Hellenes, Persians descend from Sumer

[Bosniensis]

Sumer is the oldest and the most advanced civilization in Ancient History, a civilization from whom many other civilization took the most after it's demise.

Sumer influenced: Persian Civilization, Egyptian Civilization and Hellenic Civilization.

First Sumer rulers are evidented from 20.000 B.C. or even longer

Here is the list of rulers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_King_List

Not that they influenced culturally but in fact later Persian, Hellenic and Semitic people are descendants of Sumer and Japhetic, Hamitic and Semitic people.

Sumerian Civilization that existed from aprox 20.000 B.C to 2000 B.C. is closely related to IJ Haplogroup. Why?

Because IJ Haplogroup originated between 40k - 30k B.C. and Sumerians were holders of all those IJ mutations in their period until
difference became to huge that scientists divided them into I branches and J branches of people.

I1 and I2 branches of people latter settled empty Europe and became known as Proto-Europeans
J1 were Semitic people who settled in Arabia
J2 went into Anatolia and Persia and latter became early Greko-Persian world.
E1b people are Northern Africans who became part of Hellenic world around 6000 B.C. (some assume according to Cultural developments)

Out of certain I2 and J2 people Hellenic world emerged and out of Certain J2 groups Persian world emerged.

But all of them are children of Ancient Sumerians.


DO PEOPLE NOW UNDERSTAND WHY R1a and R1b haplogroups are not related to Hellenic Roman and Persian world?

[Pribislav]

Sumer people were probably predominantly J1.

[Freeroostah]

I've heard a theory that Pelasgians-Sumerians-Dravinians were one people or at least belonged in the sane civilization
I'll try to find the source

[Bosniensis]

Sumer people were probably predominantly J1.

Persians are direct successors of Sumerians and they are J2.

Sumerian Empire existed 20.000 B.C through direct line, while Myths goes as far as 36.000 B.C.

They represent first serious Empire on Earth.

IJ Haplogroup as I said was Theirs... therefore (I1, I2, J1, J2)

All Proto Europeans and Proto MENA people descend from Sumerians.

IJ was the major haplogoup not J1 (that one came later) about 15.000 years ago.

[Pribislav]

Persians are direct successors of Sumerians and they are J2.

Sumerian Empire existed 20.000 B.C through direct line, while Myths goes as far as 36.000 B.C.

They represent first serious Empire on Earth.

IJ Haplogroup as I said was Theirs... therefore (I1, I2, J1, J2)

All Proto Europeans and Proto MENA people descend from Sumerians.

IJ was the major haplogoup not J1 (that one came later) about 15.000 years ago.

I and J were serarated + 40 000 years.

I haplogroup is weak among ethnic Persians.

Persian Y DNA
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7351c5a9b0044040c467dd27ae86b121

[Bosniensis]

I and J were serarated + 40 000 years.

I haplogroup is weak among ethnic Persians.
Persian Y DNA
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7351c5a9b0044040c467dd27ae86b121

I wrote I instead of J also take a look at I1b, I1c etc..

Count all I and J among the Persians.. It's all Sumerian = 40,73%

Those R1 are Indo European STEPPE PEOPLE who came later through wars, migrations etc...

(Those migrations are explained in Persian Book named Shahnameh)

I and J can't be separated 40k years ago cause IJ was formed 40k years ago according to wiki.

[Livin]

Bobby marten seems a Normal person comparing with you...!

Congrats you won the trophy of the biggest troll here...

[Bosniensis]

Bobby marten seems a Normal person comparing with you...!

Congrats you won the trophy of the biggest troll here...

Well you must counter-argument my argument to appear Smart.

"You are troll" comment is worthless without argument.

[Livin]

Well you must counter-argument my argument to appear Smart.

"You are troll" comment is worthless without argument.

I thought you were a serious poster but sadly I was wrong...!

Before some days the Scythian-Slavs and now this....pfffd dude you are bored as fuck!

[Pahli]

Sumerians might actually be descendants of Chalcolithic Iranians from West Iran, they are unrelated to Persians because they were gone by the time the Persians came to existence, as for haplos, they'd probably be a mix of mostly J and G, and minor Is.

[Bosniensis]

Sumerians might actually be descendants of Chalcolithic Iranians from West Iran, they are unrelated to Persians because they were gone by the time the Persians came to existence, as for haplos, they'd probably be a mix of mostly J and G, and minor Is.

Iran = Iranshahr/Ērānshahr = Persia

Why do you observe Iranians as different to Persians lol ? :)

https://i.imgur.com/NeH4z50.png

[Pahli]

Iran = Iranshahr/Ērānshahr = Persia

Why do you observe Iranians as different to Persians lol ? :)

Because "Iranians" is a general term for all Iranian people, renaming Persia to Iran was a stupid idea tbh.

I don't observe them differently.

[Bosniensis]

Because "Iranians" is a general term for all Iranian people, renaming Persia to Iran was a stupid idea tbh.

I don't observe them differently.

But Persians called themselves Iranians not Persians. Parthia is a region in Iran.

https://i.imgur.com/NeH4z50.png

[Pahli]

But Persians called themselves Iranians not Persians. Parthia is a region in Iran.

https://i.imgur.com/NeH4z50.png

Eranshahr was an empire, it doesn't exist anymore, so I don't see the point of using that title / name.

[Bosniensis]

Eranshahr was an empire, it doesn't exist anymore, so I don't see the point of using that title / name.

Well we both Agree that Persians are Iranians let's not complicate further :D

[Aren]

Sumer people were probably predominantly J1.

Impossible to know since we don't have Sumerian aDNA.

[Bosniensis]

Back OT.

How R1 came to Persia, Anatolia and Balkans.

Both Arabs, Persians and Romans considered those people "Gog and Magog" i.e. Steppe people

Persians and Romans were quite afraid of those people that hey cooperated in defense of their territories together.

Walls of Alexander and Gates of Alexander and Great Wall of Gorgan was Roman - Persian initiative to defend their peoples from Gog and Magog (R1) people.

With Destruction of Roman Empire and Persian Empire in Mutual Romano-Persian destruction, R1 people entered Both Europe and Persia.

Those wars are not the first in this matter, book named Shahnameh explained Steppe - Persians wars again. Namely White Divs from North (Steppe people) and Persian hero Rostam defending his homeland.

Romans fought Germans and Slavs 700+ years defending Europe.

But there is nobody today to write how it really was... Political Correctness will make us all blind, deaf and forgotten.

[Babak]

MOre like direct descendants of elamites

[Chroma]

You know who also descended from ancient Sumer?

Abraham and his followers and, by extension, all of real jewry. I am not counting the Khazarian ‘Ashkenazi’ mutts that are LARP’ing as jews with the actual Jews.

By the way, Genesis describes that only Noah, who was on Earth before Abraham, survived the flood. Do you know where I think Noah came from? The Tarim Basin of Northern China.

Only concrete, objective, factual information matters.

[Smeagol]

Such a stupid thread. OP has zero knowledge of history or anything else.

[Chroma]

Sumer is the oldest and the most advanced civilization in Ancient History, a civilization from whom many other civilization took the most after it's demise.

Sumer influenced: Persian Civilization, Egyptian Civilization and Hellenic Civilization.

First Sumer rulers are evidented from 20.000 B.C. or even longer

Here is the list of rulers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_King_List

Not that they influenced culturally but in fact later Persian, Hellenic and Semitic people are descendants of Sumer and Japhetic, Hamitic and Semitic people.

Sumerian Civilization that existed from aprox 20.000 B.C to 2000 B.C. is closely related to IJ Haplogroup. Why?

Because IJ Haplogroup originated between 40k - 30k B.C. and Sumerians were holders of all those IJ mutations in their period until
difference became to huge that scientists divided them into I branches and J branches of people.

I1 and I2 branches of people latter settled empty Europe and became known as Proto-Europeans
J1 were Semitic people who settled in Arabia
J2 went into Anatolia and Persia and latter became early Greko-Persian world.
E1b people are Northern Africans who became part of Hellenic world around 6000 B.C. (some assume according to Cultural developments)

Out of certain I2 and J2 people Hellenic world emerged and out of Certain J2 groups Persian world emerged.

But all of them are children of Ancient Sumerians.


DO PEOPLE NOW UNDERSTAND WHY R1a and R1b haplogroups are not related to Hellenic Roman and Persian world?

Based on concrete, objective, factual evidence, I'd say that blood group A and B spread from Sumer. Why? Because blood group A and B developed due to agricultural diets being so high in carbohydrates. Bloodgroup O is the bloodgroup of the hunter gatherer; the blood group of someone who is supposed to eat protein and fat. First, the Cro Magnon-like Yamnaha humans spread into Europe and brought bloodgroup O, haplogroup R1 and Rh-negative blood. Afterwards, the Sumerians and its relatives spread into Europe and brought other haplogroups, bloodgroup A and B and Rh-positive blood.

These civilisations all descend from Sumer:

- Hebrews (Abraham was from Ur)
- Greeks
- Persians
- etc.

[Chroma]

I've heard a theory that Pelasgians-Sumerians-Dravinians were one people or at least belonged in the sane civilization
I'll try to find the source

Regarding the Dravidians, the Aryans that came into India as described in the Rig Vedas (origins of the term Aryan) closely resemble the migration patterns of the Cromagnid Yuezhi people, who are confirmed R1, who were driven from Eastern-China.