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Truthbetold
08-09-2018, 03:20 PM
Mirian III, from the Iranian princely House of Mihran. Installed by the Sasanians on the puppet throne of the Kingdom of Caucasian Iberia (present-day Eastern Georgia, i.e. Kartli/Kakheti), he declared Christianity the official religion of the Kingdom in the early 4th century AD. Mirian III was thus the founder of the so-called Chosroid dynasty, also known as the Iberian Mihranids. This Georgian dynasty of Iranian origin ruled the most important part of Georgia (Kartli, Kakheti) as Sasanian vassals into the 6th century. In 580, the Sasanians abolished the Caucasian Iberian kingship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirian_III_of_Iberia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosroid_dynasty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Mihran

StonyArabia
08-13-2018, 05:50 AM
I believe it's a Parthian family that also adopted Christianity in Armenia lol

Truthbetold
08-13-2018, 05:25 PM
I believe it's a Parthian family that also adopted Christianity in Armenia lol

Yes family was of Parthian Iranian origin and held high prestige in Sasanian court (so called "seven Parthian clans"). Armenia was Christianized by a branch of the Arsacid (Parthian) dynasty that ruled in Iran

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsacid_dynasty_of_Armenia

Modern-day georgians often vehemently try to deny or belittle their millennia old intertwined history with Iran and Anatolia (pre- and post-Turkic) and often pose themselves as "muh eastern Greeks" and "muh eastern italians". Lol. They always say we Azeris are Iranians in every sense of the word, but they deliberately try to conceal the fact that Georgians received massive Iranian influence as well, until the coming of the Russky's.

user_
08-14-2018, 04:22 AM
They always say we Azeris are Iranians in every sense of the word, but they deliberately try to conceal the fact that Georgians received massive Iranian influence as well, until the coming of the Russky's.

Only some parts of Eastern Georgia, mostly Tbilisi. Western Georgia has never seen Iranians. Today's Georgians 70% are from Western Georgia, we do not feel any connections with Iran.

Myanthropologies
08-14-2018, 04:38 AM
yas

user_
08-14-2018, 04:54 AM
Orthodox Christianity came to Georgia from Byzantium, not from Persian Empire :picard1:

StonyArabia
08-14-2018, 04:55 AM
Orthodox Christianity came to Georgia from Byzantium, not from Persian Empire :picard1:

Yes, but the Persian Prince was the one who made you Christian, just like the Armenians were Christianized by a Persian/Parthian prince. Georgians and Armenians have strong ties with Iran, only recently this has changed.

user_
08-14-2018, 05:10 AM
Yes, but the Persian Prince was the one who made you Christian, just like the Armenians were Christianized by a Persian/Parthian prince. Georgians and Armenians have strong ties with Iran, only recently this has changed.

He was Persian by blood, by mentality he was Georgian. That is why Mirian choose Christian Byzantium over Sassanid Iran.
Stalin was Georgian and the most powerful Russian lieder of all the times, do you think he changed Russian ethnogenesis and Russians became "georgianised"?

Bobby Martnen
08-14-2018, 05:13 AM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/df/Prince_of_Persia_poster.jpg/220px-Prince_of_Persia_poster.jpg

Truthbetold
08-14-2018, 10:49 AM
Only some parts of Eastern Georgia, mostly Tbilisi. Western Georgia has never seen Iranians. Today's Georgians 70% are from Western Georgia, we do not feel any connections with Iran.

And yet Eastern Georgia (Kartli, Kakheti) was the most dominant part of Georgia politically and historically in the past 2,000 + years lol

Kukushka
08-14-2018, 11:16 AM
good for them

Truthbetold
08-14-2018, 11:21 AM
Not denying that iranian influence in western georgia was considerably less when compared to eastern Georgia (Kartli/Kakheti), but that doesn't neglect the fact that these Gürcüs are spouting bullshit. Stalin is of Georgian origin no matter how many Pelmeni or Kholodets he would eat.

As for "muh iranians never came to western georgia" :);


"Yet Gobazes was also open to Persia, and by 470 Persia had established dominance in Lazica. This dominance lasted until 522 (...)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Petra_(549)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazic_War

Kingdom of Pontus and Scythians were also of Iranian origin and they also came to western Georgia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Pontus


Colchis first came within the Iranian orbit in the Median period (ca. 850-550 b.c.e.). Beginning in the 8th century b.c.e. it suffered heavily in successive Cimmerian and Scythian invasions. The presence of such invaders is attested by burials and characteristic arrowheads excavated at various 7th-century b.c.e. sites in the region, which apparently served as a base for further incursions to the south and west (Camb. Hist. Iran II, pp. 91-97). Scattered Scythian colonies may have survived in Colchis and adjacent regions for some generations and are possibly reflected in tribal names. A tribe called Skythēnoí (Skythinoí) living in the Akampsis (Čoruh) valley is mentioned by Xenophon (Anabasis 4.7.18) and later authors (see Pauly-Wissowa, II/2, pp. 946-47, s.v. Scythini). According to an alternative theory, however, the name is a Greek approximation to Zan *škvit- < Kartvelian *švid-, Georgian švid-, Laz šk(v)it- “seven”; a tribe called Heptakōmētai is located by Strabo (12.3.18) in the same region (see Vogt).

In the first half of the 1st century b.c.e. King Mithradates of Pontus subjugated Colchis (Reinach, pp. 206-410; Maksimova, pp. 169-285). After his death (in 63 b.c.e.) the country became a Roman protectorate (Lang, pp. 81-82; Allen, pp. 43-45). In the 3rd-4th centuries c.e. Colchis was for some time under Bosporan (Sarmatian) rule. At the end of this period a new kingdom emerged in western Georgia, encompassing Colchis and part of Pontus. It was called by the Greeks Laziká after the leading tribe (Gk. Lazoí, Lázai; first mentioned in the 1st century c.e. in Pliny, Naturalis Historia 6.12). Christianity was adopted as the state religion in 523 (Lang, p. 99). During the 6th century the Sasanians waged incessant warfare against Byzantium for control of Laziká, claiming that it had belonged to the Achaemenids and thus was theirs by right (Allen, chap. 6; Camb. Hist. Iran III/1, pp. 505-36). The kingdom, later called Abazgia (Abkhazia), lasted until the 12th century, when it was united with Iberia under the rule of the Bagratid dynasty (q.v., 884-1045; Allen, chs. 7-8; Lang, ch. 5).

Because of the geographical position of Colchis and its orientation toward the Black Sea and the west, Persian influence was less profound than in Iberia and Armenia and was limited primarily to the upper classes. Iranian proper names were fashionable among local rulers (Andronik’ašvili, pp. 569-71 and passim; Wesendonk, pp. 1-10 and passim). Although Mazdaism gained some importance, especially in the Sasanian period, as is attested by fire temples and other Mazdean remains (Wesendonk, pp. 71-77; Allen, pp. 42-45) (...)

Kukushka
08-14-2018, 11:22 AM
Not denying that iranian influence in western georgia was considerably less when compared to eastern Georgia (Kartli/Kakheti), but that doesn't neglect the fact that these Gürcüs are spouting bullshit. Stalin is of Georgian origin no matter how many Pelmeni or Kholodets he would eat.

As for "muh iranians never came to western georgia" :);



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Petra_(549)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazic_War

Kingdom of Pontus and Scythians were also of Iranian origin and they also came to western Georgia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Pontus

stalin father is ossetian. Stalin has G y-dna
He is "iranian" lol

Joseph Stalin (born Iosif Vissarionovich Djugashvili) was, according to a genetic test on one of his grandsons (Alexander Burdonsky), a member of Y-DNA haplogroup G2a1a

user_
08-14-2018, 11:29 AM
The fact is that Azeris are turkifed Iranians, Georgians are Byzantinised Caucasians.

Truthbetold
08-14-2018, 11:33 AM
The fact is that Azeris are turkifed Iranians, Georgians are Byzantinised Caucasians.

you are so ignorant about your own country's history lol :picard1:

FinalFlash
08-15-2018, 04:27 PM
Yes, but the Persian Prince was the one who made you Christian, just like the Armenians were Christianized by a Persian/Parthian prince. Georgians and Armenians have strong ties with Iran, only recently this has changed.

Where do you get this information from? Armenia was Christianized on a state level in 301 AD by King Trdat(Tiridates) the III, an Armenian King. The Sasanids did not take kindly to this and thus came to odds with Armenia. Hence, the battle of Avarayr.

I'm not so sure about Georgia's Christianization came at the hands of Parthians either seeing as how some of their foreign royal lineages were of Armenian descent, like the Bagratunis for instance. Besides, Persian/Parthian influence was generally limited to parts of Armenia, and even less for Georgia. Modern day Azerbaijan, has historically had significantly more Parthian influence than the aforementioned two nations.