Southern Brazilian GEDMatch result

[Tacitus]

From Blumenau, Santa Catarina. Ancestry breakdown is as follows:
-4/8 Italian (Lombardy, Veneto, Trento)
-3/8 German (Saxony-Anhalt, Pomerania)
-1/8 Colonial Portuguese

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.11
2 Baltic 20.49
3 West_Med 16.95
4 East_Med 13.19
5 West_Asian 3.25
6 Amerindian 3.16
7 Sub-Saharan 2.28
8 East_Asian 1.77
9 Red_Sea 0.72
10 Oceanian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 French 7.72
2 West_German 8.36
3 South_Dutch 9.35
4 Austrian 11.27
5 Spanish_Cataluna 12.04
6 Portuguese 12.15
7 Spanish_Galicia 12.62
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.06
9 East_German 13.16
10 Hungarian 13.23
11 Serbian 13.61
12 Spanish_Murcia 13.83
13 Spanish_Valencia 14.02
14 Southeast_English 14.06
15 Spanish_Extremadura 14.08
16 North_Italian 14.74
17 North_German 15
18 Spanish_Cantabria 15
19 Southwest_French 15.42
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.3% Hungarian + 48.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.19
2 52.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 47.1% Hungarian @ 5.37
3 51.7% Hungarian + 48.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.46
4 86.1% West_German + 13.9% Tunisian @ 5.48
5 50.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 49.6% Hungarian @ 5.52
6 56.2% North_Italian + 43.8% Swedish @ 5.54
7 59.5% North_Italian + 40.5% North_Swedish @ 5.58
8 86.1% West_German + 13.9% Algerian @ 5.63
9 86.3% West_German + 13.7% Mozabite_Berber @ 5.63
10 52.7% Portuguese + 47.3% Hungarian @ 5.64
11 56.4% Austrian + 43.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.66
12 51.1% Swedish + 48.9% Tuscan @ 5.68
13 69.5% Southeast_English + 30.5% Ashkenazi @ 5.69
14 62.4% Southeast_English + 37.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.69
15 85.3% West_German + 14.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.78
16 63.2% Spanish_Murcia + 36.8% South_Polish @ 5.8
17 70.7% French + 29.3% Serbian @ 5.8
18 80% South_Dutch + 20% Ashkenazi @ 5.8
19 69.6% Spanish_Murcia + 30.4% Belorussian @ 5.81
20 51.5% East_German + 48.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.83


Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 28.73
2 Atlantic 21.42
3 West_Med 13.8
4 East_Med 10.13
5 Eastern_Euro 8.82
6 Baltic 8.01
7 Amerindian 2.85
8 West_Asian 2.41
9 Sub-Saharan 2.02
10 Southeast_Asian 1.32
11 Red_Sea 0.49

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 French 7.58
2 West_German 7.95
3 South_Dutch 8.83
4 Spanish_Galicia 11.59
5 Southwest_English 12.21
6 Portuguese 12.5
7 Spanish_Cataluna 12.64
8 East_German 12.93
9 Southeast_English 12.96
10 North_German 13.31
11 Serbian 13.78
12 Hungarian 14.01
13 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.09
14 Danish 14.2
15 Spanish_Extremadura 14.2
16 Austrian 14.22
17 Spanish_Murcia 14.28
18 North_Dutch 14.39
19 Irish 14.91
20 West_Scottish 15.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.7% West_German + 13.3% Tunisian @ 5.57
2 86.9% West_German + 13.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 5.59
3 50.3% North_Italian + 49.7% Norwegian @ 5.65
4 71.8% West_German + 28.2% North_Italian @ 5.66
5 86.7% West_German + 13.3% Algerian @ 5.72
6 52.8% North_Italian + 47.2% West_Norwegian @ 5.73
7 70.5% West_German + 29.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.78
8 67% West_German + 33% Portuguese @ 5.78
9 81.3% West_German + 18.7% West_Sicilian @ 5.8
10 85.7% West_German + 14.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.81
11 56% Norwegian + 44% Tuscan @ 5.83
12 70.6% West_German + 29.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.84
13 87.6% West_German + 12.4% Sardinian @ 5.85
14 87.6% West_German + 12.4% Moroccan @ 5.87
15 53.5% West_Norwegian + 46.5% Tuscan @ 5.89
16 77.3% West_German + 22.7% Tuscan @ 5.89
17 65.4% West_German + 34.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.96
18 62.4% Norwegian + 37.6% West_Sicilian @ 5.99
19 60% West_Norwegian + 40% West_Sicilian @ 6.01
20 51.7% North_Italian + 48.3% Swedish @ 6.02


MDLP K16

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 30.52
2 NorthEastEuropean 22.68
3 Caucasian 21.25
4 Steppe 16.53
5 Amerindian 2.59
6 NearEast 2.04
7 Subsaharian 1.37
8 NorthAfrican 1.3
9 EastAfrican 0.76
10 Ancestor 0.67
11 Australian 0.28
12 Oceanic 0.01

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 French (NorthwestFrance) 3.92
2 French (EastFrance) 4.06
3 German (SouthGermany) 4.99
4 German (Germany) 5.14
5 Provencal (Provence) 5.41
6 Welsh (Wales) 5.92
7 Austrian (Austria) 6.55
8 Spanish (Spain) 6.58
9 Swiss (Switzerland) 6.72
10 French (France) 7.1
11 Slovenian (Slovenia) 7.29
12 French (WestFrance) 7.29
13 Italian (Friul) 7.62
14 Scottish (Fife) 7.66
15 Croat (Croatia) 7.69
16 Portuguese (Portugal) 7.75
17 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 7.81
18 Scottish (Borders) 7.84
19 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 7.86
20 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 7.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.1% Spanish (Spain) + 46.9% Slovenian (Slovenia) @ 2.83
2 58.7% Spanish (Spain) + 41.3% Czech (Czechia) @ 2.9
3 59.3% German (SouthGermany) + 40.7% Spanish (Spain) @ 2.9
4 61.5% Spanish (Spain) + 38.5% Hungarian (Budapest) @ 2.94
5 54.7% Spanish (Spain) + 45.3% Croat (Croatia) @ 2.94
6 68.8% Spanish (Spain) + 31.2% Russian (SouthRussia) @ 3
7 50.1% Austrian (Austria) + 49.9% Spanish (Spain) @ 3.02
8 59.6% Spanish (Spain) + 40.4% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 3.02
9 88.2% German (SouthGermany) + 11.8% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 3.05
10 60.3% Spanish (Spain) + 39.7% Slovak (Slovakia) @ 3.11
11 97.4% French (EastFrance) + 2.6% Quechua (NA) @ 3.11
12 97.6% French (EastFrance) + 2.4% Karitiana (NA) @ 3.12
13 97.6% French (EastFrance) + 2.4% Surui (NA) @ 3.12
14 97.5% French (EastFrance) + 2.5% Zapotec (NA) @ 3.12
15 97.5% French (EastFrance) + 2.5% Mayan (NA) @ 3.12
16 97.6% French (EastFrance) + 2.4% Mixtec (NA) @ 3.12
17 97.7% French (EastFrance) + 2.3% Piapoco (NA) @ 3.13
18 97.6% French (EastFrance) + 2.4% Mixe (NA) @ 3.13
19 97.5% French (EastFrance) + 2.5% Bolivian (Cochabamba) @ 3.14
20 97.5% French (EastFrance) + 2.5% Cachi (NA) @ 3.14


PuntDNAL K13 Global

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 38.97
2 SW_Europe 37.91
3 West_Asia 7.94
4 SW_Asia 5.96
5 Americas 3.43
6 West_Africa 1.64
7 South_Africa 1.5
8 SE_Asia 1
9 South_Asia 0.84
10 NE_Asia 0.41
11 Oceania 0.4

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 French 6.89
2 Belgian 8.48
3 German_South 8.65
4 Croatian 9.26
5 Serbian 9.93
6 English 10.17
7 Bosnian 10.43
8 Hungarian 10.49
9 Spaniard 10.79
10 Slovene 11.2
11 Scottish 11.56
12 Orcadian 11.62
13 Moldavian 11.7
14 Utahn_European 11.75
15 Montenegrin 11.95
16 Irish 12.08
17 Macedonian 12.13
18 Italian_Bergamo 12.63
19 Slovak 12.69
20 Romanian 13.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.5% Belgian + 27.5% Puerto_Rican @ 2.46
2 83.2% French + 16.8% Colombian @ 3.03
3 77.8% French + 22.2% Puerto_Rican @ 3.26
4 72.6% German_South + 27.4% Puerto_Rican @ 3.26
5 68.9% English + 31.1% Puerto_Rican @ 3.37
6 89.2% French + 10.8% Mexican @ 3.39
7 90.9% French + 9.1% Ecuadorian @ 3.59
8 80.1% Belgian + 19.9% Colombian @ 3.77
9 65.9% Orcadian + 34.1% Puerto_Rican @ 3.95
10 95.3% French + 4.7% Pima @ 4
11 95.3% French + 4.7% Mayan @ 4.02
12 95.5% French + 4.5% Colombian @ 4.06
13 95.5% French + 4.5% Karitiana @ 4.06
14 95.5% French + 4.5% Surui @ 4.06
15 66.2% Scottish + 33.8% Puerto_Rican @ 4.13
16 65% Irish + 35% Puerto_Rican @ 4.15
17 65.8% Utahn_European + 34.2% Puerto_Rican @ 4.31
18 87.4% Belgian + 12.6% Mexican @ 4.59
19 80.7% German_South + 19.3% Colombian @ 4.72
20 69.1% Hungarian + 30.9% Puerto_Rican @ 4.74


PuntDNAL K15
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 NE_European 45.64
2 Mediterranean 33.64
3 Caucasian 8.37
4 SW_Asian 3.19
5 Amerindian 3.01
6 Horn_Of_Africa 1.35
7 Omo_River 1.24
8 Wht_Nile_River 1.05
9 S_African 0.79
10 W_African 0.65
11 Beringian 0.38
12 S_Indian 0.36
13 Oceanian 0.31

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 French 5.31
2 South_German 7.57
3 Serbian 7.94
4 Utahn_White 8.34
5 Macedonian 9
6 Romanian 9.25
7 Bulgarian 9.6
8 Bosnian 10.1
9 Spaniard 10.69
10 Croatian 10.78
11 Montenegrin 10.95
12 English 11.07
13 Irish 11.53
14 Hungarian 11.64
15 Orcadian 11.65
16 Austrian 12.07
17 Italian 12.29
18 Slovenian 12.7
19 Scottish 12.72
20 Portuguese 12.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.8% French + 12.2% Mexican @ 2.64
2 91% French + 9% Colombian_B @ 2.7
3 67.5% South_German + 32.5% Brazilian @ 2.92
4 65% Utahn_White + 35% Brazilian @ 2.97
5 93.5% French + 6.5% Ecuadorian @ 2.98
6 57.6% English + 42.4% Brazilian @ 2.99
7 56.3% Orcadian + 43.7% Brazilian @ 3.08
8 54% Scottish + 46% Brazilian @ 3.15
9 56.6% Irish + 43.4% Brazilian @ 3.17
10 96.1% French + 3.9% Maya @ 3.18
11 88.6% French + 11.4% Puerto_Rican @ 3.25
12 77.6% French + 22.4% Brazilian @ 3.29
13 96.6% French + 3.4% Pima @ 3.3
14 52.8% North_German + 47.2% Brazilian @ 3.31
15 96.6% French + 3.4% Surui @ 3.31
16 96.5% French + 3.5% Colombian_A @ 3.32
17 96.7% French + 3.3% Karitiana @ 3.32
18 94.2% French + 5.8% Wolayta @ 3.42
19 51% Norwegian + 49% Brazilian @ 3.47
20 94.4% French + 5.6% Sandawe @ 3.58

[McCloskey]

This one has small SSA and Amerindian, probably a small admixture from colonial times (around 2-3%).

But he's a good representation of Whites in Southern Brazil who are not of fully immigrant ancestry.

[FilhoV]

Some of the SSA could be from Portuguese but full Portuguese score that or slightly less on K13 could be due to recombination

[Token]

Some of the SSA could be from Portuguese but full Portuguese score that or slightly less on K13 could be due to recombination

Portuguese typically score around 1% SSA on K13. Considering that he score a quite high amount of Amerindian and got less than 1/8 Portuguese ancestry, most of it certainly comes from African slaves.

[FilhoV]

Portuguese typically score around 1% SSA on K13. Considering that he score a quite high amount of Amerindian and got less than 1/8 Portuguese ancestry, most of it certainly comes from African slaves.

I’m not disagreeing with you as you mentioned the Amerindian % and the SSA which is without a doubt slave related as he is only 1/8th but on K13 I score 2.20 using 23&me kit and 1.97 on FTDNA data but you are right his is very high when I think of it


Do you think he is a good example of a Southern Brazilian? and also do you have any Brazilian kits or European ancestry? I have a 5th cousin match on Gedmatch from Florianopolis but he scores a tad more SSA and is overwhelming Iberian I’ll post his kit

[Token]

I’m not disagreeing with you as you mentioned the Amerindian % and the SSA which is without a doubt slave related as he is only 1/8th but on K13 I score 2.20 using 23&me kit and 1.97 on FTDNA data but you are right his is very high when I think of it

Do you think he is a good example of a Southern Brazilian? and also do you have any Brazilian kits or European ancestry? I have a 5th cousin match on Gedmatch from Florianopolis but he scores a tad more SSA and is overwhelming Iberian I’ll post his kit
He is very European, certainly more than the average white southerner. This is a fully colonial Brazilian kit, around 82% Portuguese when you subtracts the SSA that might come from his Portuguese side.


North_Atlantic 28.19
Baltic 10.74
West_Med 20.80
West_Asian 1.74
East_Med 16.08
Red_Sea 1.61
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.30
Amerindian 4.70
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.02
Sub-Saharan 13.82

1 Spanish_Extremadura 18.74
2 Portuguese 18.93
3 Spanish_Murcia 18.94
4 North_Italian 19.13
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 19.16
6 Spanish_Galicia 19.46
7 Spanish_Andalucia 19.53
8 Spanish_Cataluna 19.79
9 Spanish_Valencia 19.89
10 Tuscan 20.56
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 20.62
12 Spanish_Cantabria 21.01
13 Spanish_Aragon 21.67
14 Southwest_French 21.95
15 French 22.72
16 West_Sicilian 22.84
17 Bulgarian 23.31
18 Romanian 23.37
19 Serbian 23.41
20 Greek_Thessaly 23.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.4% Spanish_Murcia + 14.6% Yoruban @ 7.05
2 84.6% Spanish_Murcia + 15.4% Mandenka @ 7.07
3 84.5% North_Italian + 15.5% Mandenka @ 7.24
4 85.3% North_Italian + 14.7% Yoruban @ 7.26
5 84.3% Spanish_Murcia + 15.7% Bantu_S.W. @ 7.28
6 84.2% North_Italian + 15.8% Bantu_S.W. @ 7.32
7 84.1% Spanish_Murcia + 15.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 7.38
8 84% North_Italian + 16% Bantu_S.E. @ 7.38
9 84.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 15.7% Mandenka @ 7.58
10 85.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 14.3% Yoruban @ 7.6
11 84% Spanish_Valencia + 16% Mandenka @ 7.6
12 85.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 14.9% Yoruban @ 7.6
13 84.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 15.1% Mandenka @ 7.63
14 83.4% North_Italian + 16.6% Biaka_Pygmy @ 7.66
15 83.6% Spanish_Valencia + 16.4% Bantu_S.W. @ 7.67
16 83.4% Spanish_Valencia + 16.6% Bantu_S.E. @ 7.71
17 84.8% Spanish_Valencia + 15.2% Yoruban @ 7.72
18 84% Spanish_Andalucia + 16% Bantu_S.W. @ 7.74
19 83.6% Spanish_Murcia + 16.4% Biaka_Pygmy @ 7.75
20 84.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 15.4% Bantu_S.W. @ 7.79

[Erronkari]

Some of the SSA could be from Portuguese but full Portuguese score that or slightly less on K13 could be due to recombination

Is it normal for a mainlander portuguese score 2% SSA???

[FilhoV]

Is it normal for a mainlander portuguese score 2% SSA???

I’ve seen some usually less than 2% on K13

[Leto]

Portuguese typically score around 1% SSA on K13. Considering that he score a quite high amount of Amerindian and got less than 1/8 Portuguese ancestry, most of it certainly comes from African slaves.


Is it normal for a mainlander portuguese score 2% SSA???


I’ve seen some usually less than 2% on K13
The Northeast African on K13 is almost entirely Negroid as well. Eurogenes K7 and MDLP World are more informative in this regard.

[Erronkari]

I’ve seen some usually less than 2% on K13

Exactly, that 's what I thought. Thank you for your help!

[Joso]

This one has small SSA and Amerindian, probably a small admixture from colonial times (around 2-3%).

But he's a good representation of Whites in Southern Brazil who are not of fully immigrant ancestry.

Lots of white Southerners are still fully European, in the micro-region i live, the vast majority still speaks German

[Leto]

He is very European, certainly more than the average white southerner. This is a fully colonial Brazilian kit, around 82% Portuguese when you subtracts the SSA that might come from his Portuguese side.


North_Atlantic 28.19
Baltic 10.74
West_Med 20.80
West_Asian 1.74
East_Med 16.08
Red_Sea 1.61
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.30
Amerindian 4.70
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.02
Sub-Saharan 13.82

1 Spanish_Extremadura 18.74
2 Portuguese 18.93
3 Spanish_Murcia 18.94
4 North_Italian 19.13
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 19.16
6 Spanish_Galicia 19.46
7 Spanish_Andalucia 19.53
8 Spanish_Cataluna 19.79
9 Spanish_Valencia 19.89
10 Tuscan 20.56
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 20.62
12 Spanish_Cantabria 21.01
13 Spanish_Aragon 21.67
14 Southwest_French 21.95
15 French 22.72
16 West_Sicilian 22.84
17 Bulgarian 23.31
18 Romanian 23.37
19 Serbian 23.41
20 Greek_Thessaly 23.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.4% Spanish_Murcia + 14.6% Yoruban @ 7.05
2 84.6% Spanish_Murcia + 15.4% Mandenka @ 7.07
3 84.5% North_Italian + 15.5% Mandenka @ 7.24
4 85.3% North_Italian + 14.7% Yoruban @ 7.26
5 84.3% Spanish_Murcia + 15.7% Bantu_S.W. @ 7.28
6 84.2% North_Italian + 15.8% Bantu_S.W. @ 7.32
7 84.1% Spanish_Murcia + 15.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 7.38
8 84% North_Italian + 16% Bantu_S.E. @ 7.38
9 84.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 15.7% Mandenka @ 7.58
10 85.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 14.3% Yoruban @ 7.6
11 84% Spanish_Valencia + 16% Mandenka @ 7.6
12 85.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 14.9% Yoruban @ 7.6
13 84.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 15.1% Mandenka @ 7.63
14 83.4% North_Italian + 16.6% Biaka_Pygmy @ 7.66
15 83.6% Spanish_Valencia + 16.4% Bantu_S.W. @ 7.67
16 83.4% Spanish_Valencia + 16.6% Bantu_S.E. @ 7.71
17 84.8% Spanish_Valencia + 15.2% Yoruban @ 7.72
18 84% Spanish_Andalucia + 16% Bantu_S.W. @ 7.74
19 83.6% Spanish_Murcia + 16.4% Biaka_Pygmy @ 7.75
20 84.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 15.4% Bantu_S.W. @ 7.79
What about her? Just found the video on Youtube (I tend to look for new DNA videos from time to time). She says she is from the Northeast

https://youtu.be/yW-1fsd3ug4
83.5% European
5.9% East Asian & Native American
5.0% Western Asian & North African
2.3% Sub-Saharan African
3.3% unassigned

[Token]

What about her? Just found the video on Youtube (I tend to look for new DNA videos from time to time). She says she is from the Northeast

https://youtu.be/yW-1fsd3ug4
83.5% European
5.9% East Asian & Native American
5.0% Western Asian & North African
2.3% Sub-Saharan African
3.3% unassigned
Impressively high European for a northeasterner. According to recent studies, most white Northeasterners are no more than 70% European.

[Erronkari]

Impressively high European for a northeasterner. According to recent studies, most white Northeasterners are no more than 70% European.

Indeed she is at least 89% Euro, if we add the West Asian to the properly European, both are caucasoid.
She looks totally south-western european to me, and pass as well in Italy too.
I saw many people like her in Fortaleza.

[Token]

Indeed she is at least 89% Euro, if we add the West Asian to the properly European, both are caucasoid.
She looks totally south-western european to me, and pass as well in Italy too.
I saw many peope like her in Fortaleza.

Yeah, she looks pretty Portuguese to me.

[McCloskey]

Impressively high European for a northeasterner. According to recent studies, most white Northeasterners are no more than 70% European.

We must take these academic samples with a grain of salt; they test mostly poor people from public hospitals in big cities iirc. I don't think upper middle class people in Fortaleza are only 70% European on average and average White Southerner is 85%. To begin with, they never test the countryside and we know the countryside is much more European in many parts of Brazil. I've seen thousands of Brazilians in GEDmatch and also 23andme results, many were 90% + European.

[McCloskey]

We must take these academic samples with a grain of salt; they test mostly poor people from public hospitals in big cities iirc. I don't think upper middle class people in Fortaleza are only 70% European on average and average White Southerner is 85%. To begin with, they never test the countryside and we know the countryside is much more European in many parts of Brazil. I've seen thousands of Brazilians in GEDmatch and also 23andme results, many were 90% + European.

Complementing this post: I also think there are many more people predominantly Amerindian and African than what the studies show. According to most of these studies Brazilians are overwhelmingly Euro-Triracials, but I think it's true only for the suburbs of great cities. There are many communities which are quite different within the country.

[Token]

We must take these academic samples with a grain of salt; they test mostly poor people from public hospitals in big cities iirc. I don't think upper middle class people in Fortaleza are only 70% European on average and average White Southerner is 85%. To begin with, they never test the countryside and we know the countryside is much more European in many parts of Brazil. I've seen thousands of Brazilians in GEDmatch and also 23andme results, many were 90% + European.

Well, Upper Middle class people are a minority in Brazil anyway. The vast majority of Brazilians fall within the 'new' middle class category. Regardless, i'm skeptic regarding significant genetic differences between social classes here, i'd say the variation is more geographic than anything and strongly correlated to individual self-identification.

In Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina, i'd even go as far to say that lower classes are on average more European than upper classes. The opposite is probably true for Rio.

[Catarinense1998]

Interesting. I would like tô see more results of catarinenses here.

[McCloskey]

Well, Upper Middle class people are a minority in Brazil anyway. The vast majority of Brazilians fall within the 'new' middle class category. Regardless, i'm skeptic regarding significant genetic differences between social classes here, i'd say the variation is more geographic than anything and strongly correlated to individual self-identification.

In Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina, i'd even go as far to say that lower classes are on average more European than upper classes. The opposite is probably true for Rio.

I agree. I think the regions which were more affected by the so called ''herança colonial'' (like Rio and Northeast) are the ones in which the upper classes are more European. Regions of recent colonization tend to have lower classes sometimes even more European than the traditional colonial elite.

Because we know that even some members of elite mixed with Amerindians and Blacks. A good example is the Queen of Sweden, Silvia, who is part German and part colonial Paulista. Her family from São Paulo descends partially from Tibiriçá, an important Amerindian chief of the 16th century. So now even the Swedish royal family has Amerindian blood from this great hero.

[McCloskey]

Well, Upper Middle class people are a minority in Brazil anyway. The vast majority of Brazilians fall within the 'new' middle class category. Regardless, i'm skeptic regarding significant genetic differences between social classes here, i'd say the variation is more geographic than anything and strongly correlated to individual self-identification.

In Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina, i'd even go as far to say that lower classes are on average more European than upper classes. The opposite is probably true for Rio.

I agree. I think the regions which were more affected by the so called ''herança colonial'' (like Rio and Northeast) are the ones in which the upper classes are more European. Regions of recent colonization tend to have lower classes sometimes even more European than the traditional colonial elite.

Because we know that even some members of elite mixed with Amerindians and Blacks. A good example is the Queen of Sweden, Silvia, who is part German and part colonial Paulista. Her family from São Paulo descends partially from Tibiriçá, an important Amerindian chief of the 16th century. So now even the Swedish royal family has Amerindian blood from this great hero.

[Catarinense1998]

I agree. I think the regions which were more affected by the so called ''herança colonial'' (like Rio and Northeast) are the ones in which the upper classes are more European. Regions of recent colonization tend to have lower classes sometimes even more European than the traditional colonial elite.

Because we know that even some members of elite mixed with Amerindians and Blacks. A good example is the Queen of Sweden, Silvia, who is part German and part colonial Paulista. Her family from São Paulo descends partially from Tibiriçá, an important Amerindian chief of the 16th century. So now even the Swedish royal family has Amerindian blood from this great hero.

The elite class from here is not mixed and never was.

[Token]

I agree. I think the regions which were more affected by the so called ''herança colonial'' (like Rio and Northeast) are the ones in which the upper classes are more European. Regions of recent colonization tend to have lower classes sometimes even more European than the traditional colonial elite.

Because we know that even some members of elite mixed with Amerindians and Blacks. A good example is the Queen of Sweden, Silvia, who is part German and part colonial Paulista. Her family from São Paulo descends partially from Tibiriçá, an important Amerindian chief of the 16th century. So now even the Swedish royal family has Amerindian blood from this great hero.

That is classic for the elite paulistana. Most of them are descended from caboclos, fruits of bandeirantes mixing with Amerindians, but with a very strong recent European (particularly Italian) overlay. True colonial Paulistas are caipiras, who are also descended from bandeirantes but with a much smaller recent European admixture.

[Catarinense1998]

That is classic for the elite paulistana. Most of them are descended from caboclos, fruits of bandeirantes mixing with Amerindians, but with a very strong recent European (particularly Italian) overlay. True colonial Paulistas are caipiras, who are also descended from bandeirantes but with a much smaller recent European admixture.

What about the classic gaúcho? Caboclo?

[McCloskey]

The elite class from here is not mixed and never was.

Well, certainly some caboclo or mulato entered the elite at some point, they are maybe in denial... Anyway Santa Catarina doesn't have a traditional ''elite'' since it was a pretty much irrelevant state in the colonial and imperial times. The states in Brazil with important political elites are (in this order): São Paulo, Minas Gerais, Rio Grande do Sul, Bahia and Pernambuco. Rio the city is also important, but the state is an artifical and irrelevant creation.

[Token]

What about the classic gaúcho? Caboclo?

Yeah, gaúchos were initially caboclos and they still have a lot of typically Amerindian mtDNA, even after recent European immigrants assimilating into the culture made them pretty much whites.

[Catarinense1998]

Well, certainly some caboclo or mulato entered the elite at some point, they are maybe in denial... Anyway Santa Catarina doesn't have a traditional ''elite'' since it was a pretty much irrelevant state in the colonial and imperial times. The states in Brazil with important political elites are (in this order): São Paulo, Minas Gerais, Rio Grande do Sul, Bahia and Pernambuco. Rio the city is also important, but the state is an artifical and irrelevant creation.

We have some traditional families like Konder, Bornhausen, Ramos, Berger, Luz. But these ones are very restricted tô the provincial scenario. I agree about the irrelevant creation of RJ (state).

[Catarinense1998]

Yeah, gaúchos were initially caboclos and they still have a lot of typically Amerindian mtDNA, even after recent European immigrants assimilating into the culture made them pretty much whites.

Even among gauchos, the amerindian heritage is restricted tô female lineages? It is very common in any place on Brazil.

[Token]

Even among gauchos, the amerindian heritage is restricted tô female lineages? It is very common in any place on Brazil.

Yeah, i agree it is common everywhere, not only in Brazil but in every single Latin American country. Gaúchos have Amerindian mtDNA at the same levels as northeasterners anyway.

[Erronkari]

Even among gauchos, the amerindian heritage is restricted tô female lineages? It is very common in any place on Brazil.

Wow! Here is very similar that! Most frequent mitochondrials are B and D, which are amerindians.
My mitochondrial is native too, A2, and it's curious that I am 96/97% Euro.... nobody would have thought haha.