Proto-Turkic Gedmatch results?

[Hudayar]

2 samples from Neolithic and Early Bronze Age Baikal were uploaded to Gedmatch. They were hunter gatherers. These samples.... are probably ancestors of Turkics. They're either proto Turkics or proto native americans. Either way here are the results


Neolithic Baikal tribeswoman kitnumber: T960967

her haplogroup: C4



MDLP K23b results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Tungus-Altaic 44.79
2 East_Siberian 25.04
3 South_East_Asian 16.05
4 Paleo_Siberian 7.76
5 Arctic 4.11
6 Ancestral_Altaic 1.09
7 Amerindian 0.87


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Oroqen_ @ 8.617397
2 Buryat_ @ 10.851536
3 Kalmyk_ @ 13.655015
4 Tuvinian_ @ 14.507402
5 Mongolian_ @ 14.832404
6 Mongol_Khalkha_ @ 17.156084
7 Daur_ @ 19.854132
8 Altaian_ @ 20.352177
9 Hezhen_ @ 20.513073
10 Kyrgyz_ @ 20.868780
11 Mongolian_QH_ @ 21.758848
12 Kyrgyz_Bishkek_ @ 22.971682
13 Ulchi_ @ 23.934809
14 Mongola_China_ @ 24.658642
15 Kazakh_ @ 26.063030
16 Yakut_Anabarsky_ulus_ @ 28.418884
17 Kazahs_ @ 28.680128
18 Hakas_ @ 28.714769
19 Xibo_ @ 28.791317
20 Yakut_ @ 30.548889

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Buryat_ +50% Oroqen_ @ 8.613467


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Daur_ +25% Oroqen_ +25% Yukagir_Tundra_ @ 7.028112


Puntdnal K13 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberia 56.25
2 NE_Asia 37.29
3 Americas 5.66


Finished reading population data. 191 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuvinian @ 12.319065
2 Oroqen @ 17.060482
3 Mongolian @ 17.975418
4 Altaian @ 22.530575
5 Yakut @ 25.866650
6 Daur @ 28.030840
7 Dolgan @ 31.652220
8 Koryak @ 36.856956
9 Xibo @ 38.157639
10 Chukchi @ 38.209774
11 Selkup @ 42.858959
12 Eskimo @ 43.034790
13 Afghan_Hazara @ 46.873291
14 Nganasan @ 52.194275
15 Naxi @ 53.913071
16 Korean @ 56.232346
17 Japanese @ 56.710770
18 Han_North_China @ 57.313221
19 Burmese @ 59.413052
20 Han_South_China @ 63.563774

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Japanese +50% Nganasan @ 5.672455




Baikal Tribesman from Early Bronze Age Kitnumber: T854665

His Y-DNA: Q-L475

His MT-DNA: C4a1a3


MDLP k23b results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Tungus-Altaic 32.93
2 East_Siberian 30.83
3 Arctic 12.28
4 Ancestral_Altaic 9.85
5 Paleo_Siberian 6.12
6 South_East_Asian 4.25
7 Amerindian 3.49


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuvinian_ @ 16.531233
2 Altaian_ @ 19.721672
3 Hakas_ @ 21.643454
4 Buryat_ @ 22.560520
5 Oroqen_ @ 25.643972
6 Kalmyk_ @ 25.931328
7 Yakut_Anabarsky_ulus_ @ 26.404966
8 Yakut_ @ 26.420916
9 Mongolian_ @ 26.432858
10 Kyrgyz_ @ 26.805037
11 Yukagir_Tundra_ @ 27.184958
12 Kyrgyz_Bishkek_ @ 27.260059
13 Kazakh_ @ 27.750153
14 Even_ @ 29.360939
15 Kazahs_ @ 29.460932
16 Dolgan_ @ 30.827454
17 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 32.505524
18 Mongol_Khalkha_ @ 33.845444
19 Karakalpak_ @ 35.276428
20 Ulchi_ @ 36.027782

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Tuvinian_ +50% Yukagir_Tundra_ @ 13.214668


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Altaian_ +25% Chukchi_ +25% Evenk_ @ 10.138749


Puntdnal k13 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberia 61.89
2 NE_Asia 20.72
3 Americas 8.74
4 NE_Europe 8.03


Finished reading population data. 191 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dolgan @ 14.952029
2 Yakut @ 15.807538
3 Tuvinian @ 18.328955
4 Koryak @ 19.530537
5 Chukchi @ 22.850584
6 Altaian @ 25.686804
7 Selkup @ 26.615202
8 Mongolian @ 28.508642
9 Eskimo @ 32.007446
10 Oroqen @ 33.920506
11 Nganasan @ 38.764091
12 Daur @ 44.687107
13 Afghan_Hazara @ 49.051800
14 Xibo @ 54.612331
15 Chuvash @ 62.059105
16 Aluet @ 62.155842
17 Nogay @ 63.616665
18 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 64.250877
19 Tatar @ 64.379784
20 Naxi @ 68.976440

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Koryak +50% Tuvinian @ 3.976014


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Koryak +25% Tuvinian +25% Tuvinian @ 3.976014

[Hudayar]

The Bronze Age baikal tribesman sample has considerable caucasoid admixture (8-10%)

the other sample is 99-100% mongoloid.

[Hudayar]

Here are other samples. No gedmatch results though. Just their age and haplogroups (first haplogroup is their Y-DNA and second is MT-DNA)

note: EBA means Early Bronze Age and EN means Early Neolithic

Bronze age samples:

Shamanka_EBA DA334 4000–3800 Q-L55 C4a2a1
Shamanka_EBA DA335 4000–3800 Q-L53 F1b1b
Shamanka_EBA DA336 4000–3800 Q-L53 C4a2a1
Shamanka_EBA DA337 4000–3800 Q-L475 C4a1a3
Shamanka_EBA DA338 4000–3800 Q-L53 C4a2a1
Shamanka_EBA DA339 4000–3800 Q-L334/Q-L330 G2a1

Neolithic samples:

Shamanka_EN DA245 7200–6200 N-L666 G2a1
Shamanka_EN DA246 7200–6200 female? D4e1
Shamanka_EN DA247 7200–6200 N-M231 C4
Shamanka_EN DA248 7200–6200 N-L666 C4
Shamanka_EN DA249 7200–6200 female? C4
Shamanka_EN DA250 7200–6200 NO-M214 G2a1
Shamanka_EN DA251 7200–6200 N-M2291 D4j
Shamanka_EN DA252 7200–6200 female? G2a1
Shamanka_EN DA253 7200–6200 female? F1b1+@152
Shamanka_EN DA362 7200–6200 female? D4e1



Judging from their haplogroups, they're probably proto-Turkics (N and Q and no sign of C Y-DNA which is common in Mongolian populations). Also maybe ancestors of Native Americans.

[Sora]

I don't think they are Proto-Turkics. They're more likely Proto-Mongols or Proto-Native Americans/Eskimos

[Hudayar]

I don't think they are Proto-Turkics. They're more likely Proto-Mongols or Proto-Native Americans/Eskimos

They're not proto mongols. There's no C haplogroup (Y-DNA one not mt-dna) among them.

What makes me think that they're proto Turks is the frequency of haplogroup Q.

A Göktürk sample had Q-L715 as his Y-DNA. His mt dna was C4b1. The Göktürk sample can pass as a regular baikal hunter among these samples haplogroup wise. Except that he was only 30-40% mongoloid. Also a Tianshan Hun has the same Y-DNA as him (probably his ancestor)

Those people could be proto Turkics. Or ancestors of Turkics.

[Pahli]

These look like Proto-Turks, a lot of Turkic samples apart from R1 also had some Q and N, makes perfect sense.

[Sora]

In my opinion, even they look more Proto-Tungusic or Proto-Arctic than Proto-Turkic. Also I think that Hunns or Proto-Turks are mixture of Xiongnu, Wusun(or other PIE) and Eastern Scythian tribes. For me, Proto-Turks were not much Mongoloid as the samples you showed. If it's so, there are not pure Turkics today.

Edit: Idk much about it. You know very well than me

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aDinVrEr9Bk/WyzlFxX35CI/AAAAAAAABns/7RuKRiM3uE8diOmUzts-izWaxqZyJvO7gCLcBGAs/s1600/Dodecad%2BK12b-2.png

[Pahli]

In my opinion, even they look more Proto-Tungusic or Proto-Arctic than Proto-Turkic. Also I think that Hunns or Proto-Turks are mixture of Xiongnu, Wusun(or other PIE) and Eastern Scythian tribes. For me, Proto-Turks were not much Mongoloid as the samples you showed. If it's so, there are not pure Turkics today.

Edit: Idk much about it. You know very well than me

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aDinVrEr9Bk/WyzlFxX35CI/AAAAAAAABns/7RuKRiM3uE8diOmUzts-izWaxqZyJvO7gCLcBGAs/s1600/Dodecad%2BK12b-2.png

There's no pure Turks nor Iranians, everyone is mixed. These samples come from Proto-Turkic heartland, there's nothing non-Turkic about them, given that they also had high Siberian admix. like other Early Turkic tribes had.

[Hudayar]

In my opinion, even they look more Proto-Tungusic or Proto-Arctic than Proto-Turkic. Also I think that Hunns or Proto-Turks are mixture of Xiongnu, Wusun(or other PIE) and Eastern Scythian tribes. For me, Proto-Turks were not much Mongoloid as the samples you showed. If it's so, there are not pure Turkics today.

Edit: Idk much about it. You know very well than me

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aDinVrEr9Bk/WyzlFxX35CI/AAAAAAAABns/7RuKRiM3uE8diOmUzts-izWaxqZyJvO7gCLcBGAs/s1600/Dodecad%2BK12b-2.png

You could also be right.

But if the Turkic language family is related to language families like Tungusic and Mongolic, your theory is wrong. As it implies that the original speakers were probably full blooded asians who later became nomadic by inhabiting harsh steppes (Siberia is a huge taiga and you can only be a hunter-gatherer there) of Mongolia and Manchuria. I assume the Turkics were the last Altaic group to leave Siberia en masse and they learned the nomadic lifestyle from Mongolians or even maybe from Scythians. Centuries later they started to migrate and form their own states.

By the way, the Native Americans could also be related to proto Turkics as they migrated from the same place, Siberia.

What makes me that those samples are proto Turkic is the frequency of haplogroups N and Q. Those haplogroups are NOT common among Mongolians. Not sure about Manchus or Siberian natives. But those haplogroups can be found in good amounts in Turkic countries.

Compare this

http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/cin-ic-mogolistan-mogollari-ydna-haplogrup-dagilimi-inner-mongolia-ydna-haplogroups.png

to this

http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/afghanistan-turkmens-ydna-haplogroups.png

or to this

https://haplogruplar.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/ozbeklerde-y-dna-haplogrup-dagilimi1.png




N+Q in Chinese Mongolians= 8%

N+Q in Uzbeks from Afghanistan= 13.5%

N+Q in Turkmens from Afghanistan= 40.6%

[Sora]

You could also be right.

But if the Turkic language family is related to language families like Tungusic and Mongolic, your theory is wrong. As it implies that the original speakers were probably full blooded asians who later became nomadic by inhabiting harsh steppes (Siberia is a huge taiga and you can only be a hunter-gatherer there) of Mongolia and Manchuria. I assume the Turkics were the last Altaic group to leave Siberia en masse and they learned the nomadic lifestyle from Mongolians or even maybe from Scythians. Centuries later they started to migrate and form their own states.

By the way, the Native Americans could also be related to proto Turkics as they migrated from the same place, Siberia.

What makes me that those samples are proto Turkic is the frequency of haplogroups N and Q. Those haplogroups are NOT common among Mongolians. Not sure about Manchus or Siberian natives. But those haplogroups can be found in good amounts in Turkic countries.

Maybe. But my theory may be wrong also as you said. That's only my thoughts. Also Native Americans have Q haplogroup too. My mind is confused now. Autosomal results look Tungusic/Mongolia but haplogroup looks Native American. Or as you said, they may be Proto Turks too

[Babak]

Do you have post IE samples?

[Hudayar]

Do you have post IE samples?

Post IE samples?

Like Göktürk ones?

Already posted them. But here they are


Kit Number: M853162


MDLP K23b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_Altaic 17.74
2 South_Central_Asian 17.10
3 European_Early_Farmers 16.39
4 East_Siberian 14.88
5 Tungus-Altaic 12.61
6 Paleo_Siberian 6.37
7 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.48
8 African_Pygmy 3.18
9 Austronesian 3.18
10 South_Indian 1.91
11 Arctic 1.17


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 25.830357
2 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 27.721422
3 Hakas_ @ 29.268610
4 Uzbek_ @ 29.390339
5 Uygur-Han_ @ 29.516068
6 Kazahs_ @ 29.528652
7 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 29.720247
8 Uygur_ @ 30.356359
9 Hazara_ @ 30.458311
10 Bashkir_ @ 30.783096
11 Karakalpak_ @ 31.954903
12 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 32.058510
13 Kazakh_ @ 33.263103
14 Tajik_Afghan_ @ 33.476501
15 Kyrgyz_Bishkek_ @ 34.646530
16 Altaian_ @ 35.060577
17 Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 35.178288
18 Kyrgyz_ @ 36.818623
19 Udmurd_ @ 37.276569
20 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan_ @ 37.287052

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas_ +50% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan_ @ 21.550112


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas_ +25% Kalash_ +25% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ @ 12.959104


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.175221
2 Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.210481
3 Kalash_ + Khant_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.302074
4 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 8.922079
5 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 8.934705
6 Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.048072
7 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.066896
8 Brahui_ + Ket_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.092713
9 Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.133452
10 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.174991
11 Balochi_ + Basque_French_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.202107
12 Brahui_ + Khant_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.229880
13 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Selkup_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.234098
14 Balochi_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.234982
15 Kalash_ + Ket_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.237841
16 French_South_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.294928
17 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Selkup_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.295701
18 Altaian_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ @ 9.308357
19 Balochi_ + Basque_French_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.309978
20 Altaian_ + Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ @ 9.334111

Done.

Elapsed time 119.2529 seconds.

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 26.19
2 Baltic 24.21
3 North_Atlantic 23.48
4 West_Asian 17.10
5 East_Asian 5.22
6 Sub-Saharan 3.81


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar @ 18.681999
2 Chuvash @ 23.984514
3 Mari @ 24.652222
4 Afghan_Turkmen @ 24.726574
5 Shors @ 28.103678
6 Nogay @ 28.818958
7 Uzbeki @ 28.975571
8 Kazakh @ 29.402355
9 Aghan_Hazara @ 31.711138
10 Uygur @ 32.052250
11 Hakas @ 32.092747
12 Hazara @ 33.504925
13 Moldavian @ 33.680466
14 Kirgiz @ 33.839127
15 Hungarian @ 34.303982
16 Kargopol_Russian @ 34.722748
17 Erzya @ 35.209194
18 Croatian @ 35.355377
19 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 35.446297
20 Serbian @ 35.592655

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas +50% North_German @ 12.850308


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_Finnish +25% Tabassaran +25% Yakut @ 9.959872


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 Chuvash + Evenki + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.206764
2 Chuvash + Evenki + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.315027
3 Chuvash + Dolgan + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.393037
4 Chuvash + Norwegian + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.430764
5 Chuvash + Evens + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.462846
6 Chuvash + Swedish + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.499527
7 Chuvash + Dolgan + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.528902
8 Chuvash + Evens + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.541416
9 Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.562206
10 Evenki + Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.634944
11 Chuvash + Evenki + Irish + Tabassaran @ 8.638327
12 Chuvash + Evenki + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 8.646397
13 Dolgan + Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.649209
14 Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.671575
15 Chuvash + Evenki + North_Dutch + Tabassaran @ 8.683611
16 Chuvash + Dolgan + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 8.732194
17 Chuvash + Dolgan + Irish + Tabassaran @ 8.745940
18 Chuvash + Evenki + Lezgin + Norwegian @ 8.751430
19 Evenki + Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.779045
20 Chuvash + Danish + Evenki + Tabassaran @ 8.780746

Done.

Elapsed time 1.5179 seconds.



Second Göktürk:


Kit Number: Z845678

MDLP K23b:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 18.40
2 Tungus-Altaic 14.21
3 Caucasian 14.21
4 South_East_Asian 11.25
5 European_Early_Farmers 10.80
6 South_Central_Asian 9.37
7 East_Siberian 7.77
8 Ancestral_Altaic 7.10
9 Austronesian 3.31
10 Paleo_Siberian 1.80
11 Melano_Polynesian 1.51


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uygur-Han_ @ 16.453325
2 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 16.796291
3 Uzbek_ @ 16.834045
4 Karakalpak_ @ 17.521908
5 Crimean_Tatar_Step_ @ 17.786692
6 Bashkir_ @ 18.369026
7 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 18.561001
8 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 18.713491
9 Kazahs_ @ 19.245539
10 Uygur_ @ 19.370523
11 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 20.045439
12 Tatar_Lithuania_ @ 20.095266
13 Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 21.414087
14 Hazara_ @ 22.721603
15 Tatar-Kazan_ @ 23.747740
16 Kazakh_ @ 23.982128
17 Chuvashs_ @ 24.119719
18 Tatar_ @ 24.130100
19 Tatar-Mishar_ @ 24.976620
20 Nogai_ @ 25.180042

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German-Volga_ +50% Kazahs_ @ 9.071315


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Uygur_ +25% Welsh_ +25% Yukagir_Forest_ @ 6.022388


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
1 French_ + Korean_ + Tajik_Yagnobi_ + Yukagir_Forest_ @ 4.083063
2 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.179436
3 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.205556
4 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.234529
5 Chuvashs_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.243755
6 Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.244120
7 British_ + Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.248521
8 Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.254608
9 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.261424
10 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.272351
11 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_ + Tajik_Yagnobi_ + Yukagir_Forest_ @ 4.299302
12 British_ + Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.317538
13 British_ + Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.328025
14 Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.331493
15 Chuvashs_ + Korean_KR_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.339780
16 Chuvashs_ + Korean_KR_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.344387
17 Chuvashs_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Xibo_ @ 4.347588
18 Korean_ + Mari_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.349043
19 French_ + Mari_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Xibo_ @ 4.357858
20 Japanese_ML_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.360711

Done.

Elapsed time 115.3299 seconds.

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.42
2 Siberian 19.09
3 North_Atlantic 18.70
4 East_Asian 18.55
5 West_Asian 11.59
6 West_Med 5.40
7 East_Med 3.71
8 Amerindian 1.03


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar @ 20.783182
2 Uygur @ 21.934755
3 Afghan_Turkmen @ 22.491089
4 Uzbeki @ 23.141068
5 Kazakh @ 23.616861
6 Aghan_Hazara @ 26.093121
7 Nogay @ 26.403139
8 Hazara @ 26.677250
9 Chuvash @ 27.743759
10 Kirgiz @ 27.754847
11 Shors @ 28.772167
12 Mari @ 30.045675
13 Moldavian @ 31.095219
14 Hakas @ 31.216671
15 Serbian @ 32.070538
16 Romanian @ 32.494301
17 Hungarian @ 32.840744
18 Croatian @ 33.251427
19 Bulgarian @ 33.463650
20 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 34.734238

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Kirgiz @ 7.607682


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kirgiz +25% La_Brana-1 +25% Romanian @ 5.538270


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 Chuvash + Nogay + Norwegian + Xibo @ 2.149634
2 Nogay + North_Swedish + Tatar + Xibo @ 2.223074
3 Hezhen + Nogay + North_Swedish + Tatar @ 2.234707
4 Chuvash + Nogay + North_Dutch + Xibo @ 2.274684
5 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Norwegian @ 2.296829
6 Chuvash + Nogay + Swedish + Xibo @ 2.335683
7 Chuvash + Danish + Nogay + Xibo @ 2.382205
8 Chuvash + Nogay + Orcadian + Xibo @ 2.389293
9 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + North_Dutch @ 2.395756
10 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + Norwegian @ 2.397129
11 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + North_Dutch @ 2.439818
12 Chuvash + Danish + Hezhen + Nogay @ 2.505448
13 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Swedish @ 2.541106
14 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Orcadian @ 2.547318
15 Chuvash + Nogay + North_German + Xibo @ 2.571594
16 Chuvash + Irish + Nogay + Xibo @ 2.637760
17 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + North_German @ 2.649568
18 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + Orcadian @ 2.666461
19 Chuvash + Nogay + Southeast_English + Xibo @ 2.673505
20 Danish + Japanese + Mari + Nogay @ 2.682477

Done.

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[Babak]

Post IE samples?

Like Göktürk ones?

Already posted them. But here they are


Kit Number: M853162


MDLP K23b
Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Ancestral_Altaic17.74
2South_Central_Asian17.10
3European_Early_Farmers16.39
4East_Siberian14.88
5Tungus-Altaic12.61
6Paleo_Siberian6.37
7European_Hunters_Gatherers5.48
8African_Pygmy3.18
9Austronesian3.18
10South_Indian1.91
11Arctic1.17


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 25.830357
2 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 27.721422
3 Hakas_ @ 29.268610
4 Uzbek_ @ 29.390339
5 Uygur-Han_ @ 29.516068
6 Kazahs_ @ 29.528652
7 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 29.720247
8 Uygur_ @ 30.356359
9 Hazara_ @ 30.458311
10 Bashkir_ @ 30.783096
11 Karakalpak_ @ 31.954903
12 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 32.058510
13 Kazakh_ @ 33.263103
14 Tajik_Afghan_ @ 33.476501
15 Kyrgyz_Bishkek_ @ 34.646530
16 Altaian_ @ 35.060577
17 Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 35.178288
18 Kyrgyz_ @ 36.818623
19 Udmurd_ @ 37.276569
20 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan_ @ 37.287052

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas_ +50% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan_ @ 21.550112


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas_ +25% Kalash_ +25% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ @ 12.959104


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.175221
2 Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.210481
3 Kalash_ + Khant_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Ulchi_ @ 8.302074
4 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 8.922079
5 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 8.934705
6 Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.048072
7 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.066896
8 Brahui_ + Ket_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.092713
9 Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.133452
10 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.174991
11 Balochi_ + Basque_French_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.202107
12 Brahui_ + Khant_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.229880
13 Basque_French_ + Brahui_ + Selkup_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.234098
14 Balochi_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Ket_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.234982
15 Kalash_ + Ket_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.237841
16 French_South_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.294928
17 Basque_Spanish_ + Brahui_ + Selkup_ + Tubalar_ @ 9.295701
18 Altaian_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ @ 9.308357
19 Balochi_ + Basque_French_ + Khant_ + Ulchi_ @ 9.309978
20 Altaian_ + Basque_French_ + Kalash_ + Khant_ @ 9.334111

Done.

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Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Siberian26.19
2Baltic24.21
3North_Atlantic23.48
4West_Asian17.10
5East_Asian5.22
6Sub-Saharan3.81


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar @ 18.681999
2 Chuvash @ 23.984514
3 Mari @ 24.652222
4 Afghan_Turkmen @ 24.726574
5 Shors @ 28.103678
6 Nogay @ 28.818958
7 Uzbeki @ 28.975571
8 Kazakh @ 29.402355
9 Aghan_Hazara @ 31.711138
10 Uygur @ 32.052250
11 Hakas @ 32.092747
12 Hazara @ 33.504925
13 Moldavian @ 33.680466
14 Kirgiz @ 33.839127
15 Hungarian @ 34.303982
16 Kargopol_Russian @ 34.722748
17 Erzya @ 35.209194
18 Croatian @ 35.355377
19 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 35.446297
20 Serbian @ 35.592655

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas +50% North_German @ 12.850308


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_Finnish +25% Tabassaran +25% Yakut @ 9.959872


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 Chuvash + Evenki + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.206764
2 Chuvash + Evenki + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.315027
3 Chuvash + Dolgan + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.393037
4 Chuvash + Norwegian + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.430764
5 Chuvash + Evens + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.462846
6 Chuvash + Swedish + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.499527
7 Chuvash + Dolgan + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.528902
8 Chuvash + Evens + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.541416
9 Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.562206
10 Evenki + Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.634944
11 Chuvash + Evenki + Irish + Tabassaran @ 8.638327
12 Chuvash + Evenki + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 8.646397
13 Dolgan + Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 8.649209
14 Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran + Yakut @ 8.671575
15 Chuvash + Evenki + North_Dutch + Tabassaran @ 8.683611
16 Chuvash + Dolgan + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 8.732194
17 Chuvash + Dolgan + Irish + Tabassaran @ 8.745940
18 Chuvash + Evenki + Lezgin + Norwegian @ 8.751430
19 Evenki + Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.779045
20 Chuvash + Danish + Evenki + Tabassaran @ 8.780746

Done.

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Second Göktürk:


Kit Number: Z845678

MDLP K23b:
Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1European_Hunters_Gatherers18.40
2Tungus-Altaic14.21
3Caucasian14.21
4South_East_Asian11.25
5European_Early_Farmers10.80
6South_Central_Asian9.37
7East_Siberian7.77
8Ancestral_Altaic7.10
9Austronesian3.31
10Paleo_Siberian1.80
11Melano_Polynesian1.51


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uygur-Han_ @ 16.453325
2 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 16.796291
3 Uzbek_ @ 16.834045
4 Karakalpak_ @ 17.521908
5 Crimean_Tatar_Step_ @ 17.786692
6 Bashkir_ @ 18.369026
7 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 18.561001
8 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 18.713491
9 Kazahs_ @ 19.245539
10 Uygur_ @ 19.370523
11 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 20.045439
12 Tatar_Lithuania_ @ 20.095266
13 Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 21.414087
14 Hazara_ @ 22.721603
15 Tatar-Kazan_ @ 23.747740
16 Kazakh_ @ 23.982128
17 Chuvashs_ @ 24.119719
18 Tatar_ @ 24.130100
19 Tatar-Mishar_ @ 24.976620
20 Nogai_ @ 25.180042

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German-Volga_ +50% Kazahs_ @ 9.071315


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Uygur_ +25% Welsh_ +25% Yukagir_Forest_ @ 6.022388


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
1 French_ + Korean_ + Tajik_Yagnobi_ + Yukagir_Forest_ @ 4.083063
2 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.179436
3 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.205556
4 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.234529
5 Chuvashs_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.243755
6 Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.244120
7 British_ + Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.248521
8 Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.254608
9 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.261424
10 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.272351
11 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Korean_ + Tajik_Yagnobi_ + Yukagir_Forest_ @ 4.299302
12 British_ + Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.317538
13 British_ + Korean_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.328025
14 Korean_KR_ + Mari_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.331493
15 Chuvashs_ + Korean_KR_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.339780
16 Chuvashs_ + Korean_KR_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.344387
17 Chuvashs_ + Orcadian_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Xibo_ @ 4.347588
18 Korean_ + Mari_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 4.349043
19 French_ + Mari_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Xibo_ @ 4.357858
20 Japanese_ML_ + Mari_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Welsh_ @ 4.360711

Done.

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Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic21.42
2Siberian19.09
3North_Atlantic18.70
4East_Asian18.55
5West_Asian11.59
6West_Med5.40
7East_Med3.71
8Amerindian1.03


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar @ 20.783182
2 Uygur @ 21.934755
3 Afghan_Turkmen @ 22.491089
4 Uzbeki @ 23.141068
5 Kazakh @ 23.616861
6 Aghan_Hazara @ 26.093121
7 Nogay @ 26.403139
8 Hazara @ 26.677250
9 Chuvash @ 27.743759
10 Kirgiz @ 27.754847
11 Shors @ 28.772167
12 Mari @ 30.045675
13 Moldavian @ 31.095219
14 Hakas @ 31.216671
15 Serbian @ 32.070538
16 Romanian @ 32.494301
17 Hungarian @ 32.840744
18 Croatian @ 33.251427
19 Bulgarian @ 33.463650
20 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 34.734238

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Kirgiz @ 7.607682


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kirgiz +25% La_Brana-1 +25% Romanian @ 5.538270


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 Chuvash + Nogay + Norwegian + Xibo @ 2.149634
2 Nogay + North_Swedish + Tatar + Xibo @ 2.223074
3 Hezhen + Nogay + North_Swedish + Tatar @ 2.234707
4 Chuvash + Nogay + North_Dutch + Xibo @ 2.274684
5 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Norwegian @ 2.296829
6 Chuvash + Nogay + Swedish + Xibo @ 2.335683
7 Chuvash + Danish + Nogay + Xibo @ 2.382205
8 Chuvash + Nogay + Orcadian + Xibo @ 2.389293
9 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + North_Dutch @ 2.395756
10 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + Norwegian @ 2.397129
11 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + North_Dutch @ 2.439818
12 Chuvash + Danish + Hezhen + Nogay @ 2.505448
13 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Swedish @ 2.541106
14 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + Orcadian @ 2.547318
15 Chuvash + Nogay + North_German + Xibo @ 2.571594
16 Chuvash + Irish + Nogay + Xibo @ 2.637760
17 Chuvash + Hezhen + Nogay + North_German @ 2.649568
18 Japanese + Mari + Nogay + Orcadian @ 2.666461
19 Chuvash + Nogay + Southeast_English + Xibo @ 2.673505
20 Danish + Japanese + Mari + Nogay @ 2.682477

Done.

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[Yaglakar]

Makes sense since Turkic and Mongolic languages separated 4-5 thousand years ago. And if one goes even further back in time, he/she will bump into Finno-Ugric languages. Layers upon layers, like a carousel, Mongoloid>Caucasoid>Caucasoid>Mongoloid

[Sora]

So, which Turkic people represent purest Turks today?

[Hudayar]

So, which Turkic people represent purest Turks today?

purest Turks? Not confirmed yet. If those samples are indeed proto Turkic, i'd say Yakuts and Tuvans.

[Sora]

purest Turks? Not confirmed yet. If those samples are indeed proto Turkic, i'd say Yakuts and Tuvans.

I don't think Yakuts are pure Turkics. I know them as Kurykans( a Turkic tribe which lived in Baikal area) who mixed with Tungusic, Samoyedic and paleo-Siberian peoples. Also they have 100% Siberian admixture, while other Turkic tribes do not have. Maybe Tuvans are pure Turks but Yakuts are exactly not

Edit: Can you post any Tuvan samples?