Xiongnu DNA

[Sora]

Here is a Hunnic (Xiongnu) sample from Khövsgöl, Mongolia who lived approximately 2200 years ago. His Y-DNA is: R-PH200 and MtDNA is G3a3

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-33ade356ad0d985fac2a89241389ed36

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-58bfbe95ade739be080bf089bec60950

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-033ddccee522c7746a98438f4ac1af30

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bashkir @ 15,567593
2 Karakalpak @ 17,421677
3 Uyghur @ 21,047684
4 Uzbek @ 21,086003
5 Hazara @ 22,15717
6 Kazakh @ 22,534892
7 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 24,857547
8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 28,295297
9 Altai @ 28,608034
10 Tatar_Kazan @ 29,823601
11 Chuvashs @ 31,218387
12 Tajiks @ 34,033011
13 Mongol_Buryat @ 37,999598
14 Turkmen_Ashgabat @ 38,978026
15 Mongol_Khalka @ 39,307125
16 Tuva @ 40,428864
17 Nogai @ 41,078088
18 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal @ 42,641284
19 Buryat @ 43,231352
20 Turk_Bulgaria @ 43,764101

Another sample is a Hun from the Tianshan (Kyrgyzstan), direct descendants of the Xiongnu, who approximately lived 1600 years ago.

His Y-DNA is E-V22 and MtDNA: N9a9

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-521959d14cb479ee60b4774bf269a46e

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c5bda9f72046dac9a97678fa6c51b069

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Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 15.624025
2 Bashkir_ @ 16.151781
3 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 16.594776
4 Uzbek_ @ 17.881296
5 Karakalpak_ @ 19.484091
6 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 19.731037
7 Uygur-Han_ @ 20.149899
8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 20.526114
9 Kazahs_ @ 21.671062
10 Crimean_Tatar_Step_ @ 22.046841
11 Uygur_ @ 22.684078
12 Hazara_ @ 23.722591
13 Kazakh_ @ 24.249681
14 Chuvashs_ @ 24.330004
15 Tatar_ @ 25.712357
16 Tatar_Lithuania_ @ 25.828896
17 Udmurd_ @ 26.434635
18 Tatar-Lithuanian_ @ 26.658192
19 Tatar-Kazan_ @ 27.023262
20 Tajik_Afghan_ @ 27.288195

Bonus:

Here is a sample from the Sarybel kurgans (1000–600 BC) in Altai republic calculated with Dodecad K12b;

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b0edc681290307bd8b155a12c7841df8

Oracle-4 proximity results:

1 Chuvashs_Behar @ 24.595221
2 Uzbeks_Behar @ 26.595039
3 Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 32.050438
4 Uygur_HGDP @ 33.025448
5 Hazara_HGDP @ 33.892971
6 Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 37.672382
7 Mordovians_Yunusbayev @ 38.991940
8 Altai_Rasmussen @ 39.337231
9 Russian_HGDP @ 40.327847
10 Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 40.663506
11 Hungarians_Behar @ 41.718472
12 Russian_Dodecad @ 43.677200
13 German_Dodecad @ 43.773705
14 Romanians_Behar @ 44.431152
15 Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 44.454243
16 Selkup_Rasmussen @ 44.473331
17 Mixed_Slav_Dodecad @ 44.541073
18 Russian_B_Behar @ 44.700199
19 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 44.847599
20 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 45.879894

Edit: Copied from Quora

[Sora]

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[Sora]

More result of random Xiongnu from Gedmatch:

Xiongnu 1

Her mtDna: D4b2b4

puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 27.97
2 European_HG 21.73
3 Siberian 18.37
4 East_Asian 13.52
5 Beringian 7.72
6 South_Asian 6.36
7 Amerindian 3.33


Finished reading population data. 135 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uzbek @ 16.682775
2 Turkmen @ 16.950617
3 Hazara @ 21.082134
4 Nogai @ 25.687479
5 Tajik_Pomiri @ 27.986607
6 Chuvash @ 32.713833
7 Afghan_Pashtun @ 34.955360
8 Burusho @ 35.533001
9 Chechen @ 36.123875
10 Altaian @ 37.561760
11 Turkish_Aydin @ 37.827610
12 Mordovian @ 38.579777
13 Pakistan_Pashtun @ 39.103912
14 Kumyk @ 39.216370
15 Balkar @ 39.512257
16 Lezgin @ 39.632370
17 Adygei @ 39.910057
18 Haryana_Jatt @ 39.930931
19 Turkish @ 40.045609
20 Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh @ 40.625820

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Altaian +50% Tajik_Pomiri @ 13.890390


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +25% Makrani +25% Mongolian @ 12.810207


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++
1 Hazara + Makrani + Russian + Tuvinian @ 12.072941
2 Altaian + Hazara + Makrani + Russian @ 12.095563
3 Altaian + Chuvash + Hazara + Makrani @ 12.160081
4 Chuvash + Makrani + Tuvinian + Uzbek @ 12.224659
5 Brahui + Hazara + Russian + Tuvinian @ 12.367852
6 Chuvash + Hazara + Hazara + Tajik_Pomiri @ 12.382135
7 Hazara + Lithuanian + Makrani + Tuvinian @ 12.385599
8 Altaian + Brahui + Hazara + Russian @ 12.403799
9 Altaian + Chuvash + Makrani + Uzbek @ 12.405453
10 Makrani + Russian + Turkmen + Tuvinian @ 12.419900
11 Brahui + Lithuanian + Mongolian + Selkup @ 12.430064
12 Estonian + Hazara + Makrani + Tuvinian @ 12.446307
13 Mongolian + Selkup + Tajik_Pomiri + Tajik_Pomiri @ 12.449619
14 Altaian + Chuvash + Makrani + Turkmen @ 12.464595
15 Makrani + Russian + Tuvinian + Uzbek @ 12.465022
16 Hazara + Makrani + Russian + Selkup @ 12.479131
17 Brahui + Estonian + Mongolian + Selkup @ 12.483354
18 Altaian + Brahui + Chuvash + Hazara @ 12.490513
19 Balochi + Hazara + Russian + Tuvinian @ 12.512012
20 Lithuanian + Makrani + Mongolian + Selkup @ 12.512685

Xiongnu 2:

His Y-Dna: O-F4062 mtDna: D4a

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 51.80
2 Siberian 39.42
3 Beringian 2.92
4 Anatolian_NF 2.48
5 Caucasus_HG 1.01


Finished reading population data. 135 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Mongolian @ 14.028235
2 Korean @ 24.021214
3 Japanese @ 26.736029
4 Tuvinian @ 26.852646
5 Altaian @ 29.529242
6 Han_Chinese @ 39.199825
7 Hazara @ 41.276596
8 Dolgan @ 44.665989
9 Yakut @ 44.745747
10 Cambodian @ 47.806240
11 Vietnamese @ 50.271507
12 Turkmen @ 52.010941
13 Uzbek @ 57.276539
14 Selkup @ 59.096870
15 Ami @ 61.701851
16 Nogai @ 67.003624
17 Chuvash @ 72.079185
18 Turkish_Aydin @ 73.718681
19 Somali_Benadiri @ 77.433411
20 Nganasan @ 77.508072

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Vietnamese +50% Yakut @ 4.901121


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Mongolian +25% Mongolian +25% Yakut @ 3.667962


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++
1 Dolgan + Mongolian + Mongolian + Mongolian @ 3.469447
2 Mongolian + Mongolian + Mongolian + Yakut @ 3.667962
3 Altaian + Ami + Han_Chinese + Nganasan @ 3.669290
4 Dolgan + Korean + Mongolian + Mongolian @ 3.762895
5 Ami + Ami + Dolgan + Nganasan @ 3.942334
6 Dolgan + Han_Chinese + Vietnamese + Yakut @ 3.980187
7 Ami + Dolgan + Japanese + Yakut @ 3.989740
8 Han_Chinese + Vietnamese + Yakut + Yakut @ 4.059921
9 Ami + Dolgan + Korean + Yakut @ 4.066396
10 Dolgan + Japanese + Mongolian + Mongolian @ 4.146391
11 Ami + Dolgan + Nganasan + Vietnamese @ 4.149097
12 Mongolian + Mongolian + Nganasan + Vietnamese @ 4.151478
13 Korean + Mongolian + Mongolian + Yakut @ 4.182713
14 Ami + Han_Chinese + Nganasan + Tuvinian @ 4.385416
15 Nganasan + Tuvinian + Vietnamese + Vietnamese @ 4.453436
16 Japanese + Mongolian + Mongolian + Yakut @ 4.457405
17 Han_Chinese + Japanese + Tuvinian + Yakut @ 4.462347
18 Ami + Japanese + Yakut + Yakut @ 4.496941
19 Altaian + Nganasan + Vietnamese + Vietnamese @ 4.546329
20 Dolgan + Han_Chinese + Han_Chinese + Yakut @ 4.629179

[Nurzat]

basically 1/2 Mongolic (Siberian+East Asian), 1/4 Oriental (Caucasian) and 1/4 Northern Euro. I'm very curious how they looked with this cool mix. they probably looked great, imagine the bony face of the Mongolic + Northern Euro CroMagnon and maybe some Nordid in it too and some Oriental genes to harmonize it all

[Sora]

Results of Tian Shan Hunns:

Tianshan Hun 1:

His Y-Dna: R-PH200 mtDna: A16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 26.38
2 European_HG 23.70
3 Siberian 15.97
4 Beringian 11.03
5 East_Asian 8.91
6 Anatolian_NF 5.72
7 South_Asian 5.67
8 Amerindian 2.62


Finished reading population data. 135 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uzbek @ 16.873474
2 Turkmen @ 19.211090
3 Nogai @ 22.271940
4 Hazara @ 25.593414
5 Tajik_Pomiri @ 25.724983
6 Chuvash @ 27.984570
7 Chechen @ 32.565590
8 Mordovian @ 32.784214
9 Turkish_Aydin @ 32.865143
10 Afghan_Pashtun @ 34.083046
11 Russian @ 35.310944
12 Kumyk @ 35.785446
13 Balkar @ 36.092701
14 Turkish @ 36.130733
15 Adygei @ 36.417427
16 Burusho @ 36.435982
17 Lezgin @ 36.795055
18 Bulgarian @ 37.637966
19 Croatian @ 37.719421
20 North_Ossetian @ 38.190483

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +50% Uzbek @ 13.653758


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +25% Hazara +25% Makrani @ 11.722509


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
1 Chuvash + Eskimo + Tajik_Pomiri + Turkmen @ 9.738883
2 Eskimo + Hazara + Russian + Tajik_Pomiri @ 10.027202
3 Chuvash + Eskimo + Hazara + Tajik_Pomiri @ 10.140605
4 Eskimo + Hazara + Mordovian + Tajik_Pomiri @ 10.221712
5 Eskimo + Finnish + Hazara + Tajik_Pomiri @ 10.237569
6 Eskimo + Russian + Tajik_Pomiri + Turkmen @ 10.270376
7 Eskimo + Mordovian + Tajik_Pomiri + Turkmen @ 10.505673
8 Chuvash + Eskimo + Tajik_Pomiri + Uzbek @ 10.528458
9 Altaian + Brahui + Eskimo + Lithuanian @ 10.532692
10 Altaian + Eskimo + Lithuanian + Makrani @ 10.539102
11 Eskimo + Finnish + Tajik_Pomiri + Turkmen @ 10.549281
12 Altaian + Balochi + Eskimo + Lithuanian @ 10.650575
13 Altaian + Eskimo + Estonian + Makrani @ 10.653335
14 Altaian + Brahui + Eskimo + Estonian @ 10.680694
15 Altaian + Balochi + Eskimo + Estonian @ 10.796961
16 Afghan_Pashtun + Chuvash + Eskimo + Turkmen @ 10.806537
17 Chuvash + Eskimo + Hazara + Lezgin @ 10.815831
18 Altaian + Eskimo + Finnish + Makrani @ 10.826492
19 Altaian + Brahui + Eskimo + Finnish @ 10.864926
20 Eskimo + Hazara + Lithuanian + Tajik_Pomiri @ 10.865458

Tian Shan Hun 2:

His Y-Dna: R-S23592 mtDna: H13a2a

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 36.78
2 European_HG 25.81
3 Siberian 12.59
4 Anatolian_NF 10.66
5 South_Asian 5.35
6 Amerindian 3.29
7 Beringian 3.21
8 Near_East 2.10


Finished reading population data. 135 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tajik_Pomiri @ 14.185122
2 Nogai @ 17.289164
3 Chechen @ 19.615660
4 Uzbek @ 19.654633
5 Lezgin @ 23.535559
6 Turkmen @ 23.826441
7 Kumyk @ 24.419279
8 Adygei @ 24.661716
9 Balkar @ 25.051382
10 Afghan_Pashtun @ 25.608227
11 Turkish_Aydin @ 26.611664
12 North_Ossetian @ 27.217470
13 Turkish @ 27.752182
14 Mordovian @ 28.905725
15 Chuvash @ 29.906954
16 Kurdish @ 30.240940
17 Bulgarian @ 30.747543
18 Pakistan_Pashtun @ 31.499098
19 Croatian @ 31.656588
20 Iranian @ 32.761395

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +50% Makrani @ 9.422823


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +25% Lezgin +25% Makrani @ 6.122509


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belarusian + Lezgin + Makrani + Selkup @ 4.942239
2 Estonian + Lezgin + Makrani + Selkup @ 5.077366
3 Lezgin + Lithuanian + Makrani + Selkup @ 5.091744
4 Belarusian + Brahui + Lezgin + Selkup @ 5.221927
5 Brahui + Lezgin + Lithuanian + Selkup @ 5.241394
6 Abkhasian + Lithuanian + Makrani + Selkup @ 5.283620
7 Brahui + Estonian + Lezgin + Selkup @ 5.300470
8 Balochi + Belarusian + Lezgin + Selkup @ 5.356425
9 Abkhasian + Estonian + Makrani + Selkup @ 5.410917
10 Balochi + Lezgin + Lithuanian + Selkup @ 5.437597
11 Lithuanian + Makrani + North_Ossetian + Selkup @ 5.452978
12 Estonian + Makrani + North_Ossetian + Selkup @ 5.474609
13 Balochi + Estonian + Lezgin + Selkup @ 5.485945
14 Brahui + Lithuanian + North_Ossetian + Selkup @ 5.541008
15 Abkhasian + Brahui + Lithuanian + Selkup @ 5.596601
16 Abkhasian + Balochi + Lithuanian + Selkup @ 5.623179
17 Brahui + Estonian + North_Ossetian + Selkup @ 5.626535
18 Balochi + Lithuanian + North_Ossetian + Selkup @ 5.728304
19 Belarusian + Makrani + North_Ossetian + Selkup @ 5.745872
20 Abkhasian + Brahui + Estonian + Selkup @ 5.779453

[Bosniensis]

Where are Turks in admixture?

No People of Turkey in mixed matches?

What happened to Turan power in Turkey?

[Sora]

basically 1/2 Mongolic (Siberian+East Asian), 1/4 Oriental (Caucasian) and 1/4 Northern Euro. I'm very curious how they looked with this cool mix. they probably looked great, imagine the bony face of the Mongolic + Northern Euro CroMagnon and maybe some Nordid in it too and some Oriental genes to harmonize it all

True! :cool: You're obviously right. They can be modelled as 1/2 Mongoloid, 1/4 North European and 1/4 West Asian(Oriental). I think they were beautiful/handsome. Also I read that a Turkish anthropolog (I don't remember her name) said that "All mixed race people are beautiful. There's no such a thing as ugly mixed person."

[Sora]

Where are Turks in admixture?

No People of Turkey in mixed matches?

What happened to Turan power in Turkey?

We're mixture of Central Asian + Anatolian. So, it's normal that we're not in these matches. Also look at this match:




Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bashkir @ 15,567593
2 Karakalpak @ 17,421677
3 Uyghur @ 21,047684
4 Uzbek @ 21,086003
5 Hazara @ 22,15717
6 Kazakh @ 22,534892
7 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 24,857547
8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 28,295297
9 Altai @ 28,608034
10 Tatar_Kazan @ 29,823601
11 Chuvashs @ 31,218387
12 Tajiks @ 34,033011
13 Mongol_Buryat @ 37,999598
14 Turkmen_Ashgabat @ 38,978026
15 Mongol_Khalka @ 39,307125
16 Tuva @ 40,428864
17 Nogai @ 41,078088
18 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal @ 42,641284
19 Buryat @ 43,231352
20 Turk_Bulgaria @ 43,764101



Your neo-Ottoman dreams fell down ;)

[Lucas]

True! :cool: You're obviously right. They can be modelled as 1/2 Mongoloid, 1/4 North European and 1/4 West Asian(Oriental). I think they were beautiful/handsome. Also I read that a Turkish anthropolog (I don't remember her name) said that "All mixed race people are beautiful. There's no such a thing as ugly mixed person."

Nothing beatiful, Such combo has many Central Asians now...

[Sora]

A Tian Shan Hun who scores 7% SSA :shocked:

His Y-Dna: E-V22, mtDna: N9a9

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_HG 25.38
2 Caucasus_HG 18.49
3 Siberian 17.61
4 Anatolian_NF 8.85
5 East_Asian 7.45
6 Sub-Saharan 7.16
7 Amerindian 5.50
8 Beringian 4.92
9 South_Asian 2.14
10 Near_East 2.01


Finished reading population data. 135 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uzbek @ 21.542437
2 Turkmen @ 22.325415
3 Chuvash @ 23.163395
4 Nogai @ 25.679361
5 Hazara @ 27.727831
6 Mordovian @ 29.800577
7 Tajik_Pomiri @ 31.957779
8 Russian @ 32.278725
9 Turkish_Aydin @ 33.195057
10 Croatian @ 34.620369
11 Bulgarian @ 34.962418
12 Hungarian @ 35.793526
13 Finnish @ 35.927723
14 Romanian @ 36.356831
15 Czech @ 36.871292
16 Dutch_South @ 36.929943
17 Chechen @ 37.308105
18 Dutch_North @ 37.622231
19 Belarusian @ 37.739399
20 German_North @ 37.835541

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +50% Turkmen @ 12.009977


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +25% Hazara +25% Somali_Benadiri @ 8.752423


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 Hazara + Lithuanian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.390833
2 Estonian + Hazara + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.449072
3 Estonian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 8.651822
4 Estonian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Turkmen @ 8.653232
5 Lithuanian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Turkmen @ 8.654345
6 Lithuanian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 8.670973
7 Chuvash + Chuvash + Hazara + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.752423
8 Belarusian + Hazara + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.916458
9 Russian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 8.955240
10 Finnish + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 8.981514
11 Nogai + Russian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.993238
12 Belarusian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 9.081323
13 Belarusian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Turkmen @ 9.108434
14 Altaian + Chuvash + Mordovian + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.124809
15 Altaian + Chuvash + Chuvash + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.132114
16 Finnish + Nogai + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.197803
17 Chuvash + Nogai + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.218531
18 Altaian + Chuvash + Russian + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.224834
19 Estonian + Nogai + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.240118
20 Finnish + Hazara + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.297870

[Lauχum]

A Tian Shan Hun who scores 7% SSA :shocked:

His Y-Dna: E-V22, mtDna: N9a9

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_HG 25.38
2 Caucasus_HG 18.49
3 Siberian 17.61
4 Anatolian_NF 8.85
5 East_Asian 7.45
6 Sub-Saharan 7.16
7 Amerindian 5.50
8 Beringian 4.92
9 South_Asian 2.14
10 Near_East 2.01


Finished reading population data. 135 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uzbek @ 21.542437
2 Turkmen @ 22.325415
3 Chuvash @ 23.163395
4 Nogai @ 25.679361
5 Hazara @ 27.727831
6 Mordovian @ 29.800577
7 Tajik_Pomiri @ 31.957779
8 Russian @ 32.278725
9 Turkish_Aydin @ 33.195057
10 Croatian @ 34.620369
11 Bulgarian @ 34.962418
12 Hungarian @ 35.793526
13 Finnish @ 35.927723
14 Romanian @ 36.356831
15 Czech @ 36.871292
16 Dutch_South @ 36.929943
17 Chechen @ 37.308105
18 Dutch_North @ 37.622231
19 Belarusian @ 37.739399
20 German_North @ 37.835541

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +50% Turkmen @ 12.009977


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +25% Hazara +25% Somali_Benadiri @ 8.752423


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 Hazara + Lithuanian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.390833
2 Estonian + Hazara + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.449072
3 Estonian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 8.651822
4 Estonian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Turkmen @ 8.653232
5 Lithuanian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Turkmen @ 8.654345
6 Lithuanian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 8.670973
7 Chuvash + Chuvash + Hazara + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.752423
8 Belarusian + Hazara + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.916458
9 Russian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 8.955240
10 Finnish + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 8.981514
11 Nogai + Russian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.993238
12 Belarusian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 9.081323
13 Belarusian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Turkmen @ 9.108434
14 Altaian + Chuvash + Mordovian + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.124809
15 Altaian + Chuvash + Chuvash + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.132114
16 Finnish + Nogai + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.197803
17 Chuvash + Nogai + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.218531
18 Altaian + Chuvash + Russian + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.224834
19 Estonian + Nogai + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.240118
20 Finnish + Hazara + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.297870

Probably just sample contamination.

[Lauχum]

These samples are from Daamgard et al 2018. They sampled 2 groups which they labelled Xiongnu and Xiongnu_WE. "Xiongnu" were similar to Mongolians and some North East Asians whilst the "Xiongnu_WE" samples were more central Asian like.

[Sora]

Probably just sample contamination

No. Not only at one calculator. Other calculators like Dodecad and Eurogenes score as 7% SSA too

[Lauχum]

No. Not only at one calculator. Other calculators like Dodecad and Eurogenes score as 7% SSA too

Yeah because its not a problem with the calculators but because when this individual was sequenced their DNA was damaged/contaminated, or perhaps its just low coverage. There is no way anyone on the ancient Eurasian steppe would have actual SSA.

[Sora]

These samples are from Daamgard et al 2018. They sampled 2 groups which they labelled Xiongnu and Xiongnu_WE. "Xiongnu" were similar to Mongolians and some North East Asians whilst the "Xiongnu_WE" samples were more central Asian like.

What means "Xiongnu_WE"?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Where are Turks in admixture?

No People of Turkey in mixed matches?

What happened to Turan power in Turkey?

So you expect that Xiongnu warriors from 1st century BC are matching with modern Turkish population? :rolleyes:

[Lauχum]

What means "Xiongnu_WE"?

The "Xiongnu_WE" samples were from Khövsgöl province, Mongolia. Not exactly sure what WE stands for. The "Xiongnu" samples were southwards in Arkhangai province, Mongolia.

[Sora]

So you expect that Xiongnu warriors from 1st century BC are matching with modern Turkish population?

Because he's Neo-Ottomanist crazy. Also Xiongnu was a confederation of Turkics and Mongolics as it seems from results. But elite/government class and most of its population were Turkic. 100% Mongoloid ones weren't Turkics. They're more likely Mongolics who lived in Xiongnu Empire. Look at the "Xiongnu 1" result at 1st page. She clusters with Central Asian Turks and Tatars/Chuvashes. Then look at the "Xiongnu 2", he clusters more Mongolics and Japanese/Korean/Paleo-Siberian people's than Turkics.

If you will look at last(20th) population of first result, you will see the "Turk_Bulgaria"

[Pahli]

Its quite obvious that the Xiongnus with Caucasoid admix. shows that the native population was mixing with Steppe people, also given that they had so much CHG admixture and West Eurasian y-dna.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

By the way (i am now out of theme), from which Y-DNA actually come Turkic language?

[Bosniensis]

By the way (i am now out of theme), from which Y-DNA actually come Turkic language?

Do you have Turkish Y-DNA chart so we can see?

I belive its R1b.

[Pahli]

By the way (i am now out of theme), from which Y-DNA actually come Turkic language?

Most likely related to N and Q

[Rgvgjhvv]

How/why the hell is Nazarbayev your hero?

[Kaspias]

Do you have Turkish Y-DNA chart so we can see?

I belive its R1b.

I have for Turkey. If you interested i will share it soon.

Btw Q and N related with Turkic root.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Most likely related to N and Q

If i am correct, N and Q together are not more than 7% of all Turkey. Could 7% impose language to whole area? I don't know. My opinion is R1b as well as Bosniensis.

[Pribislav]

By the way (i am now out of theme), from which Y-DNA actually come Turkic language?

Turkic languages have some similirities with languages of Native Americans www.turkishculture.org/literature/language/turkish-language-americans-459.htm

Majority of Native Americans are Q.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Turkic languages have some similirities with languages of Native Americans www.turkishculture.org/literature/language/turkish-language-americans-459.htm

Majority of Native Americans are Q.

Q is 2% in Turkey.

[Bornoz]

If i am correct, N and Q together are not more than 7% of all Turkey. Could 7% impose language to whole area? I don't know. My opinion is R1b as well as Bosniensis.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3N3d_4vMRfk/W2nDiuHec2I/AAAAAAAAAho/M4aF-vLoZ9g5U-aY624WSwRlDs2vBMZpACLcBGAs/s640/122tr.png

[Pribislav]

Q is 2% in Turkey.

Yes.

N1c (original Finno-Ugric marker) is less than 2% in Hungary and Hungarians speak Finno-Ugric language.

Original Turks which arrived in Anatolia in 11th, 12th and 13th century were probably poor in Q.

[Sora]

By the way (i am now out of theme), from which Y-DNA actually come Turkic language?

N1b, Q and some sub-groups of R1a.

[Sora]

How/why the hell is Nazarbayev your hero?

Cuz' I slept with him :rotfl:

Joke is aside. He's my hero because I love his thoughts and he's friendly to Turkey and Turkish people. Also he's C3 super hero :D ;)

[Yaglakar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI-hxemUyQU

Basically Xiongnu/Hunnu tongue is a Turkic language at its proto stage.

[Dunai]

Very-very interesting results. I always thought that the Xiongnu were a Mongolian people, but it seems they most probably originated from the Altay Mts, and were Central Asian Turkic people. Since they are most probably the forefathers of the Huns, this would mean that the Huns were also Central Asian and not Mongolic. And it is well proven that Old Hungarians were very similar to Central Asian Turkic people genetically, this would also finally bring some truth to the Medieval myths which were claiming Magyars as being the descendants of Huns. At least genetically the ties between Ancient Huns and Old Magyars is possible now.

[Sora]

A result of a nomad who lived in Hun area:


Her mtDna is F2g

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 49.80
2 East_Asian 26.86
3 Beringian 8.64
4 Caucasus_HG 7.89
5 European_HG 5.45


Finished reading population data. 135 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuvinian @ 11.797487
2 Altaian @ 13.101686
3 Dolgan @ 21.078037
4 Yakut @ 24.152782
5 Selkup @ 32.909641
6 Hazara @ 34.414349
7 Turkmen @ 41.060825
8 Mongolian @ 41.892059
9 Uzbek @ 47.514591
10 Korean @ 52.118099
11 Japanese @ 54.740925
12 Nganasan @ 55.459534
13 Nogai @ 57.720295
14 Chuvash @ 59.193123
15 Turkish_Aydin @ 64.672768
16 Han_Chinese @ 66.731316
17 Tajik_Pomiri @ 67.587440
18 Burusho @ 68.186241
19 Turkish @ 68.356163
20 Mordovian @ 70.481087

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Altaian +50% Tuvinian @ 11.263905


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Nganasan +25% Uzbek +25% Vietnamese @ 9.210351


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Han_Chinese + Hazara + Nganasan + Selkup @ 7.516188
2 Hazara + Japanese + Nganasan + Selkup @ 7.707082
3 Hazara + Korean + Nganasan + Selkup @ 7.936474
4 Han_Chinese + Nganasan + Selkup + Turkmen @ 8.257455
5 Dolgan + Japanese + Nganasan + Uzbek @ 8.559466
6 Ami + Nganasan + Nganasan + Uzbek @ 8.670414
7 Dolgan + Korean + Nganasan + Uzbek @ 8.688267
8 Hazara + Nganasan + Selkup + Vietnamese @ 8.711914
9 Dolgan + Han_Chinese + Nganasan + Turkmen @ 8.725150
10 Dolgan + Japanese + Nganasan + Turkmen @ 8.758612
11 Japanese + Nganasan + Uzbek + Yakut @ 8.793503
12 Mongolian + Nganasan + Turkmen + Tuvinian @ 8.802126
13 Ami + Nganasan + Nganasan + Nogai @ 8.803843
14 Dolgan + Han_Chinese + Nganasan + Uzbek @ 8.827738
15 Mongolian + Nganasan + Tuvinian + Uzbek @ 8.868504
16 Japanese + Nganasan + Selkup + Turkmen @ 8.889831
17 Han_Chinese + Nganasan + Uzbek + Yakut @ 8.890941
18 Dolgan + Korean + Nganasan + Turkmen @ 8.938879
19 Dolgan + Hazara + Japanese + Nganasan @ 8.946939
20 Korean + Nganasan + Uzbek + Yakut @ 8.948416

[Hudayar]

A Tian Shan Hun who scores 7% SSA :shocked:

His Y-Dna: E-V22, mtDna: N9a9

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_HG 25.38
2 Caucasus_HG 18.49
3 Siberian 17.61
4 Anatolian_NF 8.85
5 East_Asian 7.45
6 Sub-Saharan 7.16
7 Amerindian 5.50
8 Beringian 4.92
9 South_Asian 2.14
10 Near_East 2.01


Finished reading population data. 135 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uzbek @ 21.542437
2 Turkmen @ 22.325415
3 Chuvash @ 23.163395
4 Nogai @ 25.679361
5 Hazara @ 27.727831
6 Mordovian @ 29.800577
7 Tajik_Pomiri @ 31.957779
8 Russian @ 32.278725
9 Turkish_Aydin @ 33.195057
10 Croatian @ 34.620369
11 Bulgarian @ 34.962418
12 Hungarian @ 35.793526
13 Finnish @ 35.927723
14 Romanian @ 36.356831
15 Czech @ 36.871292
16 Dutch_South @ 36.929943
17 Chechen @ 37.308105
18 Dutch_North @ 37.622231
19 Belarusian @ 37.739399
20 German_North @ 37.835541

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +50% Turkmen @ 12.009977


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +25% Hazara +25% Somali_Benadiri @ 8.752423


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 Hazara + Lithuanian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.390833
2 Estonian + Hazara + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.449072
3 Estonian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 8.651822
4 Estonian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Turkmen @ 8.653232
5 Lithuanian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Turkmen @ 8.654345
6 Lithuanian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 8.670973
7 Chuvash + Chuvash + Hazara + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.752423
8 Belarusian + Hazara + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.916458
9 Russian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 8.955240
10 Finnish + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 8.981514
11 Nogai + Russian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 8.993238
12 Belarusian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Uzbek @ 9.081323
13 Belarusian + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri + Turkmen @ 9.108434
14 Altaian + Chuvash + Mordovian + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.124809
15 Altaian + Chuvash + Chuvash + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.132114
16 Finnish + Nogai + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.197803
17 Chuvash + Nogai + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.218531
18 Altaian + Chuvash + Russian + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.224834
19 Estonian + Nogai + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.240118
20 Finnish + Hazara + Selkup + Somali_Benadiri @ 9.297870

Obviously GEDmatch error.

We had a sample from Ankara whose DNA was extracted from Alkan et al 2014. He scored 7% SSA and 14% East Eurasian.

[Hudayar]

By the way (i am now out of theme), from which Y-DNA actually come Turkic language?

unknown.

probably Q and N though.

[Sora]

probably Q and N though.

Not was only Q and N, I think. Because even most Mongoloid samples had R1a. I guess Proto Turkic markers were N1b(found in Pazyryk sample, also found in a Turkish member which is member of Apricity), Q and some sub-branches of R1a

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Cuz' I slept with him :rotfl:

Joke is aside. He's my hero because I love his thoughts and he's friendly to Turkey and Turkish people. Also he's C3 super hero :D ;)

And C isn't proto-Turkic but Mongolic ?? :rolleyes:

[Pahli]

Not was only Q and N, I think. Because even most Mongoloid samples had R1a. I guess Proto Turkic markers were N1b(found in Pazyryk sample, also found in a Turkish member which is member of Apricity), Q and some sub-branches of R1a

R1a arrived with Steppe people, most pre-Steppe samples are either N, Q or C, no O or R1.

[Sora]

And C isn't proto-Turkic but Mongolic ??

Yes. C was Proto-Mongolic.

There is a theory about Kazakhs:

When Mongols invaded Kazakhstan, they killed many of Kazakh men and they took Kazakh women as slaves and married them. So Kazakhs mixed with Mongols and C3 comes from there.

This may be true. Also Kazakh president Nazarbayev came out as grandson of Chenghiz Khagan as results of genetic researches. Btw there are Mongolic tribes which assimilated into Kazakh language and culture, and identify themselves as ethnic Kazakhs

[Proto-Shaman]

Turkic languages have some similirities with languages of Native Americans www.turkishculture.org/literature/language/turkish-language-americans-459.htm

Majority of Native Americans are Q.
Native Americans also have R1 you fool :picard1:

[Proto-Shaman]

A result of a nomad who lived in Hun area:


Her mtDna is F2g

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 49.80
2 East_Asian 26.86
3 Beringian 8.64
4 Caucasus_HG 7.89
5 European_HG 5.45


Finished reading population data. 135 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuvinian @ 11.797487
2 Altaian @ 13.101686
3 Dolgan @ 21.078037
4 Yakut @ 24.152782
5 Selkup @ 32.909641
6 Hazara @ 34.414349
7 Turkmen @ 41.060825
8 Mongolian @ 41.892059
9 Uzbek @ 47.514591
10 Korean @ 52.118099
11 Japanese @ 54.740925
12 Nganasan @ 55.459534
13 Nogai @ 57.720295
14 Chuvash @ 59.193123
15 Turkish_Aydin @ 64.672768
16 Han_Chinese @ 66.731316
17 Tajik_Pomiri @ 67.587440
18 Burusho @ 68.186241
19 Turkish @ 68.356163
20 Mordovian @ 70.481087

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Altaian +50% Tuvinian @ 11.263905


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Nganasan +25% Uzbek +25% Vietnamese @ 9.210351


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Han_Chinese + Hazara + Nganasan + Selkup @ 7.516188
2 Hazara + Japanese + Nganasan + Selkup @ 7.707082
3 Hazara + Korean + Nganasan + Selkup @ 7.936474
4 Han_Chinese + Nganasan + Selkup + Turkmen @ 8.257455
5 Dolgan + Japanese + Nganasan + Uzbek @ 8.559466
6 Ami + Nganasan + Nganasan + Uzbek @ 8.670414
7 Dolgan + Korean + Nganasan + Uzbek @ 8.688267
8 Hazara + Nganasan + Selkup + Vietnamese @ 8.711914
9 Dolgan + Han_Chinese + Nganasan + Turkmen @ 8.725150
10 Dolgan + Japanese + Nganasan + Turkmen @ 8.758612
11 Japanese + Nganasan + Uzbek + Yakut @ 8.793503
12 Mongolian + Nganasan + Turkmen + Tuvinian @ 8.802126
13 Ami + Nganasan + Nganasan + Nogai @ 8.803843
14 Dolgan + Han_Chinese + Nganasan + Uzbek @ 8.827738
15 Mongolian + Nganasan + Tuvinian + Uzbek @ 8.868504
16 Japanese + Nganasan + Selkup + Turkmen @ 8.889831
17 Han_Chinese + Nganasan + Uzbek + Yakut @ 8.890941
18 Dolgan + Korean + Nganasan + Turkmen @ 8.938879
19 Dolgan + Hazara + Japanese + Nganasan @ 8.946939
20 Korean + Nganasan + Uzbek + Yakut @ 8.948416

can you gib uns the gedmatch Nummers please so we könn run calculations unsself?

[Pribislav]

Native Americans also have R1 you fool :picard1:

I said they are predominantly Q. I did not said that they are 100% Q.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Haplogroup_Q_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG

[Sora]

can you gib uns the gedmatch Nummers please so we könn run calculations unsself?

Yes. There are

Xiong-Nu_WE_DA38 Z777394
Xiong-Nu_DA39 Z780597
Xiong-Nu_WE_DA41 Z877352
Xiong-Nu_DA43 Z368948
Xiong-Nu_DA45 Z802252/Z031856
Tian_Shan_Hun_DA65 Z019511
Tian_Shan_Hun_DA74 Z384293
Tian_Shan_Hun_DA81 Z855800
Tian_Shan_Hun_DA85 Z710382
Tian_Shan_Hun_DA100 Z906895
Tian_Shan_Hun_DA385 Z610860
Nomad_Hun-Sarmatian_DA27 Z419959
Nomad_Hun_Period_DA95 Z423957
Nomad_Hun_Period_DA177 Z035582

[Sora]

A nomad who lived in Hun area 2:

His Y-Dna: G-Z6553 mtDna: H6a1b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 48.67
2 East_Asian 37.16
3 Beringian 6.35
4 Caucasus_HG 2.72
5 Amerindian 2.50
6 European_HG 1.45


Finished reading population data. 135 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuvinian @ 13.561305
2 Altaian @ 18.530436
3 Dolgan @ 28.502411
4 Yakut @ 28.727547
5 Mongolian @ 31.563942
6 Hazara @ 38.449158
7 Korean @ 41.646358
8 Selkup @ 43.492420
9 Japanese @ 44.339130
10 Turkmen @ 47.414993
11 Uzbek @ 53.601639
12 Han_Chinese @ 56.741985
13 Nganasan @ 61.238384
14 Cambodian @ 63.748207
15 Nogai @ 63.836166
16 Chuvash @ 66.578384
17 Vietnamese @ 67.595390
18 Turkish_Aydin @ 70.416359
19 Turkish @ 74.244171
20 Burusho @ 74.301842

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dolgan +50% Mongolian @ 7.655657


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Japanese +25% Nganasan +25% Selkup @ 6.809753


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++
1 Mongolian + Nganasan + Selkup + Vietnamese @ 6.519994
2 Altaian + Mongolian + Mongolian + Nganasan @ 6.640991
3 Han_Chinese + Mongolian + Nganasan + Selkup @ 6.651652
4 Han_Chinese + Korean + Nganasan + Selkup @ 6.688186
5 Han_Chinese + Japanese + Nganasan + Selkup @ 6.763255
6 Japanese + Japanese + Nganasan + Selkup @ 6.809753
7 Altaian + Korean + Mongolian + Nganasan @ 7.053010
8 Japanese + Korean + Nganasan + Selkup @ 7.057498
9 Altaian + Japanese + Mongolian + Nganasan @ 7.165786
10 Cambodian + Dolgan + Mongolian + Nganasan @ 7.343429
11 Mongolian + Mongolian + Selkup + Yakut @ 7.345959
12 Korean + Korean + Nganasan + Selkup @ 7.368752
13 Dolgan + Mongolian + Mongolian + Yakut @ 7.378602
14 Korean + Nganasan + Selkup + Vietnamese @ 7.451772
15 Ami + Mongolian + Nganasan + Selkup @ 7.651883
16 Dolgan + Dolgan + Mongolian + Mongolian @ 7.655657
17 Korean + Mongolian + Selkup + Yakut @ 7.671036
18 Mongolian + Mongolian + Nganasan + Tuvinian @ 7.708959
19 Dolgan + Han_Chinese + Mongolian + Nganasan @ 7.709746
20 Japanese + Nganasan + Selkup + Vietnamese @ 7.770614

Interesting! There are "Turkish_Aydin" and "Turkish" in populations of a most Mongoloid nomad person :shocked:

[Sora]

Xiongnu again:

His Y-DNA: R-PH200 mtDna: G3a3

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 27.05
2 European_HG 19.88
3 Siberian 19.36
4 East_Asian 13.87
5 South_Asian 5.77
6 Beringian 5.72
7 Anatolian_NF 4.69
8 Amerindian 3.32


Finished reading population data. 135 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkmen @ 12.313993
2 Uzbek @ 12.620016
3 Hazara @ 17.510372
4 Nogai @ 22.269907
5 Tajik_Pomiri @ 27.731812
6 Chuvash @ 31.966043
7 Turkish_Aydin @ 33.929413
8 Chechen @ 34.206470
9 Afghan_Pashtun @ 34.623966
10 Altaian @ 35.045513
11 Burusho @ 35.993523
12 Turkish @ 36.670471
13 Balkar @ 36.737270
14 Kumyk @ 36.777748
15 Adygei @ 37.493961
16 Mordovian @ 37.608990
17 Lezgin @ 38.354939
18 Pakistan_Pashtun @ 38.843258
19 North_Ossetian @ 38.961468
20 Haryana_Jatt @ 40.097939

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Altaian +50% Tajik_Pomiri @ 9.720888


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hazara +25% Russian +25% Turkmen @ 9.263371


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Lezgin + Mongolian + Selkup + Tajik_Pomiri @ 7.870062
2 Altaian + Chuvash + Hazara + Makrani @ 7.937928
3 Hazara + Makrani + Russian + Tuvinian @ 7.979102
4 Altaian + Hazara + Makrani + Russian @ 8.067286
5 Altaian + Balochi + Chuvash + Hazara @ 8.184818
6 Balochi + Hazara + Russian + Tuvinian @ 8.232352
7 Chuvash + Makrani + Tuvinian + Uzbek @ 8.271428
8 Brahui + Hazara + Russian + Tuvinian @ 8.290535
9 Chuvash + Hazara + Hazara + Tajik_Pomiri @ 8.293183
10 Altaian + Brahui + Chuvash + Hazara @ 8.307532
11 Altaian + Balochi + Hazara + Russian @ 8.340522
12 Altaian + Brahui + Hazara + Russian @ 8.393744
13 Finnish + Hazara + Makrani + Tuvinian @ 8.399411
14 Korean + Lezgin + Selkup + Tajik_Pomiri @ 8.412129
15 Altaian + Chuvash + Makrani + Turkmen @ 8.429729
16 Estonian + Hazara + Makrani + Tuvinian @ 8.432701
17 Hazara + Makrani + Mordovian + Tuvinian @ 8.438828
18 Balochi + Chuvash + Tuvinian + Uzbek @ 8.453377
19 Hazara + Lithuanian + Makrani + Tuvinian @ 8.473607
20 Japanese + Lezgin + Selkup + Tajik_Pomiri @ 8.475983

[Sora]

Nomad_Hun-Sarmatian_DA27

What means it? Hun or Sarmatian? Or mixed?

[Iloko]

looks like balanced eurasian genetically

[Yaglakar]

R1a arrived with Steppe people, most pre-Steppe samples are either N, Q or C, no O or R1.

C might also be proto-Turkic and proto-Mongolic. These two language families are related and probably have a common origin. Most of the linguists consider substantial amount of shared vocabulary having Turkic origin, as loanwords in Mongolic languages simply because Turkic records predate Mongolic ones, and automatically label shared lexicon as Turkic loanwords. Common words might simply spring from a common origin.

[Yaglakar]

unknown.

probably Q and N though.

Turkmens have a lot of Q. Is that Turkic Q or local Indo-European one?

[Agyullámtörő]

basically 1/2 Mongolic (Siberian+East Asian), 1/4 Oriental (Caucasian) and 1/4 Northern Euro. I'm very curious how they looked with this cool mix. they probably looked great, imagine the bony face of the Mongolic + Northern Euro CroMagnon and maybe some Nordid in it too and some Oriental genes to harmonize it all

Huns/Xiongnu were mixed not homogeneous. According to archeogenetic results, that the Xiongnu genetic was mostly a mixture of Mongoloic, Turkic, Iranic and Finno-Ugric tribes and this composite people evolved in the steppes of Central Asia (around western side of Altay).
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/29049-The-ancient-Huns-belonged-to-Y-haplogroups-Q-N-C-and-R1a1
It has been known for almost half a century that only 20-30% of hunnic skulls belong to the Mongoloid type, others were turanids. Hun subracetypes:
http://humanphenotypes.net/Alfoeld.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/AndronovoTuranid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/Volgid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/Uralid.html
http://humanphenotypes.net/PlainsPamirid.html
This hun girls was mongoloid:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/08/60/e60860d0bc2dca41dc8fc5b97f0999ba.jpg
He have pure europoid face:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu#/media/File:BronzeManOrdos3-1stCenturyBCE.JPG
He was turanid:
http://i48.tinypic.com/j7w1ox.jpg
He was europoid:
http://i50.tinypic.com/2prz2gp.jpg
Another turanid hun:
http://i47.tinypic.com/302peeh.jpg
Turanid hun:
http://i46.tinypic.com/1zp1xyc.jpg
Europoid hun:
http://i48.tinypic.com/dskqu.jpg

Of all populations, Huns are closest to modern Chuvash, Bashkirs, Mansi, Komi, Mari, Mordvin and Udmurt peoples, followed by Kazakhs. If Huns were alive today majority of them looks like this:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f6/7a/f6/f67af6c0b5ae4dd96de6b803c80712e5.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-llkmSQ2hWkU/TV9qWT0sNwI/AAAAAAAAALY/ETqDU_UVKtY/s640/Image10+s.jpg
http://www.nat-geo.ru/upload/iblock/7ee/7ee5753e193904ace248eba2f842f8fd.jpg
http://euromaidanpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/4608542b24b9ed7765c6afac1835b016.4331.jpg
https://www.newsko.ru/media/1511029/natsionalnyy-kostyum.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/72/b7/2f/72b72fda30ec0ae8e9febc5036cea4c6--turkish-people-traditional-dresses.jpg
https://static.ukrinform.com/photos/2017_05/thumb_files/630_360_1495040764-1035.jpg
https://cdn.opendemocracy.net/files/imagecache/wysiwyg_imageupload_lightbox_preset/wysiwyg_imageupload/553429/Bashkir_campaign_Toratau.png
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/d7/7b/edd77b4b784f6503136fe3c79aca005d.jpg

Typical hun = europoid face with a little bit or significant mongoloid traits

[PH155]

Xiongnu again:

His Y-DNA: R-PH200




Hi. What is your source for this data?

[PH155]

Here is a Hunnic (Xiongnu) sample from Khövsgöl, Mongolia who lived approximately 2200 years ago. His Y-DNA is: R-PH200

How did you get this haplogroup info?

[Kaspias]

Hi. What is your source for this data?


How did you get this haplogroup info?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2

[Ajeje Brazorf]

DA38, XiongNu, 350-150 BC
Kit Number: Z777394
1 Aleut + Kalash + Mansi + Mongolian_QH @ 5.307821

DA39, XiongNu, 49 BC-53 AD
Kit Number: Z780597
1 Korean + Oroqen + Tu + Tuvinian @ 2.639550

DA41, XiongNu, 350-150 BC
Kit Number: Z877352
1 Hezhen + Kalash + Mansi + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 9.639823

DA43, XiongNu(?), 160-130 BC
Kit Number: Z368948
1 Han + Han-Mandarin + Korean + Korean @ 1.819492

DA45, XiongNu(?), 160-130 BC
Kit Number: Z031856
1 Han-Mandarin + Han-Mandarin + Tujia + Xibo @ 2.945390

[PH155]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2

Thanks. But i combed through its text and all supp materials. Not a single mention of PH200.

[Kaspias]

Thanks. But i combed through its text and all supp materials. Not a single mention of PH200.

Check extended data and supplementary information. I read last year, i can't remember surely where was it is.

[Charles Bronson]

Pretty interesting!

[PH155]

I went through all supp. materials again and the extended data.

Only file that talks about y-haplogroups is this:
https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41586-018-0094-2/MediaObjects/41586_2018_94_MOESM11_ESM.xls

And there is no mention of PH200. Only R1b where PH200 suppose to be.

Are the authors considering R1b to be PH200?

[Fiko0]

Tian Shan Hun 2:

His Y-Dna: R-S23592 mtDna: H13a2a

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus_HG 36.78
2 European_HG 25.81
3 Siberian 12.59
4 Anatolian_NF 10.66
5 South_Asian 5.35
6 Amerindian 3.29
7 Beringian 3.21
8 Near_East 2.10


Finished reading population data. 135 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tajik_Pomiri @ 14.185122
2 Nogai @ 17.289164
3 Chechen @ 19.615660
4 Uzbek @ 19.654633
5 Lezgin @ 23.535559
6 Turkmen @ 23.826441
7 Kumyk @ 24.419279
8 Adygei @ 24.661716
9 Balkar @ 25.051382
10 Afghan_Pashtun @ 25.608227
11 Turkish_Aydin @ 26.611664
12 North_Ossetian @ 27.217470
13 Turkish @ 27.752182
14 Mordovian @ 28.905725
15 Chuvash @ 29.906954
16 Kurdish @ 30.240940
17 Bulgarian @ 30.747543
18 Pakistan_Pashtun @ 31.499098
19 Croatian @ 31.656588
20 Iranian @ 32.761395



I'm close to Huns!!

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kumyk @ 8.100802
2 Laz @ 8.899964
3 Turkish_Trabzon @ 9.157902
4 Kurdish @ 9.791334
5 Turkish @ 10.935363
6 Turkish_Kayseri @ 10.964395
7 Armenian @ 11.645812
8 Iranian @ 11.695709
9 Georgian_Jew @ 11.772773
10 Balkar @ 11.939558
11 North_Ossetian @ 12.576880
12 Adygei @ 13.118491
13 Assyrian @ 13.225725
14 Chechen @ 14.413447
15 Iranian_Jew @ 14.552095
16 Georgian @ 15.906494
17 Turkish_Aydin @ 16.669897
18 Abkhasian @ 16.895103
19 Lezgin @ 17.730356
20 Iraqi_Jew @ 18.130882

[MagnusDark]

Closest single pop is Uzbeks. I always though Uzbeks looked like asiatic looking Slavs. At least from the ones I have met. Some were blondes.

[Sora]

https://abload.de/img/ydna2pehe.png

Sources:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?15701-Hunnic-and-Medieval-Turkic-samples-Y-DNA-and-Autosomal-DNA&__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=42db57e48506d647e2ed350b5540dc d5b9fa64a6-1580136377-0-AXlFknTrAIGbvH94iM1qyyJG6vf_hv3ChLffTAE3cgc2tHUrru J5BOcUspDzfg-R4ac2mUQALZcvJhMps2EejPW9qIaz6jhRezby75-RBaMnwTMWlox3ObwIq4WjJqvIZcE6FUp9h43AoUGm1MWaJ2jSd sQq2uVkanu9WKm1CLrshYe-ondnFi6BrvjABcHRQQrjNUhIDJUOB6pnxV9SSdIW9uJxfq5Doy ze6YkWCQbKoHA9wR6wPftvK67H5af6qvwlmTT8y6Pm9yTHyOd9 3klNYWNMJlZUTBBr5SKahL-WDKG044OhZ8kyPZMcaAcBCFwGD47o11pTLbEpPVUh-WIGZvgLf3hLNNxxxplXL3clr4Fte9AqeKu5rE8MppkZmQ

https://turkishdnaproject.com/orta-cag-turkleri-ve-diger-avrasya-populasyonlarinin-genetik-yapisi-mezolitikten-orta-caga/

[kalach]

Yes. C was Proto-Mongolic.

There is a theory about Kazakhs:

When Mongols invaded Kazakhstan, they killed many of Kazakh men and they took Kazakh women as slaves and married them. So Kazakhs mixed with Mongols and C3 comes from there.

This may be true. Also Kazakh president Nazarbayev came out as grandson of Chenghiz Khagan as results of genetic researches. Btw there are Mongolic tribes which assimilated into Kazakh language and culture, and identify themselves as ethnic Kazakhs

If you praise this shit, you are a cuck. Mongols=!Turks

[Bosniensis]

The only real question here is: Why are Turks here on European Cultural Community debating their ancestry? Looking for some kind of approval or something?

[Synapsid]

These results totally guts Bosniensis and many other Bosniaks, Greeks and other Balkaner's hypothesis that states Anatolian Turks are just Anatolians + Balkaners. If the Xiongnu/proto Turks already had a central Asians genrtic profile then Modern Turks do have oguz Turk related ancestry

[Bosniensis]

These results totally guts Bosniensis and many other Bosniaks, Greeks and other Balkaner's hypothesis that states Anatolian Turks are just Anatolians + Balkaners. If the Xiongnu/proto Turks already had a central Asians genrtic profile then Modern Turks do have oguz Turk related ancestry

What are you talking about?

Not even 1 Turk in Anatolia has DNA as Xiognu Turk, they are completely unrelated and different people.

It's embarrassing to think that Tent People namely Turks think they have built Turkey with with Turan tech.

Actually if modern Turks were not Balkanites + Anatolians, modern Turkey would be made of Tents.

[Aileron]

Steppes are calling us....

[Bosniensis]

Steppes are calling us....

and horses

and wolfs.

Do you howl sometimes?

[Aileron]

and horses

and wolfs.

Do you howl sometimes?

Yes and i tend to eat Balkan and Anatolian kids too...

[gültekin]

What are you talking about?

Not even 1 Turk in Anatolia has DNA as Xiognu Turk, they are completely unrelated and different people.
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karını bacını siktiğimin piçi, apply this in your bleeding arse with yoghurt , you son of a pig manure cleaner

https://j2-m172.info/2015/06/j2a2-ph3085-sk1403-ancient-altai-modern-uygur-turkish/
The huge Allentoft et al. 2015 research with low-coverage genomes from 101 ancient humans from across Eurasia included two males from Altai Iron Age (900 BC to 1000 AD) in the same J2a2 haplogroup (see Altai archaeology). Even more intriguing is that the ancient genomes share unique Y-SNPs with two modern samples: one Uygur and one Turkish, currently best named as J2a2-PH3085,SK1403.

[gültekin]

The only real question here is: Why are Turks here on European Cultural Community debating their ancestry? Looking for some kind of approval or something?
as reminder who has rided your whore women

[Bosniensis]

as reminder who has rided your whore women

There is nothing wrong with riding our females, we have been riding anatolian females for millennia.

Actually, you should send us some 1-2 mil .. we are short due to emigration.

[gültekin]

There is nothing wrong with riding our females, we have been riding anatolian females for millennia.

Actually, you should send us some 1-2 mil .. we are short due to emigration.
dear slave,your nebbish existence is nothing more to play with our penis, being whatever the heaven-bred God-like Turks want and demand. Whenever a Turk shoot in the air, your duty is coming out of hammam and dancing for him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6%C3%A7ek

A köçek would begin training around the age of seven or eight and would be considered accomplished after about six years of study and practice. A dancer's career would last as long as he was beardless and retained his youthful appearance.[5]

They were recruited from among the ranks of the non-Muslim subject nations of the empire, such as Jews, Romani, Greeks and Albanians.[6]