Anyone upload to DNAtribes?

[Gründig]

Has anyone uploaded to DNAtribes?

Is it worth it? how accurate was it for you?

[Congolese Rice]

is it free or do yu have 2 pay :)


:) :) :)

[Gründig]

is it free or do yu have 2 pay :)


:) :) :)

$50 or $40 if you give grandparent birth locations and ethnicities.

[Peterski]

I did for myself + both parents and it was quite accurate for us. Interesting at least.

[Congolese Rice]

$50 or $40 if you give grandparent birth locations and ethnicities.

ohah, i knew it was too good to be true </3 XD

[Gründig]

I did for myself + both parents and it was quite accurate for us. Interesting at least.

Did getting the results take long?

[Peterski]

Did getting the results take long?

No, a few days.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Its interesting. I would say its a bit more insightfull for what you really likely are mixed with or is very similar too. Much better than the other DNA testing companies. As 23andme keeps labeling almost 20 percent of dna broadly southern european when I know theres at least 10 percent mena in there. It gets my mena pretty accurate like ftdna and ancestry. It has much more ethnic groups to compare too than the others

[Gründig]

Its interesting. I would say its a bit more insightfull for what you really likely are mixed with or is very similar too. Much better than the other DNA testing companies. As 23andme keeps labeling almost 20 percent of dna broadly southern european when I know theres at least 10 percent mena in there. It gets my mena pretty accurate like ftdna and ancestry. It has much more ethnic groups to compare too than the others

are you talking about the actual test?

meaning, i would only be uploading my 23andme raw data.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

are you talking about the actual test?

meaning, i would only be uploading my 23andme raw data.I uploaded. Not the str

[Gründig]

Bump

[oszkar07]

$50 or $40 if you give grandparent birth locations and ethnicities.

isnt it kind of cheating if you give them your background eethnicity's.

I like to see what the calc works out without any bias.

[Slavic Italian]

isnt it kind of cheating if you give them your background eethnicity's.

I like to see what the calc works out without any bias.

I never gave them mine and they did a great job.

[Gründig]

isnt it kind of cheating if you give them your background eethnicity's.

I like to see what the calc works out without any bias.

They say they don't use it, but that is true.

[Gründig]

Bump

[Gründig]

Bump

[Gründig]

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[DarkWater]

I'm interested in it, but haven't yet

[Gründig]

I'm interested in it, but haven't yet

I actually had it recommended by Lm genetics.

[DarkWater]

Really? Did he give reasons?
Did you do the LM k36?

[Gründig]

Really? Did he give reasons?
Did you do the LM k36?

I did and no he didn't. I just asked if he suggested any others and he said the DNAtribes snp upload.

[Rgvgjhvv]

I'm gonna try this out and can let you know lol

[DarkWater]

I did and no he didn't. I just asked if he suggested any others and he said the DNAtribes snp upload.

What were your closest regions is that LM k36?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Wait they don't take MyHeritage raw data do they?

[Gründig]

What were your closest regions is that LM k36?

Alot of dutch (I asked him about this and he mentioned it being a typical midpoint).

But without dutch or Belgium: bayern, west german and swiss german were my closest. Followed by a mixture of northern places like northern Germany and Scandinavia.

I would have to say Bayern popped up the most though.

[Gründig]

Wait they don't take MyHeritage raw data do they?

I have no idea. If the website doesn't say, email them. They responded to me relatively quickly.

[Evagoras]

I think you will find that the DNATribes is useful if you have $40 or $50 to spare. Don't expect it to be entirely accurate as it depends on their algorithm and the accuracy of their reference panel. If they start using data from those who've declared that all four grandparents are from a certain area (in order to get the cheaper rate), this may upset the accuracy. But as I say, it's a useful extra bit of info.

[Gründig]

I'm gonna try this out and can let you know lol

Please do

[Gründig]

I think you will find that the DNATribes is useful if you have $40 or $50 to spare. Don't expect it to be entirely accurate as it depends on their algorithm and the accuracy of their reference panel. If they start using data from those who've declared that all four grandparents are from a certain area (in order to get the cheaper rate), this may upset the accuracy. But as I say, it's a useful extra bit of info.

Have you done it?

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes I've done DNAtribes. I've used quite a few dna testing companies.

[DarkWater]

Yes I've done DNAtribes. I've used quite a few dna testing companies.

What are you favorite conpanies?

[Grace O'Malley]

What are you favorite conpanies?

It depends on what you're looking for. They all are informative in their way. I think something like DNATribes might be showing you something more like deep ancestry and will show results in different tables. I do know my ancestry very well so it depends on what you want to know. I've had mtdna FMS done at FTDNA as well as the Big Y for my brother. These sort of tests are more for longevity as some day I hope someone will get the Big Y so that I might possibly move closer to surnames. At present my brother's Ydna is still stuck at a subclade that is around a 1,000 years old.

To answer your question for autosomal dna I'm leaning more towards Ancestry and that is because of their Genetic Communities which I'm sure will get even more refined in the coming years. If you want overall autosomal dna but also want to have an idea of your ydna and mtdna then 23andMe. I'm also hoping that once LivingDNA get more world samples they will improve. At present they don't have enough samples outside of Britain. But yes I've done virtually every dna test. :)

[Gründig]

Yes I've done DNAtribes. I've used quite a few dna testing companies.

How were your results? Accurate? Worth doing?

[Kaspias]

It depends on what you're looking for. They all are informative in their way. I think something like DNATribes might be showing you something more like deep ancestry and will show results in different tables. I do know my ancestry very well so it depends on what you want to know. I've had mtdna FMS done at FTDNA as well as the Big Y for my brother. These sort of tests are more for longevity as some day I hope someone will get the Big Y so that I might possibly move closer to surnames. At present my brother's Ydna is still stuck at a subclade that is around a 1,000 years old.

To answer your question for autosomal dna I'm leaning more towards Ancestry and that is because of their Genetic Communities which I'm sure will get even more refined in the coming years. If you want overall autosomal dna but also want to have an idea of your ydna and mtdna then 23andMe. I'm also hoping that once LivingDNA get more world samples they will improve. At present they don't have enough samples outside of Britain. But yes I've done virtually every dna test. :)


I did with MyHeritage then i uploaded raw data to FTDNA, bot of them was not accurate for me.

What do you think about them?

[Grace O'Malley]

I did with MyHeritage then i uploaded raw data to FTDNA, bot of them was not accurate for me.

What do you think about them?

I think for autosomal dna MyHeritage and FTDNA are not the best. FTDNA is really best for things like ydna and mtdna. Although whether you get your dna done at either company you still get your raw dna which can be downloaded and look at my third party dna sites like Gedmatch.

[Grace O'Malley]

How were your results? Accurate? Worth doing?

These are some of my tables from DNATribes.

http://i64.tinypic.com/2rwnf4k.jpg http://i66.tinypic.com/102jhbr.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/es701t.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/2zi8m5g.jpg

Table 5 showing my no 1 match as Ireland is correct. All my dna tests are basically similar and show similar influences.

EDIT: Table 2 is actually my daughter's and not mine. Here is my Table 2: I just noticed because her Mesoamerican was lower than mine.

http://i64.tinypic.com/ayrmza.jpg

[Gründig]

These are some of my tables from DNATribes.

http://i64.tinypic.com/2rwnf4k.jpg http://i66.tinypic.com/102jhbr.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/es701t.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/2zi8m5g.jpg

Table 5 showing my no 1 match as Ireland is correct. All my dna tests are basically similar and show similar influences.

Thanks for sharing.

Did results take long?

[Grace O'Malley]

Thanks for sharing.

Did results take long?

No they are very quick. I think mine took under 24 hours.

[Rgvgjhvv]

These are some of my tables from DNATribes.

http://i64.tinypic.com/2rwnf4k.jpg http://i66.tinypic.com/102jhbr.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/es701t.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/2zi8m5g.jpg

Table 5 showing my no 1 match as Ireland is correct. All my dna tests are basically similar and show similar influences.

EDIT: Table 2 is actually my daughter's and not mine. Here is my Table 2: I just noticed because her Mesoamerican was lower than mine.

http://i64.tinypic.com/ayrmza.jpg

What do you make of the 73% Denmark population mixture?

[Grace O'Malley]

What do you make of the 73% Denmark population mixture?

I queried them about it and they said:

The population admixture should be interpreted with caution, as a number of populations may stand in as general approximations for Northwestern European heritage.

Denmark, England and Ireland share a huge number of genetic signatures, thus, as is shown in your populations admixture, while Denmark provides a slightly better fit for you, when it is removed from the population list, Ireland comes in into your admixture the highest (Iteration 2 in your output). This does not contradict your predominately Irish heritage (your top match is with Ireland, when each population is considered separately), but rather points to how difficult it is to differentiate between closely genetically related populations.

[Rgvgjhvv]

I queried them about it and they said:

The population admixture should be interpreted with caution, as a number of populations may stand in as general approximations for Northwestern European heritage.

Denmark, England and Ireland share a huge number of genetic signatures, thus, as is shown in your populations admixture, while Denmark provides a slightly better fit for you, when it is removed from the population list, Ireland comes in into your admixture the highest (Iteration 2 in your output). This does not contradict your predominately Irish heritage (your top match is with Ireland, when each population is considered separately), but rather points to how difficult it is to differentiate between closely genetically related populations.

Hmm, interesting.

[Grace O'Malley]

Hmm, interesting.

It's not an unusual situation for myself as I usually cluster between the British Isles and Scandinavia. A few years ago Davidsky commented on this when he looked at my dna so getting Denmark as my no 1 wasn't a huge issue for me but not getting Ireland in my admixture result was so that's why I queried it as my daughter did get Ireland in her admixture result but the main thing is that Ireland was my no 1 match in Table 5. Northwestern Europeans do cluster fairly tightly together anyway and anyone looking at Gedmatch can see that you can get different Northwest Euro countries as you no 1 pop depending on the calculator. My No 1 pop on Eurogenes K13 is North Dutch and on the K15 it is Ireland. This appears to be more applicable to Northwestern Europe than other areas I've noticed.

[Rgvgjhvv]

It's not an unusual situation for myself as I usually cluster between the British Isles and Scandinavia. A few years ago Davidsky commented on this when he looked at my dna so getting Denmark as my no 1 wasn't a huge issue for me but not getting Ireland in my admixture result was so that's why I queried it as my daughter did get Ireland in her admixture result but the main thing is that Ireland was my no 1 match in Table 5. Northwestern Europeans do cluster fairly tightly together anyway and anyone looking at Gedmatch can see that you can get different Northwest Euro countries as you no 1 pop depending on the calculator. My No 1 pop on Eurogenes K13 is North Dutch and on the K15 it is Ireland. This appears to be more applicable to Northwestern Europe than other areas I've noticed.

So they're not implying you have distant ancestry from Denmark or anything?

[Grace O'Malley]

So they're not implying you have distant ancestry from Denmark or anything?

No. I know my ancestry really well and all my ancestry is Irish since the late 1700s. You would wonder why I bother getting dna tests? :) I'm really interested in population genetics though and also things like deeper ancestry so Bell Beakers etc really interest me.

I've seen enough results of other people and had enough tests myself and also family members to understand the tests fairly well. My results across a lot of tests are fairly constant though and I always plot between the British Isles and Scandinavia but I think this is not unusual for quite a few Irish people especially from my family's areas. It's most likely just being very Northwest European. On some of those simple calculators and tests I get like 98.5 Northwestern European. :)

[Gründig]

These are some of my tables from DNATribes.

http://i64.tinypic.com/2rwnf4k.jpg http://i66.tinypic.com/102jhbr.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/es701t.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/2zi8m5g.jpg

Table 5 showing my no 1 match as Ireland is correct. All my dna tests are basically similar and show similar influences.

EDIT: Table 2 is actually my daughter's and not mine. Here is my Table 2: I just noticed because her Mesoamerican was lower than mine.

http://i64.tinypic.com/ayrmza.jpg

What is the Mesoamerican and pima Mexico?

[Gründig]

Well i sent the money, ill see how accurate the results are.

[Slavic Italian]

How were your results? Accurate? Worth doing?

Worth it bro. Remember they are going much further back than the other companies. You might get some surprises.

[Grace O'Malley]

Well i sent the money, ill see how accurate the results are.

Let us know what they are and we can discuss.

[Grace O'Malley]

What is the Mesoamerican and pima Mexico?

Amerindian. I usually get some Amerindian on tests. In my case it is likely just some ANE similarity.

[Gründig]

Let us know what they are and we can discuss.

I Will! They said it will be ready by this up coming Thursday. Hopefully it's done sooner. I'm assuming a couple days are added on because of the weekend or may be there just busy.

[Grace O'Malley]

I Will! They said it will be ready by this up coming Thursday. Hopefully it's done sooner. I'm assuming a couple days are added on because of the weekend or may be there just busy.

Yes it's because of the weekend.

[Gründig]

Yes it's because of the weekend.

I got my results.

Honestly very disappointed. Maybe it's because of the V5 23andme chip I used? But the results were horrendously inaccurate. It seemed to be on par with DNA.land for me which was very very off.

It is interesting how different some of these companies can be using the same raw data. I understand companies use different populations etc but it's crazy how the results sometimes aren't even close to each other.

For example, these all placed me in very similar locations:

23andme, while not being as specific, was the most accurate. It had all the countries and percentages spot on.

LM genetics (using K36 results) was most accurate in terms of more precise locations (within a country etc). He also started running people through the dodecad but with using his K36 results. Interesting and once again placed me amongst pretty accurate locations.

The other gedmatch calculators were hit or miss but a handful of them such as K13, K15, PUNTdnal etc had their accurate parts.

Those map placement things were also very accurate where you type in the K15/K36 and it plots you on a heat map, another gives you longitude latitude etc.


But tests like DNAtribes or DNA.land seem to have a problem properly reading the data because the results are VERY different.

[Slavic Italian]

I got my results.

Honestly very disappointed. Maybe it's because of the V5 23andme chip I used? But the results were horrendously inaccurate. It seemed to be on par with DNA.land for me which was very very off.

It is interesting how different some of these companies can be using the same raw data. I understand companies use different populations etc but it's crazy how the results sometimes aren't even close to each other.

For example, these all placed me in very similar locations:

23andme, while not being as specific, was the most accurate. It had all the countries and percentages spot on.

LM genetics (using K36 results) was most accurate in terms of more precise locations (within a country etc). He also started running people through the dodecad but with using his K36 results. Interesting and once again placed me amongst pretty accurate locations.

The other gedmatch calculators were hit or miss but a handful of them such as K13, K15, PUNTdnal etc had their accurate parts.

Those map placement things were also very accurate where you type in the K15/K36 and it plots you on a heat map, another gives you longitude latitude etc.


But tests like DNAtribes or DNA.land seem to have a problem properly reading the data because the results are VERY different.

You do not know anything about your roots a thousand years ago. Tribes does deep ancestry. LM Genetics does recent ancestry which is why you are pleased with their results. You are familiar with them.

[Gründig]

You do not know anything about your roots a thousand years ago. Tribes does deep ancestry. LM Genetics does recent ancestry which is why you are pleased with their results. You are familiar with them.

They claim they do but thats just nonsense. These tests are going back to the same time frame.

[Slavic Italian]

They claim they do but thats just nonsense. These tests are going back to the same time frame.

I disagree. Who are your top ten countries?

[Thracian]

I disagree. Who are your top ten countries?

Do you think that you have accurate result in your top 10? I got very weird countries in my top 10.

[Slavic Italian]

Do you think that you have accurate result in your top 10? I got very weird countries in my top 10.

I think they did well especially considering my top five are all red. Many of my top ten are Slavic and Germany is represented.

Rank Population Map Area
1 Slovakia Europe
2 Russia Voronezh Europe
3 Czech Europe
4 Germany Europe
5 Slovenia Europe
7 Poland Europe
8 Netherlands Europe
9 England Europe
10 Hungary Europe

[Thracian]

I think they did well especially considering my top five are all red. Many of my top ten are Slavic and Germany is represented.

Rank Population Map Area
1 Slovakia Europe
2 Russia Voronezh Europe
3 Czech Europe
4 Germany Europe
5 Slovenia Europe
7 Poland Europe
8 Netherlands Europe
9 England Europe
10 Hungary Europe

Oh, I see. Mine is not too bad but as I said I have weird countries in my top 10 such as Belgium. Here is my list,

78904

[Evagoras]

Have you done it?

I have obtained the DNATribes report, by submitting raw data to them, and found it interesting though LM Genetics report (based on Eurogenes K36) is cheaper, more detailed and perhaps more accurate.

[PurpleSlander]

I got my results.

Honestly very disappointed. Maybe it's because of the V5 23andme chip I used? But the results were horrendously inaccurate. It seemed to be on par with DNA.land for me which was very very off.

It is interesting how different some of these companies can be using the same raw data. I understand companies use different populations etc but it's crazy how the results sometimes aren't even close to each other.

For example, these all placed me in very similar locations:

23andme, while not being as specific, was the most accurate. It had all the countries and percentages spot on.

LM genetics (using K36 results) was most accurate in terms of more precise locations (within a country etc). He also started running people through the dodecad but with using his K36 results. Interesting and once again placed me amongst pretty accurate locations.

The other gedmatch calculators were hit or miss but a handful of them such as K13, K15, PUNTdnal etc had their accurate parts.

Those map placement things were also very accurate where you type in the K15/K36 and it plots you on a heat map, another gives you longitude latitude etc.


But tests like DNAtribes or DNA.land seem to have a problem properly reading the data because the results are VERY different.

DNA.land was so bad for me. Now I'm reconsidering if I will do DNAtribes. What was your closes region in LM Gentics k36?

[Slavic Italian]

Oh, I see. Mine is not too bad but as I said I have weird countries in my top 10 such as Belgium. Here is my list,

78904

You have to take into consideration some of the empires and the different migrations due to them.

[Slavic Italian]

DNA.land was so bad for me. Now I'm reconsidering if I will do DNAtribes. What was your closes region in LM Gentics k36?

DNAland is not good. It's average.

[PurpleSlander]

DNAland is not good. It's average.

It all depends on what you want to hear. People don't like when dna results make them feel dissonant. If their results are more mixed and "ancient" than the other companies then everyone will think they suck

[Slavic Italian]

It all depends on what you want to hear. People don't like when dna results make them feel dissonant. If their results are more mixed and "ancient" than the other companies then everyone will think they suck

That's not quite the case. They are simply not very good. Your ancestry is what it is. Some of these companies provide you with four or five ethnicities. There are very few pure people out there. Most people are mixed and if you take into consideration all the centuries of migrations most people are ten percent this and that. Not 40,30, and 30 of three ethnicities. The purest I have seen on my list are Finns. Even most Russians I match with are mixed. Many Asians are not mixed or have just one or two ethnicities but in the west we are mixed.