Friendship of Poles and Germans

[Teutone]

Can there ever be friendship despite our almost completly hostile history with eachother?

http://bintel.com.ua/uploads/articlesImages/articles_1888.jpeg

At least we both like Beer, Potatoes and Pork

[Hulu]

At least we both like Beer, Potatoes and Pork

And sausages

[Teutone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZbdcr9anRk

[Benyzero]

cabbage? :D

[Teutone]

Without any debate the best beers come from Germany, Poland and Czech

I personally even gotta admit Czech Beer is mostly better than German but I also enjoy polish Piwo alot

[Hulu]

Without any debate the best beers come from Germany, Poland and Czech

I personally even gotta admit Czech Beer is mostly better than German

wut?

There's no Polish beer here but Czech is considered second tier to German.

[Teutone]

wut?

There's no Polish beer here but Czech is considered second tier to German.

Drink Tyskie or Lech when you can

[Teutone]

On all the industrial beers, the best I drank was the czech Budweiser, not to be confused with the American budweiser which tastes like piss

[Gwydion]

They fought together against the Ottomans, so there's that.

[Hulu]

Drink Tyskie or Lech when you can

Low rating both

https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/lech-premium/10265/

https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/tyskie-gronie/4989/

Look at Franziskaner in comparison

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/142/1946/

Pilsner is the only one that's somewhat popular

[Óttar]

Sure. They're neighbors. Klose and Podolski were both Polish. But now, Poland has a larger army than Germany.

[Teutone]

Low rating both

https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/lech-premium/10265/

https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/tyskie-gronie/4989/

Look at Franziskaner in comparison

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/142/1946/

Pilsner is the only one that's somewhat popular

Try it on your own, I think they good

[Teutone]

Sure. They're neighbors. Klose and Podolski were both Polish. But now, Poland has a larger army than Germany.

I dont exagurate when I tell you that the German Army cannot even compete with Austria

But I think this isnt bad

[Agyullámtörő]

I dont exagurate when I tell you that the German Army cannot even compete with Austria

But I think this isnt bad

Why? It seems to me lot of german are brainwashed by american self hater propaganda.

[Ülev]

difficulties as hell, you know well polish diaspora on TA :rolleyes:

my opinion is that it is not possible on the level of friendship at the begining, at first - common interests only, Poles can cooperate with Germans, but only if they will see benefits, let them do something in a few fields, and they have to feel needed and special in what they do

[Teutone]

Why? It seems to me lot of german are brainwashed by american self hater propaganda.

What would be good about a strong German military?

Did the Bundeswehr ever follow the intrest of the German people?

Not sure how the war in Afghanistan or in Mali are in the intrest of the German people

Infact every clown that joined this army is just a sheep serving nato and american intrests

[Agyullámtörő]

What would be good about a strong German military?

Did the Bundeswehr ever follow the intrest of the German people?

Not sure how the war in Afghanistan or in Mali are in the intrest of the German people

Infact every clown that joined this army is just a sheep serving nato and american intrests

United EU Army would be better.

[Teutone]

United EU Army would be better.

Not at all, factualy even worse.

Europe doesnt belong united and especially not under the globalist and soros influenced EUdssr.

[Ülev]

but again mentality of soldiers from German Bundeswehr in my little town is better than any others from NATO, we have/had US, Spanish, Portuguese, UK, Croatian and even Albanian soldiers here

[Peterski]

Well, I guess there can be, but nobody is entitled to our friendship "just like that".

You started this thread, so you have to ask yourself what do Germans and Germany do to earn our friendship?

For instance how can there be a friendship if you refuse to recognize Poles as an official ethnic minority in Germany?

Let's put it into context, even Hitler agreed to recognize Polish minority in 1934. But Merkel is refusing to do it. So many Germans have some Polish blood (including Merkel herself), but you refuse to recognize the existence of ethnic Polish minority in Germany.

You think you have a right to "extract" Volksdeutsche from our ranks, without granting equal terms to Volkspolacken?

[Teutone]

Well, I guess there can be, but nobody is entitled to our friendship "just like that".

You have to ask yourself what do Germans and Germany do to earn our friendship?

For instance how can there be friendship if you refuse to recognize Poles as an official ethnic minority in Germany?

Let's put it into context, even Adolf Hitler agreed to recognize Polish minority in 1934. But Merkel is refusing to do it.

So many Germans have some Polish blood but you refuse to recognize the existence of Polish minority in Germany.

Poles in Germany mostly Germanize themselves volunteerly and dont seem to seek for any recognition

[Peterski]

Poles in Germany mostly Germanize themselves volunteerly and dont seem to seek for any recognition

^^^
And with such patronizing attitude there can never be friendship between us, because you don't want equal partnership.

I have a cousin in Germany (Lower Saxony), she visited Poland in July and I talked to her. She doesn't see herself as German and she barely has any German friends. She says there are more "ethnics" (including other Poles) than Germans in her neighbourhood.

[Teutone]

^^^
And with such patronizing attitude there can never be friendship between us, because you don't want equal partnership.

I have a cousin in Germany (Lower Saxony), she visited Poland in July and I talked to her. She doesn't see herself as German and she barely has any German friends. She says there are more "ethnics" (including other Poles) than Germans in her neighbourhood.

Show me any official polish organization based in Germany that called for minority recognition

as far I know the only minorities that are recognized are historically minorities who didint came trough immigration like the Sorbs

[Peterski]

Show me any official polish organization based in Germany that called for minority recognition

as far I know the only minorities that are recognized are historically minorities who didint came trough immigration like the Sorbs

Sorbs are basically Poles, as were Polabians in Mecklenburg. We are all Lechites (German: Lechen), North-West Slavs (as opposed to South-West Slavs like Czechs). It was Heinrich Himmler who said "it is important to divide Poles into as many quarreling groups as possible, divide et impera" - modern Germany continues the same Himmler's policy of dividing Poles in order to extract White immigrants from Poland.

That's what this "friendship" is about - you hope to get more White immigrants instead of Brown ones. That's why if there is any trace of autonomist movements in Poland, Germany is always first to support them with $$$ to undermine our unity.

And you call it "friendship"? This is just a continuation of centuries-old efforts at Germanizing us.

[Teutone]

Sorbs are basically Poles, as were Polabians in Mecklenburg. We are all Lechites (German: Lechen), North-West Slavs (as opposed to South-West Slavs like Czechs). It was Heinrich Himmler who said "it is important to divide Poles into as many quarreling groups as possible, divide et impera" - modern Germany continues the same Himmler's policy of dividing Poles in order to extract White immigrants from Poland.

That's what this "friendship" is about - you hope to get more White immigrants instead of Brown. That's why if there is any trace of autonomist movements in Poland, Germany is always first to support them with $$$ to undermine our unity.

And you call such policies "friendship"?

Sorbes are recognized

Checkmate

[Agyullámtörő]

Not at all, factualy even worse.

Europe doesnt belong united and especially not under the globalist and soros influenced EUdssr.

No problem, stay american slave. Independent Germany has no chance against USA or Russia, neither any other "free" european nation. West Europe will be american colony and East Europe became a russian colony. Bye bye future :)

[Peterski]

Show me any official polish organization based in Germany that called for minority recognition

Związek Polaków w Niemczech (Union of Poles in Germany) called for minority recognition (article in Polish):

https://www.bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Niemcy-Polacy-staraja-sie-o-status-mniejszosci-narodowej-3686979.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Poles_in_Germany

[Peterski]

historically minorities who didint came trough immigration like the Sorbs

How can you claim that Poles came through immigration? They were native to eastern provinces of Germany.

Later Germany lost those eastern provinces, but it does not justify abolishing the status of minority for Poles.

Poles came through immigration just like Germans from East Prussia came through immigration.

[Peterski]

In 1934 - 1939 Poles had the status of an officially recognized, native minority in Germany.

The Nazis deprived Poles of this status during WW2, and it was never returned back to us after WW2.

As I said it doesn't matter that borders have changed - give us our pre-1939 status back.

[Dandelion]

No problem, stay american slave. Independent Germany has no chance against USA or Russia, neither any other "free" european nation. West Europe will be american colony and East Europe became a russian colony. Bye bye future :)

EU is a bitter pill to swallow for many us, but we need a lot of it to remain intact, even if it's politically the undemocratic mess ruled largely by corrupt career politicians. We need to be a power block in the world to retain some relevance. Tough challenges ahead of us.

[Peterski]

If I'm not mistaken, between 1919 (Versailles) and 1934 (Polish-German Non-Aggression Pact) only Poles in Oppeln Regency had official status of a native minority (because it was enforced by the Entente when they supervised the Silesian Plebiscite).

However, in 1934 Hitler recognized all Poles in entire territory of Germany - including for example those living in Grenzmark Posen as well as those in Ruhrgebiet (the latter obviously descended from immigrants during the Ostflucht) as a native minority.

So between 1934-1939 ethnic Poles with German citizenship were recognized as a native minority no matter in which region of Germany they lived. Not only those near the Polish-German border in eastern provinces, but also those in Ruhrgebiet, etc.

That's why the fact that borders changed in 1945 should not matter.

If today we cannot even have the same status as under Hitler, then how can we talk about friendship?

Bear in mind that German minority in Poland has been recognized again after the Fall of Communism in 1989.

Between 1950 and 1989 there was no official recognition of German minority in Communist Poland.

[Teutone]

Peterski :picard2:

[Peterski]

Sorbes are recognized

That's why friendship with Sorbs is possible.

German minority's rights in Poland are respected today.

Polish minority's rights in Former Polish Eastern Lands - Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia - are being violated (especially in the first 3 countries, Latvia respects Polish minority rights more). Polish presence in Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania dates back to the 1300s, in Latvia to the 1500s.

Poles have lived in Lithuania for about as long as Germans have lived in East Prussia.

What are our German friends doing to ensure that Polish minority rights are respected in Lithuania, Ukraine? As far as I know, Germany is sympathetic towards Lithuanian and Ukrainian nationalists, Banderists, perpetrators of Ponary Massacre where thousands of Poles were murdered:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponary_massacre

Massacres of ethnic Poles in Volhynia by Ukrainian Nazis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

The truth is - Germany is better friends with Ukraine and Lithuania, than with Poland.

[Dandelion]

Teutone is reaching out and you spit in his hand. German - Polish friendship is still far ahead. Sadly Rethel isn't here to drop his two cents.

[Teutone]

No problem, stay american slave. Independent Germany has no chance against USA or Russia, neither any other "free" european nation. West Europe will be american colony and East Europe became a russian colony. Bye bye future :)

DId you missed anything? Obama and the whole US complex was against a Brexit

Why? Because the EU is OWNED by the USA and big coorperations

I dont want my nation to be influencial and start wars, I want to live in a nation minding it own business.

Like Japan, Germany can be like Japan.

[Ülev]

so as you can see, it is possible when Poles took over Germany, R1 Mazovian knight old-school method

but when they want to produce own military truck (https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelcz_442.32).... they order engine from Deutchland (MTU Friedrichshafen GmbH (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTU_Friedrichshafen))
etc. etc. or buying licenses from around the World generally

[Peterski]

https://i.imgur.com/ECLFuVpg.png

In modern Lithuania they even have the State Language Police since 1995:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck0uFdX4Nsg

Lithuanian nationalists removing bilingual street names in Polish-majority areas:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYjpd_3qrUQ

Where is official protest note from German government to Lithuanian government?

Why aren't our German friends protecting the rights of Polish minority in the Wilno Region? In Poland in Upper Silesia nobody is removing bilingual names, such as Bierdzany (Polish name) / Bierdzan (German name), even though it is ridiculous because all German names are only phonetically Germanized versions of Slavic names (like in the example I just gave you).

[Krivich]

Never between nations will there be friendship, only mutual interests. Poland for Germany will always be a natural donor for the expansion of the German living space.

[Krivich]

Teutone is reaching out and you spit in his hand. German - Polish friendship is still far ahead. Sadly Rethel isn't here to drop his two cents.

Petersky is a realist

[Peterski]

Teutone is reaching out and you spit in his hand.

He immediately got defensive and went in denial when I mentioned the issue of less rights of Polish minority in Germany than vice versa. True friends would listen to our concerns and try to figure out a compromise solution. Not care only about themselves.

[Pribislav]

It seems to me lot of german are brainwashed by american self hater propaganda.

+1

[Peterski]

as far I know the only minorities that are recognized are historically minorities who didint came trough immigration

Gypsies are officially recognized as a minority in Germany and they came through immigration - from as far as India.

[michal3141]

Can there ever be friendship despite our almost completly hostile history with eachother?

http://bintel.com.ua/uploads/articlesImages/articles_1888.jpeg

At least we both like Beer, Potatoes and Pork

Of course there could be friendship between Poles and Germans.

[Peterski]

Of course there could be friendship between Poles and Germans.

Not as long as it means hostility between Poles and Russians.

[Teutone]

This Thread turned hostile from a certain person

Just because he is an asshole as individual it doesnt mean he reprents the polish population such as a german assholes and racists towards polish people dont represent the german population

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