Greek Cypriot MyHeritage - Why Sephardic?

[Teucer]

I know most people think MyHeritage is garbage but they are the only ones I can find on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNUt8fVSNQA

I am struggling to understand the Sephardic connection with Cyprus. Did many come to the island after fleeing Spain, or is this connection just based on shared Canaanite heritage?

[Teucer]

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[Kamal900]

Shared Levantine heritage for the most part. I get around 20% Sephardim in MyHeritage as well.

[Teucer]

Shared Levantine heritage for the most part. I get around 20% Sephardim in MyHeritage as well.

But why not Mizhari? Would it not make more sense for Cypriots and Palestinians to have Mizhari ancestry over Sephardic if it is simply due to shared Levantine heritage?

[Kamal900]

But why not Mizhari? Would it not make more sense for Cypriots and Palestinians to have Mizhari ancestry over Sephardic if it is simply due to shared Levantine heritage?

Hmm, that I don't know, but I guess because Sephardic Jews have significant Southern European admixture mixed with Levantine/Canaanite heritage which what most Cypriots are basically. Cypriots are around 25 to 30% genetically Southern European while the rest is native Levantine.

[Teucer]

Hmm, that I don't know, but I guess because Sephardic Jews have significant Southern European admixture mixed with Levantine/Canaanite heritage which what most Cypriots are basically. Cypriots are around 25 to 30% genetically Southern European while the rest is native Levantine.

Well if they are clustering more with Sephardics than Mizhari then it shows they have a bit more European ancestry than you afford them currently, even if it is a small amount. Otherwise they would cluster more with Iranian/Iraqi jews

[Kamal900]

Well if they are clustering more with Sephardics than Mizhari then it shows they have a bit more European ancestry than you afford them currently, even if it is a small amount. Otherwise they would cluster more with Iranian/Iraqi jews

My cousin, who happens to be Palestinian, cluster very closely with the Sephardim and Cypriots due on the fact that he has 27% European admixture:

Eurogenes K13:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 35.09
2 West_Asian 19.82
3 Red_Sea 14.03
4 West_Med 12.99
5 North_Atlantic 8.2
6 Northeast_African 4.69
7 South_Asian 2.64
8 Sub-Saharan 2.03
9 Amerindian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Syrian 5.52
2 Lebanese_Muslim 7.36
3 Jordanian 7.86
4 Palestinian 9.15
5 Libyan_Jewish 10.64
6 Tunisian_Jewish 10.77
7 Bedouin 11.04
8 Cyprian 11.66
9 Samaritan 11.7
10 Sephardic_Jewish 12.8
11 Lebanese_Christian 13.25
12 Lebanese_Druze 13.89
13 Kurdish_Jewish 14.22
14 Iranian_Jewish 14.34
15 Algerian_Jewish 14.82
16 Italian_Jewish 15.28
17 Assyrian 15.5
18 Turkish 15.72
19 Egyptian 15.79
20 South_Italian 16.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.6% Syrian + 9.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.45
2 90.4% Syrian + 9.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.47
3 92.9% Syrian + 7.1% French_Basque @ 3.5
4 90.2% Syrian + 9.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.51
5 90.9% Syrian + 9.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.52
6 90.3% Syrian + 9.7% Portuguese @ 3.53
7 91.4% Syrian + 8.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.54
8 92.8% Syrian + 7.2% Southwest_English @ 3.57
9 90.6% Syrian + 9.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.58
10 93% Syrian + 7% West_Scottish @ 3.59
11 90.6% Syrian + 9.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.62
12 91.5% Syrian + 8.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.63
13 91% Syrian + 9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.63
14 93% Syrian + 7% Irish @ 3.63
15 91.3% Syrian + 8.7% French @ 3.64
16 92.8% Syrian + 7.2% Southeast_English @ 3.67
17 93% Syrian + 7% Orcadian @ 3.68
18 91% Syrian + 9% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.69
19 93.1% Syrian + 6.9% North_Dutch @ 3.76
20 92% Syrian + 8% Southwest_French @ 3.76

MDLP Project world:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Middle_East 35.61
2 Caucaus_Parsia 27.69
3 South_and_West_European 26.93
4 Sub_Saharian 5.11
5 Indian 2.26
6 North_and_East_European 1.29


Finished reading population data. 257 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lebanese @ 5.665283
2 Jew_Syria @ 6.822246
3 Druze @ 6.993244
4 Syrian @ 7.236310
5 Jordanian @ 10.764506
6 Jew_Georgia @ 11.707479
7 Cypriot @ 11.861528
8 Iraqi @ 12.583071
9 Palestinian @ 12.940561
10 Jew_Tunisia @ 13.135030
11 Jew_Libya @ 13.893231
12 Jew-Iraqi @ 14.441203
13 Jew_Algeria @ 14.498289
14 Jew_Iraqi @ 15.349614
15 Jew_Azerbaijan @ 16.516331
16 Sephardim @ 16.886019
17 Jew-Uzbekistan @ 17.287634
18 Jew-Iran @ 17.578465
19 Jew_Italia @ 17.838795
20 Jew_Tat @ 17.839716

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Iraqi +50% Jew_Tunisia @ 2.141642


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriot +25% Iranian +25% Egyptian @ 1.607062


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Cypriot + Sephardim + Jew_Azerbaijan + Yemen @ 1.369766
2 Cypriot + Jew_Italia + Jew_Azerbaijan + Yemen @ 1.465403
3 Cypriot + Kurd + Jew_Tunisia + Egyptian @ 1.467518
4 Cypriot + Sephardim + Jew_Tat + Yemen @ 1.505829
5 Syrian + Jew_Morocco + Georgian_Laz + Egyptian @ 1.510037
6 Cypriot + Jew_France + Jew_Azerbaijan + Yemen @ 1.528871
7 Cypriot + Jew-Uzbekistan + Sephardim + Yemen @ 1.534621
8 Cypriot + Jew-Uzbekistan + Jew-Uzbekistan + Mozabite @ 1.561527
9 Cypriot + Jew-Uzbekistan + Jew_Kurd + Mozabite @ 1.573038
10 Cypriot + Jew_France + Jew_Tat + Yemen @ 1.596984
11 Jew_Syria + Jew_Morocco + Yemen + Armenian @ 1.597223
12 Cypriot + Jew_Iraqi + Jew-Uzbekistan + Mozabite @ 1.600506
13 Cypriot + Cypriot + Iranian + Egyptian @ 1.607062
14 Cypriot + Jew_Italia + Jew_Tat + Yemen @ 1.619356
15 Cypriot + Jew_Tunisia + Yemen + Armenian @ 1.622307
16 Cypriot + Jew_Algeria + Kurd + Egyptian @ 1.660185
17 Cypriot + Iranian + Sephardim + Egyptian @ 1.691715
18 Jew_Syria + Sephardim + Yemen + Armenian @ 1.696764
19 Cypriot + Jew_Morocco + Yemen + Armenian @ 1.697144
20 Cypriot + Jew_Kurd + Mozabite + Jew_Azerbaijan @ 1.701150

[Hadouken]

^ a distance of 11-12 is "cluster very closely" to you ?

[Kamal900]

^ a distance of 11-12 is "cluster very closely" to you ?

Not that close, but still close enough. He's more closer to Cypriots than to an average Palestinian due to his European admixture.

[Sp_loa]

Myheritage Sephardi reference isn't really Sephardic but rather North African Jews from various countries. While Moroccan Jews (like my own) are close to be almost full Sephardi, Libyan Jews for example are almost full levantine and they are also part of the reference of my heritage.

[Hadouken]

Not that close, but still close enough. He's more closer to Cypriots than to an average Palestinian due to his European admixture.

he is not . palestinian is nr.4 in the list with a distance of 9 and in the second run cypriot is barely closer

[Sp_loa]

Not that close, but still close enough. He's more closer to Cypriots than to an average Palestinian due to his European admixture.

Can you try this Calculator (for your self) , I find it really accurate and I'm curious to see what would you score:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?215986-unofficial-Oracles-for-EurogenesK15

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[Kamal900]

Can you try this Calculator (for your self) , I find it really accurate and I'm curious to see what would you score:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?215986-unofficial-Oracles-for-EurogenesK15

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Okay.

[Sp_loa]

Teucer These are pretty much my Autosomal modules :

62.0% Samaritan + 38.0% Sp_La-Mancha @ 5.476,
88.0% Malta + 12.0% Bedouin @ 5.613,
65.0% Samaritan + 35.0% Sp_Cantabrian @ 5.638,
62.0% Samaritan + 38.0% Sp_Valencian @ 5.722,
77.0% Malta + 23.0% Samaritan @ 5.726,
59.0% Samaritan + 41.0% Sp_Canarians @ 5.733,
63.0% Samaritan + 37.0% Spain @ 5.736,
64.0% Samaritan + 36.0% SP_Catalan @ 5.814,
64.0% Samaritan + 36.0% Sp_Aragon @ 5.929,
67.0% Samaritan + 33.0% Spa_part_basque @ 5.965,
64.0% Samaritan + 36.0% Spanish_Other @ 6.029,
64.0% Samaritan + 36.0% Sp_Asturias @ 6.087,
62.0% Samaritan + 38.0% Sp_Castilla-Leon @ 6.094,
62.0% Samaritan + 38.0% Sp_Galicia @ 6.101,
62.0% Samaritan + 38.0% Sp_Balearic @ 6.155,
69.0% Samaritan + 31.0% Spanish_Basque @ 6.466,
65.0% Samaritan + 35.0% French_South @ 6.468,

We share levantine ancestry but our type of European is different (Greek vs Iberian) and because Iberians are north shifted of Greeks we plot a bit northern of Cyprus (I personally plot with dodecanese- South Aegean)

[happycow]

Can you try this Calculator (for your self) , I find it really accurate and I'm curious to see what would you score:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?215986-unofficial-Oracles-for-EurogenesK15

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Here is mine if you havent seen it, K15 test

91.0% Palestinian + 9.0% Balkar @ 4.14,
50.0% Bedouin + 50.0% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.154,
83.0% Palestinian + 17.0% Turkish @ 4.282,
91.0% Palestinian + 9.0% Kabardin @ 4.294,
92.0% Palestinian + 8.0% Georgian @ 4.337,
92.0% Palestinian + 8.0% Ossetian @ 4.401,
93.0% Palestinian + 7.0% North_Ossetian @ 4.447,
91.0% Palestinian + 9.0% Adygei @ 4.505,
93.0% Palestinian + 7.0% Chechen @ 4.534,
92.0% Palestinian + 8.0% Lezgin @ 4.549,
92.0% Palestinian + 8.0% Tabassaran @ 4.552,
91.0% Palestinian + 9.0% Kumyk @ 4.582,
58.0% Bedouin + 42.0% Iraq @ 4.705,
58.0% Iraq + 42.0% Egyptian @ 4.739,
87.0% Palestinian + 13.0% Greek_Pontics @ 4.745,
75.0% Jordanian + 25.0% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.754,

[Sikeliot]

Any population with Levantine in them will score Sephardic on Myheritage. Many Sicilians score it also, as do some full Levantines, Cypriots, etc.

[Teucer]

Any population with Levantine in them will score Sephardic on Myheritage. Many Sicilians score it also, as do some full Levantines, Cypriots, etc.

But why not Mizhari when they are more MENA? That is my point

[Teucer]

Any population with Levantine in them will score Sephardic on Myheritage. Many Sicilians score it also, as do some full Levantines, Cypriots, etc.

I'd still like a reply to the above point

[Sikeliot]

But why not Mizhari when they are more MENA? That is my point

I do not know. The Mizrahi Jews might have too high Caucasus and too low SW Asian.

[Teucer]

I do not know. The Mizrahi Jews might have too high Caucasus and too low SW Asian.

That doesn't make much sense. Why would Mizhari not have more SW than Sephardics?

[Sikeliot]

That doesn't make much sense. Why would Mizhari not have more SW than Sephardics?

Mizrahi Jews are closer to Assyrians/Armenians/Iranians, not to Levantines or Arabians. These are heavily Caucasian populations.

[Teucer]

Mizrahi Jews are closer to Assyrians/Armenians/Iranians, not to Levantines or Arabians. These are heavily Caucasian populations.

Didn't realise, thought they were Levantine like the other Jewish groups

[Sikeliot]

Putting it alternatively, people like European Jews, Sicilians/South Italians, Cypriots have disproportionately high SW Asian such that you need a more SW Asian-heavy MENA group to model them, not a heavily Caucasian one.

[eric cartman]

Mizrahi Jews are closer to Assyrians/Armenians/Iranians, not to Levantines or Arabians. These are heavily Caucasian populations.

Thats just wrong. Iraqi/Kurdish/Persian jews are way closer to Levantines than they are to Persians or Kurds.

[Sp_loa]

Mizrahi Jews are closer to Assyrians/Armenians/Iranians, not to Levantines or Arabians. These are heavily Caucasian populations.

Iraqi Jews cluster with Syrians and are moduled in gedmatch as 75% Samaritan + 25% West Asian (Mesopotamian?).

[Teucer]

Putting it alternatively, people like European Jews, Sicilians/South Italians, Cypriots have disproportionately high SW Asian such that you need a more SW Asian-heavy MENA group to model them, not a heavily Caucasian one.


Thats just wrong. Iraqi/Kurdish/Persian jews are way closer to Levantines than they are to Persians or Kurds.


Iraqi Jews cluster with Syrians and are moduled in gedmatch as 75% Samaritan + 25% West Asian (Mesopotamian?).

Right.

So this is my question, again.

Why do Cypriots get Sephardic DNA when, in reality, they should be being matched with Mizharim since they have remained the most 'pure', for lack of a better word.

What do Sephardics have more in common? More North African? More Sardinian/Neolithic farmer?

[Evagoras]

Right.

So this is my question, again.

Why do Cypriots get Sephardic DNA when, in reality, they should be being matched with Mizharim since they have remained the most 'pure', for lack of a better word.

What do Sephardics have more in common? More North African? More Sardinian/Neolithic farmer?

It's about common admixture. Cypriots are closer to Sephardim than to Mizrahim as they have more common East Mediterranean/ West Levantine than Mizrahim. So this may appear on some autosomal tests- it did for me. Mizrahim are more Messapotamian shifted. These admixture results would also apply to Cretans (who are even closer to Sephardim than Cypriots, as well as southern Italians). Continental Greeks have a Slavic component, which Ashkenazim also have, so continental Greeks should be closer (in an admixture sense) to Ashkenazi Jews than southern Greek islanders are, or southern Italians are, for that matter.



Have you fed your data into Eurogenes K13 and other calculators?