DarkWater's LM GENETICS K36 Report

[DarkWater]

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ySEqIRnlWJskgSFj6Syw7CfNQPH9XXAV

https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/150a7f1a-8d1c-436a-9af5-3e9a6ed1d6c7.jpg?client=Trees&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=1349&maxHeight=613

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hessen @ 5,833437
2 Dutch_Limburg @ 6,227771
3 Flemish @ 6,487714
4 Walloons @ 7,156451
5 Dutch_Noord_Brabant @ 7,176216
6 Rheinland-Pfalz @ 7,442654
7 Baden-Württemberg @ 7,779649
8 England_South-East @ 8,034842
9 Swiss_German @ 8,323257
10 Bayern @ 8,423685


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 England_South-East @ 2,745842
2 Flemish @ 2,942418
3 Walloons @ 3,171059
4 Hessen @ 3,234614
5 Rheinland-Pfalz @ 3,345464

[DarkWater]

targeted nMonte3 (without Dutch and Belgian references for comparison)
Hessen Rheinland-Pfalz Baden-Württemberg SE_England Swiss_German Bayern FR_North-East FR_North-West
5.823540 7.438461 7.772821 8.032730 8.317666 8.415332 8.485446 8.810766

I think it's cool how it gave me the results without Belgium and the Netherlands as well, as those are more of a midway point between my two major ancestral populations (West Germany, England)

[DarkWater]

I’m really satisfied with these results and encourage you all to try it. Lukasz M has a good niche in breaking it down by regions/states within countries. I might have to advertise this on some Facebook groups.

I think these results captured my ethnicity and heritage better than 95% of tests out there could. When controlling for halfway points between my ancestral populations (which this test did), all of my top regions match my family tree very well

[GreentheViper]

It costs 8$?

[Rgvgjhvv]

I ordered one earlier today. Looking forward to my results!


It costs 8$?

It was about $11 CAD

[GreentheViper]

It was about $11 CAD

Ah, always a little more in Canada. Thanks

[Norb]

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ySEqIRnlWJskgSFj6Syw7CfNQPH9XXAV

https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/150a7f1a-8d1c-436a-9af5-3e9a6ed1d6c7.jpg?client=Trees&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=1349&maxHeight=613

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hessen @ 5,833437
2 Dutch_Limburg @ 6,227771
3 Flemish @ 6,487714
4 Walloons @ 7,156451
5 Dutch_Noord_Brabant @ 7,176216
6 Rheinland-Pfalz @ 7,442654
7 Baden-Württemberg @ 7,779649
8 England_South-East @ 8,034842
9 Swiss_German @ 8,323257
10 Bayern @ 8,423685


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 England_South-East @ 2,745842
2 Flemish @ 2,942418
3 Walloons @ 3,171059
4 Hessen @ 3,234614
5 Rheinland-Pfalz @ 3,345464

compare yours with mine https://drive.google.com/file/d/19oQnlyTH_rCJ3p6TlId-UBZQ3NTv9Wkk/view

[frankhammer]

I'd like to see graham and catkins too just in case some of us are outliers to the east of the UK. Danielions would be interesting too due to his actually being a Flem.

[DarkWater]

compare yours with mine https://drive.google.com/file/d/19oQnlyTH_rCJ3p6TlId-UBZQ3NTv9Wkk/view

I already had been. You’re a little more English than me, a little more shifted north/nw, and a little more similar than me to some of my closest matches, most likely because I have an Italian great grandparent, and therefor have more Mediterranean admixture than you. (If you look, I am slightly closer to italian populations)

I did score closer to Hessia than you, just barely

[redeyednewt]

Thanks for posting about this, what are the advantages to this report versus using the K36 GEDMATCH ancestry admixture calculator and a map and doing it yourself?

[DarkWater]

Thanks for posting about this, what are the advantages to this report versus using the K36 GEDMATCH ancestry admixture calculator and a map and doing it yourself?

The main advantage is that LM is able to break things down by smaller regions because he has a reference population for many specific areas. For example, my first region is Hessia, which isn’t on the K36 heatmap/similarity map.

If many of your ancestors come from the same regions and areas in Europe, I think this is worth doing

I think, like for people with a background similar to mine, it can me confusing whether I am more similar to English or German (ancestry said 54%GB, 30% Europe West), and this really helps me to visualize that my ancestors came mostly from Southwest Germany, and England. I am not similar at all to Northern germany, which tells me I have few ancestors from that region

[DarkWater]

What is the Gussian method? With that method I am actually closer to SE England and many other populations than Norb. The other method (which I find more accurate) places Notb as more English and with lower distances for his closest matches

[Rgvgjhvv]

What is the Gussian method? With that method I am actually closer to SE England and many other populations than Norb. The other method (which I find more accurate) places Notb as more English and with lower distances for his closest matches

Was there anything surprising you found from these results overall? Did you know a lot about your ancestry beforehand and this was used as confirmation, or did you find out some new things about yourself?

[DarkWater]

Was there anything surprising you found from these results overall? Did you know a lot about your ancestry beforehand and this was used as confirmation, or did you find out some new things about yourself?

I was surprised how little I scored in the northwest of Germany. I’m a part of a genetic community on Ancestry DNA called “northwest Germany, the Netherlands, and the Midwest” (its high confidence too).

I now think it’s a possibility that I have some south Dutch ancestry, whereas I previosly thought that I only cluster near that area because it’s a midway point between southwest Germany and England (my ancestral populations). It could be a combination of the fact that’s its a halfway point AND that I have some south Dutch ancestry.

As far as my family tree and paper trail goes, I’d say this test NAILED it, especially when controlling for the Netherlands and Belgium (as they are possibly halfway points).

I’m exited that my Hesse is so high, I think most of my ancestors come from Rheinland-pfalz and Baden Wurttemberg. But perhaps they were more similar to modern day Hessians. I do have Hessian ancestry too, and lots of holes in my tree.

[Norb]

I was surprised how little I scored in the northwest of Germany. I’m a part of a genetic community on Ancestry called “northwest Germany, the Netherlands, and the Midwest (its high confidence too). I think it’s a possibility that I have south Dutch ancestry, whereas I prviosly thought that I cluster near that area because it’s a midway point between southwest Germany and England (my ancestral populations)

As far as my family tree and paper trail goes, I’d say this test NAILED it, especially when controlling for the Netherlands and Belgium (as they are possibly halfway points).

I’m exited that my Hesse is so high, I think most of my ancestors come from Rheinland-pfalz and Baden Wurttemberg. But perhaps they were more similar to modern day Hessians. I do have Hessian ancestry too, and lots of holes in my tree.

we are opposites in this regard, you know your ancestry whereas I dont know any of mine..

[DarkWater]

we are opposites in this regard, you know your ancestry whereas I dont know any of mine..

I think you have some Rheinland ancestry. I would bet you’re a cross between English and West German with less Mediterranean admixture than me.

If I reveresed my proportions of western German to English Ancestry, I bet I would cluster where you do. You may have less Southern German than me also

[Rgvgjhvv]

I was surprised how little I scored in the northwest of Germany. I’m a part of a genetic community on Ancestry DNA called “northwest Germany, the Netherlands, and the Midwest” (its high confidence too).

I now think it’s a possibility that I have some south Dutch ancestry, whereas I previosly thought that I only cluster near that area because it’s a midway point between southwest Germany and England (my ancestral populations). It could be a combination of the fact that’s its a halfway point AND that I have some south Dutch ancestry.

As far as my family tree and paper trail goes, I’d say this test NAILED it, especially when controlling for the Netherlands and Belgium (as they are possibly halfway points).

I’m exited that my Hesse is so high, I think most of my ancestors come from Rheinland-pfalz and Baden Wurttemberg. But perhaps they were more similar to modern day Hessians. I do have Hessian ancestry too, and lots of holes in my tree.

Your ancestry seems very typical for many Americans I believe. I have no clue how different the genetics are between NW Germany and the Netherlands are though, unfortunately haha. You get Flemish, wouldn't that be Belgian ancestry or are you considering that Dutch (I understand the language is basically a Dutch dialect).

[DarkWater]

Your ancestry seems very typical for many Americans I believe. I have no clue how different the genetics are between NW Germany and the Netherlands are though, unfortunately haha. You get Flemish, wouldn't that be Belgian ancestry or are you considering that Dutch (I understand the language is basically a Dutch dialect).

Yes there are millions of Americans with English + western German ancestry. I wish this could be done with White European Americans to see which states I would get the most of! I’m sure Ohio would be up there.

And yes, I think Flemish are similar to south Netherlands. I also got a couple regions in south Netherlands

[redeyednewt]

Yes there are millions of Americans with English + western German ancestry. I wish this could be done with White European Americans to see which states I would get the most of! I’m sure Ohio would be up there.

And yes, I think Flemish are similar to south Netherlands. I also got a couple regions in south Netherlands

For states within the United States which have very large or the most German/Germanic population, Pennsylvania has a lot, as do Maryland, and Ohio.

Yes Flemish does mean southern Netherlands, or Northern Belgium. However, I'm not sure how a DNA testing company's algorithm or heritage admixture calculators like you can use on GEDMATCH, differentiate between people who are from these countries who have or basically have a completely European ancestry? These modern day countries in central Europe, are all very linked together culturally, invaded each other a lot through the centuries, and also people did not stay within the modern day borders of these countries, and migrated all over Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flanders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Netherlands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_people

[redeyednewt]

Do you think it was worth the money to have this analysis done? I may get it done for a much older relative that I took a DNA sample from before he died. I generally do know his ancestry from Southern Europe, as I did genealogy for that side of my family for decades and a lot of it I found records going back to before the modern day country was unified or created, but the rest of his ancestry is either Central or Western European, and as I wrote before in my previous post in this topic, I'm not sure how an ancestry algorithim or the admixture/heritage software would differentiate between people from very close countries and regions of Europe?

[Gründig]

Do you think it was worth the money to have this analysis done? I may get it done for a much older relative that I took a DNA sample from before he died. I generally do know his ancestry from Southern Europe, as I did genealogy for that side of my family for decades and a lot of it I found records going back to before the modern day country was unified or created, but the rest of his ancestry is either Central or Western European, and as I wrote before in my previous post in this topic, I'm not sure how an ancestry algorithim or the admixture/heritage software would differentiate between people from very close countries and regions of Europe?

It's worth it. It only costs like $8.

[redeyednewt]

It's worth it. It only costs like $8.

So did it tell you anything that you did not know already, or highlight any modern day countries, or regions of Europe that your ancestors were from that you did not know about?

[DarkWater]

So did it tell you anything that you did not know already, or highlight any modern day countries, or regions of Europe that your ancestors were from that you did not know about?

I already knew but it really did help to pinpoint it down and to eliminate the possibility of having ancestry outside of the main regions I already know about. The reason I did it was because I already knew my broad ancestry but wanted to see how I compared with the smaller regions that LM breaks it down into

[Larali]

Cool, thanks for posting. For 8 bucks it looks like it could be worth doing.

[DarkWater]

Cool, thanks for posting. For 8 bucks it looks like it could be worth doing.

I encourage you to do it and share your results!

[DarkWater]

Has anyone else done this yet?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Has anyone else done this yet?

Me and my girlfriend have done it. Several other TA members have done it as well.

[DarkWater]

Me and my girlfriend have done it. Several other TA members have done it as well.

Was it accurate for you? I’d like to see everyone’s results

[Larali]

I'm going to do this today, will post results on a separate thread

[DarkWater]

I'm going to do this today, will post results on a separate thread

Great!!

[Grace O'Malley]

This is my mother's so that people can see what someone from Tipperary, Ireland gets.

http://i63.tinypic.com/24v4rpy.jpg

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ireland @ 2,903249
2 Orkney @ 3,031496
3 Wales @ 3,138817
4 Northern_Ireland @ 3,141019
5 Iceland @ 3,409213
6 England_South-West @ 3,463001
7 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern @ 3,581558
8 England_North-West @ 3,703859
9 Norwegians @ 3,977514
10 Scotland @ 4,095863 379 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ireland+Wales @ 2,832375
2 Ireland+Ireland @2,903249
3 Orkney+Wales @ 2,910501
4 Ireland+Orkney @ 2,929876
5 Iceland+Ireland @ 2,931868
6 England_South-West+Wales @ 2,954504
7 Iceland+Wales @ 2,96094
8 Ireland+Northern_Ireland @ 2,975469
9 Ireland+Scotland @ 2,981601
10 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern+Ireland @ 2,98347

Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:

1 Wales @ 5,563862
2 Orkney @ 6,393438
3 Ireland @ 7,344543
4 Northern_Ireland @ 7,471133
5 England_North-East @ 8,284106
6 Scotland @ 8,525049
7 Dutch_Overijssel @ 8,68046
8 Iceland @ 8,682714
9 England_North-West @ 8,869385
10 England_South-West @ 9,10673
379 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Wales+Wales @ 5,563862
2 Iceland+Wales @ 5,756724
3 Ireland+Norwegians @ 5,778578
4 Orkney+Wales @ 5,781104
5 Norwegians+Wales @ 5,886995
6 Iceland+Ireland @ 6,040475
7 Northern_Ireland+Norwegians @ 6,217754
8 Dutch_Overijssel+Wales @ 6,269188
9 Ireland+Wales @ 6,26984
10 Northern_Ireland+Wales @ 6,290874
72010 iterations.

[Grace O'Malley]

I’m really satisfied with these results and encourage you all to try it. Lukasz M has a good niche in breaking it down by regions/states within countries. I might have to advertise this on some Facebook groups.

I think these results captured my ethnicity and heritage better than 95% of tests out there could. When controlling for halfway points between my ancestral populations (which this test did), all of my top regions match my family tree very well

Yes he's very good and he has a huge amount of samples. It's incredibly cheap for what you get. I'd recommend it. I've had my mother and myself done.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Was it accurate for you? I’d like to see everyone’s results

Yes, it was accurate. Is there anything you want to see in particular? K36 correlation map? Admix 4-Oracle? nMonte 3 Oracle?

[DarkWater]

Yes, it was accurate. Is there anything you want to see in particular? K36 correlation map? Admix 4-Oracle? nMonte 3 Oracle?

The map is what is the most interesting. Along with the oracle that corresponds to it

[Gründig]

This is my mother's so that people can see what someone from Tipperary, Ireland gets.

http://i63.tinypic.com/24v4rpy.jpg

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ireland @ 2,903249
2 Orkney @ 3,031496
3 Wales @ 3,138817
4 Northern_Ireland @ 3,141019
5 Iceland @ 3,409213
6 England_South-West @ 3,463001
7 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern @ 3,581558
8 England_North-West @ 3,703859
9 Norwegians @ 3,977514
10 Scotland @ 4,095863 379 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ireland+Wales @ 2,832375
2 Ireland+Ireland @2,903249
3 Orkney+Wales @ 2,910501
4 Ireland+Orkney @ 2,929876
5 Iceland+Ireland @ 2,931868
6 England_South-West+Wales @ 2,954504
7 Iceland+Wales @ 2,96094
8 Ireland+Northern_Ireland @ 2,975469
9 Ireland+Scotland @ 2,981601
10 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern+Ireland @ 2,98347

Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:

1 Wales @ 5,563862
2 Orkney @ 6,393438
3 Ireland @ 7,344543
4 Northern_Ireland @ 7,471133
5 England_North-East @ 8,284106
6 Scotland @ 8,525049
7 Dutch_Overijssel @ 8,68046
8 Iceland @ 8,682714
9 England_North-West @ 8,869385
10 England_South-West @ 9,10673
379 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Wales+Wales @ 5,563862
2 Iceland+Wales @ 5,756724
3 Ireland+Norwegians @ 5,778578
4 Orkney+Wales @ 5,781104
5 Norwegians+Wales @ 5,886995
6 Iceland+Ireland @ 6,040475
7 Northern_Ireland+Norwegians @ 6,217754
8 Dutch_Overijssel+Wales @ 6,269188
9 Ireland+Wales @ 6,26984
10 Northern_Ireland+Wales @ 6,290874
72010 iterations.

Is your whole family from ireland?

Also, which part of the test is the second part you posted, the guassian method?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

The map is what is the most interesting. Along with the oracle that corresponds to it

Viriato:

https://s22.postimg.cc/wi7bmfh5d/Opera_Instant_neo_2018-08-07_170313_mail.google.com.png


Using 1 population approximation:

1 Galicia @ 8,374959
2 IT_Piemonte @ 9,140519
3 IT_Aosta @ 9,696298
4 Portugal @ 10,00379
5 FR_Central @ 10,183035
6 FR_South @ 10,206866
7 Islas_Baleares @ 11,298431
8 Canarias @ 11,3478
9 IT_Trentino @ 11,53519
10 IT_Friuli @ 11,618102

Using 2 populations approximation:

1 IT_Piemonte+Galicia @ 6,807409
2 IT_Friuli+Galicia @ 7,090075
3 IT_Trentino+Galicia @ 7,091074
4 IT_Aosta+Galicia @ 7,219103
5 FR_Corsica+FR_North-West @ 7,370552
6 IT_Aosta+Canarias @ 7,44905
7 FR_Corsica+FR_North-East @ 7,489383
8 FR_Corsica+FR_West @ 7,499622
9 Galicia+Dutch_Ashkenazy @ 7,540535
10 IT_Piemonte+Portugal @ 7,549539

Using 3 populations approximation:

1 50% Galicia +25% Dutch_Limburg +25% FR_Corsica @ 4,784816
2 50% Galicia +25% Dutch_Gelderland +25% FR_Corsica @ 5,011119
3 50% Galicia +25% Dutch_Noord_Holland +25% FR_Corsica @ 5,027392
4 50% Galicia +25% Nordrhein-Westfalen +25% FR_Corsica @ 5,061657
5 50% Galicia +25% Dutch_Zuid_Holland +25% FR_Corsica @ 5,132853
6 50% Galicia +25% Schleswig-Holstein +25% FR_Corsica @ 5,21942
7 50% Galicia +25% Niedersachsen +25% FR_Corsica @ 5,223762
8 50% Galicia +25% Dutch_Noord_Brabant +25% FR_Corsica @ 5,273652
9 50% Galicia +25% England_South-East +25% FR_Corsica @ 5,306742
10 50% Galicia +25% Hessen +25% FR_Corsica @ 5,328337

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Dutch_Limburg+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Galicia @ 4,784816
2 Dutch_Limburg+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Canarias @ 4,988904
3 Dutch_Gelderland+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Galicia @ 5,011119
4 Dutch_Noord_Holland+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Galicia @ 5,027392
5 Nordrhein-Westfalen+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Canarias @ 5,037205
6 Dutch_Gelderland+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Canarias @ 5,061213
7 Nordrhein-Westfalen+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Galicia @ 5,061657
8 Dutch_Limburg+FR_Corsica+Portugal+Galicia @ 5,068917
9 Dutch_Zuid_Holland+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Galicia @ 5,132853
10 Niedersachsen+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Canarias @ 5,156536
11 Dutch_Noord_Holland+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Canarias @ 5,176191
12 Schleswig-Holstein+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Canarias @ 5,189435
13 Nordrhein-Westfalen+FR_Corsica+Portugal+Galicia @ 5,218326
14 Schleswig-Holstein+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Galicia @ 5,21942
15 Niedersachsen+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Galicia @ 5,223762
16 Dutch_Gelderland+FR_Corsica+Portugal+Galicia @ 5,235972
17 Dutch_Noord_Holland+FR_Corsica+Portugal+Galicia @ 5,250697
18 Dutch_Zuid_Holland+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Canarias @ 5,264088
19 Dutch_Noord_Brabant+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Galicia @ 5,273652
20 Dutch_Drenthe+FR_Corsica+Galicia+Canarias @ 5,296795 503902483 iterations.







Mrs. Viriato:


https://s22.postimg.cc/64sfnm2o1/Opera_Instant_neo_2018-08-07_165812_mail.google.com.png

Using 1 population approximation:

1 Castilla @ 6,507126
2 Andalusia @ 6,705563
3 Asturia @ 7,594562
4 Portugal @ 8,223549
5 Galicia @ 8,714728
6 Extremadura @ 9,100181
7 Cataluna @ 9,207272
8 Canarias @ 9,320723
9 Cantabria @ 9,752839
10 Islas_Baleares @ 10,640708


Using 2 populations approximation:

1 Andalusia+Castilla @ 6,166161
2 Castilla+Portugal @ 6,417767
3 Cantabria+Canarias @ 6,430702
4 Castilla+Galicia @ 6,503312
5 Castilla+Castilla @ 6,507126
6 Castilla+Canarias @ 6,546359
7 Cantabria+Portugal @ 6,590845
8 Andalusia+Galicia @ 6,602601
9 Cantabria+Galicia @ 6,648693
10 Castilla+Asturia @ 6,671132

Using 3 populations approximation:

1 50% Castilla +25% Andalusia +25% Galicia @ 5,995165
2 50% Castilla +25% Andalusia +25% Canarias @ 6,040256
3 50% Andalusia +25% Castilla +25% Galicia @ 6,049385
4 50% Castilla +25% Andalusia +25% Portugal @ 6,05635
5 50% Castilla +25% Castilla +25% Canarias @ 6,095912
6 50% Castilla +25% Cantabria +25% Canarias @ 6,105359
7 50% Castilla +25% Asturia +25% Canarias @ 6,128759
8 50% Andalusia +25% Castilla +25% Portugal @ 6,152953
9 50% Andalusia +25% Castilla +25% Castilla @ 6,166161
10 50% Castilla +25% Castilla +25% Galicia @ 6,172924

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Andalusia+Castilla+Castilla+Galicia @ 5,995165
2 Castilla+La_Rioja+Galicia+Canarias @ 6,028653
3 Andalusia+Castilla+Castilla+Canarias @ 6,040256
4 Cantabria+Castilla+Galicia+Canarias @ 6,042712
5 Andalusia+Andalusia+Castilla+Galicia @ 6,049385
6 Andalusia+Castilla+Castilla+Portugal @ 6,05635
7 Castilla+Castilla+Castilla+Canarias @ 6,095912
8 Cantabria+Castilla+Castilla+Canarias @ 6,105359
9 Cantabria+Castilla+Portugal+Canarias @ 6,125396
10 Castilla+Castilla+Asturia+Canarias @ 6,128759
11 Andalusia+Cantabria+Castilla+Canarias @ 6,143539
12 Andalusia+Andalusia+Castilla+Portugal @ 6,152953
13 Andalusia+Andalusia+Castilla+Castilla @ 6,166161
14 Andalusia+Cantabria+Castilla+Galicia @ 6,168762
15 Castilla+Castilla+Castilla+Galicia @ 6,172924
16 Castilla+La_Rioja+Portugal+Canarias @ 6,174794
17 La_Rioja+Galicia+Galicia+Canarias @ 6,182302
18 Andalusia+Castilla+Asturia+Canarias @ 6,186691
19 Castilla+Castilla+Castilla+Portugal @ 6,189989
20 Castilla+La_Rioja+Portugal+Galicia @ 6,192363

[DarkWater]

Interesting. Your results give you a lot of southern France and also Portugal

[DarkWater]

This is my mother's so that people can see what someone from Tipperary, Ireland gets.

http://i63.tinypic.com/24v4rpy.jpg

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ireland @ 2,903249
2 Orkney @ 3,031496
3 Wales @ 3,138817
4 Northern_Ireland @ 3,141019
5 Iceland @ 3,409213
6 England_South-West @ 3,463001
7 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern @ 3,581558
8 England_North-West @ 3,703859
9 Norwegians @ 3,977514
10 Scotland @ 4,095863 379 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ireland+Wales @ 2,832375
2 Ireland+Ireland @2,903249
3 Orkney+Wales @ 2,910501
4 Ireland+Orkney @ 2,929876
5 Iceland+Ireland @ 2,931868
6 England_South-West+Wales @ 2,954504
7 Iceland+Wales @ 2,96094
8 Ireland+Northern_Ireland @ 2,975469
9 Ireland+Scotland @ 2,981601
10 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern+Ireland @ 2,98347

Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:

1 Wales @ 5,563862
2 Orkney @ 6,393438
3 Ireland @ 7,344543
4 Northern_Ireland @ 7,471133
5 England_North-East @ 8,284106
6 Scotland @ 8,525049
7 Dutch_Overijssel @ 8,68046
8 Iceland @ 8,682714
9 England_North-West @ 8,869385
10 England_South-West @ 9,10673
379 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Wales+Wales @ 5,563862
2 Iceland+Wales @ 5,756724
3 Ireland+Norwegians @ 5,778578
4 Orkney+Wales @ 5,781104
5 Norwegians+Wales @ 5,886995
6 Iceland+Ireland @ 6,040475
7 Northern_Ireland+Norwegians @ 6,217754
8 Dutch_Overijssel+Wales @ 6,269188
9 Ireland+Wales @ 6,26984
10 Northern_Ireland+Wales @ 6,290874
72010 iterations.

Wow she seems super Irish. Those are super low distances!

[Grace O'Malley]

I hope you don't mind me posting mine. My is similar to my mother's with some slight differences. It is interesting if you compare what populations get as if you see enough of these you can usually tell if people are English or Irish from looking at their maps. So they are pretty accurate.

http://i65.tinypic.com/wjfdb6.jpg

Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ireland @ 6,367809
2 Wales @ 6,809941
3 Orkney @ 7,289738
4 Northern_Ireland @ 8,081043
5 Scotland @ 8,936453
6 England_South-West @ 9,729645
7 Cumbria @ 10,094877
8 Dutch_Overijssel @ 10,180658
9 England_North-West @ 10,435487
10 England_North-East @ 10,65575 379 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ireland+Wales @ 6,224287
2 Ireland+Ireland @ 6,367809
3 Ireland+Orkney @ 6,502647
4 Ireland+Scotland @ 6,560984
5 Scotland+Wales @ 6,756545
6 Wales+Wales @ 6,809941
7 Orkney+Wales @ 6,874783
8 Dutch_Overijssel+Ireland @ 6,913292
9 Ireland+Northern_Ireland @ 6,925951
10 Iceland+Ireland @ 7,057088
72010 iterations.

Gaussian method. Noise dispersion set to 0,130062
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Northern_Ireland @ 3,479599
2 Wales @ 3,513273
3 Ireland @ 3,551729
4 England_North-East @ 3,747501
5 Orkney @ 3,793552
6 Niedersachsen @ 3,797007
7 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern @ 3,882607
8 Pommern @ 4,007316
9 England_North-West @ 4,016795
10 Cumbria @ 4,139308
379 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Pommern+England_North-East @ 3,384043
2 Pommern+Ireland @ 3,388461
3 Niedersachsen+Ireland @ 3,413837
4 Niedersachsen+England_North-East @ 3,435266
5 Oberland(western_Ost_Preussen)+England_North-East @ 3,435373
6 Pommern+Northern_Ireland @ 3,438854
7 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern+Ireland @ 3,447884
8 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern+Wales @ 3,457315
9 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern+Northern_Ireland @ 3,469713
10 Niedersachsen+Northern_Ireland @ 3,474161
72010 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Kashubians @ 3,255236
2 50% Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Kashubians @ 3,291112
3 50% Ireland +25% England_North-East +25% Kashubians @ 3,295478
4 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Kashubians @ 3,320582
5 50% England_North-East +25% Ireland +25% Kashubians @ 3,322462
6 50% England_North-East +25% FR_Brittany +25% Kashubians @ 3,325281
7 50% England_North-East +25% England_North-East +25% Kashubians @ 3,326135

Some of these places I'm not even sure where they are. :) I did look some of them up before.

[DarkWater]

I hope you don't mind me posting mine. My is similar to my mother's with some slight differences. It is interesting if you compare what populations get as if you see enough of these you can usually tell if people are English or Irish from looking at their maps. So they are pretty accurate.

http://i65.tinypic.com/wjfdb6.jpg

Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ireland @ 6,367809
2 Wales @ 6,809941
3 Orkney @ 7,289738
4 Northern_Ireland @ 8,081043
5 Scotland @ 8,936453
6 England_South-West @ 9,729645
7 Cumbria @ 10,094877
8 Dutch_Overijssel @ 10,180658
9 England_North-West @ 10,435487
10 England_North-East @ 10,65575 379 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ireland+Wales @ 6,224287
2 Ireland+Ireland @ 6,367809
3 Ireland+Orkney @ 6,502647
4 Ireland+Scotland @ 6,560984
5 Scotland+Wales @ 6,756545
6 Wales+Wales @ 6,809941
7 Orkney+Wales @ 6,874783
8 Dutch_Overijssel+Ireland @ 6,913292
9 Ireland+Northern_Ireland @ 6,925951
10 Iceland+Ireland @ 7,057088
72010 iterations.

Gaussian method. Noise dispersion set to 0,130062
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Northern_Ireland @ 3,479599
2 Wales @ 3,513273
3 Ireland @ 3,551729
4 England_North-East @ 3,747501
5 Orkney @ 3,793552
6 Niedersachsen @ 3,797007
7 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern @ 3,882607
8 Pommern @ 4,007316
9 England_North-West @ 4,016795
10 Cumbria @ 4,139308
379 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Pommern+England_North-East @ 3,384043
2 Pommern+Ireland @ 3,388461
3 Niedersachsen+Ireland @ 3,413837
4 Niedersachsen+England_North-East @ 3,435266
5 Oberland(western_Ost_Preussen)+England_North-East @ 3,435373
6 Pommern+Northern_Ireland @ 3,438854
7 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern+Ireland @ 3,447884
8 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern+Wales @ 3,457315
9 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern+Northern_Ireland @ 3,469713
10 Niedersachsen+Northern_Ireland @ 3,474161
72010 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Kashubians @ 3,255236
2 50% Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Kashubians @ 3,291112
3 50% Ireland +25% England_North-East +25% Kashubians @ 3,295478
4 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Kashubians @ 3,320582
5 50% England_North-East +25% Ireland +25% Kashubians @ 3,322462
6 50% England_North-East +25% FR_Brittany +25% Kashubians @ 3,325281
7 50% England_North-East +25% England_North-East +25% Kashubians @ 3,326135

Some of these places I'm not even sure where they are. :) I did look some of them up before.
Super interesting! I wonder what your dads would look like?

[Grace O'Malley]

Is your whole family from ireland?

Also, which part of the test is the second part you posted, the guassian method?

Yes Gaussian is the first one. Yes they are all Irish. I don't have any known family born outside Ireland that I have found.

[Lucas]

I hope you don't mind me posting mine. My is similar to my mother's with some slight differences. It is interesting if you compare what populations get as if you see enough of these you can usually tell if people are English or Irish from looking at their maps. So they are pretty accurate.

http://i65.tinypic.com/wjfdb6.jpg

Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ireland @ 6,367809
2 Wales @ 6,809941
3 Orkney @ 7,289738
4 Northern_Ireland @ 8,081043
5 Scotland @ 8,936453
6 England_South-West @ 9,729645
7 Cumbria @ 10,094877
8 Dutch_Overijssel @ 10,180658
9 England_North-West @ 10,435487
10 England_North-East @ 10,65575 379 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ireland+Wales @ 6,224287
2 Ireland+Ireland @ 6,367809
3 Ireland+Orkney @ 6,502647
4 Ireland+Scotland @ 6,560984
5 Scotland+Wales @ 6,756545
6 Wales+Wales @ 6,809941
7 Orkney+Wales @ 6,874783
8 Dutch_Overijssel+Ireland @ 6,913292
9 Ireland+Northern_Ireland @ 6,925951
10 Iceland+Ireland @ 7,057088
72010 iterations.

Gaussian method. Noise dispersion set to 0,130062
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Northern_Ireland @ 3,479599
2 Wales @ 3,513273
3 Ireland @ 3,551729
4 England_North-East @ 3,747501
5 Orkney @ 3,793552
6 Niedersachsen @ 3,797007
7 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern @ 3,882607
8 Pommern @ 4,007316
9 England_North-West @ 4,016795
10 Cumbria @ 4,139308
379 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Pommern+England_North-East @ 3,384043
2 Pommern+Ireland @ 3,388461
3 Niedersachsen+Ireland @ 3,413837
4 Niedersachsen+England_North-East @ 3,435266
5 Oberland(western_Ost_Preussen)+England_North-East @ 3,435373
6 Pommern+Northern_Ireland @ 3,438854
7 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern+Ireland @ 3,447884
8 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern+Wales @ 3,457315
9 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern+Northern_Ireland @ 3,469713
10 Niedersachsen+Northern_Ireland @ 3,474161
72010 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Kashubians @ 3,255236
2 50% Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Kashubians @ 3,291112
3 50% Ireland +25% England_North-East +25% Kashubians @ 3,295478
4 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Kashubians @ 3,320582
5 50% England_North-East +25% Ireland +25% Kashubians @ 3,322462
6 50% England_North-East +25% FR_Brittany +25% Kashubians @ 3,325281
7 50% England_North-East +25% England_North-East +25% Kashubians @ 3,326135

Some of these places I'm not even sure where they are. :) I did look some of them up before.

You have to be aware that even if you are 100% of given nartionality, such oracle MUST show something besides Ireland+Ireland at other positions.

[Grace O'Malley]

You have to be aware that even if you are 100% of given nartionality, such oracle MUST show something besides Ireland+Ireland at other positions.

Yes of course. That would be boring anyway. I have a fairly basic knowledge of how it works and I've found your reports very accurate with placing where people are from. Much more finer detail than any other service. :thumb001:

[DarkWater]

You have to be aware that even if you are 100% of given nartionality, such oracle MUST show something besides Ireland+Ireland at other positions.

Hey LukaszM, I have a question.

Do you think it is just be coincidence that Norb, Grace, and I all got Hesse as our top region inside Germany??

Could your samples there have some British influence or something? I know Frankfurt is like the banking center of Germany, I am sure there are a lot of Brits there

[Lucas]

Hmm. Hessen average is from few results but I assure you with only Hessen ancestry (Gedcom tree and one person tell me it). But yes it has rather more NW position consdidering its geography. I don't know too many about Hessen population history. Maybe it is resultant of being on the edge of Lower Saxony and Rhineland.

[redeyednewt]

Hey LukaszM, I have a question.

Do you think it is just be coincidence that Norb, Grace, and I all got Hesse as our top region inside Germany??

Could your samples there have some British influence or something? I know Frankfurt is like the banking center of Germany, I am sure there are a lot of Brits there

You're thinking way too modern. Keep in mind that the DNA test/report goes back literally 1,000s of years and that a lot of Europeans will have an ancestry from different regions of Europe or different modern day countries, and that people did not stay within the confines of the borders of what are now European countries, and migrated a lot.

[redeyednewt]

How interesting. You appear to be quite Frankish

Me? Or the original poster? I just saw how he is banned, so I'm not sure why or how that happened?

[Lucas]

Me? Or the original poster? I just saw how he is banned, so I'm not sure why or how that happened?

His last post was insult to other user, so maybe this?

[Imperator Biff]

Highly recommend this test as it’s way better than anything on gedmatch atm.

[Imperator Biff]

http://imgur.com/pz5HEum.jpg
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation: 1 Scotland @ 6,295542
2 Northern_Ireland @ 6,312957
3 Ireland @ 6,441006
4 Wales @ 6,732219
5 Cumbria @ 7,094497
6 Orkney @ 7,356828
7 England_North-West @ 7,985616 8 England_South-West @ 8,425446 9 England_North-East @ 8,745494 10 Dutch_Overijssel @ 9,296667 500 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Northern_Ireland+Ireland @ 5,892013
2 Scotland+Northern_Ireland @ 5,893148 3 Scotland+Ireland @ 5,991241
4 Cumbria+Ireland @ 6,029267
5 Scotland+Cumbria @ 6,077286
6 Wales+Scotland @ 6,200074
7 Wales+Ireland @ 6,237556
8 Niedersachsen+Ireland @ 6,263766
9 Scotland+Scotland @ 6,295542
10 Wales+Northern_Ireland @ 6,298651 125250 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ireland +25% Dutch_Drenthe +25% Cumbria @ 5,364332
2 50% Ireland +25% Dutch_Drenthe +25% Ireland @ 5,415591
3 50% Ireland +25% Dutch_Drenthe +25% Northern_Ireland @ 5,453712
4 50% Ireland +25% Dutch_Drenthe +25% Scotland @ 5,488793
5 50% Ireland +25% Niedersachsen +25% Northern_Ireland @ 5,59467
6 50% Ireland +25% Niedersachsen +25% Cumbria @ 5,602596
7 50% Ireland +25% Dutch_Friesland +25% Cumbria @ 5,622249
8 50% Ireland +25% Schleswig-Holstein +25% Northern_Ireland @ 5,637097 9 50% Ireland +25% Schleswig-Holstein +25% Ireland @ 5,645904
10 50% Ireland +25% Nordrhein-Westfalen +25% Ireland @ 5,679692 38749739 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Dutch_Drenthe+Cumbria+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,364332
2 Dutch_Drenthe+Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,415591
3 Dutch_Drenthe+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,453712
4 Dutch_Drenthe+Scotland+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,488793
5 Dutch_Drenthe+Scotland+Cumbria+Ireland @ 5,578308
6 Niedersachsen+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,59467
7 Niedersachsen+Cumbria+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,602596
8 Dutch_Friesland+Cumbria+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,622249
9 Schleswig-Holstein+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,637097
10 Schleswig-Holstein+Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,645904
11 Dutch_Drenthe+Scotland+Northern_Ireland+Ireland @ 5,651765
12 Dutch_Drenthe+Northern_Ireland+Cumbria+Ireland @ 5,672964
13 Nordrhein-Westfalen+Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,679692
14 Dutch_Friesland+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,691857
15 Schleswig-Holstein+Cumbria+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,699726
16 Dutch_Drenthe+England_South-West+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,705496
17 Dutch_Overijssel+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland +Ireland @ 5,708321 18 Niedersachsen+Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,71066
19 Dutch_Overijssel+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,723077
20 Dutch_Drenthe+Wales+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,734373
460729297 iterations.

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062
Using 1 population approximation: 1 Cumbria @ 3,162134
2 Ireland @ 3,270448
3 Wales @ 3,32878
4 England_North-West @ 3,546969 5 Scotland @ 3,548648
6 Northern_Ireland @ 3,569674
7 Niedersachsen @ 3,619247
8 England_North-East @ 3,684122 9 England_South-East @ 3,733422 10 Orkney @ 3,758841
500 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation: 1 Cumbria+Cumbria @ 3,162134
2 Cumbria+Ireland @ 3,191456
3 Wales+Cumbria @ 3,257807
4 Niedersachsen+Cumbria @ 3,265752 5 Ireland+Ireland @ 3,270448
6 Cumbria+Iceland @ 3,284634
7 Cumbria+SV_Skane @ 3,291643
8 Northern_Ireland+Cumbria @ 3,314555
9 Cumbria+England_South-West @ 3,32288 10 Cumbria+England_North-East @ 3,3247 125250 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cumbria +25% Niedersachsen +25% Cumbria @ 3,190299
2 50% Cumbria +25% Ireland +25% Ireland @ 3,191456
3 50% Cumbria +25% Ireland +25% Iceland @ 3,205761
4 50% Cumbria +25% Iceland +25% FR_Brittany @ 3,216446
5 50% Cumbria +25% Wales +25% Cumbria @ 3,216817
6 50% Cumbria +25% Ireland +25% SV_Skane @ 3,217635
7 50% Cumbria +25% SV_Skane +25% FR_Brittany @ 3,233267
8 50% Cumbria +25% Niedersachsen +25% Ireland @ 3,235129
9 50% Cumbria +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Cumbria @ 3,241031 10 50% Cumbria +25% Wales +25% Ireland @ 3,244045
20212989 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 3,270448
2 Nordrhein-Westfalen+Cumbria+Cumbria+Cumbria @ 3,289713
3 Wales+Wales+Wales+Cumbria @ 3,29634
4 Nordrhein-Westfalen+Cumbria+Ireland+Ireland @ 3,297721
5 Nordrhein-Westfalen+Cumbria+Cumbria+Ireland @ 3,298084
6 England_North-West+Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 3,299985
7 Wales+Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 3,302186
8 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+FR_Brittany @ 3,304243
9 Niedersachsen+Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 3,306533
10 Ireland+Ireland+Iceland+FR_Brittany @ 3,308243
11 Niedersachsen+Ireland+Ireland+FR_Brittany @ 3,308779
12 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Iceland @ 3,316385
13 Nordrhein-Westfalen+Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 3,316484
14 Niedersachsen+Wales+Wales+Cumbria @ 3,316715
15 Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 3,321924
16 Niedersachsen+SV_Skane+SV_Skane+FR_Basque @ 3,324617
17 Nordrhein-Westfalen+Cumbria+Ireland+FR_Brittany @ 3,327152 18 Scotland+Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 3,327848
19 Wales+Wales+Ireland+Ireland @ 3,328089
20 Nordrhein-Westfalen+Cumbria+Cumbria+FR_Brittany @ 3,328148 95175558 iterations.

Well worth 7 shekels. Thanks again Lukasz.

[redeyednewt]

Highly recommend this test as it’s way better than anything on gedmatch atm.

Thanks did it tell you anything you did not already know, or could not have deducted or discerned from Autosomal/YDNA tests, genealogy, or the Admixture estimation calculators? I am considering doing it for my uncle.

[Gründig]

Thanks did it tell you anything you did not already know, or could not have deducted or discerned from Autosomal/YDNA tests, genealogy, or the Admixture estimation calculators? I am considering doing it for my uncle.

Just do it man, its $8.

[Sebbo]

compare yours with mine https://drive.google.com/file/d/19oQnlyTH_rCJ3p6TlId-UBZQ3NTv9Wkk/view

Did you test using the new Gedmatch Genesis site yet? :)

[Lucas]

Did you test using the new Gedmatch Genesis site yet? :)

Now usually yes. Those examples in this thread are all older version of reports btw.

[Sebbo]

Now usually yes. Those examples in this thread are all older version of reports btw.

Thanks! I sent you an email by the way, got a few questions to ask, thanks so much!

[redeyednewt]

Just do it man, its $8.

Thanks. I did have this estimation done, it was helpful and more accurate for Northern and Western Continental European heritage; but not so much helpful or as accurate for Southern European heritage at all.

Also the owner of LM-Genetics never answered my question about how recent, or Ancient of ancestry his admixture calculations will estimate? Does anyone know?

[Lucas]

Thanks. I did have this estimation done, it was helpful and more accurate for Northern and Western Continental European heritage; but not so much helpful or as accurate for Southern European heritage at all.

Also the owner of LM-Genetics never answered my question about how recent, or Ancient of ancestry his admixture calculations will estimate? Does anyone know?

It is hard to estimate but if we consider that from our 7th great grandparents we inherit about 0,2% I think it is good treshold.