View Full Version : Is this Ermeni (Armenian) Türkic influenced?
Truthbetold
08-07-2018, 11:58 PM
I thought Ermenis were lost Europeans? Yet why does Zori Balayan look so Türk?
Is it because Ermenis were historically ruled by Türks? Or do you think his ancestors were Türks that lived nearby a larger group of Ermenis and were thus assimilated by them?
He is from Xankəndi (known as "Stepanakert" by Ermenis)
Discuss
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CommonSense
08-08-2018, 12:16 AM
Yes, he is. Some Turkic people got assimilated into Armenian society, though the opposite occured much more often.
Pribislav
08-08-2018, 12:43 AM
yup
Krivich
08-08-2018, 12:54 AM
old
StonyArabia
08-13-2018, 06:08 AM
Yes he probably has Kipchak blood
Kukushka
08-13-2018, 09:31 AM
Lol it is because he is old and has excedsive loose skin in the face and around the eyes :picard1:
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Truthbetold
08-13-2018, 05:47 PM
Yes he probably has Kipchak blood
Interesting. Why do you think Kipchak and not Oghuz Turcoman? Turcomans settled en masse in Qarabağ after Teymur's campaigns. They were basically the founders of the Türkic ethno-genesis in the area
StonyArabia
08-13-2018, 05:51 PM
Interesting. Why do you think Kipchak and not Oghuz Turcoman? Turcomans settled en masse in Qarabağ after Teymur's campaigns. They were basically the founders of the Türkic ethno-genesis in the area
Since some Kipchaks were Armeninfied, there were Kipchak Armenians. When members of the Armenian diaspora moved from the Crimean peninsula to the Polish-Ukrainian borderland, at the end of the 13th century, they brought Kipchak, their adopted Turkic language, with them.[11] During the 16th and the 17th centuries, the Turkic language among the Armenian communities of the Kipchak people was Armeno-Kipchak. They were settled in the Lviv and Kamianets-Podilskyi areas of what is now Ukraine.[12]
possible some Oghuz as well.
Truthbetold
08-13-2018, 06:03 PM
Since some Kipchaks were Armeninfied, there were Kipchak Armenians. When members of the Armenian diaspora moved from the Crimean peninsula to the Polish-Ukrainian borderland, at the end of the 13th century, they brought Kipchak, their adopted Turkic language, with them.[11] During the 16th and the 17th centuries, the Turkic language among the Armenian communities of the Kipchak people was Armeno-Kipchak. They were settled in the Lviv and Kamianets-Podilskyi areas of what is now Ukraine.[12]
possible some Oghuz as well.
Thanks yes I'm aware of that. However, Qarabağ is geographically distant from Crimea and the historic borders of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. Perhaps Balayan's ancestors are Kipchak Armenians that returned to West Asia, but him being the descendant of a "native" Qarabaği (either Turkified Ermeni or Ermenized Türk) sound much more probable
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