Why is hg. EV-13 unfavorable for you?

[MiloshN]

I see here, some guys don't like EV13 hg. what is reason?

[Ülev]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?106641-Noteworthy-Europeans-with-YDNA-Haplogroup-E1b1b

[Freeroostah]

They are jealous :)

[Livin]

It’s a great haplo and very old in Europe!

I wouldn’t mind if I had it.

[EdwardS]

Because Hitler and Kosovar Albanians!

[Gangrel]

The Somalian pirate haplogroup.

[Pribislav]

I see here, some guys don't like EV13 hg. what is reason?

Код Срба је омражена зато што је асоцирају са Шиптарима.

[Bosniensis]

I2 and J2 are the oldest in Europe, those brought culture.

E1b mixed with those two very long ago ... somewhere 6000 B.C. It's North African Haplogroup and all E variants are African.

Nordicist despise North Africans, yet Hellenes, Persians etc.. loved to trade and work with those people cause they were very advanced.

[Pribislav]

I2 and J2 are the oldest in Europe, those brought culture.

E1b mixed with those two very long ago ... somewhere 6000 B.C. It's North African Haplogroup and all E variants are African.

Nordicist despise North Africans, yet Hellenes, Persians etc.. loved to trade and work with those people cause they were very advanced.

I is the oldsest, not J.

J is present in Europe less than E.

[Bosniensis]

I is the oldsest, not J.

J is present in Europe less than E.

J is present in Entire Europe while E only in Greece.

J2a is Italian and Anatolian hellenic haplogroup

E is more concentrated by %, while you can find 20% of J2 almost everywhere in Europe and Anatolia except those Northern countries.

I believe there is more J than E in Total.

[Pribislav]

J is present in Entire Europe while E only in Greece.

J2a is Italian and Anatolian hellenic haplogroup

E is more concentrated by %, while you can find 20% of J2 almost everywhere in Europe and Anatolia except those Northern countries.

I believe there is more J than E in Total.

What "Italian" means?
Italic people (aka Romans) were pred. R1b-U152.
J2 and E-V13 were present in southern Italy in ancient time due to Greek and Phoenician colonies.

[Bosniensis]

What "Italian" means?
Italic people (aka Romans) were pred. R1b-U152.
J2a anf E-V13 were present in southern Italy in ancient time due to Greek and Phoenician colonies.

Romans were exclusively J2a as Anatolians, because it is universally accepted Fact that Romans are Anatolians.

Etruscans are Anatolians
Southern Italians are Anatolians

That fact can't even be challenged because it's written all over the place in ALL Hellenic historical scriptures written by Strabon, Herodotus etc...

If R1b was Major Haplogroup in Anatolia I would have agreed with you, but it isn't.

R1b came with Lombards, Franks, Normans, Vandals and others who Destroyed both ROMAN J2a people and Celtic I2 people.

[Pribislav]

@ Bosniensis

Italy was created in 1861.

When you say that something is "Italian" keep that in mind.

[Bosniensis]

@ Bosniensis

Italy was created in 1861.

When you say that something is "Italian" keep that in mind.

Those are steppe people from Western Ukraine and Russia. Ostrogothes aka Ostrhungi

Goths founded two great kingdoms, — that of the Ostro-Goths, or Greu'.hungi, east of the Dnieper, and that of the Visi-Goths, oj Thervingi

later Conquered Western Roman Empire.

They were R1 people

Emperor Manuel II Komnenos from 12th century said: "I will eradicate those barbarians and germanic people from Italy"

He gathered as much as he could Roman Army but failed to invade for many reasons.

Roman Empire is J2, I2 and E1 v13 nothing else.

[Pribislav]

Romans were exclusively J2a as Anatolians, because it is universally accepted Fact that Romans are Anatolians.

Etruscans are Anatolians
Southern Italians are Anatolians

That fact can't even be challenged because it's written all over the place in ALL Hellenic historical scriptures written by Strabon, Herodotus etc...

If R1b was Major Haplogroup in Anatolia I would have agreed with you, but it isn't.

R1b came with Lombards, Franks, Normans, Vandals and others who Destroyed both ROMAN J2a people and Celtic I2 people.

Italics were IE people originated from Yamna culture.

Italics were predominantly R1b-U152.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/IE_expansion.png

[Kelmendasi]

What "Italian" means?
Italic people (aka Romans) were pred. R1b-U152.
J2 and E-V13 were present in southern Italy in ancient time due to Greek and Phoenician colonies.
I think that saying that J2 and E-V13 were present in Italy because of Greek and Phoenician colonies is wrong. J2a clades in Italy seem to have been spread during the Neolithic and Bronze Age and so they are older, E-V13 was also probably present in Italic people’s since it was picked up by many IE groups

[Bosniensis]

Italics were IE people originated from Yamna culture.

Italics were predominantly R1b-U152.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/IE_expansion.png

Those Indo-Europeans destroyed Both Roman Empire and Persian Empire

There is no such thing as Indo-European origins, they are EAST ASIAN people.

Roman and Persian civilization descend from Ancient IRAQ and SYRIA

That's why Romans built a temple of Bel in Syria because Bel was their ancient Diety

THOSE WHO LIE TODAY namely all Germanic and Steppe people LIE about everything.

You can't hear truth from them, they DESTROYED HELLENIC EUROPE. of course they will LIE.

[Pribislav]

I think that saying that J2 and E-V13 were present in Italy because of Greek and Phoenician colonies is wrong. J2a clades in Italy seem to have been spread during the Neolithic and Bronze Age and so they are older, E-V13 was also probably present in Italic people’s since it was picked up by many IE groups

Do you agree with me that Italics/proto-Italics people were pred. R1b?

I think that they were mostly R1b-U152 with G2a-L497 and maybe some others haplogroup minority.
Even today R1b-U152 is the strongest haplogroup in Italy.

J2 and E1b probably is not only from Greek and Phoenician colonies, but also from Etruscans.
Al of them Greeks, Phoenicians and Etruscans which lived in Italy were conquered by Italics and later assimilated.

[Kelmendasi]

Do you agree with me that Italics/proto-Italics people were pred. R1b?

I think that they were mostly R1b-U152 with G2a-L497 and maybe some others haplogroup minority.
Even today R1b-U152 is the strongest haplogroup in Italy.

J2 and E1b probably is not only from Greek and Phoenician colonies, but also from Etruscans.
Al of them Greeks, Phoenicians and Etruscans which lived in Italy were conquered by Italics and later assimilated.
Yh Italic people’s were mainly R1b-U152. They may have carried certain E-V13 clades in smaller numbers I think. G2a-L497 would seem possible as it has a link to the Celts, especially Hallstatt, and Celtic supposedly forms an IE branch with Italic. Etruscans and when they came to Italy is still a mystery, I have seen certain people claim that they came after the IE peoples had moved into Italy. I believe Etruscans would’ve mainly carried J2a clades

[Pribislav]

Yh Italic people’s were mainly R1b-U152. They may have carried certain E-V13 clades in smaller numbers I think. G2a-L497 would seem possible as it has a link to the Celts, especially Hallstatt, and Celtic supposedly forms an IE branch with Italic. Etruscans and when they came to Italy is still a mystery, I have seen certain people claim that they came after the IE peoples had moved into Italy. I believe Etruscans would’ve mainly carried J2a clades

Bosniensis don't want to accept the fact that R1a and R1b haplogroups were present among ancient people such as: Romans, Thracians, ancient Greeks, Illyrians, Persians, Hittites...
According to Bosniensis R1a and R1b came to Europe from central Asia in 5th century.
For him ancient people were only I2a and J2, and nothing else.

Italics were predominantly R1b-U152.
Aryans which conquered India were R1a-Z93.
Proto-Greeks were probably some eastern branch of R1b.
There are opinions that Minoans were R1a.
Hittites were probably predominantly R1b.
It's posible that proto-Thracians were R1a-Z93. This haplogroup was found in ancient nescoplises in Bulgaria which are +3000 years old.

I don't understand what Bosniensis have against R1?
His "arguments" are just trollish fantasies without any material evidence.

[Kelmendasi]

Bosniensis don't want to accept the fact that R1a and R1b haplogroups were present among ancient people such as: Romans, Thracians, ancient Greeks, Illyrians, Persians, Hittites...
According to Bosniensis R1a and R1b came to Europe from central Asia in 5th century.
For him ancient people were only I2a and J2, and nothing else.

Italics were predominantly R1b-U152.
Aryans which conquered India were R1a-Z93.
Proto-Greeks were probably some eastern branch of R1b.
There are opinions that Minoans were R1a.
Hittites were probably predominantly R1b.
It's posible that proto-Thracians were R1a-Z93. This haplogroup was found in ancient nescoplises in Bulgaria which are +3000 years old.

I don't understand what Bosniensis have against R1?
His "arguments" are just trollish fantasies without any material evidence.
I think he’s just trolling and likes to mess around. The haplogroup which was involved in spreading the Paleo-Balkanic languages, including Greek, IMO was R1b-Z2103 as that has been found in Vucedol samples and the BY611 subclade is highest in the Balkans, specifically in Albanians who have a subclade which shows Albanian origin and expansion. I doubt that Mycenaeans carried R1a as to me it seems as if J2a, G2a and perhaps R1b clades dominated amongst them. The Thracian R1a-Z93 samples is interesting, perhaps it’s due to contact with Indo-Iranians.

[Bosniensis]

I think he’s just trolling and likes to mess around. The haplogroup which was involved in spreading the Paleo-Balkanic languages, including Greek, IMO was R1b-Z2103 as that has been found in Vucedol samples and the BY611 subclade is highest in the Balkans, specifically in Albanians who have a subclade which shows Albanian origin and expansion. I doubt that Mycenaeans carried R1a as to me it seems as if J2a, G2a and perhaps R1b clades dominated amongst them. The Thracian R1a-Z93 samples is interesting, perhaps it’s due to contact with Indo-Iranians.

Do you agree that IJ haplogroups descend from Ancient Syria and that both Persian and Hellenic culture is influenced/descended from Ancient Syrian/Sumerian people?

[Gangrel]

Those Indo-Europeans destroyed Both Roman Empire and Persian Empire

There is no such thing as Indo-European origins, they are EAST ASIAN people.

Roman and Persian civilization descend from Ancient IRAQ and SYRIA

That's why Romans built a temple of Bel in Syria because Bel was their ancient Diety

THOSE WHO LIE TODAY namely all Germanic and Steppe people LIE about everything.

You can't hear truth from them, they DESTROYED HELLENIC EUROPE. of course they will LIE.

Wallahi this man will break one day. First case of a terrorist attack in the name of anti-indo Europeans

[Kelmendasi]

Do you agree that IJ haplogroups descend from Ancient Syria and that both Persian and Hellenic culture is influenced/descended from Ancient Syrian/Sumerian people?
It isn’t really known where IJ originated, it’s most likely that it originated around the Transcaucasia region but some believe that it came from Europe and moved into Asia. Haplogroup I though still originated in Europe and not Asia. Hellenic culture wasn’t influenced by Syrian culture and it certainly wasn’t descended from it. Btw, Syrians have nothing to do with Sumerians

[Bosniensis]

Wallahi this man will break one day. First case of a terrorist attack in the name of anti-indo Europeans

The only people against me who spread some kind of anger and lunacy is you.

I normal share my opinion on everything.. but you flip out every time cause you can't handle normal discussion.

[Bosniensis]

It isn’t really known where IJ originated, it’s most likely that it originated around the Transcaucasia region but some believe that it came from Europe and moved into Asia. Haplogroup I though still originated in Europe and not Asia. Hellenic culture wasn’t influenced by Syrian culture and it certainly wasn’t descended from it. Btw, Syrians have nothing to do with Sumerians

I've noticed that Hellenic people (Romans and Greeks) built temples like: Temple of Bel (classical hellenic temple with columns) and similar temples to those ancient Syrian/Iraqi deities.

Bel (/ˈbeɪl/; from Akkadian bēlu), signifying "lord" or "master", is a title rather than a genuine name, applied to various gods in the Mesopotamian religion of Akkad, Assyria and Babylonia. The feminine form is Belit 'Lady, Mistress'. Bel is represented in Greek as Belos and in Latin as Belus. Linguistically Bel is an East Semitic form cognate with Northwest Semitic Baal with the same meaning.

It seems that Both J2 Persians and J2 Romans descend from Sumer people maybe even I1 and I2 Europeans since I1 is found in Iran 15%

[Kelmendasi]

I've noticed that Hellenic people (Romans and Greeks) built temples like: Temple of Bel (classical hellenic temple with columns) and similar temples to those ancient Syrian/Iraqi deities.

Bel (/ˈbeɪl/; from Akkadian bēlu), signifying "lord" or "master", is a title rather than a genuine name, applied to various gods in the Mesopotamian religion of Akkad, Assyria and Babylonia. The feminine form is Belit 'Lady, Mistress'. Bel is represented in Greek as Belos and in Latin as Belus. Linguistically Bel is an East Semitic form cognate with Northwest Semitic Baal with the same meaning.

It seems that Both J2 Persians and J2 Romans descend from Sumer people maybe even I1 and I2 Europeans since I1 is found in Iran 15%
J2 in Europe doesn’t come from Sumerians but whatever. Where did u get that BS claim that I1 is 15% in Iran? I-M170 in general doesn’t even reach 2% in Iran let alone I1 reaching 15%. Again, I2 originated in Europe just like I-M170 in general

[Pribislav]

The only people against me who spread some kind of anger and lunacy is you.

I normal share my opinion on everything.. but you flip out every time cause you can't handle normal discussion.

Question for you: Why are you so obsessed with Vlachs?
I understand for Romans and ancient Greek they had great civilizations, but Vlachs were just a bunch of primitive sheperds.

Again I must say to you. Vlachs which called themselves Vlachs were Slavic sheperds, they were just in a "Vlachs" social status/caste.
On the other hand vulgar Latin speaking Balkanites never called themselves Vlachs. They called themselves Rramâni, Armâni, Români, Rumâni, Rumeri... Only Slavs call them Vlachs. Word vlach does not exist in their languages.
For example Vlachs from eastern Serbia are originally Rumâns. Serbs called them Vlachs and they adopted this name in the last 100-150 years. They are Rumâns, unlike their cousins from Romania who are Româns.

[Gangrel]

The only people against me who spread some kind of anger and lunacy is you.

I normal share my opinion on everything.. but you flip out every time cause you can't handle normal discussion.

Nothing you type is normal ye fuckin looney

[Bosniensis]

J2 in Europe doesn’t come from Sumerians but whatever. Where did u get that BS claim that I1 is 15% in Iran? I-M170 in general doesn’t even reach 2% in Iran let alone I1 reaching 15%. Again, I2 originated in Europe just like I-M170 in general

But both I and J haplogroups had to be (at some point in time) next to each other.

If IJ Haplogroup existed, then there must have been a people who were ancestors of both I and J right?

[Bosniensis]

Question for you: Why are you so obsessed with Vlachs?
I understand for Romans and ancient Greek they had great civilizations, but Vlachs were just a bunch of primitive sheperds.

Again I must say to you. Vlachs which called themselves Vlachs were Slavic sheperds, they were just in a "Vlachs" social status/caste.
On the other hand vulgar Latin speaking Balkanites never called themselves Vlachs. They called themselves Rramâni, Armâni, Români, Rumâni, Rumeri... Only Slavs call them Vlachs. Word vlach does not exist in their languages.
For example Vlachs from eastern Serbia are originally Rumâns. Serbs called them Vlachs and they adopted this name in the last 100-150 years. They are Rumâns, unlike their cousins from Romania who are Româns.

Because Balkan people in general, neither through haplogroups nor autosomaly belong to Polish, Ukrainian, Belorus and Russian world. We aren't even Baltids or other Northern phenotypes when you consider Anthropology.

South Slavs do not exist as indigenous group, South Slavs are either East Slavs or West Slavs (who are against just Slavs) but we are neither cause we don't match with any of them.

Also I score 1. Serbia 2. Romania .. Ukraine and Russia are 10th + place and that obviously explains we are not Slavic people rather Slavophone balkan people.

[Pribislav]

Because Balkan people in general, neither through haplogroups nor autosomaly belong to Polish, Ukrainian, Belorus and Russian world. We aren't even Baltids or other Northern phenotypes when you consider Anthropology.

South Slavs do not exist as indigenous group, South Slavs are either East Slavs or West Slavs (who are against just Slavs) but we are neither cause we don't match with any of them.

Also I score 1. Serbia 2. Romania .. Ukraine and Russia are 10th + place and that obviously explains we are not Slavic people rather Slavophone balkan people.

You can not rely deny that I2a1b2a1 is not Slavic. Your claim about paleo-Balkanic origin of I2a1b2a1 is a joke.

Y DNA of Serbs, Bosniaks and Croatians is pred. Slavic.
https://i.imgur.com/EoaYHtI.png

[Livin]

You can not rely deny that I2a1b2a1 is not Slavic. Your claim about paleo-Balkanic origin of I2a1b2a1 is a joke.

Y DNA of Serbs, Bosniaks and Croatians is pred. Slavic.
https://i.imgur.com/EoaYHtI.png

Dude a friendly advice!

Stop messing with him....!

He is pure troll dont you see?

[Gangrel]

Dude a friendly advice!

Stop messing with him....!

He is pure troll dont you see?

Next by Bosniensis: J2 did not originate in the caucasus but was created by caesar

[Livin]

Next by Bosniensis: J2 did not originate in the caucasus but was created by caesar

J2 is the anunnaki haplo created by alliens.....

[Cristiano viejo]

Because every branch of e1b1 is obviously African.

[Kamal900]

Because every branch of e1b1 is obviously African.

It's a Caucasoid haplogroup, and the clades in Europe originates in the continent.

[Cristiano viejo]

It's a Caucasoid haplogroup, and the clades in Europe originates in the continent.

Irrelevant. Its origin is Africa. It arrived to Caucasus directly from Africa.

[Pribislav]

Dude a friendly advice!

Stop messing with him....!

He is pure troll dont you see?

I see.
I wonder how he can always to write same trollish nonsense and in the same time he is in conflict with many members.
It seems that more and more attacks on him is what he wants, it feeds him. Trolls behave like that.

[Kamal900]

Irrelevant. Its origin is Africa. It arrived to Caucasus directly from Africa.

Huh? I guess you don't understand what "Caucasoid" even means. It's a west Eurasian haplogroup originated in today's Egypt, not SSA, and Albanians are among the oldest peoples in Europe in terms of language and genetics. Yes, it's a Caucasian haplogroup among North Africans, Levantines and South Europeans as a whole.

[Kelmendasi]

Irrelevant. Its origin is Africa. It arrived to Caucasus directly from Africa.
The place of origin for E1b is still being debated. There is still a West Eurasian theory which actually has a strong backing. Anyways, every haplogroup traces back to Africa

[MiloshN]

Haplogroup E is maybe from Africa, but EV13 is definitely old European haplogroup.
I wait for DNA results, but I think I am a member of EV13 and I don't care which even gypsies or Albanians have that hg. Because I am Christian i know only for bad or good person.
But all of us comes from one parent, Adam?
Peace :thumb001:

[Kelmendasi]

Haplogroup E is maybe from Africa, but EV13 is definitely old European haplogroup.
I wait for DNA results, but I think I am a member of EV13 and I don't care which even gypsies or Albanians have that hg. Because I am Christian i know only for bad or good person.
But all of us comes from one parent, Adam?
Peace :thumb001:
So you’re guessing that you are E-V13? Guessing isn’t always that accurate. Gypsies don’t carry much E-V13, they are mainly H.

[Livin]

Haplogroup E is maybe from Africa, but EV13 is definitely old European haplogroup.
I wait for DNA results, but I think I am a member of EV13 and I don't care which even gypsies or Albanians have that hg. Because I am Christian i know only for bad or good person.
But all of us comes from one parent, Adam?
Peace :thumb001:

You may be I2...

[Cristiano viejo]

The place of origin for E1b is still being debated. There is still a West Eurasian theory which actually has a strong backing. Anyways, every haplogroup traces back to Africa

In genetic all is debated.
R is from Asia.

[Rgvgjhvv]

I may be EV-13 but I'm not sure.

[Livin]

I may be EV-13 but I'm not sure.

You didnt found out your haplo?

[Bosniensis]

I see.
I wonder how he can always to write same trollish nonsense and in the same time he is in conflict with many members.
It seems that more and more attacks on him is what he wants, it feeds him. Trolls behave like that.

Well that's response for everyone who doesn't agree with mainstream theories.

Ask yourself, who writes mainstream theories? Answer: Those who rule the world.

People who think otherwise are declared lunatics and pseudo-historians.

Well I would rather be lunatic and pseudo-historians than someone who deliberately approves everything some Hans, Karl, Heinz, Marx invents in his favor.

Same goes for Serbian scientists and historians = they are considered stupid and backward because they are poor and come from Serbia, but everything Americans and Germans say: IT'S UNDISPUTED FACT!

You clearly see that I2 is dramatically different haplogroup than R1a but you still follow THEIR VIEW cause you are Pan-Slavist yourself, you refuse to look at it differently or to question the theories.

[Tschaikisten]

Haplogroup E is maybe from Africa, but EV13 is definitely old European haplogroup.
I wait for DNA results, but I think I am a member of EV13 and I don't care which even gypsies or Albanians have that hg. Because I am Christian i know only for bad or good person.
But all of us comes from one parent, Adam?
Peace :thumb001:

You're thinking about this too literally.

[Kelmendasi]

In genetic all is debated.
R is from Asia.
To say that all is debated is an exaggeration, some things are certain. If you go far back enough the ancestors of R are from Africa as well

[Rgvgjhvv]

You didnt found out your haplo?

I've only done MyHeritage and they don't supply you with that information, unfortunately.

[Bosniensis]

To say that all is debated is an exaggeration, some things are certain. If you go far back enough the ancestors of R are from Africa as well

What about IJK split?

IJ went into one direction, K went into another direction.

IJ went into Europe through Anatolia
K went into Asian steppes.

Those two are obviously two separate groups.

So when R1 settles Europe from Caucasus and Steppes it's not the same group of people as those who settled Europe through Anatolia.

And this is not my opinion this is how geneticsts explain.

From Historical standpoint, it's obvious to me that R1 people were enemies to those who descended from IJ populace cause R1 are generally considered as "invaders" in Europe.

[Pribislav]

Roman Empire is J2, I2 and E1 v13 nothing else.:picard1:

Синане стварно си крвав, царство које се простирало на 3 контнинента си свео на само 3 хаплогрупе. :)

Теби омражена хаплогрупа R1b је нађена на локалитету Падина. А њени носиоци су живили прије 10 000 - 11 000 година. :)
https://arhiva.dnk.poreklo.rs/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/лввв.png

Ево прочитај ако оћеш о генетици Лепенског Вира и Винче https://www.poreklo.rs/2018/06/15/genetska-slika-lepenskog-vira-vince/

[Bosniensis]

Синане стварно си крвав, царство које се простирало на 3 контнинента си свео на само 3 хаплогрупе. :)

Теби омражена хаплогрупа R1b је нађена у Лепенском Вир. А њени носиоци су живили прије 10 000 - 11 000 година. :)
https://arhiva.dnk.poreklo.rs/wp-content/uploads/2017/05лввв.png

Ово прочитај ако оћеш о генетици Лепенској Вира https://www.poreklo.rs/2018/06/15/genetska-slika-lepenskog-vira-vince/

То уопште није спорно да је у Италији и многим мјестима пронађена Р1а хаплогрупа.

Неспорна је чињеница такођер да су Степски народи и Германи масовно кориштени као робови. Римљани су били Велики робовласници, а сад што су они постали најача хаплогрупа у Француској, Северној Италији, Шпанији, Британији..
па то је лако објашњиво за сваког ко је учио стару историју.

Иначе Галија, Британија, Шпанија није имала много становника тако да кад су Германи 480 године напали Галију, Британију и Шпанију брутално су побили већину И2 становника и населили своју Р1б хаплогрупу која је евентуално након 1500 година постала најдоминантнија.

Примјера ради, ја имам 25% аутосомалне ДНА Келтског порјекла и 31% Романског .. гдје су те силне Р1б хаплогрупе да ми пренесу та својства? НЕМА ИХ... јер су та својства иницијално носиле И2 хаплогрупе из Галије, Британије итд..

Ако су Французи Келти.. зашто немају поклапање са мном већ само са Германским народима... то су све ствари које су крајње нелогичне ако имало пратиш историју.

Па кажу Грци: ИЛИРИ И КЕЛТИ су један народ од два брата? Па како Албанска Е1б може имати икакве везе са Р1б? НИЂЕ ВЕЗЕ.

А паси сад: Наша И2 и Француска И2, Шпањолска И2, Брианска И2 (За које је потврђено да су биле прије доминантне) припадају истој хаплогрупи и гле чуда већ сад има смисла да су Келти и Илири били два народа од два брата.

Кажу Римљани су Р1б... па ето ко је онда међу Галима, Шпањнолцима и Талијанима ... ГЕРМАН? Ко је тај странац и ко су ти људи што су уништили Римску империју.. које су њихове Хаплогрупе? Неће ти дати одговор... ЈЕР ТО СУ ТИ ЉУДИ који сад доминирају тамо.. то су све странци.

[MiloshN]

So you’re guessing that you are E-V13? Guessing isn’t always that accurate. Gypsies don’t carry much E-V13, they are mainly H.
We will see, you know, Serbs connect with Slava, maybe you know what is Slava (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava)?
If we look at Slava, I am Bjelopavlic, Montenegrin/Serbs clan, they are EV13...
Chance is 50% / 50% between I2 and EV13...


You may be I2...

We will see, only what I know, is that I am 3/4 I2 :) Mother and her mother and father and father mother too, only where I wait result is father(y-DNA)

[Pribislav]

То уопште није спорно да је у Италији и многим мјестима пронађена Р1а хаплогрупа.

Неспорна је чињеница такођер да су Степски народи и Германи масовно кориштени као робови. Римљани су били Велики робовласници, а сад што су они постали најача хаплогрупа у Француској, Северној Италији, Шпанији, Британији..
па то је лако објашњиво за сваког ко је учио стару историју.

Иначе Галија, Британија, Шпанија није имала много становника тако да кад су Германи 480 године напали Галију, Британију и Шпанију брутално су побили већину И2 становника и населили своју Р1б хаплогрупу која је евентуално након 1500 година постала најдоминантнија.

Примјера ради, ја имам 25% аутосомалне ДНА Келтског порјекла и 31% Романског .. гдје су те силне Р1б хаплогрупе да ми пренесу та својства? НЕМА ИХ... јер су та својства иницијално носиле И2 хаплогрупе из Галије, Британије итд..

Ако су Французи Келти.. зашто немају поклапање са мном већ само са Германским народима... то су све ствари које су крајње нелогичне ако имало пратиш историју.

Па кажу Грци: ИЛИРИ И КЕЛТИ су један народ од два брата? Па како Албанска Е1б може имати икакве везе са Р1б? НИЂЕ ВЕЗЕ.

А паси сад: Наша И2 и Француска И2, Шпањолска И2, Брианска И2 (За које је потврђено да су биле прије доминантне) припадају истој хаплогрупи и гле чуда већ сад има смисла да су Келти и Илири били два народа од два брата.

Кажу Римљани су Р1б... па ето ко је онда међу Галима, Шпањнолцима и Талијанима ... ГЕРМАН? Ко је тај странац и ко су ти људи што су уништили Римску империју.. које су њихове Хаплогрупе? Неће ти дати одговор... ЈЕР ТО СУ ТИ ЉУДИ који сад доминирају тамо.. то су све странци.

Већ сам написа и Кељмендаши је потрвдио да је у некрополама у Бугарској старим преко 3000 година нађена R1a-Z93. То су сигурно били прото-Трачани илити они од којих потиче трачки језик и који су покорили E1b и J2 старосједиоце прије мало јача од 3000 година. Трачки је био ИЕ језик.
О R1a-Z93 у некрополама у Бугарској је једном била посебна тема.

Па јеба га ти како то да једно царство сводиш на само 3 хаплогрупе? У мом селу код Книна је за сад је нађено 4-5 хаплогрупа, а сигурно их има и више. Село је прије 1995 имало 1700 становника, а Римско царство 70 000 милиона.

[Bosniensis]

Већ сам написа и Кељмендаши је потрвдио да је у некрополама у Бугарској старим преко 3000 година нађена R1a-Z93. То су сигурно били прото-Трачани илити они од којих потиче трачки језик и који су покорили E1b и J2 старосједиоце прије мало јача од 3000 година. Трачки је био ИЕ језик.
О R1a-Z93 у некрополама у Бугарској је једном била посебна тема.

Па јеба га ти како то да једно царство сводиш на само 3 хаплогрупе? У мом селу код Книна је за сад је нађено 4-5 хаплогрупа, а сигурно их има и више. Село је прије 1995 имало 1700 становника, а Римско царство 70 000 милиона.

Не кажем ја да није било, ја кад кажем Римљани од 3 хаплогрупе мислим на Грађане првог реда.. они који су првобитно основали царство и владали тј. владајуће династије, јасна је ствар
да су многи германи постали грађани тог царства како заслугама како предајом итд..

Отац Константина великог - Констанције је владао Галијом и обећавао је Римско грађанско право свим Франачким племенима који се Пацифишу (престану нападати империју) тако да није спорно да је Р1б БИЛА ТУ
само што су ти људи прије били потлачени дио становништва.

Кад су ти И2, Ј2, Е1б изгубили власт потлачени дио становништва (који је већ тад стекао одређена сазнања, писменост итд) преузима многа мјеста у Империји и цјепа то царство, није спорно да су они ту и раније живјели само
што они нису били Римљани већ окупирано становништво.

Јулије Цезар који је уништио Галију је причао ГРЧКИ и имао је порјекло из Грчке и Анадолије значи вјероватно Ј2 или Е1б.

Анадолија, дио Италије и Грчка је једино природно станиште Римљана и они су Ј2, И2, Е1б и јако мало Р1б и Р1а.

[MiloshN]

И ако није баш релевантно, да ли могу да окачим своју фотографију и да онако одокативно покушате да ''провалите'' којој хг. припадам? :)

[Bosniensis]

И ако није баш релевантно, да ли могу да окачим своју фотографију и да онако одокативно покушате да ''провалите'' којој хг. припадам? :)

Неће ићи, не помаже.

Због мјешања са разно-разним народима различитог порјекла наше фаце могу личити и на Римљане и на Грке, а да будемо словени.

Ми смо јако измјешани тако да нема шансе да се погоди.

[MiloshN]

Неће ићи, не помаже.

Због мјешања са разно-разним народима различитог порјекла наше фаце могу личити и на Римљане и на Грке, а да будемо словени.

Ми смо јако измјешани тако да нема шансе да се погоди.

Ма знам, неко ето, рекох. :)

[Kelmendasi]

We will see, you know, Serbs connect with Slava, maybe you know what is Slava (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava)?
If we look at Slava, I am Bjelopavlic, Montenegrin/Serbs clan, they are EV13...
Chance is 50% / 50% between I2 and EV13...



We will see, only what I know, is that I am 3/4 I2 :) Mother and her mother and father and father mother too, only where I wait result is father(y-DNA)
Yh I know what Slava is. Oh so you’re Bjelopavlic, interesting. Based on this you should be E-V13>Z16988. What do your people say on the origin of Bjelopavlic? I am familiar with one story but that one has been told by Albanians so I want to see a Serbs point of view

[Pribislav]

Не кажем ја да није било, ја кад кажем Римљани од 3 хаплогрупе мислим на Грађане првог реда.. они који су првобитно основали царство и владали тј. владајуће династије, јасна је ствар
да су многи германи постали грађани тог царства како заслугама како предајом итд..

Отац Константина великог - Констанције је владао Галијом и обећавао је Римско грађанско право свим Франачким племенима који се Пацифишу (престану нападати империју) тако да није спорно да је Р1б БИЛА ТУ
само што су ти људи прије били потлачени дио становништва.

Кад су ти И2, Ј2, Е1б изгубили власт потлачени дио становништва (који је већ тад стекао одређена сазнања, писменост итд) преузима многа мјеста у Империји и цјепа то царство, није спорно да су они ту и раније живјели само
што они нису били Римљани већ окупирано становништво.

Јулије Цезар који је уништио Галију је причао ГРЧКИ и имао је порјекло из Грчке и Анадолије значи вјероватно Ј2 или Е1б.

Анадолија и Грчка је једино природно станиште Римљана и они су Ј2, И2, Е1б и јако мало Р1б и Р1а.

Значи ти мислиш да су J2, E1b и I2a били елита у Римском царству, а да су R1 били неки нециволизовани Индијанци који су живили по шумама?

Археоплошки је доказано да је међу римском елитом било R1b-U152. Уједно то им је била најјача хаплогрупа.

Археолошко откриће у Британији је показало да је племенити Римљанин био R1b, а гладијатор (римски роб) који је био поријеклом из Сирије је био J2b1-M205. :) Шокантна спознаја за тебе, јел да?
Ево резултата тог открића https://www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=1791.msg82424#msg82424
Ево ти потрвде да је роб био J2b1-M205 https://www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=1791.msg82436#msg82436 https://www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=1791.msg82443#msg82443

Пошто тамо имаш профил ајде на Порекло па постави питање како роб може бити J2, а племенити Римљанин R1b. :)

[Pribislav]

И ако није баш релевантно, да ли могу да окачим своју фотографију и да онако одокативно покушате да ''провалите'' којој хг. припадам? :)

Можеш да ставиш слику на Taxomy да видиш шта ће ти рећи за фенотип. А што се тиче хаплогрупе то се не може знати преко физичког изгледа.

[MiloshN]

Yh I know what Slava is. Oh so you’re Bjelopavlic, interesting. Based on this you should be E-V13>Z16988. What do your people say on the origin of Bjelopavlic? I am familiar with one story but that one has been told by Albanians so I want to see a Serbs point of view

Bjelopavlic have a little a tricky story. Two stories tell of their origins:
1) Bjeli Pavle (Founder clan) is descendant Leke Dukagjini for Leka someone says he is Serbian, someone says he is Albanian, we will see.
2) Bjeli Pavle is descendant Nemanjic dynasty.

[Kelmendasi]

Bjelopavlic have a little a tricky story. Two stories tell of their origins:
1) Bjeli Pavle (Founder clan) is descendant Leke Dukagjini for Leka someone says he is Serbian, someone says he is Albanian, we will see.
2) Bjeli Pavle is descendant Nemanjic dynasty.
Leke Dukagjini was an Albanian, the Dukagjini are noted as an Albanian family and have been always referred to as such. Leke is the one who supposedly created the Albanian tribal law called Kanuni I Leke Dukagjinit. I was aware of the Dukagjini origin story and to me an Albanian origin seems likely.

[Pribislav]

Bjelopavlic have a little a tricky story. Two stories tell of their origins:
1) Bjeli Pavle (Founder clan) is descendant Leke Dukagjini for Leka someone says he is Serbian, someone says he is Albanian, we will see.
2) Bjeli Pavle is descendant Nemanjic dynasty.

Among Albanians Bijeli Pavle is known as Pal Bardh.

[CommonSense]

И ако није баш релевантно, да ли могу да окачим своју фотографију и да онако одокативно покушате да ''провалите'' којој хг. припадам? :)

Нема везе физички изглед са хаплогрупама. Нпр. Теша Тешановић изгледа као неко из балтичких земаља или Русије, али је његова хаплогрупа G2a. А што се тиче E1b/E-V13, људи је углавном повезују са Северном Африком, па мисле су ти преци дошли одатле највише пар векова уназад. Мало људи зна да је та хаплогрупа хиљадама година у Европи, још од неолита и да је присутна код аутохтоног становништва свих европских држава.

[MiloshN]

Дискутовало се о односу (акценат био је на физичком изгледу) између И2а и ЕВ13 хг. Неки кажу да су потомци ЕВ13 који су се мешали са И2а (Црногорци) добили су компоненту висине а да потомци ЕВ13 који се нису мешали са И2а (Албанци) су остали ниски, што и јесте донекле истина, у ЦГ. висина је преко 180 цм, док у Албанији је плафон висина 175 цм.
Ја се баш и не слажем са тим, мислим да је висина заправо компонента ЕВ13 која је предата потомцима И2а...
Зато што у Албанији ЕВ13 није доминантна хг. док на Космету јесте, а на космету просечна висина је 180цм...

[Kelmendasi]

Дискутовало се о односу (акценат био је на физичком изгледу) између И2а и ЕВ13 хг. Неки кажу да су потомци ЕВ13 који су се мешали са И2а (Црногорци) добили су компоненту висине а да потомци ЕВ13 који се нису мешали са И2а (Албанци) су остали ниски, што и јесте донекле истина, у ЦГ. висина је преко 180 цм, док у Албанији је плафон висина 175 цм.
Ја се баш и не слажем са тим, мислим да је висина заправо компонента ЕВ13 која је предата потомцима И2а...
The stat that Albanians are 175cm is outdated ;), new study on the youth of Kosovo showed an average of around 180cm.

[Tschaikisten]

Ја се баш и не слажем са тим, мислим да је висина заправо компонента ЕВ13 која је предата потомцима И2а...
Бајо, у твојим порукама се осети као да те пуца потенцијални комплекс јер си по Y хромозому носилац неке мутације која је у твојим очима под утицајем којекаквих дијабола попримила негативан изглед. Опусти се.

[Bosniensis]

The stat that Albanians are 175cm is outdated ;), new study on the youth of Kosovo showed an average of around 180cm.

Still 7 cm smaller than MN average :)

[MiloshN]

Бајо, у твојим порукама се осети као да те пуца потенцијални комплекс јер си по Y хромозому носилац неке мутације која је у твојим очима под утицајем којекаквих дијабола попримила негативан изглед. Опусти се.

Могуће, нов сам ја у овоме :) Износим само нека своја мишљења...

[CommonSense]

The stat that Albanians are 175cm is outdated ;), new study on the youth of Kosovo showed an average of around 180cm.

He said that Kosovar Albanians are around 180, while Albanians from Albania are 175. Because Kosovo Albanians have more E-V13 and are taller he claims that that haplogroup is the height carrier and not I2a as is commonly thought.

[Tschaikisten]

Могуће, нов сам ја у овоме :) Износим само нека своја мишљења...

Баш зато, треба бити опрезан са закључцима о овим стварима, поготово када неко слабије упућен слуша разноразне дијаболе.

[Pribislav]

Дискутовало се о односу (акценат био је на физичком изгледу) између И2а и ЕВ13 хг. Неки кажу да су потомци ЕВ13 који су се мешали са И2а (Црногорци) добили су компоненту висине а да потомци ЕВ13 који се нису мешали са И2а (Албанци) су остали ниски, што и јесте донекле истина, у ЦГ. висина је преко 180 цм, док у Албанији је плафон висина 175 цм.
Ја се баш и не слажем са тим, мислим да је висина заправо компонента ЕВ13 која је предата потомцима И2а...

У Црној Гори су виши људи у Старој Херцеговини и Старој Црној Гори него на истоку. Знамо да у Старој Херцеговини и Старој ЦГ има више И2а него на истоку где доминира Е1б.

Највиши људи на свету су Херцеговци и то западни, а И2а има пик управо у западној Херцеговини. У западној Херцеговини Е1б је 8-9%, а И2а Хрвати кажу да преко 70%, а реално је неких 55-60%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69rM5b8MSWY

Далматинци су исто врло високи а тамо је Е1б слаба.
Код Хрвата из или боље речено Буњеваца из Далмације Е1б је само 6%, а И2а 55%. У Хрватској је увек питање да ли су виши Херцеговци или Далматинци.
https://i.imgur.com/GZOmjrP.gif

[Kelmendasi]

Still 7 cm smaller than MN average :)
Afaik, Montenegro has an average of 183-184cm not 187cm which seems to be an exaggeration made by people.

[CommonSense]

Баш зато, треба бити опрезан са закључцима о овим стварима, поготово када неко слабије упућен слуша разноразне дијаболе.

Реално. Колико само дебила још увек верује да је Кљосов, "велики научник са Харварда", утврдио да је "српски ген" стар 12 000 година и да су Срби најстарији народ на свету. Само бациш поглед на јутјуб коментаре и јасно ти је колико дебила је убеђено да знају све о историји и генетици. 99% њих не зна ни шта је аутосомални ДНК, мисле да Y-днк представља твоје целокупно порекло.

[Bosniensis]

У Црној Гори су виши људи у Старој Херцеговини и старој Црној Гори него на истоку. Знамо да у Старој Херцеговини и Старој ЦГ има више И2а него на истоку где доминира Е1б

Највиши људи на свету су Херцеговци и то западни, а И2а има пик управо у западној Херцеговини. У западној Херцеговини Е1б је 8-9%, а И2а Хрвати кажу да преко 70%, а реално је неких 55-60%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69rM5b9MSWY

Далматинци су исто врло високи а тамо је Е1б слаба.
Код Хрвата из или боље речено Буњеваца Далмације Е1б је само 6%, а И2а 55%. У Хрватској се питање да су виши Херцеговци или Далматинци.
https://i.imgur.com/GZOmjP.gif

Па етп 55-60% + додај оно што преноситељ дода ( а ми волимо додавати ) значи реално јест 70%

[Kelmendasi]

He said that Kosovar Albanians are around 180, while Albanians from Albania are 175. Because Kosovo Albanians have more E-V13 and are taller he claims that that haplogroup is the height carrier and not I2a as is commonly thought.
I see. I still think that’s not accurate, Albanians from Albania are probably the same height as those from Kosovo. The 175cm result is old and so height has probably increased with the newer generations.

[Bosniensis]

Afaik, Montenegro has an average of 183-184cm not 187cm which seems to be an exaggeration made by people.

Yes 183-184 but we always lie for a few cm

So if you said 180 in reality it's 175

So we still win by 7 cm margin.

[CommonSense]

I see. I still think that’s not accurate, Albanians from Albania are probably the same height as those from Kosovo. The 175cm result is old and so height has probably increased with the newer generations.

I'm pretty sure Tosks would make the average lower than it is in Kosovo.

[Pribislav]

Yes 183-184 but we always lie for a few cm

So if you said 180 in reality it's 175

So we still win by 7 cm margin.

I am 190 cm, how tall are you?

[Bosniensis]

I am 190 cm, how tall are you?

185 cm

[Kelmendasi]

I'm pretty sure Tosks would make the average lower than it is in Kosovo.
The whole thing about Tosks being midgets when compared to Ghegs I think is just BS tbh. They may have been recorded as shorter a while ago by anthropologists but today I don’t think there is a big difference

[Kelmendasi]

Yes 183-184 but we always lie for a few cm

So if you said 180 in reality it's 175

So we still win by 7 cm margin.
Lol I didn’t say it was 180cm, a study did

[Bosniensis]

Lol I didn’t say it was 180cm, a study did

Albanian study ... huh.... give me a break xD

[CommonSense]

The whole thing about Tosks being midgets when compared to Ghegs I think is just BS tbh. They may have been recorded as shorter a while ago by anthropologists but today I don’t think there is a big difference

If there is a difference in phenotype then there must be a difference in average stature. As far as I know Tosks aren't nearly as dinaric as Ghegs.

[Kelmendasi]

Albanian study ... huh.... give me a break xD
Okay your point is....

[Pribislav]

185 cm

You are above average fom Bihać area.
https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Herzegovinians.jpg

Herzegovinians are the tallest people on the world https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/04/12/move-over-dutch-men-herzegovinians-may-be-tallest-world-11122

When I was in Herzegovina (in Trebinje) I had a feel as I am about average tall.

[Kelmendasi]

If there is a difference in phenotype then there must be a difference in average stature. As far as I know Tosks aren't nearly as dinaric as Ghegs.
I personally don’t believe in the whole subraces thing, IMO a so called “Alpine” person could be as tall as a “Dinarid”. But you are correct that anthropologists claimed that Ghegs had more Dinarids

[Babak]

Yes 183-184 but we always lie for a few cm

So if you said 180 in reality it's 175

So we still win by 7 cm margin.

Wtf lol.."Still win". What is this? Sounds like a discussion about who has a bigger cock.

[Jackson78]

Код Срба је омражена зато што је асоцирају са Шиптарима.

Омражена је код идиота и ликова са мозгом детета, не и код нормалних људи.

[Pribislav]

Омражена је код идиота и ликова са мозгом детета, не и код нормалних људи.

Јес вала, али така ти је ситуација.

[Jackson78]

Јес вала, али така ти је ситуација.

Ако је таква ситуација, то значи да је идиота и ликова са мозгом детета много, на жалост.

[Bosniensis]

Омражена је код идиота и ликова са мозгом детета, не и код нормалних људи.

Ја да имам колегу са Е1б ја би му крв попио да је Шиптар :)

Истог порјекла мора ту бити нешто ... Срби који су Е1б врло лако могу окренути на страну Шиптара :Д

[MiloshN]

Ја да имам колегу са Е1б ја би му крв попио да је Шиптар :)

Истог порјекла мора ту бити нешто ... Срби који су Е1б врло лако могу окренути на страну Шиптара :Д

Јел то ја видим сарказам? :Д

[Bosniensis]

Јел то ја видим сарказам? :Д

:)

[Dick]

Haplogroup E is maybe from Africa, but EV13 is definitely old European haplogroup.
I wait for DNA results, but I think I am a member of EV13 and I don't care which even gypsies or Albanians have that hg. Because I am Christian i know only for bad or good person.
But all of us comes from one parent, Adam?
Peace :thumb001:

Dude, don't guess your haplogroup. I thought I'd be I2 but no. Take a test

[MysteriousWays]

Dude, don't guess your haplogroup. I thought I'd be I2 but no. Take a test

This. Impossible to guess.

[MiloshN]

Dude, don't guess your haplogroup. I thought I'd be I2 but no. Take a test

I wait on results :D
I guess only on Slava connections...

[Bobby Martnen]

E-V13 isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the R1ethelite monkey haplogroup.

I1 is the best, though.

[MiloshN]

E-V13 isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the R1ethelite monkey haplogroup.

I1 is the best, though.

:rofl_002::pound::lol00002:

[Bosniensis]

:rofl_002::pound::lol00002:

How does it feel having E-V13? xD

[MiloshN]

How does it feel having E-V13? xD

Same xD

[Artek]

No one even noticed that a new clade under L618 and parallel to E-V13 was recently formed: https://yfull.com/tree/E-L618/ - BY6578. Please show some interest to the long-lost cousins.

[Livin]

E-V13 isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the R1ethelite monkey haplogroup.

I1 is the best, though.


I1 Neanderthal haplo Rolf.

[Dick]

I1 Neanderthal haplo Rolf.

Yes. the best.

[Dasbootu96]

Hello

i m Ev-13 but i can t read and understand my results...
Are you ev-13 too?

Can you help me?
Thanks

Fabrice

Ps: i m sure this haplogroup is the best ;-) lol

CTS10637/M5327
CTS12877
CTS1773
CTS1975/PF2126
CTS2270/PF2127
CTS2661/PF2130
CTS3512/M5150/V2737/PF1655
CTS4208/V2970/Z1209/PF2136
CTS4220/M5166
CTS4685/PF1671/M5467
CTS4994/M5468
CTS5316/M5470/PF1683
CTS5527/PF2232
CTS5792/M5190/PF1692
CTS6048/M5475/PF1697
CTS6755/PF1713/M5485
CTS6953/M5221
CTS7924/PF2154
CTS8189/M5500
CTS8269/M5501/PF1743
CTS8432/PF1745
CTS8899
CTS890/PF1513/M5059
F168
FGC12658/Y3357
L1004
L1013
L1053
L1060/PF1021
L1062/PF302
L1084
L1112
L1220/M9212
L339
L413/V31/PF1409
L438
L440
L538/V2353/PF1556/M5100
L604/PF1243
L618
L856/PF1553/L856.2/PF1553.2
L962
L969
L986
M5017/PF1450/CTS225
M5038/PF1737/CTS8033
M5074/PF1531/V1257
M5078
M5082/PF1537
M5083/PF1538
M5108/PF1566
M5137/CTS2620/PF1638
M5156/CTS3637/PF1659
M5161/PF1664/CTS3988
M5255/CTS8586/PF1749
M5266/PF1768/CTS9324
M5287/PF1793/S7492
M5299/PF1807
M5316/PF1831
M5321/PF1835
M5325/PF1871
M5384/CTS433/PF1504
M5389/CTS939
M5416/PF1552
M5424/PF1563
M5449/CTS2496/PF1636
M5466/CTS4373/PF1669
M5506/PF1752/CTS8754
M5525/PF1795
M5527/PF1796
M5545/PF1822
M5550.2/A10822.2/M5550/A10822/PF1873/PF1873.2
M5552/CTS10894
M5562/CTS11916/PF1901
M5571/S7474
M78/PF2186
M8945/L1071
M8947
M8954
M8956
M8957
M8959
M8961
M8967
M8968
M8970
M8972
M8977
M8980
M8983
M8986
M8993
M8994
M8999
M9001
M9005
M9006
M9008
M9009
M9010
M9011
M9016
M9017
M9019
M9020
M9026
M9027
M9028
M9031
M9034
M9042
M9045
M9046
M9056
M9057
M9064
M9076
M9079
M9080
M9081
M9089
M9095
M9097
M9098
M9099
M9105
M9110
M9117
M9118/Page81
M9121
M9122/M251
M9124
M9126
M9128
M9129
M9133
M9140
M9142
M9143
M9152
M9166
M9169
M9187
M9188
M9189
M9193
M9194.3
M9196
M9202
M9209
M9215
M9218
M9226
M9227
M9228
M9231
M9235
M9237
M9238
M9239
M9240
M9242
M9246
M9248
M9252
M9253
M9255
M9257
M9263
M9265
M9267
M9269
M9282
M9283
M9284
M9285
M9289
M9291
M9292
M9295
M9300
M9310
M9311
M9315
M9317
M9319
M9321
M9322
M9326
M9334
M9335
M9341
M9346
M9347
M9349
M9352
M9356
M9357
M9359
M9360
M9362
M9372
M9373
M9378
M9389
M9393
M94
M9405
M9406
P155/PF1687
P169/PF1878/Page54
P173
P175
P177/PF1939
P179
P305
PF1101/L1061
PF1403/V187
PF1408
PF1502/M5382
PF1507/L537
PF1510/P172
PF1514/M5390/CTS955
PF1532/M5021
PF1539/M5406
PF1542/M5085/V1602
PF1545/V1692/M5410
PF1549/V1844/M5413
PF1567
PF1575
PF1583/M5436
PF1629/CTS2216/M5026
PF1633/CTS2401/M5448
PF1635/M5134/CTS2474
PF1643/P29
PF1656/P170
PF1657/L117/M5152/Page15
PF1674/P174
PF1678/P176
PF1689/CTS5530/M5183
PF1701/CTS6298/M5200
PF1704/P150
PF1716/CTS6809/M5213
PF1718/CTS6834/L931
PF1724/CTS7154.2/M5226/M5226.2/PF1724.2/CTS7154
PF1729/CTS7677/M5234/L930
PF1738/M5497/CTS8053
PF1746.2/CTS8479.2/M5251.2/CTS8479.1/M5251.1/PF1746.1
PF1755
PF1769/CTS9440/M5510
PF1788
PF1798/M5529
PF1801/L796/M5294
PF1819/M5543
PF1823/M96
PF1825/L336
PF1830/M5047
PF1836/M5322
PF1875/M5048/CTS10679
PF1883/CTS11223/M5049/L676
PF1893/CTS11599
PF1903/P171
PF1917
PF1919/M5569
PF1941/P180
PF1943/M243
PF2115
PF2153/L546
PF2167/CTS10323/V4083
PF2175/S7478
PF2178
PF2182
PF2188
PF2210/V36
PF2211/V13
PF2225/CTS3287
PF2230/Z1052/CTS5291
PF969/M9278
Page102
Page26/M9336
Page40/PF1942/M215
S1572/M9174
S7500/PF2114/V1739
V1254/PF1530/M5403
V1575/PF1540/M5084
V1659/M5088/PF1543
V168
V21/PF1407/M8969
V2187/M5417/PF1554
V221
V241
V2471/M5422/PF1561
V3194/M5174/CTS4856/PF1677
V3289/CTS8945/PF1759/M5258
V3341/CTS9017/M5261
V3860/PF1778/CTS9956
V3998/PF985/M9288
V4197/CTS10513/PF1789/M5282
V59/PF1411
Y8311
Y8316
Y8320
Y8322
Y8488
YSC0000032/PF1898/L614
Z11900
Z11918
Z1211/PF2173
Z15671/FGC2060
Z17365
Z17373
Z17388
Z17900
Z40223
Z40378
Z40380
Z40386
Z40387
Z40389
Z40390
Z40392
Z40393
Z40395
Z40398
Z40403
Z40405
Z40409
Z40411


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[Artek]

Hello

i m Ev-13 but i can t read and understand my results...

PF2210/V36
PF2211/V13



This is the most important part, since both of these SNPs are in the V13 block.

Also, you are positive to many SNPs on the level of E-L618 (upstream from V13) and other E SNPs, so you are a safe case of E-V13.

Beside that, these results say nothing about your subbranch under V13: https://yfull.com/tree/E-V13/

[Coastal Elite]

E-V13 is great. The only haters are wannabe Viking jerkoffs

[xripkan]

Bosniensis don't want to accept the fact that R1a and R1b haplogroups were present among ancient people such as: Romans, Thracians, ancient Greeks, Illyrians, Persians, Hittites...
According to Bosniensis R1a and R1b came to Europe from central Asia in 5th century.
For him ancient people were only I2a and J2, and nothing else.

Italics were predominantly R1b-U152.
Aryans which conquered India were R1a-Z93.
Proto-Greeks were probably some eastern branch of R1b.
There are opinions that Minoans were R1a.
Hittites were probably predominantly R1b.
It's posible that proto-Thracians were R1a-Z93. This haplogroup was found in ancient nescoplises in Bulgaria which are +3000 years old.

I don't understand what Bosniensis have against R1?
His "arguments" are just trollish fantasies without any material evidence.

If proto-Thracians were R-Z93, why this haplogroup is so rare in Balkans? If a significant part of Bronze age settlers was R-Z93 more people in Balkans would have it like R1b.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Whatever Adolf had, is divine.

[Ülev]

best haplogroup

[Leto]

Haplogroup E1b, Nigger or West Eurasian? (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?209471-Haplogroup-E1b-Nigger-or-West-Eurasian)

[de Burgh II]

People take these haplogroup designations too seriously/from a "racial" perspective depending on what it is; they make up no more than 1 to 2% of your autosomal dna.

Chillax broskis.... :nod:

[Voskos]

E-V13, well it can make you a KFC and watermelon addict.