Bulgarians from Western Bulgaria. Main types

[pelikarski]

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[Mr. Anybody]

vuhuu.brothers from another mothers...

[Pribislav]

They are more Dinarid/Norid and less Pontid influenced than Bulgarian average I would say.

Their vibe is different than eastern Bulgarians and tilts to Serbs/southwestern Slavs. I have seen photos of Bulgarians from Plovdiv from night club, they mostly have rounded faces and alien vibe in comparation with southwestern Slavs.

[pelikarski]

They are more Dinarid/Norid and less Pontid influenced than Bulgarian average I would say.

Their vibe is different than eastern Bulgarians and tilts to Serbs/southwestern Slavs. I have seen photos of Bulgarians from Plovdiv from night club, they mostly have rounded faces and alien vibe in comparation with southwestern Slavs.

These are Bulgarians from Eastern Bulgaria
As a group they would pass in Ukraine or Southern Russia, you can't find Serbian or SW Slav group like them
so in that sense they look alien for Serbs
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[Pribislav]

These are Bulgarians from North Eastern Bulgaria
As a group they would pass in Ukraine or Southern Russia, you can't find Serbian or SW Slav group like them
so in that sense they look alien for Serbs
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Yes, I agree.
People from photos from western Bulgaria look quite more similar to Serbs than these people from northeastern Bulgaria. They look even different from Macedonians.

[Bosniensis]

Those are Serbs with stronger Southern Influence, and some of them have that minor ancestral turan influence.

Western Bulgarians are Serbs.

[Pribislav]

Those are Serbs with stronger Southern Influence, and some of them have that minor ancestral turan influence.

Western Bulgarians are Serbs.

This is visible on the photo from northeastern Bulgaria.

I heard few opinions that Turan influence in Bulgaria is most common in Kyustendil area. I think that is not true and Asian influence is most present in northeastern Bulgaria. Proto-Bulgarians settled to present day northeastern Bulgaria.

[pelikarski]

Yes, I agree.
People from photos from western Bulgaria look quite more similar to Serbs than these people from northeastern Bulgaria. They look even different from Macedonians.

They are from my hometown https://www.google.bg/maps/place/%D0%94%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0/@43.1735484,19.9729075,7.29z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x14aae824073f9ac1:0x400a01269bf51 c0!8m2!3d42.2613275!4d23.1124424


They may have a bit more different look because it's a mountainous region. The Bulgarians from southernmost Bulgaria like Sandanski and Petrich are identical to Macedonians.

[Archduke]

There isn't much difference between Eastern and Western Bulgarians nowadays.

DOn't forget that in SOutheastern Bulgaria loads of people have ancestry from Macedonia (mostly Eagean Macedonia). The Bulgarians from Eastern Thrace who are bigger in numbers in Eastern Bulgaria even from Macedonians, also have ancestry from Western Bulgaria (Samokov, Vardar Macedonia). But centuries of living with Armenians, Greeks and Jews made them a bit more exotic.

[pelikarski]

There are many people with Russian ancestry in Varna or Bourgas, much more than in my region for example. I know exactly 2 persons with Russian admixture and one with Armenian

[Archduke]

There are many people with Russian ancestry in Varna or Bourgas, much more than in my region for example. I know exactly 2 persons with Russian admixture and one with Armenian

Many people would mean 1/3 of the population. This is definitely not the case.

I lived in Burgas until recently and I had only one friend whose grandmother came from the former Soviet union (Chechen). Russians rarely interact with Bulgarians tbh. Even in the past, the mixed Russo-Bulgarian marriages appeared from hookups and the accidentally pregnant Russian woman.

Armenians usually marry with each other, mixed marriages are very rare also.

The only real admixture comes from Greeks because they are Orthodox and the Greeks who remained on the Black sea were Bulgarian wannabes. But I dont think that they were different from Bulgarians phenotypically.

[pelikarski]

Many people would mean 1/3 of the population. This is definitely not the case.

I lived in Burgas until recently and I had only one friend whose grandmother came from the former Soviet union (Chechen). Russians rarely interact with Bulgarians tbh. Even in the past, the mixed Russo-Bulgarian marriages appeared from hookups and the accidentally pregnant Russian woman.

Armenians usually marry with each other, mixed marriages are very rare also.

The only real admixture comes from Greeks because they are Orthodox and the Greeks who remained on the Black sea were Bulgarian wannabes. But I dont think that they were different from Bulgarians phenotypically.


I haven't been on our sea for about 7 years, but my friend from Burgas told me many Russians own a property 200 000? so my information maybe is wrong.

[Tauromachos]

Hahaha

Not Greek looking the vast majority of them

Even Greek Thracians look different

[Archduke]

I haven't been on our sea for about 7 years, but my friend from Burgas told me many Russians own a property 200 000? so my information maybe is wrong.

I am not sure if the number is that high , might be true. But I think most of them live in both Bulgaria and Russia and their social life is in Russia, not Bulgaria.

[Pribislav]

Hahaha

Not Greek looking the vast majority of them

Even Greek Thracians look different

DarknessWins would be dissapointed because of this. :) He often claim that Bulgarians are quite similar to Greeks.

[Lavrentis]

DarknessWins would be dissapointed because of this. :) He often claim that Bulgarians are quite similar to Greeks.

DarknessWin is from Florina. Florina is known as the most Slavic town in Greece. He might have Bulgarian ancestry, that’s why he claims that.

I don’t know how south Bulgarians look, but the people posted in this thread don’t look Greek, even northern Greek. They look Serbian to me.

[Archduke]

DarknessWins would be dissapointed because of this. :) He often claim that Bulgarians are quite similar to Greeks.

I guess that he concentrates on the Pontid-Alpine villagers with tan from the Thracian plane :)

[CommonSense]

Alpine, Gorid, Pontid, Baltid. That's what I see. Much more round-headed than Serbs, which was to be expected.

[Vojnik]

They are from my hometown https://www.google.bg/maps/place/%D0%94%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0/@43.1735484,19.9729075,7.29z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x14aae824073f9ac1:0x400a01269bf51 c0!8m2!3d42.2613275!4d23.1124424


They may have a bit more different look because it's a mountainous region. The Bulgarians from southernmost Bulgaria like Sandanski and Petrich are identical to Macedonians.

Agreed. Toa e Pirinska. ;)

[Krivich]

Some of them are similar to the depigmented Caucasatsions

[pelikarski]

Some of them are similar to the depigmented Caucasatsions

They also lack the Balto-Uralic vibe, many Russians pose

[Krivich]

They also lack the Balto-Uralic vibe, many Russians pose
What is the problem, and where are the Russians?

[Pribislav]

Alpine, Gorid, Pontid, Baltid. That's what I see. Much more round-headed than Serbs, which was to be expected.

Yes, but still less rounded than Bulgarians from eastern Bulgaria.

[pelikarski]

What is the problem, and where are the Russians?
No problem. I know you hate on Bulgarians
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=21386&dateline=1533687684&type=thumb

[Krivich]

Russians are to blame for the fact that you look like gypsies?

[pelikarski]

Russians are to blame for the fact that you look like gypsies?
You can help by sending more Russian brides, so we can get rid off our gypsy look

[Tauromachos]

DarknessWins would be dissapointed because of this. :) He often claim that Bulgarians are quite similar to Greeks.

There are indeed Bulgarian types and Fyromnians for that matter too who pass fine in Greece even in Islands but also alot of people who
look entirely different from anything Greek or types who pass only as atypical.

In these photos most people don't pass

But in real live i have also seen Bulgarians who pass well

[Pribislav]

From Plovdiv, they look very different from Serbs (rounded heads and alien vibe)
https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29683384_1506004042855213_6403415697774250867_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=5f353fa89d62739344903395d4522422&oe=5B9D48BF

[CommonSense]

How to recognize Bulgarian men: 90% of them have buzzcuts and bowling ball-shaped heads :)

[Tauromachos]

How to recognize Bulgarian men: 90% of them have buzzcuts and bowling ball-shaped heads :)

Yeah the seem rather bowl heads than squareheads

Their heads are compact but rather round or oval

[Archduke]

From Plovdiv, they look very different from Serbs (rounded heads and alien vibe)
https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29683384_1506004042855213_6403415697774250867_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=5f353fa89d62739344903395d4522422&oe=5B9D48BF

THe boys here are overweight and less attractive

[Vojnik]

From Plovdiv, they look very different from Serbs (rounded heads and alien vibe)
https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29683384_1506004042855213_6403415697774250867_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=5f353fa89d62739344903395d4522422&oe=5B9D48BF

Im sure you can find a better example from Plovdiv then that. Haha

[Tauromachos]

Im sure you can find a better example from Plovdiv then that. Haha

What would be a better example?

Post one!

[Pribislav]

THe boys here are overweight and less attractive

Girls from Plovdiv
https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29790097_1506006246188326_8395253549360625528_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=d23c49b8b3ad8499049077da65945106&oe=5B8B2607

[pelikarski]

What would be a better example?

Post one!

https://m.netinfo.bg/media/images/29384/29384012/640-420-germanskiiat-zhivot-na-edin-bylgarski-rom.jpg

[Krivich]

Girls from Plovdiv
https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29790097_1506006246188326_8395253549360625528_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=d23c49b8b3ad8499049077da65945106&oe=5B8B2607

Here they are like Uralics than gypsies. :D

[Tauromachos]

Girls from Plovdiv
https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29790097_1506006246188326_8395253549360625528_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=d23c49b8b3ad8499049077da65945106&oe=5B8B2607

Last one on the righthand side looks a bit like Stearsolina lol

[Coolguy1]

They look very Slavic. They dont look Greek at all.

[Bosniensis]

Here they are like Uralics than gypsies. :D

True they look like Uralics


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[Krivich]

https://m.netinfo.bg/media/images/29384/29384012/640-420-germanskiiat-zhivot-na-edin-bylgarski-rom.jpg
Do not deceive us, it's gypsy.

[Tauromachos]

https://m.netinfo.bg/media/images/29384/29384012/640-420-germanskiiat-zhivot-na-edin-bylgarski-rom.jpg


Hahaha :rotfl:

[Pribislav]

Last one on the righthand side looks a bit like Stearsolina lol

:)

Stearsolina probably thiknk that 90% of Bulgarian girls/women are Pontids or predominantly Pontids.

[Vojnik]

What would be a better example?

Post one!

To be honest, I don't have an example right now. It's just that those guys in that photo were all fat.

[Archduke]

Pictures from Burgas, the pics are from may so no foreigners or Bulgarians who are not from Burgas

https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32838655_1812232255523370_7575080952926306304_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=265996cba8e37da7b4f3af512fb947e3&oe=5BF9EBD5

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[Krivich]

True they look like Uralics


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The Baltids are mostly.

[Pribislav]

Pictures from Burgas, the pics are from may so no foreigners or Bulgarians who are not from Burgas

https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32838655_1812232255523370_7575080952926306304_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=265996cba8e37da7b4f3af512fb947e3&oe=5BF9EBD5

https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32886014_1812239205522675_3866823575587520512_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=1b0c95a7ab5d8435b177e0f76c80f184&oe=5BF2979A

https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32887345_1812238145522781_3245532998325501952_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=c8fb6b3919b2cb541146e769654200fc&oe=5C0B10BA

https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32946197_1812232065523389_4756427107792322560_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=00b86d9a19680fbab1a9ed979b83f904&oe=5C0687B2

https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32911365_1812235838856345_1086010728793505792_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=bd2fe06c514a129f3d3ceba1ff4b6f89&oe=5C0DDBC4

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In comparation with this samples people from western Bulgaria look pretty Serbian. These people from Burgas look very different from Serbs.

[Archduke]

In comparation with this samples people from western Bulgaria look pretty Serbian. These people from Burgas look very different from Serbs.

How do they look then

[Pribislav]

How do they look then

I think some of them look like Romanians, some like Greeks and some have unique Bulgarian look.

[Vojnik]

I strongly disagree that the people in the OP look like Serbs. They just look like what they are to me.

[Kivan]

Mainly Dinarids, Gorids, Neo-Danubians and some few Alpines, Pontids and Baltids.

[-Scar-]

DarknessWin is from Florina. Florina is known as the most Slavic town in Greece. He might have Bulgarian ancestry, that’s why he claims that.

I don’t know how south Bulgarians look, but the people posted in this thread don’t look Greek, even northern Greek. They look Serbian to me.

Florina was actually largely Slavic speaking till the last century.

[Vojnik]

Florina was actually largely Slavic speaking till the last century.

Edessa, Kastoria and Kilkis too.

[Tooting Carmen]

They look pretty much the same as Serbs.

[Pribislav]

They look pretty much the same as Serbs.

They look similar to Serbs from southern Serbia, but not as these Serbs
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?253937-Serbs-from-Western-Serbia
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?248218-Serbs-from-Banija-(main-phenotypes-and-where-they-can-fit)

[The Blade]

Atlanto-Meds, Norids, Dinarids, Alpinids, Atlantids, CMs, Sub-Nordids, minor Turanid element in 2 individuals.

[Aren]

Very similar to FYROM:ians, and quite far away from Greeks.

[Jana]

People will be suprised to hear this, but Some Bulgarians really resemble Hungarians . I don't know is it Suposed Bulgar-Magyar connection or something else, but it is there. Few faces in OP post I see among Hungarians, while some others look kind of Greek to me.

Overall, nice people. They are different from south west Slavs for most part, They look more Southern and more Eastern European at the same time

[vidin]

Those are Serbs with stronger Southern Influence, and some of them have that minor ancestral turan influence.

Western Bulgarians are Serbs.

Let's be frank, who is not? My neighbour once told me he would sell his kidney to be Serbian. We even have proverbs - regular like a Serbian watch.

[Seya]

they don't look like us. interesting

[pelikarski]

People will be suprised to hear this, but Some Bulgarians really resemble Hungarians . I don't know is it Suposed Bulgar-Magyar connection or something else, but it is there. Few faces in OP post I see among Hungarians, while some others look kind of Greek to me.

Overall, nice people. They are different from south west Slavs for most part, They look more Southern and more Eastern European at the same time
Most Bulgarians can pass as Hungarians.

[Pribislav]

They are different from south west Slavs for most part, They look more Southern and more Eastern European at the same time

:thumb001:

[pelikarski]

:thumb001:
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[pelikarski]

I don't know is it Suposed Bulgar-Magyar connection or something else,

The connection goes back to before Magyars settled in the Pannonian region and Bulgars around Danube as both populations migrated from the East. This connection split since Huns went to the Germanic cultural sphere and Bulgars to the Slavic one.
I have not much impression from Hungary, travelled transit, the country is all plains, notably less developed and poor in comparison to Austria, but still better than Bulgaria and Serbia.

Thought this Hungarian finds Bulgarians close to Hungarians.

Ruse (Rusze) seemed to be way more developed than Ghiorghiu, and Sofia was really nice with its discrete shine. The "Balkanic man-type" couldn't really be seen at all on people, or not any more than here, since Bulgarians seemed to have a very similar behaviour as Hungarians do, this is also a reason why I felt like at home over there.
https://forum.unilang.org/viewtopic.php?t=27718


The flag has the same colours as our one and I've already been to Bulgaria and it was a positive surprise, now you are also EU-members and also people seem to look more familiar to my Hungarian eyes than for example Romanians or Serbians.



Romanians look a bit like gipsies to me :-/ while in Bulgaria most people seemed like any other Central-European people.

https://forum.unilang.org/viewtopic.php?f=81&t=15039&start=80

[Finnish Swede]

Yes, I agree.
People from photos from western Bulgaria look quite more similar to Serbs than these people from northeastern Bulgaria. They look even different from Macedonians.

Do they differ a lot genetically or only phenotypes (if not the first, why the second?)

[Myanthropologies]

I don't understand how Sikeliot can group Greeks in with these people. I can understand that there are many simlarities between black sea Bulgarians and Greeks, but Western Bulgarians look completely slavic and lack the abundance of mediterranian phenotypes present in Greeks. Even Thracians don't look like these people.

[Pribislav]

Do they differ a lot genetically or only phenotypes (if not the first, why the second?)

Western Bulgarians have more I2a1b2a1 and R1a than eastern Bulgarians. They are more similar more to southwestern Slavs than eastern Bulgarians, and they have more central European types than eastern Bulgarians.

In northeastern Bulgaria there is a high % of some non-European branch of G haplogruop. That is a herige of Bulgars (proto-Bulgarians), they settled in present day northeastern Bulgaria. Turanid influence in Bulgaria is most common in norteastern Bulgaria, I have read anthropological researchs.

[Finnish Swede]

Western Bulgarians have more I2a1b2a1 and R1a than eastern Bulgarians. They are more similar more to southwestern Slavs than eastern Bulgarians, and they have more central European types than eastern Bulgarians.

In northeastern Bulgarian there is a high % of some non-European branch of G haplogruop. That is a herige of Bulgars (proto-Bulgarians), they settled in present day northeastern Bulgarian. Turanid infkuence in Bulgaria is most common in norteastern Bulgaria, I have read anthropological researchs.

Do you think it is right to be called them as a one ethnic?

[Pribislav]

Do you think it is right to be called them as a one ethnic?

They are one nation, of couse.

Northern Italians are more similar to French and southerm Italians look mostly like Greeks. But both of them are Italians.
Difference between western and eastern Bulgarians is not so huge like between southern and northern Italians.

[Moje ime]

Do you think it is right to be called them as a one ethnic?

One ethnicity can have many various haplogroups and diverse autosomal dna.

What makes them one ethnicity is language, history and culture that they have in common.

[Tony M]

Mongoloid influence very visible. Many of them look like these Bulgarians in this thread.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?255675-Classify-these-Bulgarian-men-from-the-work-of-the-Slovenian-anthropologist-Niko-%8Eupani&%23263;

[Finnish Swede]

One ethnicity can have many various haplogroups and diverse autosomal dna.

What makes them one ethnicity is language, history and culture that they have in common.

I think they should also be genetically close enough too.

Over all for me language, history, culture are less important factors than genetics .... then I determine who is who.

[Magnolia]

Vratsa (north-western Bulgaria)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WecM71LuCQ4
Pernik (western Bulgaria)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clAWY92pEHQ
These people look much more stereotypical Bulgarian than those you posted. I'm confused

[Moje ime]

I think they should also be genetically close enough too.

Over all for me language, history, culture are less important factors than genetics .... then I determine who is who.

Well you can't go now to west Bulgarians or any other ethnicity and say to them you are different genetically so they are not Bulgarians. It is personal feeling of belonging.

I'm sure native Sweden are diverse too. Do you have some Sweden/Scandinavian dna results or statistic?

[pelikarski]

Vratsa (north-western Bulgaria)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WecM71LuCQ4
Pernik (western Bulgaria)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clAWY92pEHQ
These people look much more stereotypical Bulgarian than those you posted. I'm confused

Of course a foreigner from Czech republic knows better than an ethnic Bulgarian what his population look like.
These people in the first video look completely normal, just under bad light, sweaty and unnusual movements + plus Gypsy singers.

Again from the same town. Regular Bulgarians

https://youtu.be/TeBulkw989M?t=59

[Magnolia]

Of course a foreigner from Czech republic knows better than an ethnic Bulgarian what his population look like.
These people in the first video look completely normal, just under bad light, sweaty and unnusual movements + plus Gypsy singers.

Again from the same town. Regular Bulgarians

https://youtu.be/TeBulkw989M?t=59

I think I have met few Bulgarians irl... and all of them looked "Balkanic"... definitely not blue eyes + blonde hair + very light skin... so yeah this video you posted is much closer to reality imo then the pictures you posted first, sorry. Of course you know better. But people I really feel sad when seeing everyone on this forum wants to make his nation to be seen as ultra white with blue eyes... but Europe is about diversity.

[pelikarski]

Well you can't go now to west Bulgarians or any other ethnicity and say to them you are different genetically so they are not Bulgarians. It is personal feeling of belonging.

I'm sure native Sweden are diverse too. Do you have some Sweden/Scandinavian dna results or statistic?


You are creating an artificial barrier between Western and Eastern Bulgarians. The same can relate to Serbs from Montenegro and Serbs from Vojvodina, Croats from Mostar and Croats from Zagreb, Bosniaks from Sarajevo and those from Sandzhak.
It's true lighter types from W.Bulgaria tend to resemble Slovaks, Czechs and other C. EE ethnicities, also true in East that there's a Turanid influence, some bulgars from these look exotic as well, and that the lighter types resemble more NE Europeans than Western Slavs.

Nothing more than that and a typical variation for a country that stretches more West-East than North-South.

[pelikarski]

I think I have met few Bulgarians irl... and all of them looked "Balkanic"... definitely not blue eyes + blonde hair + very light skin... so yeah this video you posted is much closer to reality imo then the pictures you posted first, sorry. Of course you know better. But people I really feel sad when seeing everyone on this forum wants to make his nation to be seen as ultra white with blue eyes... but Europe is about diversity.

Of course more Bulgarians have brown than blue eyes, also we have light skin and most of us look Balkanic. These people look like that also, it's not my fault they may resemble people from your ethnicity and you may feel uncomfortable because of it, since folks on anthrofora tend to woggify us.
People in Czech may equate Bulgarians with Gypsies and for them we're the same, don't care.

[pelikarski]

By the way if it's you on avatar, you can fit as Bulgarian girl pretty easy, sorry if it offends you

[Magnolia]

You are creating an artificial barrier between Western and Eastern Bulgarians. The same can relate to Serbs from Montenegro and Serbs from Vojvodina, Croats from Mostar and Croats from Zagreb, Bosniaks from Sarajevo and those from Sandzhak.
It's true lighter types from W.Bulgaria tend to resemble Slovaks, Czechs and other C. EE ethnicities, also true that there's a Turanid influence, some bulgars from these look exotic as well, and that the lighter types resemble more NE Europeans than Western Slavs.

Nothing more than that and a typical variation for a country that stretches more West-East than North-South.

Do they?
http://gympb.cz/wp-content/uploads/2017_18_3C_1-1-1030x704.jpg
http://gympb.cz/wp-content/uploads/2017_18_okt%C3%A1va_1-1-1030x704.jpg

[Magnolia]

By the way if it's you on avatar, you can fit as Bulgarian girl pretty easy, sorry if it offends you
I am under a dark filter... and I am very Czech looking... definitely nothing like a "Balkanic" looks.

[pelikarski]

Do they?
http://gympb. /wp-content/uploads/2017_18_3C_1-1-1030x704.jpg
http://gympb cz/wp-content/uploads/2017_18_okt%C3%A1va_1-1-1030x704.jpg

I said lighter types, and I am dark haired, but still can fit countries north of Romania.

As a whole they don't

For Krivich and from his Russian perspective these girls are brown, so maybe from Central-Northern POV we're

https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23415531_1978847475664991_7581687246919623124_o.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=b73b618ccad1276fa25c104a34016d1e&oe=5BFD838E
http://www.haskovo.net//images/news_images/2018/02/16/orig-75028347966400912.jpg
http://www.elsys-bg.org/web/files/richeditor/students//Students1.jpg
http://pmg-vd.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/teatyr6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LPNqNX3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rTV3SeJ.jpg
http://www.gpche-pravec.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/150546562259bb951606254.jpg

[Pribislav]

Burgas region vs. Sofia region y dna

Burgas region (eastern Bulgaria)
Sample 62
E1b - 26,4%
J2 - 17,7%
R1b - 17,7%
I2a - 15,6%
R1a - 11,1%
J1 - 6,6%
G2a - 4,4%

Sofia region (western Bulgaria)
Sample 256
I2a - 23%
E1b - 19%
R1a - 17,5%
J2 - 11%
R1b - 9,4%
G2a - 6,7%
I1 - 4,3%
J1 - 3,9%
I2b - 2,3%
C - 0,8%
T - 0,8%
N - 0,4%
Q - 0,4%
R2 - 0,4%

[Magnolia]

You don't understand me... I didn't want to insult you; I just said according to my experience those people you posted look nothing like Bulgarians I have met + there is nothing wrong with not being "ultra white" + I don't understand why so many people on TA wants to create an impression that their nation are "ultra white" - I have seen many nations on here to do it. Plus I never said Czechs are ultra white, we are not and I have no issue with that.

[Tony M]

I said lighter types, and I am dark haired, but still can fit countries north of Romania.

As a whole they don't

For Krivich and from his Russian perspective these girls are brown, so maybe from Central-Northern POV we're

https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23415531_1978847475664991_7581687246919623124_o.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=b73b618ccad1276fa25c104a34016d1e&oe=5BFD838E
http://www.haskovo.net//images/news_images/2018/02/16/orig-75028347966400912.jpg
http://www.elsys-bg.org/web/files/richeditor/students//Students1.jpg
http://pmg-vd.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/teatyr6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LPNqNX3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rTV3SeJ.jpg
http://www.gpche-pravec.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/150546562259bb951606254.jpg

They look like Slavic-Turkish mix in comparison with the Czechs. Asian influence very visible in many of them.

[pelikarski]

You don't understand me... I didn't want to insult you; I just said according to my experience those people you posted look nothing like Bulgarians I have met + there is nothing wrong with not being "ultra white" + I don't understand why so many people on TA wants to create an impression that their nation are "ultra white" - I have seen many nations on here to do it. Plus I never said Czechs are ultra white, we are not and I have no issue with that.

No you don't understand me, I said Bulgarians have more brown than blue eyed people and the overall look is Balkanic, that's not ultra white. Also they are under white filter like yours, if the pics were taken under bad light, they were sweaty and singing, they'd look totally normal and Balkanic.

[Pribislav]

Burgas region vs. Sofia region y dna

Burgas region (eastern Bulgaria)
Sample 62
E1b - 26,4%
J2 - 17,7%
R1b - 17,7%
I2a - 15,6%
R1a - 11,1%
J1 - 6,6%
G2a - 4,4%

Sofia region (western Bulgaria)
Sample 256
I2a - 23%
E1b - 19%
R1a - 17,5%
J2 - 11%
R1b - 9,4%
G2a - 6,7%
I1 - 4,3%
J1 - 3,9%
I2b - 2,3%
C - 0,8%
T - 0,8%
N - 0,4%
Q - 0,4%
R2 - 0,4%

Source s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/single/?p=3294044&t=8190687

Razgrad region (northeastern Bulgaria) 14,3% G2a!

[pelikarski]

They look like Slavic-Turkish mix in comparison with the Czechs. Asian influence very visible in many of them.

I agree. Good point

[Moje ime]

You are creating an artificial barrier between Western and Eastern Bulgarians. The same can relate to Serbs from Montenegro and Serbs from Vojvodina, Croats from Mostar and Croats from Zagreb, Bosniaks from Sarajevo and those from Sandzhak.
It's true lighter types from W.Bulgaria tend to resemble Slovaks, Czechs and other C. EE ethnicities, also true in East that there's a Turanid influence, some bulgars from these look exotic as well, and that the lighter types resemble more NE Europeans than Western Slavs.

Nothing more than that and a typical variation for a country that stretches more West-East than North-South.

I agree. Unnessesary exageeration of differences is how many civil wars begins.

[Jana]

They look like Slavic-Turkish mix in comparison with the Czechs. Asian influence very visible in many of them.

Asian influence in Bulgarians is from Bulgars, not Turks.
But genetically it is low in Bulgarian, nothing outside east Balkan standard.

The Overlap of Balkan people and Turks is because More than few Turks have Balkan ancestry, not the opposite. Even Balkan Turks are genetically Bulgarian/Romanian with dash of Turkic and Anatolian admixture.

[Pribislav]

Asian influence in Bulgarians is from Bulgars, not Turks.
But genetically it is low in Bulgarian, nothing outside east Balkan standard.

The Overlap of Balkan people and Turks is because More than few Turks have Balkan ancestry, not the opposite. Even Balkan Turks are genetically Bulgarian/Romanian with dash of Turkic and Anatolian admixture.

Bulgarians have minor Bulgar (Turkic) influence. Part of Turkic input among Bulgarians is from Cumans, they were present in medieval Bulgaria. Asen Dynasty was probably of Cuman origin. Cumans were significant part of Bulgarian nobility in 13th and 14th century.
Genetically Bulgarians are mostly paleo-Balkanites, and after that Slavs.
Vulgar Latin speaking people (aka Vlachs) were more numerous in Bulgaria in the middle age than Slavs. Second Bulgarian Empire is known as Bulgarian-Vlach Empire.

[pelikarski]

Bulgarians have minor Bulgar (Turkic) influence. Part of Turkic input among Bulgarians is from Cumans, they were present in medieval Bulgaria. Asen Dynasty was probably of Cuman origin. Cumans were significant part of Bulgarian nobility in 13th and 14th century.
Genetically Bulgarians are mostly paleo-Balkanites, and after that Slavs.
Vulgar Latin speaking people (aka Vlachs) were more numerous in Bulgaria in the middle age than Slavs. Second Bulgarian Empire is known as Bulgarian-Vlach Empire.

The Cumans were reported to have had blond hair, fair skin and blue eyes

[Pribislav]

OK, than light pigmented Bulgarians are descendsants of Turkic Cumans! :thumb001:

[Krivich]

They look like Slavic-Turkish mix in comparison with the Czechs. Asian influence very visible in many of them.
Romanians and Bulgarians are similar to Turks for one reason. Turks, Romanians and Bulgarians-South Eurasian Fund. This does not mean that Bulgarians or Romanians came from Asia. This means that the Turks absorbed a similar substrate in Anatolia, and initially have a Eurasian origin. The borders between Western Asia and southern Europe are very blurred. Eastern and North-Eastern Europeans - there is a North-Eurasian Fund. The story is similar to the West. They are Afro-European basis-Iberia. Races are very different from each other only at different poles of their stay. The Scandinavians are different from the blacks, the Chinese, the Spaniards, and so on. But between them the intermediate versions of the races. If people live near, means, between them there is something the General.

[Pribislav]

Bulgarian-Vlach Empire
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Bulgarian-Vlach_empire_since_primary_sources.png

[pelikarski]

OK, than light pigmented Bulgarians are descendsants of Turkic Cumans! :thumb001:

Ironically the most Vlachic part of Bulgaria is NW Bulgaria

Cumans had little input on Bulgarians

[pelikarski]

Good map. Bulgaria and Hungary should be neighborhoods and Serbs put in their Raska province

[pelikarski]

Romanians and Bulgarians are similar to Turks for one reason. Turks, Romanians and Bulgarians-South Eurasian Fund. This does not mean that Bulgarians or Romanians came from Asia. This means that the Turks absorbed a similar substrate in Anatolia, and initially have a Eurasian origin. The borders between Western Asia and southern Europe are very blurred. Eastern and North-Eastern Europeans - there is a North-Eurasian Fund. The story is similar to the West. They are Afro-European basis-Iberia. Races are very different from each other only at different poles of their stay. The Scandinavians are different from the blacks, the Chinese, the Spaniards, and so on. But between them the intermediate versions of the races. If people live near, means, between them there is something the General.

You wrote that under the influence of antifreeze, tovarich?

[Krivich]

Bulgarian-Vlach Empire

The ancient Bulgarians are the earliest Turkic-Speaking tribes who arrived in Europe. They dissolve in Europeans 100%, leaving no trace of DNA. When they settled in Bulgaria, it was already mostly European people on DNA and phenotype. Only the aristocracy maintained some ties with Asia. Same story with the Magyars. For example, the Gagauz are descendants of the Pechenegs, but their DNA is also European. Apparently even in the middle ages they were not like Asians.

[Pribislav]

Ironically the most Vlachic part of Bulgaria is NW Bulgaria

Cumans had little input on Bulgarians

In northwestern Bulgaria in Vidin region there is a still some non-bulgarized Vlachs. They are of same origin as Vlachs from Oltenia and eastern Serbia.
Many Vlachs were bulgarized in the middle age and some of them in 19th century after Bulgarian liberation from Ottomans.
In the middle age high concentration of Latin speaking Vlachs was in western Bulgaria and part of southeastern Serbia (around Vlasina lake, Bosilegrad, Caribrod, Pernik, Tran, Godech, Kyustendil...). Part of Vlachs from southestern Serbia and western Bulgaria were bulgarized and part of them migtated to present day Romania in the late middle age.
A lot of Vlach lived also in Rhodopes.
Most Slavic part of Bulgaria in the middle age probably was central and northern Bulgaria (plains).

[Krivich]

You wrote that under the influence of antifreeze, tovarich?
I only drink hawthorn "boyarishnik".
https://d.radikal.ru/d05/1808/8f/53907283663e.jpg (https://radikal.ru)

[pelikarski]

I only drink hawthorn "boyarishnik".
https://d.radikal.ru/d05/1808/8f/53907283663e.jpg (https://radikal.ru)
Normal for a country that has a tradition in using substituents for Alcohol

[pelikarski]

In northwestern Bulgaria in Vidin region there is a still some non-bulgarized Vlachs. They are of same origin as Vlachs from Oltenia and eastern Serbia.
Many Vlachs were bulgarized in the middle age and some of them in 19th century after Bulgarian liberation from Ottomans.
In the middle age high concentration of Latin speaking Vlachs was in western Bulgaria and part of southeastern Serbia (around Vlasina lake, Bosilegrad, Caribrod, Pernik, Tran, Godech, Kyustendil...). Part of Vlachs from southestern Serbia and western Bulgaria were bulgarized and part of them migtated to present day Romania in the late middle age.
A lot of Vlach lived also in Rhodopes.
Most Slavic part of Bulgaria in the middle age probably was central and northern Bulgaria (plains).

The Vlachs from Western Bulgaria are called Aromanian, they are highlanders and having livestock.

[Tooting Carmen]

Sikeliot in particular, but some others as well, do tend to overstate the overlap between Bulgarians and Greeks. I think Bulgarians are marginally darker and less Central Euro-shifted than Serbs, but still considerably lighter and less Mediterranean than Albanians, Greeks, Central/Southern Italians and Iberians.

[pelikarski]

Greek users underestimate any similarities between the two countries, on the contrary.

[Tooting Carmen]

Greek users underestimate any similarities between the two countries, on the contrary.

What proportion of Greeks would you estimate pass well in Bulgaria then? And are the differences primarily to do with pigmentation or facial features?

[Ülev]

I only drink hawthorn "boyarishnik".
https://d.radikal.ru/d05/1808/8f/53907283663e.jpg (https://radikal.ru)


https://youtu.be/PNN5lbfrfGY

[pelikarski]

What proportion of Greeks would you estimate pass well in Bulgaria then? And are the differences primarily to do with pigmentation or facial features?

Most mainland Greeks can fit, "well", if we define it as typical, not many

[CommonSense]

I am under a dark filter... and I am very Czech looking... definitely nothing like a "Balkanic" looks.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?253478-Classify-Serbian-journalist

[Pribislav]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?253478-Classify-Serbian-journalist

:)

:thumb001:

[Pribislav]

I think Bulgarians are marginally darker and less Central Euro-shifted than Serbs, but still considerably lighter and less Mediterranean than Albanians, Greeks, Central/Southern Italians and Iberians.

I agree with this.

People which claim that Bulgarians are same or similar in pigmentation as Albanians or even as Greeks are fools. If they visit Sofia they will change opinion. Bulgarians are visible lighter on average than Albanians and Greeks.

[Pribislav]

..

[Pribislav]

Good map. Bulgaria and Hungary should be neighborhoods and Serbs put in their Raska province

:clap:

https://beograd365.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Karta-Dusanovog-carstva-dnevne-600x543.jpg

[Archduke]

:clap:

https://beograd365.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Karta-Dusanovog-carstva-dnevne-600x543.jpg

http://www.vestnikataka.bg/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/27.jpg

[Pribislav]

http://www.vestnikataka.bg/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/27.jpg

Хан Ацо is that you?

[pelikarski]

Sikeliot in particular, but some others as well, do tend to overstate the overlap between Bulgarians and Greeks. I think Bulgarians are marginally darker and less Central Euro-shifted than Serbs, but still considerably lighter and less Mediterranean than Albanians, Greeks, Central/Southern Italians and Iberians.

I agree with this.

People which claim that Bulgarians are same or similar in pigmentation as Albanians or even as Greeks are fools. If they visit Sofia they will change opinion. Bulgarians are visible lighter on average than Albanians and Greeks.
Bulgaria may have more swarthy vibe because its more multi-cultural, whereas our minorities are of non-european origin, with the exceptions of Russians and Greeks, not a significant ones, in Yugoslavia there were traditional minorities of Hungariaans, Slovaks, Germans and so on

[Pribislav]

Bulgaria may have more swarthy vibe because its more multi-cultural, whereas our minorities are of non-european origin, with the exceptions of Russians, not a significant ones, in Yugoslavia there were traditional minorities of Hungariaans, Slovaks, Germans and so on

Germans gone from Yugoslavia after WW2, most of them were in Vojvodina (350 000 of 450 000 in whole Yugoslavia).