.415871
17 Italian_South + Italian_South + Jew_Moroccan + Libyan @ 1.421915
18 Egyptian + Georgian + Jew_Moroccan + Sardinian @ 1.429754
19 Cypriot + Italian_South + Italian_South + Libyan @ 1.433152
20 Algerian + Europe_EN + Georgian + Georgian @ 1.454594

Wow no mozabite in the oracle, mozabite people is the real berber marker. Impressive for a jew of berber area like Tafilalet. I know only one moroccan jew, Gad Elmaleh a french humorist. And a lot of algerian and tunisien jews. I think you have your own phenotype. So yeap i would like to see others :)

[Sp_loa]

MyHeritage is not that great, don’t you think?

I agree Myheritage isn't great. FTDNA isn't that great as well. mixed ones can only rely on Gedmatch. Atleast for now.

[happycow]

MyHeritage is not that great, don’t you think?

Yeah I don't think its all that accurate. The Nigerian is supposedly a bug. I reuploaded the kit and still got it. I scored no SSA in ancestry or 23andme. And I only get 3% North Africa on Ancestry

[Sp_loa]

Wow no mozabite in the oracle, mozabite people is the real berber marker. Impressive for a jew of berber area like Tafilalet. I know only one moroccan jew, Gad Elmaleh a french humorist. And a lot of algerian and tunisien jews. I think you have your own phenotype. So yeap i would like to see others :)

Mozabite is one of the most common things I get on the 2 population Oracle. Usually about 10% not more. I'm not that Berberic. Not enough to be 25%. I'm 3-4 times more Spanish than Berber lol.

[Ayarezki]

Mozabite is one of the most common things I get on the 2 population Oracle. Usually about 10% not more. I'm not that Berberic. Not enough to be 25%. I'm 3-4 times more Spanish than Berber lol.

Yeap yours ancestors are probably jews refugies from Spain :thumb001:

[Ayarezki]

For europeans, middle easterns and jews may be myheritage is not accurate, I don't know. But for us, northern africans it's the best company by far. 23andme don't separate north africa (berbere) and middle east (arab, jews, assyrians, etc..). And ancestrydna it's a joke, the worst company ever hhh

[Ayarezki]

Yeah I don't think its all that accurate. The Nigerian is supposedly a bug. I reuploaded the kit and still got it. I scored no SSA in ancestry or 23andme. And I only get 3% North Africa on Ancestry

With myheritage your results are influenced by your data raw ancestrydna, try again with a new kit, your results will change. I saw a lot of people doing this.

[happycow]

For europeans, middle easterns and jews may be myheritage is not accurate, I don't know. But for us, northern africans it's the best company by far. 23andme don't separate north africa (berbere) and middle east (arab, jews, assyrians, etc..). And ancestrydna it's a joke, the worst company ever hhh

23andme just split me as half West Asian and half North African/Arabian. Did the same for another Palestinian as well. Ancestry seemed to be most accurate for me, but even with gedmatch and all that I still have questions. lol

[Alessio]

For europeans, middle easterns and jews may be myheritage is not accurate, I don't know. But for us, northern africans it's the best company by far. 23andme don't separate north africa (berbere) and middle east (arab, jews, assyrians, etc..). And ancestrydna it's a joke, the worst company ever hhh

Maybe for Maghrebi's it is. They're busy with a new update, so perhaps some improvements will be made. I like their conservative matching-system though and Genetic Community feature. What does Ancestry give you?

[happycow]

With myheritage your results are influenced by your data raw ancestrydna, try again with a new kit, your results will change. I saw a lot of people doing this.

try reuploading the kit? I also tried using my 23andme kit but it isn't supported.

[Ayarezki]

try reuploading the kit? I also tried using my 23andme kit but it isn't supported.

Not reuplodading, it will be the same. Buy a new kit, or use a technic to convert your 23andme V5 data raw
read this :

78466

[happycow]

Not reuplodading, it will be the same. Buy a new kit, or use a technic to convert your 23andme V5 data raw
read this :

78466

Interesting. I will look into that.

[Ayarezki]

Maybe for Maghrebi's it is. They're busy with a new update, so perhaps some improvements will be made. I like their conservative matching-system though and Genetic Community feature. What does Ancestry give you?

I didn't used ancestrydna, but i saw a lot of maghrebians results with this company, in a north african genetic fb groupe. It give us a huge middle eastern part (in average than i saw 30%), and a huge south european part to (in average than i saw 30% again). Excuse my bad english.

[Ayarezki]

23andme just split me as half West Asian and half North African/Arabian. Did the same for another Palestinian as well. Ancestry seemed to be most accurate for me, but even with gedmatch and all that I still have questions. lol

Also, we can't compare gedmatch with the others companies, gedmatch use an other process which goes even further back in history.

[Alessio]

I didn't used ancestrydna, but i saw a lot of maghrebians results with this company, in a north african genetic fb groupe. It give us a huge middle eastern part (in average than i saw 30%), and a huge south european part to (in average than i saw 30% again). Excuse my bad english.

Clearly they're missing a tight North African cluster hence why you are divided among ME, SE (Iberian?) some Europe South (Italy/Greece) and SSA. Clearly they're more focussed on European and perhaps even Asian population groups. however, , if there's great variation within Northern Africa they'd need to sample several regions and name them after the given region. If there's even great variation between villages that are close to each other, I wouldn't even bother :p

[Ayarezki]

Clearly they're missing a tight North African cluster hence why you are divided among ME, SE (Iberian?) some Europe South (Italy/Greece) and SSA. Clearly they're more focussed on European and perhaps even Asian population groups.

Exactly.

[Alessio]

Exactly.

Does comparing these North African results make sense as in that they score similar amounts of ME, SE etc? They say they've tested 350+ regions, so perhaps you can look if they've tested regions in the Mahgreb and if so, where have they taken their samples from.

[Ayarezki]

Does comparing these North African results make sense as in that they score similar amounts of ME, SE etc? They say they've tested 350+ regions, so perhaps you can look if they've tested regions in the Mahgreb and if so, where have they taken their samples from.

Ancestrydna tested so much regions ? I heard they tested less than 50 regions. And i don't know wich communauty for wich region. Not sure but i think FTDNA and myheritage tested isolated center algerian berbere (mozabite) and isolated center moroccan berbere (soussi) to NA. So a lot of people of these communauties score 100% NA. Most of north africans, arab and berber speakers, score between 60% NA and 90% NA. In the north the european admixture is higher, in the south the SSA is higher, and in the east there is a bit middle eastern admixture (between 1 and 10% from what i saw, a studies of national geographic said in average 4% in Tunisia). To me, with FTDNA and myheritage, average nort african is nearly 75% NA + 20% SE + 5% middle east and - or SSA.

[Alessio]

Ancestrydna tested so much regions ? I heard they tested less than 50 regions. And i don't know wich communauty for wich region. Not sure but i think FTDNA and myheritage tested isolated center algerian berbere (mozabite) and isolated center moroccan berbere (soussi) to NA. So a lot of people of these communauties score 100% NA. Most of north africans, arab and berber speakers, score between 60% NA and 90% NA. In the north the european admixture is higher, in the south the SSA is higher, and in the east there is a bit middle eastern admixture (between 1 and 10% from what i saw, a studies of national geographic said in average 4% in Tunisia). To me, with FTDNA and myheritage, average nort african is nearly 75% NA + 20% SE + 5% middle east and - or SSA.

https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/DNA-Regions

https://www.ancestry.com/cs/dna-help/ethnicity/whitepaper

https://www.ancestry.com/cs/dna-help/ethnicity/reference-panel
I think you meant this one.

They have just 26 samples for the entire Africa North region, no wonder things don't play out that well.

[dark-mysterio]

This is not propaganda, i saw a lot of north africans and tunisians results, what he said to score with myheritage (..without posting the proof) is clearly a joke. Middle east, Sweden.. hhh and why not Japan to hhh ?! Il you believe it's your right, but im not a fool. Existing two genetic north african fb groupe, with a lot of tunisian results. After, to me who speak sub arab derja, and - or condider himself as arab, so he is arab. His tunisian is an arab to me, not a berbere, even if he is probably an arabized berber. Culture made identity more than blood. Np with your english, use french il you prefere.

the only arabs in north africa are mostly the hilalians and the maqil who come in 11th and they are mostly no "arabized berbers" (even if some "arabized" exist mostly because of them)

[Alessio]

the only arabs in north africa are mostly the hilalians and the maqil who come in 11th and they are mostly no "arabized berbers" (even if some arabized exist mostly because of them)

Some Maghrebis claim they're Arab and deny Berber ancestry, what do you think of this?

[dark-mysterio]

Some Maghrebis claim they're Arab and deny Berber ancestry, what do you think of this?

if they are really from an true arab tribes such as hilalians or the maqil (or any others "true arabs" tribes/people/family... who historically migrated in the region) described by coon or some french colonialist historian i have no problems with that

However i don't really like when "arabized" (who know it) consider themselves arabs (since i wont people to make difference between the two) as for the people that don't know they are arabized i hope they
they learn it (like any others people who got acculturated in the mena region such as the black tuareg who got "tuaregized/berberized") and sorry for my english

[Alessio]

if they are really from an true arab tribes such as hilalians or the maqil (or any others "true arabs" tribes/people/family... who historically migrated in the region) described by coon or some french colonialist historian i have no problems with that However i don't really like when "arabized" consider arabs (since i wont people to make difference between the two)

I agree, there's clear genetic distinction between modern Arab tribes and Berbers from North Africa and it seems most North Africans seem to be genetically Berber at least.

[Ayarezki]

the only arabs in north africa are mostly the hilalians and the maqil who come in 11th and they are mostly no "arabized berbers" (even if some "arabized" exist mostly because of them)

Tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands if you prefer arab hilali, came to North Africa 1,000 years ago. They met millions of berberes who absorbed them. Today it's rare to find a maghrebian with more than 10% Middle East. You are arabized berbers, even hilalis tribes, it's not an insult, it's reality. The only country who made serious study is Tunisia, one of the most arabized north african country, they score in average 4% middle east and 88% north africa. Show us your results if you did the test please.

[Ayarezki]

Some Maghrebis claim they're Arab and deny Berber ancestry, what do you think of this?

It's a myth, they are ethnic berber with some south european, jew, middle eastern and sub saharan african admixtures. But culture made identity more than blood, so if they want to be arab no problem.

[Alessio]

It's a myth, they are ethnic berber with some south european, jew, middle eastern and sub saharan african admixtures. But culture made identity more than blood, so if they want to be arab no problem.

Perhaps it's also because the Royal Family of Morocco is descended from Arabs and it's a way to act as if they're upperclass? How about the claim that many North African surnames have Arab roots?

[dark-mysterio]

I agree, there's clear genetic distinction between modern Arab tribes and Berbers from North Africa and it seems most North Africans seem to be genetically Berber at least.

yes a lot of north african (maghrebi) have berbers dna since it's there homeland However since there was some historical minority in the region like the arabs i talked in the others post or even an another historical minority such sephardic jewish and the andalusian who where expelled from iberia so no a north african who take dna should not be surprised if he finds something else than berbers dna (or of berbers descant but mixed with them)

[Ayarezki]

Perhaps it's also because the Royal Family of Morocco is descended from Arabs and it's a way to act as if they're upperclass? How about the claim that many North African surnames have Arab roots?

Even the moroccan royal family is a berbere ethnic family arabized, with huge SSA. A lot of muslims in the world claim to be of the prophet Muhamed family, to be more noble, this is bullshit. The arab surnames come from the arabization of the administartion. In the past arabic was our lingua franca, like with latin in Europe. I have an arab name which means "blacksmith" in arabic, very commun in North Africa and Middle East. Yet it does not make me an arab.

[Alessio]

Even the moroccan royal family is a berbere ethnic family arabized, with huge SSA. A lot of muslims in the world claim to be of the prophet Muhamed family, to be more noble, this is bullshit. The arab surnames come from the arabization of the administartion. On past arabic was our lingua franca, like with latin in Europe. I have an arab name which means "blacksmith" on arabic, very commun in North Africain and Middle East. Yet it does not make me an arab.

Seems like many folks are rather insecure about their origins it seems, if they really need to claim offspring from the Quraish tribe. Most of the Maghreb was Roman as well as St. Augustine of Hippo who was also Berber, why not take pride in that. I've never understood the wish for the Berber tribes to become Arabized/Islamized so badly

[dark-mysterio]

Tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands if you prefer arab hilali, came to North Africa 1,000 years ago. They met millions of berberes who absorbed them. Today it's rare to find a maghrebian with more than 10% Middle East. You are arabized berbers, even hilalis tribes, it's not an insult, it's reality. The only country who made serious study is Tunisia, one of the most arabized north african country, they score in average 4% middle east and 88% north africa. Show us your results if you did the test please.

no i didnt do any test (i don't have the money) However some historians talk about the arabs tribe of the plains (wich prove they where still alive and where not assimilated be local berbers although they mixed them like mostly of my source claim)

there is one of them

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XI14.htm

The Arabic-speaking population of the Moroccan plains is reasonably homogeneous, except for a certain negroid accretion, and looks like the Arab population elsewhere in North Africa. Although these "Arabs" must be partly Berber in blood, they, nevertheless, to a large extent, preserve their Arabian facial types. It cannot be denied that their ancestors who immigrated to Morocco at the time of the HiIlali invasions came in large numbers. The ordinary city Arabs are little different from their pastoral and agricultural brethren, but this rule does not apply to the aristocratic families. These merchant-princes are sometimes blond, and of Nordic appearance; others of them look like Mekkan aristocrats in Arabia.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XI13.htm

Division number three of our list, the nomadic or semi-nomadic Arabic speakers of the plains and plateaux,94 is comprised of numerous tribes partly or wholly of Arab origin; some of them, however, must be nothing more than Arabized groups of Zenata and Senhaja. They are all, or nearly all, tall people, with stature means in the neighborhood of 170 cm.; they are dolichocephalic or mesocephalic, and leptorrhine, with a tendency to strong nasal convexity and high, sloping foreheads. Among them may be seen members of various Mediterranean sub-races, including chiefly Atlanto-Mediterranean and what appears to be Irano-Afghan. Smaller Mediterraneans are not infrequent, and one sees among them an occasional Nordic or near-Nordic.

and if they where no more existent whey there was a war between the berbers (Sanhadja) and the arabs (banu maqil/beni hassan sub-tribe) in the 17 century :confused:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_Bouba_war

i also have others source but they are in french not english

and sorry for my english

[dark-mysterio]

Seems like many folks are rather insecure about their origins it seems, if they really need to claim offspring from the Quraish tribe. Most of the Maghreb was Roman as well as St. Augustine of Hippo who was also Berber. I've never understood the wish for the Berber tribes to become Arabized/Islamized so badly.

although i hate arabist be aware of the berberist :thumb001:

[Alessio]

although i hate arabist be aware of the berberist :thumb001:

Being true to your origins is always the better thing to do IMO ;)

[dark-mysterio]

Being true to your origins is always the better thing to do IMO ;)

yes it true :thumb001:

[Ayarezki]

Seems like many folks are rather insecure about their origins it seems, if they really need to claim offspring from the Quraish tribe. Most of the Maghreb was Roman as well as St. Augustine of Hippo who was also Berber, why not take pride in that. I've never understood the wish for the Berber tribes to become Arabized/Islamized so badly

No idea, im from a non arabized berber tribe. May be because islam is an arab religious. But i don't understand why some muslim people are arabized, North Africa, Egypt, Sudan, Levant, and others muslim people not like in Turkey, Senegal, Iran, etc.. strange.

[dark-mysterio]

No idea, im from a non arabized berber tribe. May be because islam is an arab religious. But i don't understand why some muslim people are arabized, North Africa, Egypt, Sudan, Levant, and others muslim people not like in Turkey, Senegal, Iran, etc.. strange.

the hilalians and maqil invaders where unable "to keep there culture" thus resulting in a melting pot in some area with the native berbers culture

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[Ayarezki]

no i didnt do any test (i don't have the money) However some historians talk about the arabs tribe of the plains (wich prove they where still alive and where not assimilated be local berbers although they mixed them like mostly of my source claim)

there is one of them

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XI14.htm

The Arabic-speaking population of the Moroccan plains is reasonably homogeneous, except for a certain negroid accretion, and looks like the Arab population elsewhere in North Africa. Although these "Arabs" must be partly Berber in blood, they, nevertheless, to a large extent, preserve their Arabian facial types. It cannot be denied that their ancestors who immigrated to Morocco at the time of the HiIlali invasions came in large numbers. The ordinary city Arabs are little different from their pastoral and agricultural brethren, but this rule does not apply to the aristocratic families. These merchant-princes are sometimes blond, and of Nordic appearance; others of them look like Mekkan aristocrats in Arabia.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XI13.htm

Division number three of our list, the nomadic or semi-nomadic Arabic speakers of the plains and plateaux,94 is comprised of numerous tribes partly or wholly of Arab origin; some of them, however, must be nothing more than Arabized groups of Zenata and Senhaja. They are all, or nearly all, tall people, with stature means in the neighborhood of 170 cm.; they are dolichocephalic or mesocephalic, and leptorrhine, with a tendency to strong nasal convexity and high, sloping foreheads. Among them may be seen members of various Mediterranean sub-races, including chiefly Atlanto-Mediterranean and what appears to be Irano-Afghan. Smaller Mediterraneans are not infrequent, and one sees among them an occasional Nordic or near-Nordic.

and if they where no more existent whey there was a war between the berbers (Sanhadja) and the arabs (banu maqil/beni hassan sub-tribe) in the 17 century :confused:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_Bouba_war

i also have others source but they are in french not english

and sorry for my english

Je suis meilleur francophone que anglophone également, on peut continuer en français. Donc je ne dis pas qu'il n'y a pas d'arabes en Afrique du nord, je dis qu'ils ont été absorbé par l'élément berbère. Et je parle de génétique là, celui qui veut se considérer arabe quand même est libre de le faire, c'est pas mon problème. Les arabes nomades hilaliens se sont mélangés avec les berbères nomades zenètes, génération après génération depuis 1 000 ans. Aujourd'hui le plus haut score arabe que j'ai vu chez un maghrébin était de 30 et quelques %, avec FTDNA, chez un tunisien. Un cas presque unique, c'est rare de trouver des maghrébins, y compris arabophones, avec plus de 10% moyen orient. Viens sur ce groupe génétique et regardes par toi moi même, il y a beaucoup de résultats de maghrébins, arabophones et berberophones, des marocains, des tunisiens et des algériens, on a tous à peu près les même résultats, une base 60 - 70% berbère, avec un apport sud européen de 5 - 20%, ensuite la différence se fait avec l'apport moyen orientale et africain sur saharien, selon les régions. Plus on va à l'est plus l'apport moyen orientale est fort, mais il dépasse rarement les 10%, et plus on va au sud plus l'apport africain sub saharien est fort, mais il dépasse rarement les 10% aussi : https://www.facebook.com/groups/662324300617957/

[dark-mysterio]

Je suis meilleur francophone que anglophone également, on peut continuer en français. Donc je ne dis pas qu'il n'y a pas d'arabes en Afrique du nord, je dis qu'ils ont été absorbé par l'élément berbère. Et je parle de génétique là, celui qui veut se considérer arabe quand même est libre de le faire, c'est pas mon problème. Les arabes nomades hilaliens se sont mélangés avec les berbères nomades zenètes, génération après génération depuis 1 000 ans. Aujourd'hui le plus haut score arabe que j'ai vu chez un maghrébin était de 30 et quelques %, avec FTDNA, chez un tunisien. Un cas presque unique, c'est rare de trouver des maghrébins, y compris arabophones, avec plus de 10% moyen orient. Viens sur ce groupe génétique et regardes par toi moi même, il y a beaucoup de résultats de maghrébins, arabophones et berberophones, des marocains, des tunisiens et des algériens, on a tous à peu près les même résultats, une base 60 - 70% berbère, avec un apport sud européen de 5 - 20%, ensuite la différence se fait avec l'apport moyen orientale et africain sur saharien, selon les régions. Plus on va à l'est plus l'apport moyen orientale est fort, mais il dépasse rarement les 10%, et plus on va au sud plus l'apport africain sub saharien est fort, mais il dépasse rarement les 10% aussi : https://www.facebook.com/groups/662324300617957/

je suit déjà sur ce groupe merci :cool: est il me semble déjà avoirs débattue avec des membres du groupe Facebook a se sujet

sinon j'ai une question qui n'a rien avoirs le sujet tu a un compte sur jvc.com :rolleyes: :confused: (j'ai remarqué la photo de profile)

[Raslen3]

This is not propaganda, i saw a lot of north africans and tunisians results, what he said to score with myheritage (..without posting the proof) is clearly a joke. Middle east, Sweden.. hhh and why not Japan to hhh ?! Il you believe it's your right, but im not a fool. Existing two genetic north african fb groupe, with a lot of tunisian results. After, to me who speak sub arab derja, and - or condider himself as arab, so he is arab. His tunisian is an arab to me, not a berbere, even if he is probably an arabized berber. Culture made identity more than blood. Np with your english, use french il you prefere.

For a start , the fact that arab colonists came and setteld in cities like Kairouan and Monastir and in addition to them , you have the banu hilal invaisons which was over exaggerated but this does not mean no impact happened . There was also a "caste" system in Tunisia at the time with arab families being favored even until the late ottoman period in both civil and military posts so they clearly kept their blood as "pure" as possible . And yes intermixing happend with various groups including the arabized berbers , the berbers and european slaves (african slaves too) and if you look at history you will see raids of pirates reached even Iceland , we must not also forget that Tunisia was for a time conquered by the normans who ruled Sicily at the time and they had a large nordic admixture . Sure , my "arab bloodline" might be fake , but you have at least to see that probably it is not , my haplogroup is middle eastern , my family from both sides has a documanted family tree that could be proved by historical accounts and my dna test proves I have a high middle eastern admixture . I don't know what is unbelievable in my test .

[Ayarezki]

je suit déjà sur ce groupe merci :cool: est il me semble déjà avoirs débattue avec des membres du groupe Facebook a se sujet

sinon j'ai une question qui n'a rien avoirs le sujet tu a un compte sur jvc.com :rolleyes: :confused: (j'ai remarqué la photo de profile)

Eh bien alors tu vois, ethniquement parlant il n'y a pas d'arabes au Maghreb. Je dis bien ethniquement, apres celui qui veut quand même se considerer arabe c'est son problème. Même si en vrai c'est un peu ridicule puisque la culture soi disant arabe maghrébine n'a rien à voir avec la culture arabe orientale, ils ne peuvent même pas se comprendre avec leurs dialectes arabes respectifs. Aussi entre un arabe maghrébin, un arabe égyptien, un arabe soudanais, un arabe levantin et un arabe saoudien, le background génétique n'a rien à voir.

Et oui je suis aussi un khey du 18/25, même si je ne post plus depuis longtemps, par contre j'ai vu un marocain poster ses résultats récemment. Un arabophone soit disant arabe selon ses dires, je ne sais pas si tu l'as vu, il a à peu près les même résultats que moi, un peu plus berbère même, un peu moins sud européen et avec un peu de SSA, mais zéro arabe / moyen orient également ..issou

[Raslen3]

No idea, im from a non arabized berber tribe. May be because islam is an arab religious. But i don't understand why some muslim people are arabized, North Africa, Egypt, Sudan, Levant, and others muslim people not like in Turkey, Senegal, Iran, etc.. strange.

The reason behind that is Hebrew , Berber , Ancient Egyptian , Aramiac , Akkadian (both the assyrian and babyolonian varities) are very close to Arabic , simillar words , simillar Grammar and simillar letters , so as a result , it was easier to arabize afro asiatic groups . On the other hand , Turkish peoples spoke a variety of non afro asiatic languages until they adopted a turkic language , Iran spoke persian which is an indo european language expect a small part that spoke akkadian (which is now an arab speaking region) . Senegal spoke a variety of west african languages and they weren't really that islamified , it is true they still adhere to the islamic faith but they are overhall still a very animistic society .

[Ayarezki]

For a start , the fact that arab colonists came and setteld in cities like Kairouan and Monastir and in addition to them , you have the banu hilal invaisons which was over exaggerated but this does not mean no impact happened . There was also a "caste" system in Tunisia at the time with arab families being favored even until the late ottoman period in both civil and military posts so they clearly kept their blood as "pure" as possible . And yes intermixing happend with various groups including the arabized berbers , the berbers and european slaves (african slaves too) and if you look at history you will see raids of pirates reached even Iceland , we must not also forget that Tunisia was for a time conquered by the normans who ruled Sicily at the time and they had a large nordic admixture . Sure , my "arab bloodline" might be fake , but you have at least to see that probably it is not , my haplogroup is middle eastern , my family from both sides has a documanted family tree that could be proved by historical accounts and my dna test proves I have a high middle eastern admixture . I don't know what is unbelievable in my test .

Arab were favored only during the short Omayyad reign. What caused their loss. Then they were no longer favored, neither under the Fatimide, nor under the Ziride, nor under the Almohade, nor under the Hafside, and even less under the Ottoman who favored turkish and europeans converts to islam. Your test seems unreal, maybe I'm wrong, post it and I'll apologize.

[Ayarezki]

The reason behind that is Hebrew , Berber , Ancient Egyptian , Aramiac , Akkadian (both the assyrian and babyolonian varities) are very close to Arabic , simillar words , simillar Grammar and simillar letters , so as a result , it was easier to arabize afro asiatic groups . On the other hand , Turkish peoples spoke a variety of non afro asiatic languages until they adopted a turkic language , Iran spoke persian which is an indo european language expect a small part that spoke akkadian (which is now an arab speaking region) . Senegal spoke a variety of west african languages and they weren't really that islamified , it is true they still adhere to the islamic faith but they are overhall still a very animistic society .

May be assyrian, aramean, etc.. were close to arabic, but berber language is very far. Not the same grammar at all. We are in the "afro" part of afro-asiatic groupe, I think all the others arabized people were in the "asiatic" part. But it's a good theory, i think old berber saw arabic as a new punic language. So not totaly stranger.

[ÁGUIA]

I am not into genetics so my knowledge is scarce. Although being in this forum I've come across some NAs' 23andme results and you are the one with the second highest euro input I've seen. If it indicates effectively European ancestry in that amount in your gene pool I don't know. Well some 300000 Mouriscos were expel from the Iberian Peninsula, so maybe a possibility. Albeit don't know much either about the history of Kabilya, if you welcomed them to that area or not .

About your phenotype you do look North African, probably more Euro shifted which is not uncommon to coastal Maghrebians. And certainly within the vast array of phenotypes North Africans have. You guys are a varied people from what I can tell.

Completely off-topic. But since you are Kabyle, what is your opinion concerning the Kabylia pro independence movements? Do you acknowledge its legitimacy to be, or could it be in part its origin rooted in French Colonialism, "Le mythe kabyle" etc.

Anyway welcome to the forum :thumb001:

[Raslen3]

Arab were favored only during the short Omayyad reign. What caused their loss. Then they were no longer favored, neither under the Fatimide, nor under the Ziride, nor under the Almohade, nor under the Hafside, and even less under the Ottoman who favored turkish and europeans converts to islam. Your test seems unreal, maybe I'm wrong, post it and I'll apologize.

The umayyad period and the Aghlabid period had a clearly arab favortism (I think we can agree on that) but the fatamids in my opinion clearly favored arabs too , it is not to say they oppressed berbers or didn't give them high governement postitins but it was easier being an arab . I agree the zirids , almohads and hafashids were alligened more to the berbers but the ottomans also favored arabs over berbers and arabized berbers , the european converts were the rulling class but again , military and civic powers were given to the arabs , the peronal guard of the bey was made up of only arabs , qadhis were only arabs , officers were chosen from only the rulling class and notable arab families ...

[Ayarezki]

I am not into genetics so my knowledge is scarce. Although being in this forum I've come across some NAs' 23andme results and you are the one with the second highest euro input I've seen. If it indicates effectively European ancestry in that amount in your gene pool I don't know. Well some 300000 Mouriscos were expel from the Iberian Peninsula, so maybe a possibility. Albeit don't know much either about the history of Kabilya, if you welcomed them to that area or not .

About your phenotype you do look North African, probably more Euro shifted which is not uncommon to coastal Maghrebians. And certainly within the vast array of phenotypes North Africans have. You guys are a varied people from what I can tell.

Completely off-topic. But since you are Kabyle, what is your opinion concerning the Kabylia pro independence movements? Do you acknowledge its legitimacy to be, or could it be in part its origin rooted in French Colonialism, "Le mythe kabyle" etc.

Anyway welcome to the forum :thumb001:

Thanks

I don't know about the andalusian refugees, in my family they claim to be 100% berbere haha.. It's possible, I come from a village not far from the city of Bejaia where some of them have settled. And yes i look coastal berber with some south european admixture.

For the independence of Kabylia.. i was born and I live in France, complicate to me. But I understand.. Algeria is a bankrupt state mediocre in everything. The majority of algerians feels arab muslim and they are very hostile to anything that is not arab muslim. So yes If i lived there, I would be clearly for independence.

Besides, they feel arabic largely because of France, France not only created the kabyl myth, France has unintentionally created the myth of the algerians arabs. In Spain and Portugal you called north africans "moors", France called them "arabs". So France created this country, adding the Sahara and the mountains to the coastal Ottoman possessions, and in addition it gave him an arab identity...

[Ayarezki]

The umayyad period and the Aghlabid period had a clearly arab favortism (I think we can agree on that) but the fatamids in my opinion clearly favored arabs too , it is not to say they oppressed berbers or didn't give them high governement postitins but it was easier being an arab . I agree the zirids , almohads and hafashids were alligened more to the berbers but the ottomans also favored arabs over berbers and arabized berbers , the european converts were the rulling class but again , military and civic powers were given to the arabs , the peronal guard of the bey was made up of only arabs , qadhis were only arabs , officers were chosen from only the rulling class and notable arab families ...

Umayadde and Aglabide were quickly kicked out. Fatimid gived power to Zirid, without Kotama berber they were nothing. But yes, perhaps, Ibn Khaldun explains this phenomenon well, those people who traffic their family tree to attach themselves to the prophet family, with low motives behind. Honestly this period does not interest me much. We have a popular proverb that says: only a donkey denies its origins, ala aghyoul yenekren lasel-is hhh

[ÁGUIA]

Thanks

I don't know about the andalusian refugees, in my family they claim to be 100% berbere haha.. It's possible, I come from a village not far from the city of Bejaia where some of them have settled. And yes i look coastal berber with some south european admixture.

For the independence of Kabylia.. i was born and I live in France, complicate to me. But I understand.. Algeria is a bankrupt state mediocre in everything. The majority of algerians feels arab muslim and they are very hostile to anything that is not arab muslim. So yes If i lived there, I would be clearly for independence.

Besides, they feel arabic largely because of France, France not only created the kabyl myth, France has unintentionally created the myth of the algerians arabs. In Spain and Portugal you called north africans "moors", France called them "arabs". So France created this country, adding the Sahara and the mountains to the coastal Ottoman possessions, and in addition it gave him an arab identity...

The reverse of the medal. After its independence it was set by FNL that the ideological basis of Algeria was historically Arab thus also Islamic. So the country went through this process of Arabization specially by Boumedienne (if I stand correctly) and inevitably ending up to suppress the Amazigh/Berber cultural elements. Trying to distance itself from both the pre-Islamic and the colonialist time and create/cement a social identity.
On the good note Tamazigh is recognized by Algeria as an official language in its constitution for some years, and at least from what I read a significant Berber Revival is happening though out Algeria and North Africa. Or maybe I am just saying a lot of nonsense here.

We call you Arabs as well in Portugal. It's just an umbrella broader term that encompasses the countries from the so called "Arab world". At least from where I am from we don't use Moors to designate new day North Africans. The word Moors is used mostly in an internal pseudo rivalry context between Portuguese from different regions. Magrebinos can be used as well, but most will call you just Algerians, Moroccans, Tunisians etc.

Thanks for your response, I actually find your culture interesting.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Your people were great warriors in the iberian peninsula. Im honored

[dark-mysterio]

Eh bien alors tu vois, ethniquement parlant il n'y a pas d'arabes au Maghreb. Je dis bien ethniquement, apres celui qui veut quand même se considerer arabe c'est son problème. Même si en vrai c'est un peu ridicule puisque la culture soi disant arabe maghrébine n'a rien à voir avec la culture arabe orientale, ils ne peuvent même pas se comprendre avec leurs dialectes arabes respectifs. Aussi entre un arabe maghrébin, un arabe égyptien, un arabe soudanais, un arabe levantin et un arabe saoudien, le background génétique n'a rien à voir.

Et oui je suis aussi un khey du 18/25, même si je ne post plus depuis longtemps, par contre j'ai vu un marocain poster ses résultats récemment. Un arabophone soit disant arabe selon ses dires, je ne sais pas si tu l'as vu, il a à peu près les même résultats que moi, un peu plus berbère même, un peu moins sud européen et avec un peu de SSA, mais zéro arabe / moyen orient également ..issou

alors pourquoi cette historiens coloniale cette cassé la tête a parlé d'arabe de "la régence d'alger" :confused:

https://books.google.fr/books?id=RBGHZeTNew0C&lpg=PA50&ots=WkrvdW9yS_&dq=les%20maures%20regence%20dalger&hl=fr&pg=PA158#v=onepage&q&f=false

est un autre au sujet des arabes hilaliens et maqil est ce qui arriver après leur invasion :confused:

https://www.persee.fr/doc/outre_0399-1385_1932_num_20_87_2836

[Ayarezki]

The reverse of the medal. After its independence it was set by FNL that the ideological basis of Algeria was historically Arab thus also Islamic. So the country went through this process of Arabization specially by Boumedienne (if I stand correctly) and inevitably ending up to suppress the Amazigh/Berber cultural elements. Trying to distance itself from both the pre-Islamic and the colonialist time and create/cement a social identity.
On the good note Tamazigh is recognized by Algeria as an official language in its constitution for some years, and at least from what I read a significant Berber Revival is happening though out Algeria and North Africa. Or maybe I am just saying a lot of nonsense here.

We call you Arabs as well in Portugal. It's just an umbrella broader term that encompasses the countries from the so called "Arab world". At least from where I am from we don't use Moors to designate new day North Africans. The word Moors is used mostly in an internal pseudo rivalry context between Portuguese from different regions. Magrebinos can be used as well, but most will call you just Algerians, Moroccans, Tunisians etc.

Thanks for your response, I actually find your culture interesting.

Your welcom, and yes you right.

After the independence Algeria was inspired by the french "jacobinism" model, one country, one central government, one language, etc .. and they chose the unique part, collectivism, arabic language and Islam. Only bad choices, a great disaster.

The recent concessions, officialization of berber language, etc. is only to block the separatists. Cosmetic concession. But the problem in Algeria is not only linguistic, it's structural, everything have to be reformed.

The berber awakening concerns especially Morocco, where berber speakers are still very numerous, in Algeria the vast majority is arabized, and they don't care about these stories of berber.

When I spoke about the name you gave us, "moors", I meant in the past. While the French called us "arabs" during 132 years of colonization, arab - arab - arab - arab ... morning, noon and evening, from monday to sunday. They still continue today, so almost 200 years. It has strongly contributed to include the idea of arabity in the minds of Algerians. If the french had called us berber for 200 years, probably today more algerians would consider themselves as berber.

Also the berber world, if it's eniugh homogeneous ethnically, from Libya to Morocco, it's not an homogeneous cultural block, it covers a vast territory, with diverse and varied communities. But sadly arabization progress quickly, probably the worst globalization haha

[Ayarezki]

alors pourquoi cette historiens coloniale cette cassé la tête a parlé d'arabe de "la régence d'alger" :confused:

https://books.google.fr/books?id=RBGHZeTNew0C&lpg=PA50&ots=WkrvdW9yS_&dq=les%20maures%20regence%20dalger&hl=fr&pg=PA158#v=onepage&q&f=false

est un autre au sujet des arabes hilaliens et maqil est ce qui arriver après leur invasion :confused:

https://www.persee.fr/doc/outre_0399-1385_1932_num_20_87_2836

Bon khey je suis pas là pour te convaincre, ni pour faire la promotion de quoi que ce soit, si tu ne veux pas, ou ne peut pas comprendre, j'y peux rien. J'essaye une dernière foi de t'expliquer, dans les grandes lignes, après j'arrête.

Alors.. globalement il y a eu deux vagues de migrations arabes en Afrique du nord, d'abord les Ommeyade qui ont fait la conquête islamique, peu nombreux, et accompagnés de troupes soudanaises et égyptiennes. Ils sont restés dans les villes côtières et se sont métissés avec les autochtones. Leur langue, appelé arabe pré-hilalien, puisqu'ils précèdent les hilaliens, est aujourd'hui encore parlé chez les jebli du Rif au Maroc, à Jijel en Algérie, et même dans quelques villes tunisiennes.

La seconde vague, plusieurs siècles après, les hilaliens, plus nombreux ceux là, ils ont déferlé sur la Libye, la Tunisie et l'est algérien, avant de se faire arrêter par les Almohade du côté de Setif. Ensuite les Almohade les ont enrôlé dans leurs armées, des mercenaires quoi. Pour les utiliser dans leurs luttes intestines entre principautés berbères, et pour combattre les chrétiens en Espagne. Ils leur ont permis de s'installer dans les hauts plateaux et les plaines, où ils se sont à leur tour métissés avec les autochtones. Principalement les berbères nomades zenètes qui avaient le même mode de vie qu'eux.

Ces deux vagues ne devaient pas dépasser en nombre les 250 000 hommes, au même moment il devait y avoir à peu près 7 ou 8 millions de berbères. A force de métissage, génération après génération pendant 1 400 ans, ces arabes ont été complètement dissout dans la masse berbère. C'est pourquoi aujourd'hui c'est rare de trouver un maghrébin avec plus de 10% Moyen Orient - arabe. Alors qu'on score presque tous au moins 70% Afrique du nord - berbère.

Mais ils ont entamé l'arabisation linguistique des berbères, une question religieuse et de prestige surement. Même les dynasties berbères, Rostemide, Almoravide, Almohade, Ziride, Hafside, Zianide, etc.. utilisaient l'arabe. Et avant l'arabe, les berbères utilisaient le latin et le punique, comme aujourd'hui on utilise le français ou l'anglais. L'arabisation a commencé dans les villes avec les Ommeyade, puis dans les hauts plateaux et les plaines avec les hilaliens.

Plus tard quand les français sont arrivés, ils ont trouvé des berbérophones et des arabophones en Afrique du nord, la génétique n'existait pas encore, ils ont donc naturellement pensé que les arabophones étaient des arabes, et c'est pourquoi ils parlent d' arabes et de berbères dans leurs écrits.

Ibn Khaldun, Gabriel Camps, Yassin Temlali et Bernard Lugan racontent très bien tout ça, si ça t'intéresse consultes leurs ouvrages. En attendant, voici les conclusions de la seule étude génétique sérieuse qui a été fait à l'échelle d' un pays en Afrique du nord, la Tunisie, soit disant le pays le plus arabe du Maghreb, les conclusions ici :
https://telquel.ma/2017/01/19/le-genome-arabe-nest-pas-predominant-au-maghreb-etude_1531924

Voila.

[Raslen3]

Arab were favored only during the short Omayyad reign. What caused their loss. Then they were no longer favored, neither under the Fatimide, nor under the Ziride, nor under the Almohade, nor under the Hafside, and even less under the Ottoman who favored turkish and europeans converts to islam. Your test seems unreal, maybe I'm wrong, post it and I'll apologize.

Alright , these are my results , it was so long since I posted it lol
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[Ayarezki]

Alright , these are my results , it was so long since I posted it lol
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wow awesome ..!

Firstly I apologize

Initially I did not believe it because many people lie about their results.

Could you also share your results with myheritage and gedmatch (K36) please? what are your paternal and maternal haplogroups ? And from wich city are you from ?

You are the second tunisian I see with more than 30% middle east, and the first with scandinavia. Very interesting.

Also there is a north african genetic fb group, it would be cool if you could publish your results (or if you allow me to post it), it would interest many many people hhh
https://www.facebook.com/groups/662324300617957/

Again sorry, and thanks for sharing.

[Raslen3]

wow awesome ..!

Firstly I apologize

Initially I did not believe it because many people lie about their results.

Could you also share your results with myheritage and gedmatch (K36) please? what are your paternal and maternal haplogroups ? And from wich city are you from ?

You are the second tunisian I see with more than 30% middle east, and the first with scandinavia. Very interesting.

Also there is a north african genetic fb group, it would be cool if you could publish your results (or if you allow me to post it), it would interest many many people hhh
https://www.facebook.com/groups/662324300617957/

Again sorry, and thanks for sharing.

Np dude , it is normal to have skeptcism sometimes lol .

To be fair I can't access my results because I forgot nearly all the information of the account , that photo was taken like a long time ago and I had to dig up to find it .

My mother is from Sousse while my father is from Nafta (a southern town) but I identify more with Sousse because I lived there for most of my life .

I am already a memeber of that group but I never though of posting my results , I guess that's a good time , but it would be better that you post it , I mostly don't post but it will be cool to see their opinions .

And you are welcome .

[Ayarezki]

Np dude , it is normal to have skeptcism sometimes lol .

To be fair I can't access my results because I forgot nearly all the information of the account , that photo was taken like a long time ago and I had to dig up to find it .

My mother is from Sousse while my father is from Nafta (a southern town) but I identify more with Sousse because I lived there for most of my life .

I am already a memeber of that group but I never though of posting my results , I guess that's a good time , but it would be better that you post it , I mostly don't post but it will be cool to see their opinions .

And you are welcome .

Cool, so you are J1 from Souss, we will show reaction together hhh

[Raslen3]

Cool, so you are J1 from Souss, we will show reaction together hhh

Just a little correction it is Sousse* , locals call it Soussa so both names work .

[Raslen3]

Cool, so you are J1 from Souss, we will show reaction together hhh

I would love to be kept informed if possible , I don't want to open the fcb so that my gf would not see me online lol .

[Leto]

Yep, I think levantine and coastal berbere are close (phenotype).

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit AU7926274

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 29.61
2 East_Med 24.62
3 Red_Sea 13.85
4 North_Atlantic 11.11
5 Northeast_African 9.53
6 Sub-Saharan 7.64
7 Baltic 2.51
8 East_Asian 0.6
9 Oceanian 0.31
10 Amerindian 0.22
11 Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan 6.68
2 Mozabite_Berber 7.88
3 Algerian 8.41
4 Tunisian 9.47
5 Algerian_Jewish 19.24
6 Libyan_Jewish 20.75
7 West_Sicilian 21.08
8 East_Sicilian 21.62
9 Tunisian_Jewish 21.91
10 Italian_Jewish 22.01
11 Sephardic_Jewish 22.31
12 South_Italian 22.46
13 Ashkenazi 22.71
14 Egyptian 23.55
15 Central_Greek 23.83
16 Tuscan 24.08
17 Italian_Abruzzo 24.77
18 Greek_Thessaly 25.22
19 Bedouin 27.17
20 North_Italian 27.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.9% Moroccan + 18.1% Sardinian @ 2.3
2 80.2% Mozabite_Berber + 19.8% Sardinian @ 3.72
3 78.9% Algerian + 21.1% Sardinian @ 3.73
4 84.5% Moroccan + 15.5% North_Italian @ 4.53
5 88.1% Moroccan + 11.9% Southwest_French @ 4.55
6 86.5% Moroccan + 13.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.62
7 87.2% Moroccan + 12.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.67
8 87.8% Moroccan + 12.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.7
9 88.2% Moroccan + 11.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.78
10 87.5% Moroccan + 12.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.79
11 83.6% Moroccan + 16.4% Tuscan @ 4.81
12 90.7% Moroccan + 9.3% French_Basque @ 4.85
13 86.7% Moroccan + 13.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.86
14 88.1% Moroccan + 11.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.88
15 87.2% Moroccan + 12.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.91
16 87.4% Moroccan + 12.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.94
17 87.1% Moroccan + 12.9% Portuguese @ 4.95
18 77.6% Tunisian + 22.4% Sardinian @ 4.96
19 87.8% Moroccan + 12.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.99
20 82.7% Moroccan + 17.3% West_Sicilian @ 5.13
That's a lot of West Med which is basically Neolithic Farmer. Almost 30%!

MDLP K23b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_African 30.65
2 European_Early_Farmers 21.83
3 Caucasian 18.21
4 Near_East 11.49
5 Subsaharian 6.08
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.21
7 East_African 2.76
8 Archaic_African 2.72
9 Australoid 0.71
10 Amerindian 0.21
11 Paleo_Siberian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Shaigi_Sudan ( ) 13.99
2 Tunisian ( ) 15.19
3 Algerian ( ) 17.4
4 Moroccan ( ) 23.51
5 Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) 26.83
6 Morocco_South ( ) 27.55
7 Egyptian_Iskandaria ( ) 28.56
8 Egyptian_Tanta ( ) 29.4
9 Portugese ( ) 29.42
10 Puerto_Rican ( ) 29.82
11 Dane ( ) 31.59
12 Norwegian_East ( ) 31.79
13 Swede ( ) 31.84
14 North_European ( ) 31.95
15 Egyptian_Kuwait ( ) 32.01
16 North_German ( ) 32.02
17 English ( ) 32.11
18 Libyan_Jew ( ) 32.22
19 Egyptian_Kairo ( ) 32.31
20 German_East ( ) 32.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.8% Morocco_South ( ) + 37.2% Sicilian_Center ( ) @ 3.05
2 60.1% Morocco_South ( ) + 39.9% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) @ 3.06
3 74% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) + 26% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 3.07
4 56.7% Morocco_South ( ) + 43.3% Maltese ( ) @ 3.17
5 74.4% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) + 25.6% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 3.18
6 70.6% Algerian ( ) + 29.4% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) @ 3.24
7 58% Morocco_South ( ) + 42% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) @ 3.38
8 57.8% Morocco_South ( ) + 42.2% Sicilian_Trapani ( ) @ 3.4
9 62.5% Morocco_South ( ) + 37.5% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 3.47
10 67.8% Algerian ( ) + 32.2% Maltese ( ) @ 3.47
11 62.1% Morocco_South ( ) + 37.9% Greek_Thessaly ( ) @ 3.49
12 68.7% Algerian ( ) + 31.3% Sicilian_Trapani ( ) @ 3.5
13 60.6% Morocco_South ( ) + 39.4% Sicilian_East ( ) @ 3.5
14 69.8% Algerian ( ) + 30.2% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 3.51
15 75.2% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) + 24.8% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) @ 3.53
16 73.1% Algerian ( ) + 26.9% Sicilian_Center ( ) @ 3.6
17 61.3% Morocco_South ( ) + 38.7% Ashkenazi ( ) @ 3.63
18 70.8% Algerian ( ) + 29.2% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) @ 3.63
19 61.5% Morocco_South ( ) + 38.5% Kosovar ( ) @ 3.72
20 71.9% Algerian ( ) + 28.1% Kosovar ( ) @ 3.73

[dududud]

Very interesting debate on the "Arabité" of the native Berbers .. It would be interesting to do in Algeria, land of the Berbers par excellence! Re-rooting.

[Touijer]

Thx, someone told me it's a very old blood, before roman or muslim empires. Honestly, I don't know how it's in me, in my family always thought we are 100% berbere. No stories of andalou refugies or something like that.

It’s not old blood. Autosomal goes back max 300 years, you probably had a recent Spaniard or Italian ancestor from the past 300 years but I noticed most Riffis & Moroccans & Algerians get high percentages of Iberian and Italian regardless. I only got 3% Iberian but it makes sense.

My guess would be that with the Reconquista, many Moriscos came to North Africa and stayed North or in cities like Fes & Rabat, mingling with the local population (except the ones from Fes who are endogamous but there’s a high Jewish population) and while mixing in the same area with the same people, the Spanish component stayed alive.