Balkan Turk Gedmatch Results

[canadienne]

Hello everyone. I need your help for my DNA results explain.

I'm from Drama & Thessaloniki (Greece) paternal
Dibër (Albania) & Karnobat (Bulgaria) maternal


DODECAD K12B

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 30.19
2 North_European 23.09
3 Atlantic_Med 20.02
4 Gedrosia 10.03
5 Southwest_Asian 9.52
6 Siberian 2.84
7 East_Asian 2.08
8 Northwest_African 1.72

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Dodecad @ 13.488826
2 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 14.712037
3 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 14.776910
4 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 16.152155
5 Romanians_Behar @ 16.337973
6 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 16.719879
7 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.319485
8 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 17.358393
9 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 17.532263
10 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 17.904236
11 Tuscan_HGDP @ 19.606342
12 TSI30_Metspalu @ 20.296368
13 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 22.081839
14 Turkish_Dodecad @ 22.525532
15 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.446077
16 Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 23.561193
17 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 23.952034
18 Turks_Behar @ 24.136316
19 North_Italian_HGDP @ 26.255621
20 Kumyks_Yunusbayev @ 26.631697

EUROGENES K13

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.45
2 West_Asian 17.97
3 Baltic 15.92
4 North_Atlantic 15.53
5 West_Med 15.36
6 Siberian 4.08
7 Red_Sea 4.04
8 South_Asian 1.20
9 Oceanian 1.20


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.913300
2 Central_Greek @ 11.322487
3 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.815446
4 East_Sicilian @ 12.924443
5 Bulgarian @ 13.375573
6 Ashkenazi @ 15.560249
7 Romanian @ 15.637211
8 West_Sicilian @ 15.856279
9 South_Italian @ 15.937886
10 Tuscan @ 18.530962
11 Serbian @ 20.358789
12 Turkish @ 20.634781
13 Sephardic_Jewish @ 21.500040
14 Algerian_Jewish @ 22.349386
15 Italian_Jewish @ 22.574333
16 North_Italian @ 23.264223
17 Tunisian_Jewish @ 24.964022
18 Cyprian @ 25.289473
19 Moldavian @ 25.327925
20 Libyan_Jewish @ 25.367870


MDLP K23B

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.28
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 18.80
3 European_Early_Farmers 14.79
4 Near_East 9.24
5 South_Central_Asian 8.43
6 Tungus-Altaic 4.76
7 North_African 4.00
8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.50


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 7.215541
2 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 9.697253
3 Turk_Balikesir_ @ 9.737465
4 Azov_Greek_ @ 9.883278
5 Turk_Aydin_ @ 10.332807
6 Greek_ @ 10.435385
7 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 10.536961
8 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 11.044657
9 Central_Greek_ @ 11.185824
10 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 11.802006
11 Greek_Athens_ @ 11.916197
12 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 11.941751
13 Greek_Northwest_ @ 12.049008
14 Ashkenazi_ @ 12.073565
15 Crimean_Tatar_Coast_ @ 12.247816
16 Turk_Istanbul_ @ 12.263663
17 Romanian_Jew_ @ 12.292879
18 Cretan_ @ 12.373502
19 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 12.556520
20 Gagauz_ @ 12.643234

[Lauχum]

Hello! Can you post your mixed model results for Eurogenes?

[canadienne]

78978

[Dandelion]

Funny username. It means 'Canadian woman', yet you are male. ;)

[canadienne]

also means "canadian cow". i use these version :)

[canadienne]

Can you please explain my results? Because i don't understand anything. How it's my European & Turkic odds?

[Lauχum]

Can you please explain my results? Because i don't understand anything. How it's my European & Turkic odds?

I meant your results from the oracle and oracle-4 . They will appear like

67% X + 33% Y @3.45

and with the case of oracle-4:

50% X + 50% Y @N

50% X + 25% Y + 25% Z @N

W + X + Y + Z @N

[canadienne]

I meant your results from the oracle and oracle-4 . They will appear like

67% X + 33% Y @3.45

and with the case of oracle-4:

50% X + 50% Y @N

50% X + 25% Y + 25% Z @N

W + X + Y + Z @N
I don't understand anything. Can you please be a basic? Because i don't know genetic.

[canadienne]

EUROGENES K13

ORACLE

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.7% Bulgarian + 39.3% Turkish @ 3.08
2 57% Romanian + 43% Turkish @ 3.28
3 74.2% Greek_Thessaly + 25.8% Nogay @ 3.49
4 50.3% Serbian + 49.7% Turkish @ 3.73
5 75.1% Greek_Thessaly + 24.9% Turkmen @ 4.01
6 75.3% Central_Greek + 24.7% Tatar @ 4.11
7 66.2% Bulgarian + 33.8% Azeri @ 4.14
8 74.7% Greek_Thessaly + 25.3% Kumyk @ 4.17
9 77% Greek_Thessaly + 23% Kabardin @ 4.18
10 80.2% Central_Greek + 19.8% Chuvash @ 4.21
11 77.3% Greek_Thessaly + 22.7% Balkar @ 4.28
12 66.7% Romanian + 33.3% Assyrian @ 4.36
13 79.1% Greek_Thessaly + 20.9% North_Ossetian @ 4.36
14 66.9% Romanian + 33.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.46
15 81.9% Central_Greek + 18.1% Mari @ 4.52
16 68.3% Romanian + 31.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.61
17 60.3% Serbian + 39.7% Assyrian @ 4.66
18 78.6% Greek_Thessaly + 21.4% Chechen @ 4.66
19 78.4% Greek_Thessaly + 21.6% Adygei @ 4.67
20 79.1% Greek_Thessaly + 20.9% Lezgin @


ORACLE-4

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.913300
2 Central_Greek @ 11.322487
3 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.815446
4 East_Sicilian @ 12.924443
5 Bulgarian @ 13.375573
6 Ashkenazi @ 15.560249
7 Romanian @ 15.637211
8 West_Sicilian @ 15.856279
9 South_Italian @ 15.937886
10 Tuscan @ 18.530962
11 Serbian @ 20.358789
12 Turkish @ 20.634781
13 Sephardic_Jewish @ 21.500040
14 Algerian_Jewish @ 22.349386
15 Italian_Jewish @ 22.574333
16 North_Italian @ 23.264223
17 Tunisian_Jewish @ 24.964022
18 Cyprian @ 25.289473
19 Moldavian @ 25.327925
20 Libyan_Jewish @ 25.367870


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Turkish @ 3.997959

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Tatar +25% Turkish @ 1.988055

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Armenian + Italian_Jewish + Romanian + Tatar @ 1.585190
2 Georgian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Tatar + West_Sicilian @ 1.593160
3 Armenian + Central_Greek + Chuvash + Tuscan @ 1.695733
4 Georgian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Tatar @ 1.716034
5 Assyrian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Tatar @ 1.726694
6 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Tatar + West_Sicilian @ 1.738590
7 Balkar + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Kargopol_Russian @ 1.756816
8 Central_Greek + Georgian_Jewish + Tatar + Tuscan @ 1.763741
9 Armenian + Chuvash + East_Sicilian + Tuscan @ 1.785283
10 Algerian_Jewish + Armenian + Romanian + Tatar @ 1.787148
11 Armenian + Chuvash + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 1.816661
12 Armenian + Bulgarian + Italian_Jewish + Tatar @ 1.878074
13 Assyrian + Romanian + South_Italian + Tatar @ 1.886825
14 Assyrian + Bulgarian + South_Italian + Tatar @ 1.899995
15 Georgian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Tatar + Tuscan @ 1.904071
16 Armenian + Italian_Jewish + Serbian + Tatar @ 1.921768
17 Algerian_Jewish + Armenian + Serbian + Tatar @ 1.950348
18 Balkar + Italian_Jewish + Kargopol_Russian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.956414
19 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Tatar + Turkish @ 1.988055
20 Chuvash + Georgian_Jewish + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 2.008028

[gültekin]

Can you please explain my results? Because i don't understand anything. How it's my European & Turkic odds?
Your results explains itself. you are basically Colonial Turcoman with aboriginal balkan admix

EUROGENES K13

ORACLE

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.7% Bulgarian + 39.3% Turkish @ 3.08
2 57% Romanian + 43% Turkish @ 3.28
3 74.2% Greek_Thessaly + 25.8% Nogay @ 3.49
4 50.3% Serbian + 49.7% Turkish @ 3.73
5 75.1% Greek_Thessaly + 24.9% Turkmen @ 4.01
6 75.3% Central_Greek + 24.7% Tatar @ 4.11
7 66.2% Bulgarian + 33.8% Azeri @ 4.14
8 74.7% Greek_Thessaly + 25.3% Kumyk @ 4.17
9 77% Greek_Thessaly + 23% Kabardin @ 4.18
10 80.2% Central_Greek + 19.8% Chuvash @ 4.21
11 77.3% Greek_Thessaly + 22.7% Balkar @ 4.28
12 66.7% Romanian + 33.3% Assyrian @ 4.36
13 79.1% Greek_Thessaly + 20.9% North_Ossetian @ 4.36
14 66.9% Romanian + 33.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.46
15 81.9% Central_Greek + 18.1% Mari @ 4.52
16 68.3% Romanian + 31.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.61
17 60.3% Serbian + 39.7% Assyrian @ 4.66
18 78.6% Greek_Thessaly + 21.4% Chechen @ 4.66
19 78.4% Greek_Thessaly + 21.6% Adygei @ 4.67
20 79.1% Greek_Thessaly + 20.9% Lezgin @


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Turkish @ 3.997959

[gültekin]

for comparison, i'm from Bolu - West Blacksea
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 24.97
2 East_Med 24.4
3 West_Med 11.34
4 North_Atlantic 10.73
5 Baltic 9.23
6 Siberian 6.11
7 East_Asian 4.58
8 South_Asian 3.2
9 Red_Sea 2.52
10 Amerindian 1.36
11 Oceanian 1.02
12 Northeast_African 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 9.55
2 Azeri 13.18
3 Turkmen 14.74
4 Central_Greek 16.4
5 Kumyk 16.82
6 East_Sicilian 17.32
7 Italian_Abruzzo 17.77
8 Nogay 17.99
9 South_Italian 18.09
10 Ashkenazi 18.79
11 Greek_Thessaly 18.82
12 Kurdish 18.85
13 Iranian 19.55
14 Lebanese_Muslim 19.57
15 Armenian 19.82
16 Georgian_Jewish 19.83
17 Assyrian 20.03
18 Balkar 20.05
19 West_Sicilian 20.46
20 Syrian 20.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.8% Turkmen + 47.2% Central_Greek @ 3.32
2 54.3% Turkmen + 45.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.86
3 79.2% Turkish + 20.8% Tatar @ 3.86
4 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% La_Brana-1 @ 4.21
5 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% East_Finnish @ 4.49
6 53.6% Nogay + 46.4% Cyprian @ 4.49
7 55.5% Turkmen + 44.5% South_Italian @ 4.5
8 83.3% Turkish + 16.7% Chuvash @ 4.52
9 85.4% Turkish + 14.6% Finnish @ 4.52
10 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.61
11 85.2% Turkish + 14.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.64
12 55.7% Nogay + 44.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4.64
13 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Ashkenazi @ 4.67
14 55.1% Turkmen + 44.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.69
15 53.9% Nogay + 46.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.73
16 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.76
17 58.8% Turkmen + 41.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.78
18 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Mari @ 4.79
19 56.4% Nogay + 43.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.85
20 86% Turkish + 14% Estonian @ 4.87

[Kaspias]

Check this. (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?252523-Genetics-of-Balkan-Turks)

Your results typical greece-turk results. If you have questions, you can ask. Also I will share my results so you can compare. I'm 50% Pomak from Greece, Rhodope, 25% Greece-Turk from Komotini, 25% Bulgarian Turk from Dobrudja.

Btw you have 5-6% Turkic genes in general, that is too much for a balkan turk(Same case in me XD). Balkan turks usually score 1-2% turkic.

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.68
2 Baltic 19.39
3 West_Asian 15.84
4 North_Atlantic 15.26
5 West_Med 12.5
6 Siberian 6.86
7 Red_Sea 1.79
8 South_Asian 1.76
9 East_Asian 1.71
10 Sub-Saharan 0.91
11 Amerindian 0.8
12 Oceanian 0.5


Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 26.59
2 Caucasus 24.54
3 Atlantic_Med 20.91
4 Gedrosia 8.44
5 Southwest_Asian 7.59
6 Siberian 5.82
7 East_Asian 3.14
8 South_Asian 1.55
9 Northwest_African 1.39
10 East_African 0.04


MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 30.43
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.38
3 European_Early_Farmers 16.57
4 Near_East 7.14
5 South_Central_Asian 6.56
6 Ancestral_Altaic 4.05
7 East_Siberian 3.77
8 Tungus-Altaic 2.43
9 Arctic 1.22
10 North_African 1.07
11 South_East_Asian 1.02
12 Amerindian 0.87
13 East_African 0.73
14 Australoid 0.61
15 South_Indian 0.59
16 Subsaharian 0.3
17 Archaic_Human 0.25

[Lauχum]

EUROGENES K13

ORACLE

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.7% Bulgarian + 39.3% Turkish @ 3.08
2 57% Romanian + 43% Turkish @ 3.28
3 74.2% Greek_Thessaly + 25.8% Nogay @ 3.49
4 50.3% Serbian + 49.7% Turkish @ 3.73
5 75.1% Greek_Thessaly + 24.9% Turkmen @ 4.01
6 75.3% Central_Greek + 24.7% Tatar @ 4.11
7 66.2% Bulgarian + 33.8% Azeri @ 4.14
8 74.7% Greek_Thessaly + 25.3% Kumyk @ 4.17
9 77% Greek_Thessaly + 23% Kabardin @ 4.18
10 80.2% Central_Greek + 19.8% Chuvash @ 4.21
11 77.3% Greek_Thessaly + 22.7% Balkar @ 4.28
12 66.7% Romanian + 33.3% Assyrian @ 4.36
13 79.1% Greek_Thessaly + 20.9% North_Ossetian @ 4.36
14 66.9% Romanian + 33.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.46
15 81.9% Central_Greek + 18.1% Mari @ 4.52
16 68.3% Romanian + 31.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.61
17 60.3% Serbian + 39.7% Assyrian @ 4.66
18 78.6% Greek_Thessaly + 21.4% Chechen @ 4.66
19 78.4% Greek_Thessaly + 21.6% Adygei @ 4.67
20 79.1% Greek_Thessaly + 20.9% Lezgin @


ORACLE-4

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.913300
2 Central_Greek @ 11.322487
3 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.815446
4 East_Sicilian @ 12.924443
5 Bulgarian @ 13.375573
6 Ashkenazi @ 15.560249
7 Romanian @ 15.637211
8 West_Sicilian @ 15.856279
9 South_Italian @ 15.937886
10 Tuscan @ 18.530962
11 Serbian @ 20.358789
12 Turkish @ 20.634781
13 Sephardic_Jewish @ 21.500040
14 Algerian_Jewish @ 22.349386
15 Italian_Jewish @ 22.574333
16 North_Italian @ 23.264223
17 Tunisian_Jewish @ 24.964022
18 Cyprian @ 25.289473
19 Moldavian @ 25.327925
20 Libyan_Jewish @ 25.367870


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Turkish @ 3.997959

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Tatar +25% Turkish @ 1.988055

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Armenian + Italian_Jewish + Romanian + Tatar @ 1.585190
2 Georgian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Tatar + West_Sicilian @ 1.593160
3 Armenian + Central_Greek + Chuvash + Tuscan @ 1.695733
4 Georgian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Tatar @ 1.716034
5 Assyrian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Tatar @ 1.726694
6 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Tatar + West_Sicilian @ 1.738590
7 Balkar + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Kargopol_Russian @ 1.756816
8 Central_Greek + Georgian_Jewish + Tatar + Tuscan @ 1.763741
9 Armenian + Chuvash + East_Sicilian + Tuscan @ 1.785283
10 Algerian_Jewish + Armenian + Romanian + Tatar @ 1.787148
11 Armenian + Chuvash + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 1.816661
12 Armenian + Bulgarian + Italian_Jewish + Tatar @ 1.878074
13 Assyrian + Romanian + South_Italian + Tatar @ 1.886825
14 Assyrian + Bulgarian + South_Italian + Tatar @ 1.899995
15 Georgian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Tatar + Tuscan @ 1.904071
16 Armenian + Italian_Jewish + Serbian + Tatar @ 1.921768
17 Algerian_Jewish + Armenian + Serbian + Tatar @ 1.950348
18 Balkar + Italian_Jewish + Kargopol_Russian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.956414
19 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Tatar + Turkish @ 1.988055
20 Chuvash + Georgian_Jewish + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 2.008028

Well there you go. I've seen similar results from other Balkan Turks. Basically a mix between Anatolian Turks and some Balkan population. Thankyou for sharing!

[Sora]

Good results! 4% Mongoloid is typical for a Greece Turk. Also your results are like 1/2 Balkan + 1/4 Anatolian + 1/4 Turkmen.

You're full Balkan Turk, right?

[Böri]

High on Turcoman element.


Good results! 4% Mongoloid is typical for a Greece Turk. Also your results are like 1/2 Balkan + 1/4 Anatolian + 1/4 Turkmen.

You're full Balkan Turk, right?

In Diber, Albania there are historically no Turkish settlements afaik. It looks like 3/4 Turkic ethnically but person must say himself.

[Kaspias]

Good results! 4% Mongoloid is typical for a Greece Turk. Also your results are like 1/2 Balkan + 1/4 Anatolian + 1/4 Turkmen.

You're full Balkan Turk, right?

His results 3/4 Balkan Turk 1/4 Albanian, but i think full Balkan Turk.

Greece Turks don't have so much European like Bulgarian ones.

[canadienne]

I don't understand. My European odds more, Turkic odds less, right?

[Kaspias]

I don't understand. My European odds more, Turkic odds less, right?

Nothing odd.

[canadienne]

And "Anatolian" means like Anatolian native (Hittites, Ionians) right?

[Kaspias]

And "Anatolian" means like Anatolian native (Hittites, Ionians) right?

No, if you mention today's anatolian it means anatolian turks.

If you're talking about ancient calculators it means farmers.

[canadienne]

Nothing odd.
i mean percentage. have i slavic background?

[Kaspias]

i mean percentage. have i slavic background?

Nothing odd, as i said.

Balkan Turks closer to balkan populations than Anatolian Turks. But Greece-Turks more east-med west asian shifted when compare other Balkan Turks(Bulgarian,Macedonian,Romanian etc.) And your results fit with your ancestry.


You don't have recent slavic ancestry but probably all balkan turks have from 1600s, i'm not sure tho. So that is not special for you.

[İrle]

Congrats. Are you fully Balkan Turk or do you have any another non-Turkish ancestry?

Your results seem to be closer to Balkan Turkish averages.

[canadienne]

Nothing odd, as i said.

Balkan Turks closer to balkan populations than Anatolian Turks. But Greece-Turks more east-med west asian shifted when compare other Balkan Turks(Bulgarian,Macedonian,Romanian etc.) And your results fit with your ancestry.


You don't have recent slavic ancestry but probably all balkan turks have from 1600s, i'm not sure tho. So that is not special for you.

Am i Balkan Turk or Greece-Turk?

[canadienne]

My maternal side have a Albanian ancestry (Dibër)

[Kaspias]

Am i Balkan Turk or Greece-Turk?

Balkan Turks have different branches.

-Greece Turks
-Bulgarian Turks
-Romanian Turks
-Macedonian Turks
-Ex-Jugoslavian Turks(very small amount.)

You're both Greece Turk and Balkan Turk in this sense.

[canadienne]

Balkan Turks have different branches.

-Greece Turks
-Bulgarian Turks
-Romanian Turks
-Macedonian Turks
-Ex-Jugoslavian Turks(very small amount.)

You're both Greece Turk and Balkan Turk in this sense.

Thank you for your answers and patience.

[Sora]

And "Anatolian" means like Anatolian native (Hittites, Ionians) right?

Yes. If you said "Anatolian" which means "Hittites, Phrigians, Hurrians, Galatians etc.", it's true.

Anatolian Turks are only 1/2 Turkmen + 1/2 Anatolian. But Balkan Turks are 1/2 Balkan + 1/4 Anatolian + 1/4 Turkmen.

Balkan Turks are between Anatolian Turks and Balkanites. But very close to Balkan than Anatolian Turks. That's why many Balkan Turks have more Bulgarian/Greek/Romanian at top 5

[canadienne]

What are the closest 5 nations to my results?

[Kaspias]

What are the closest 5 nations to my results?

If you interested, send me your gedmatch kit number from p.m. I will share your oracle results tomorrow. (Balkan Turk populations involved.)

But probably Turk_WesternThrace, Turk_EasternThrace, Turk_Izmir, Turk_Bulgaria, Crimean Tatar and Greeks closest ones.

[canadienne]

In FTDNA matches, i've seen many eastern european (mostly Polish) people.

[Kaspias]

In FTDNA matches, i've seen many eastern european (mostly Polish) people.

1 Greek_Peloponnese @ 7,813226
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 7,895778
3 Turk_EasternThrace @ 8,239252
4 Turk_WesternThrace 8,493309
5 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 8,802144
6 Greek_Crete @ 10,901032
7 Turk_Bulgaria @ 11,969278
8 Romanian @ 12,158895
9 Turk_Istanbul @ 14,323845
10 Albanian @ 15,828873
11 Greek_Central @ 15,998825
12 Bulgarian @ 17,560699
13 Italian_South @ 17,969639
14 Turk_Southwest @ 18,502943
15 Italian_Abruzzi @ 20,216639
16 Turk_Balikesir @ 20,987179
17 Turk_Central_East @ 22,393929
18 Macedonian @ 22,810936
19 Crimean_Steppe_Tatar @ 24,762921
20 Tuscan @ 25,833743
230 iterations.


Your oracle results. Distances not so close because you're mixed, mixed people usually don't have close distances. Btw i don't have Turk_Thessaly population sample, probably it would be closer one for you.

[canadienne]

1 Greek_Peloponnese @ 7,813226
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 7,895778
3 Turk_EasternThrace @ 8,239252
4 Turk_WesternThrace 8,493309
5 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 8,802144
6 Greek_Crete @ 10,901032
7 Turk_Bulgaria @ 11,969278
8 Romanian @ 12,158895
9 Turk_Istanbul @ 14,323845
10 Albanian @ 15,828873
11 Greek_Central @ 15,998825
12 Bulgarian @ 17,560699
13 Italian_South @ 17,969639
14 Turk_Southwest @ 18,502943
15 Italian_Abruzzi @ 20,216639
16 Turk_Balikesir @ 20,987179
17 Turk_Central_East @ 22,393929
18 Macedonian @ 22,810936
19 Crimean_Steppe_Tatar @ 24,762921
20 Tuscan @ 25,833743
230 iterations.


Your oracle results. Distances not so close because you're mixed, mixed people usually don't have close distances. Btw i don't have Turk_Thessaly population sample, probably it would be closer one for you.

Thank you so much Kaspias.

[canadienne]

Are my results close to Italians?

[Kaspias]

Are my results close to Italians?

Your results close to Greeks and Balkan Turks.

Balkan Populations and Turks usually score close distances to Italians, this don't mean you have italian ancestry.

[canadienne]

I need your help everyone. Am i have Turkish ancestry?

[Marmara]

I need your help everyone. Am i have Turkish ancestry?

Evet, Asya genlerine sahipsin yani türk kokenlisin.

[canadienne]

Evet, Asya genlerine sahipsin yani türk kokenlisin.

Bu asya geni taşıdığımı nerden anlayabilirim hocam? Bunun için nereye bakmam gerekiyor?

[Marmara]

Bu asya geni taşıdığımı nerden anlayabilirim hocam? Bunun için nereye bakmam gerekiyor?

DODECAD K12B

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 30.19
2 North_European 23.09
3 Atlantic_Med 20.02
4 Gedrosia 10.03
5 Southwest_Asian 9.52
6 Siberian 2.84
7 East_Asian 2.08
8 Northwest_African 1.72

%6 Asya genetiğin var, sıradan Anadolu Türkü 7%-15% arasında.

Balkan yerlilerinde hiç olmaz bu, olursa onlarda da Türklük vardır.

Yani kökenlerinin hemen hemen yarısı Anadolu'ya dayanıyor, zaten 1/4'ü Arnavut.

[canadienne]

Balkan yerlisi tarafımı da north european bölümünden mi görüyoruz yoksa atlantic mediterranean bölümünden mi?

[Marmara]

Balkan yerlisi tarafımı da north european bölümünden mi görüyoruz yoksa atlantic mediterranean bölümünden mi?

Onu rahat göremezsin, Balkan yerlilierinde olan her genetik Anadoluda da var, ama Anadoluda olan Asya genetiği Balkanlarda yok.

[canadienne]

E nasıl anlayacağız peki Balkan yerlisi olduğumuzu?

[Marmara]

E nasıl anlayacağız peki Balkan yerlisi olduğumuzu?

Az önce açıkladım zaten sana, kokenlerinin hemen hemen yarısı Anadolu'dan geliyor, geri kalanı Balkan işte oradan çıkart, zenci olacak değil ya.

[canadienne]

Mesela sonucumu bir Anadolu Türkü'nün genetiğiyle karşılaştırdığım zaman bariz farkı görebiliyorum ama sadece kendi sonuçlarımdan bu durumu ayıkamıyorum. Zamana ihtiyacım var sanıyorum...

[Marmara]

Mesela sonucumu bir Anadolu Türkü'nün genetiğiyle karşılaştırdığım zaman bariz farkı görebiliyorum ama sadece kendi sonuçlarımdan bu durumu ayıkamıyorum. Zamana ihtiyacım var sanıyorum...

Anlamak için belki zamana ihtiyacın var ama sonuç bariz, Balkanlara göç etmiş Türkler ile oranın yerlilerinin karışımı, zaten herkeste böyle.

[canadienne]

Ekstra olarak şimdi 1-2 topic daha inceledim forumlardan, Anadolu Türklerine nazaran Atlantic Med sonucum yuksek, Gedroasia sonucum dusuk.

[canadienne]

Have i any Semitic mix? Because i've seen all oracle population cluster show me a jewish (sephardic/ashkenazi) odds.

[Bosniensis]

Another thread where Turks are ignoring their haplogroup and massive Greek admixture xD

[Kaspias]

Have i any Semitic mix? Because i've seen all oracle population cluster show me a jewish (sephardic/ashkenazi) odds.

Dont take them serious. What is your haplogroup? If you didn't test, you can upload your autosomal raw data to morleydna in order to predict it. Check this. (https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal)


Another thread where Turks are ignoring their haplogroup and massive Greek admixture xD


Balkan Turks usually mixed with Slavs, not Greeks. But he has Albanian ancestor so probably he has Greek blood as well. Both Balkan Turks and Greeks have same amount West Asian admixture so oracle usually shows Greek population as closest one.

[Bosniensis]

Balkan Turks have different branches.

-Greece Turks
-Bulgarian Turks
-Romanian Turks
-Macedonian Turks
-Ex-Jugoslavian Turks(very small amount.)

You're both Greece Turk and Balkan Turk in this sense.

Turks are people from Asian Steppes

Turkic speaking Greek is Greek
Turkic speaking Bulgarian is Bulgarian
Turkic speaking Romanian is Romanian
Turkic speaking Macedonian is Macedonian (slavic)
Turkic speaking ExYu is either Serb or Croat or Bosniak how most of muslims call themselves.

Turks are those people who match with Kazakhs and Turkmen people

How many "Anatolian Turks" match with Kazaks?

[Deniz]

Turks are people from Asian Steppes

Turkic speaking Greek is Greek
Turkic speaking Bulgarian is Bulgarian
Turkic speaking Romanian is Romanian
Turkic speaking Macedonian is Macedonian (slavic)
Turkic speaking ExYu is either Serb or Croat or Bosniak how most of muslims call themselves.

Turks are those people who match with Kazakhs and Turkmen people

How many "Anatolian Turks" match with Kazaks?
Actually ı dont want to discuss with you Sinan.But we have Greek speaking muslims here.>Patriyots.Maybe you should learn this.

[Bosniensis]

Actually ı dont want to discuss with you Sinan.But we have Greek speaking muslims here.>Patriyots.Maybe you should learn this.

I could not understand a word you said.

[Deniz]

I could not understand a word you said.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallahades
They re known as a “Patriyot” here.Their old people are still can speak Greek.

[Bosniensis]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallahades
They re known as a “Patriyot” here.Their old people are still can speak Greek.

Oh those are Late converts. Anatolian Greeks converted predominantly from 1100 to 1300 A.D. then during Ottoman Period.

Anatolian peoples of various ethnicity are converting to Islam and Turkic culture for 900 years now.

[Kaspias]

Turks are people from Asian Steppes

Turkic speaking Greek is Greek
Turkic speaking Bulgarian is Bulgarian
Turkic speaking Romanian is Romanian
Turkic speaking Macedonian is Macedonian (slavic)
Turkic speaking ExYu is either Serb or Croat or Bosniak how most of muslims call themselves.

Turks are those people who match with Kazakhs and Turkmen people

How many "Anatolian Turks" match with Kazaks?


Turks were people from Asian Steppes, now they're people from Anatolia,Caucassia,Balkans.

Turkic speaking Greek is Greece Turk who migrated from Anatolia to the Balkans.
Turkic speaking Bulgarian is Bulgarian Turk, who migrated from Anatolia to the Balkans or descendants of tatars.
Turkic speaking Romanian is descendants of tatars.
Turkic speaking Macedonian is Macedonian Turk who migrated from Anatolia.
Turkic speaking ExYu is Turk who migrated from Anatolia to the Balkans, most probably descendants of "Ottoman Raiders"


The first Turks who migrated to Balkans between 1400-1600 years, they married with Slav and Greek people but mostly Slav as i said. But then, they formed a seperate "ethnic" that different from typical turks and balkan populations. Named as Balkan Turks. They married each other, didn't mix anymore.

You will ask why today's Turks score like 10% siberia. Here is explain, but at first look haplogroups.


Haplogroups

"Uyghurs" the place where almost all Turks rooted. Their haplogroups already not only "Turkic" how we can expect "Turkic" haplogroups from Anatolian Turks?

https://i0.wp.com/www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/uygurlarda-ydna-haplogruplari.png?zoom=2

Also i want to show Uzbeks;

https://i1.wp.com/www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/ozbekler-ydna-haplogruplari.png?zoom=2

And Kazan Tatars;

https://i0.wp.com/www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/kazan-tatarlari-ydna-haplogruplari.jpg?zoom=2


Now take a look Anatolian Turks and Balkan Turks, i got all data from FTDNA Y-500 Testers.

https://image.ibb.co/icFmxe/Turkey_Haplogroup.png

R1b, Q, N,O can be related to Turkic heritage. Also J2 for Turkmens.

And Balkan Turks

https://image.ibb.co/dym1td/Balkan_Turks_Y_DNA.png


Balkan Turks carry less Turkic heritage when compare Anatolian ones, normally.






Autosomal


I won't mention Anatolian Turks here, just Balkan Turks. There are some differences in autosomal dna of Balkan Turks with Balkan Populations. Here;


Bulgarian Turk

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.92
2 Baltic 19.15
3 West_Asian 17.42
4 North_Atlantic 14.8
5 West_Med 11.1
6 Siberian 4.71
7 East_Asian 3.06
8 Red_Sea 2.7
9 Amerindian 1.83
10 South_Asian 0.97
11 Oceanian 0.67
12 Sub-Saharan 0.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 14.21
2 Romanian 15.03
3 Greek_Thessaly 15.05


Bulgarian

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.56
2 East_Med 23.89
3 West_Med 19.1
4 North_Atlantic 18.91
5 West_Asian 3.46
6 South_Asian 0.91
7 East_Asian 0.74
8 Northeast_African 0.65
9 Oceanian 0.5
10 Amerindian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.92
2 Romanian 6.87
3 Serbian 7.48


Greece Turk

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.6
2 West_Asian 18.63
3 North_Atlantic 16.44
4 West_Med 14.8
5 Baltic 13.92
6 East_Asian 4.1
7 Siberian 3.81
8 Red_Sea 3.47
9 Amerindian 1.25
10 South_Asian 0.96
11 Northeast_African 0.74
12 Oceanian 0.2
13 Sub-Saharan 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 12.57
2 Italian_Abruzzo 14.62
3 Central_Greek 14.7


Greek


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.84
2 West_Med 20.53
3 North_Atlantic 20.16
4 Baltic 16.82
5 West_Asian 14.16
6 Red_Sea 2.64
7 Sub-Saharan 1.24
8 Amerindian 0.75
9 Siberian 0.57
10 Oceanian 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 2.73
2 Bulgarian 7.71
3 Italian_Abruzzo 8.83


You can see the difference between Balkan Turks and Balkan populations.

To sum up, Early ancestors of Balkan Turks who migrated Balkans, mostly mixed with native people. But then, they created a different ethnic group named as Balkan Turks, they married each other and didn't mix with both natives and anatolians.

Also, Both Anatolian Turks and Balkan Turks are real descendants of the Turks who lived in Eurasia Steppes Balkan Turks mixed with Balkan populations, Anatolian Turks mixed with Anatolians. But they still carry their ethnic heritage. Proto-Turks had Siberian+East Asian+Northeast European(Baltic)+West Asian, because they lived with these peoples. Anatolian Turks had mostly West Asian+Siberian+East Asian, because they're living in West Asia now. These tests going back to 300-500 years. But Turks living in Anatolia for 1000 years. ^-^

[Deniz]

Oh those are Late converts. Anatolian Greeks converted predominantly from 1100 to 1300 A.D. then during Ottoman Period.

Anatolian peoples of various ethnicity are converting to Islam and Turkic culture for 900 years now.

Ohh Sinan.You dont know nothing about the Turkey.:DTurkish peoples are predominantly Irano-Caucasian with a Central asian Turkmen admixture.(Turkmens had West Asian admixture too)Just Western Anatolia has a Greek-Cypriot-Levant like admixtures.And Those peoples have the most Turkic average with Giresun(Black Sea region) in Turkey.Your claims always exaggerated.I know these Patriyot people very well.I just tried to give you some information.You need more information for your big claims.

[Rgvgjhvv]

"Uyghurs" the place where almost all Turks rooted.


I think my last name might derive from Uyghur language. Which is like super strange lol

[Rgvgjhvv]

Ohh Sinan.You dont know nothing about the Turkey.:DTurkish peoples are predominantly Irano-Caucasian with a Central asian Turkmen admixture.(Turkmens had West Asian admixture too)Just Western Anatolia has a Greek-Cypriot-Levant like admixtures.And Those peoples have the most Turkic average with Giresun(Black Sea region) in Turkey.Your claims always exaggerated.I know these Patriyot people very well.I just tried to give you some information.You need more information for your big claims.

Do you know why they have the highest east asian admixture in the country?

[İrle]

Ohh Sinan.You dont know nothing about the Turkey.:DTurkish peoples are predominantly Irano-Caucasian with a Central asian Turkmen admixture.(Turkmens had West Asian admixture too)Just Western Anatolia has a Greek-Cypriot-Levant like admixtures.And Those peoples have the most Turkic average with Giresun(Black Sea region) in Turkey.Your claims always exaggerated.I know these Patriyot people very well.I just tried to give you some information.You need more information for your big claims.

It's actually Muğla that has the highest with %18-20. Not Giresun.

[Yaglakar]

Turks were people from Asian Steppes, now they're people from Anatolia,Caucassia,Balkans.

The first Turks who migrated to Balkans between 1400-1600 years, they married with Slav and Greek people but mostly Slav as i said. But then, they formed a seperate "ethnic" that different from typical turks and balkan populations. Named as Balkan Turks. They married each other, didn't mix anymore.

You will ask why today's Turks score like 10% siberia. Here is explain, but at first look haplogroups.


Haplogroups

"Uyghurs" the place where almost all Turks rooted. Their haplogroups already not only "Turkic" how we can expect "Turkic" haplogroups from Anatolian Turks?

https://i0.wp.com/www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/uygurlarda-ydna-haplogruplari.png?zoom=2

Also i want to show Uzbeks;

https://i1.wp.com/www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/ozbekler-ydna-haplogruplari.png?zoom=2

And Kazan Tatars;

https://i0.wp.com/www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/kazan-tatarlari-ydna-haplogruplari.jpg?zoom=2

Earliest proto-Turkic speaking groups emerged in south Siberia, not Altai or Xinjiang. They were most likely sedentary hunters and fishermen, not nomads.

Those results from that particular study are inaccurate, contain small sample sizes and are not inclusive (samples being taken from 1 or 2 regions).

https://i.imgur.com/9VY3ei6.png

[Kelmendasi]

Where in Diber does your maternal side come from and is it recent?

[Deniz]

Do you know why they have the highest east asian admixture in the country?

Mostly Turkmen Yörük populated areas.Also ı am sure some of turkic tribes had different east eurasian averages.This can be the another reason.

[Deniz]

It's actually Muğla that has the highest with %18-20. Not Giresun.

I didnt say Giresun:confused::)I said Western Anatolia and Giresun.I know ıts Mugla.

[Kaspias]

Earliest proto-Turkic speaking groups emerged in south Siberia, not Altai or Xinjiang. They were most likely sedentary hunters and fishermen, not nomads.

Those results from that particular study are inaccurate, contain small sample sizes and are not inclusive (samples being taken from 1 or 2 regions).

https://i.imgur.com/9VY3ei6.png

So? I don't care their origin? I just showed central asian turks don't have only turkic y-dna. And these charts are completely accurate, take a look their sources.

[Kaspias]

I think my last name might derive from Uyghur language. Which is like super strange lol

Most of Turks have Arab surname, that would be strange if your surname's root Uyghur XD

[İrle]

Most of Turks have Arab surname, that would be strange if your surname's root Uyghur XD

Turks do not have Arabic surnames, on the contrary the surnames are almost always Turkic originated.

[Kaspias]

Turks do not have Arabic surnames, on the contrary the surnames are almost always Turkic originated.

AHAHAHAHHAHAHA ok

[Yaglakar]

So? I don't care their origin? I just showed central asian turks don't have only turkic y-dna. And these charts are completely accurate, take a look their sources.

Basic haplogroups don't matter, only subclades do.

[Yaglakar]

Turks do not have Arabic surnames, on the contrary the surnames are almost always Turkic originated.

Turkish surnames are not a recent 20th century development?

[Kaspias]

You stupid little fuck face, stop spamming the thread and get lost.

Denying reality = playing little turanist game

[İrle]

Turkish surnames are not a recent 20th century development?

What's your point?

[canadienne]

Where in Diber does your maternal side come from and is it recent?

They was live in Dibër, Albania & they came in 1925 to İstanbul. My maternal side know & speak Albanian language.

[Kelmendasi]

They was live in Dibër, Albania & they came in 1925 to İstanbul. My maternal side know & speak Albanian language.
Do you know what village in Diber?

[Böri]

Denying reality = playing little turanist game

Another Balkanian jumping into any stuff about Turks. Guy is right. You feckwits from Balkan ethnos need to be cooler and know your place, and keeping quiet when necessary.

[canadienne]

Do you know what village in Diber?

sorry but no. did you from dibër?

[Kaspias]

Another Balkanian jumping into any stuff about Turks. Guy is right. You feckwits from Balkan ethnos need to be cooler and know your place, and keeping quiet when necessary.

I didn't say anything bad, i have hebrew surname as well. He just denying the reality.

But topic is not about surnames, let's don't argue.

[Yaglakar]

What's your point?

"Turkic originated" assumes continuity and not arbitrary institution.

I don't know if there any modern Turkic population which has "Turkic" surnames.

[canadienne]

Population
Sub-Saharan -
Amerindian 0.46
South_Asian 0.35
Near_East 11.71
Siberian 2.34
European_HG 19.90
Caucasus_HG 29.76
South_African_HG 0.14
Anatolian_NF 31.45
East_Asian 0.97
Oceanian 1.00
Beringian 1.92

My puntDNAL K12 Ancient Admixture results. Can you please comment this?

[İrle]

"Turkic originated" assumes continuity and not arbitrary institution.

I don't know if there any modern Turkic population which has "Turkic" surnames.

It does not "assume" such a thing, the sentence simply refers the ethymological origins of the surnames. That's all.

[Kelmendasi]

sorry but no. did you from dibër?
My mothers side are from the Dibra area and they had people who left Albania for Turkey a while ago, specifially Istanbul. They are from a village called Borove

[Kaspias]

It does not "assume" such a thing, the sentence simply refers the ethymological origins of the surnames. That's all.

Turks have 50% Siberia and 50% East Asian. Turks only using Turkic words, names, surnames. I think you're be bursting with happiness now.


Btw Cuman, Kipchak not an identity today. I still suspect with an Cuman ancestry because i have more east asian and siberian than you. But Pomak is an identity. :)

[Kaspias]

Just the fuck up imbecile, you pulled out a stupid claim out of your ass and I merely corrected it. Don't be such a little bitch just because your own surname is Hebrew or Arabic ethymologically.

you merely corrected my ass.

Having an Arab or Hebrew rooted surname not a bad thing.

[Deniz]

Please stop this nonsense discussion.;)We hadnt surnames before the rebuplic.Just nicknames for profession or character.And even Kurds have Turkic surnames now.

[Yaglakar]

It does not "assume" such a thing, the sentence simply refers the ethymological origins of the surnames. That's all.

Your command of the lingua franca is poor my friend. :D

[Bornoz]

Gereksiz kavga etmeyin

[İrle]

you merely corrected my ass.

Having an Arab or Hebrew rooted surname not a bad thing.

I posted the list of surnames, here is the most commonly used ones:

http://www.name-statistics.org/tr/numedefamiliecomune.php

Either base your claim about "most Turks have Arabic surnames" or shut the fuck up.

[canadienne]

Population
Sub-Saharan -
Amerindian 0.46
South_Asian 0.35
Near_East 11.71
Siberian 2.34
European_HG 19.90
Caucasus_HG 29.76
South_African_HG 0.14
Anatolian_NF 31.45
East_Asian 0.97
Oceanian 1.00
Beringian 1.92

My puntDNAL K12 Ancient Admixture results. Can you please comment this?

siktir edin şimdi soyadı kavgasını ortak bir paydada buluşalım birbirimizi kırmayalım ne ifade ediyor bu sonuç acaba??

[İrle]

Your command of the lingua franca is poor my friend. :D

It is fascinating you always pull out the least meaningful thing out of every post. :)

[Bornoz]

My surname is not Arabic, when I check surnames of people around me I can't find any Arabic surname and your surname is also not Arabic Kaspias. Plenty of people have Arabic names but arabic surname is super rare, even amongst native Arabs.

[Kaspias]

I posted the list of surnames, here is the most commonly used ones:

http://www.name-statistics.org/tr/numedefamiliecomune.php

Either base your claim about "most Turks have Arabic surnames" claim or shut the fuck up.

Şahin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahin (Iran origin)
Can: https://www.etimolojiturkce.com/kelime/can (Iran origin)
Kara: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_(name) (Arab)
Gül: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gul_(name) (Iran)


etc etc. Thank you for prove my point. ^-^

[Kaspias]

My surname is not Arabic, when I check surnames of people around me I can't find any Arabic surname and your surname is also not Arabic Kaspias. Plenty of people have Arabic names but arabic surname is super rare, even amongst native Arabs.

Ja, i agree. But not super-rare, only rare.

Turk+Iran+Arab+Hebrew=Turkey surnames. I didn't say Turkey fullfilled by Arabic surnames. And there is no bad thing i think, why he gets angry?

[İrle]

Şahin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahin (Iran origin)
Can: https://www.etimolojiturkce.com/kelime/can (Iran origin)
Kara: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_(name) (Arab)
Gül: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gul_(name) (Iran)


etc etc. Thank you for prove my point. ^-^


You are absolutely an imbecile, you picked up only 4 out of a thousand name and those names are Turkified for hundreds of years. They are not recently barrowed.

And Kara that is used by Arabs is not the same that used by Turks. It is a Turkic word dimwit.

[Kaspias]

You are absolutely an imbecile, you picked up only 4 out of a thousand name and those names are Turkified for hundreds of years. They are not recently barrowed.

And Kara that is used by Arabs is not the same that used by Turks. It is a Turkic word dimwit.

Okey, have a good evening.

[canadienne]

Hello there.

How can i find my slavic ancestry in gedmatch? Am i have a slavic ancestry? I need your help.

[DarknessWin]

Balkanian non turk

[canadienne]

Balkanian non turk

AVE!

yes i'm emperor of byzantine iv. justinian ottomans smells like shit.

do you happy now?

[canadienne]

Hello there.

How can i find my slavic ancestry in gedmatch? Am i have a slavic ancestry? I need your help.

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