British people: genetically closer to Russians or closer to Iberians?

[cyberlorian]

Please discuss.

[Myanthropologies]

Russians, by far

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af183/EliasAlucard/Genomics/West_Eurasian_ancient_DNA_PCA_plot.png~original

[Agyullámtörő]

British = germanized celts
Spaniards = romanized celts
http://i.imgur.com/GLL0M9y.png

[michal3141]

In terms of autosomal DNA slightly more closer to Spanish populations (comparing English):

> getMonte('spanish_russian.txt', 'english.txt')
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Spanish_Pais_Vasco Spanish_Cataluna
6.584718 6.596423
Spanish_Cantabria Spanish_Valencia
6.712558 6.973866
Spanish_Aragon Spanish_Baleares
6.974450 7.011716
Basque_Spanish Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
7.231609 7.257469
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha Spanish_Galicia
7.300779 7.588122
Spanish_Andalucia Russian_Voronez
7.659161 7.673761
Russian_Orel Spanish_Murcia
7.709806 7.780990
Spanish_Extremadura Russian_Kursk
7.791194 7.939428
Russian_Smolensk Russian_Tver
7.943461 8.412617
Russian_Kostroma Spanish_Canarias
9.060343 10.071690
Russian_Pinega
11.496717

Compared to Southern Spaniards (Spanish_Andalucia, Spanish_Murcia) the distance is almost the same as to Slavic Russian populations (Russian_Voronez, Russian_Orel, Russian_Kursk).

EDIT: This is based on Davidski's Global 25 coordinates.

[Krivich]

All Germans and Western Europeans are closer to the Spanish than to the Slavs. Apparently, the Iberian admixture is what distinguishes Western Europe from the East.
https://d.radikal.ru/d13/1808/d5/17db33ecda8f.jpg (https://radikal.ru)

[cyberlorian]

All Germans and Western Europeans are closer to the Spanish than to the Slavs. Apparently, the Iberian admixture is what distinguishes Western Europe from the East.
https://d.radikal.ru/d13/1808/d5/17db33ecda8f.jpg (https://radikal.ru)

Cristiano Viejo will like that. :D

[Bellbeaking]

English are roughly equal maybe slightly closer to northern Spanish regions (except basques). The Irish, Welsh and Scottish and Northern England are all closer to Russia

[Septentrion]

Please discuss.

Take a look genetic distance, as they far away from both groups genetically.

[Petalpusher]

They are closer to Spain mostly because Russians have that more or less significant drift eastwards due to various E.Eurasian type of admixtures. In the same way they would be closer to southern Scandinavians than say North Swedes.

[Flashball]

Not everything works in terms of "who is closer to whom?" ', Because sometimes populations are equidistant.

This is the limit of the comparison with limited data.

It's like taking an ancient Egyptian sample and comparing it to a Venetian and Sub-Saharan sample, then saying: the ancient Egyptian sample is closer to the Venetian than to the Sub-Saharan!

Yes, if we only limit ourselves to two samples of populations...

[Ayetooey]

Closer to Spaniards in +1 pops, closer to Russians in terms of ancient components and in reality closer Balto-slavic drift aside. Distant from both and silly comparison.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

To Iberia I guess, the closest regions of Russia are after Iberia and Russia as whole probably even more. I guess Germany would be somewhat harder. East Germany I bet its Russia.

[Not a Cop]

They are closer to Spain mostly because Russians have that more or less significant drift eastwards due to various E.Eurasian type of admixtures. In the same way they would be closer to southern Scandinavians than say North Swedes.

Well, there are whole regions of Russia which are free of or have ~1% E. Eurasian, in Western and SW parts.

[Alexandro]

British = germanized celts
Spaniards = romanized celts
http://i.imgur.com/GLL0M9y.png

+1

[Leto]

Well, there are whole regions of Russia which are free of or have ~1% E. Eurasian, in Western and SW parts.
1% is extremely rare. Zero is virtually unheard of. I do have seen people with barely 1% but I don't know their detailed ancestry and they were just a handful out of hundreds I've seen over the years (I believe I started exploring Gedmatch about 4 years ago).

[slaog]

Closer to Spain I would think.

[Not a Cop]

1% is extremely rare. Zero is virtually unheard of. I did have seen people with barely 1% but I don't know their detailed ancestry and they were just a handful out of hundreds I've seen over the years (I believe I started exploring Gedmatch about 4 years ago).

Well, it depends on what calculator you're using. Best tool is ANE K7 in my opinion, and there is loads of Russians with 0-1% East Eurasian in Kursk, Belgorod, Smolensk regions.

Belgorod f.e:

ANE 18.47 Pct
ASE 3.58 Pct
WHG-UHG 66.73 Pct
East_Eurasian 0.39 Pct
West_African 0.21 Pct
East_African 1.29 Pct
ENF 9.34 Pct

Population
ANE 18.86 Pct
ASE 3.35 Pct
WHG-UHG 64.88 Pct
East_Eurasian 1.08 Pct
West_African -
East_African 0.95 Pct
ENF 10.88 Pct

My grandma (1\4 Polish-Lithuanian)

Population
ANE 18.86 Pct
ASE 3.35 Pct
WHG-UHG 64.88 Pct
East_Eurasian 1.08 Pct
West_African -
East_African 0.95 Pct
ENF 10.88 Pct

[Not a Cop]

1% is extremely rare. Zero is virtually unheard of. I did have seen people with barely 1% but I don't know their detailed ancestry and they were just a handful out of hundreds I've seen over the years (I believe I started exploring Gedmatch about 4 years ago).

Well, it depends on what calculator you're using. Best tool is ANE K7 in my opinion, and there is loads of Russians with 0-1% East Eurasian in Kursk, Belgorod, Smolensk regions.

Belgorod f.e:

ANE 18.47 Pct
ASE 3.58 Pct
WHG-UHG 66.73 Pct
East_Eurasian 0.39 Pct
West_African 0.21 Pct
East_African 1.29 Pct
ENF 9.34 Pct

Population
ANE 18.86 Pct
ASE 3.35 Pct
WHG-UHG 64.88 Pct
East_Eurasian 1.08 Pct
West_African -
East_African 0.95 Pct
ENF 10.88 Pct

My grandma (1\4 Polish-Lithuanian)

Population
ANE 18.86 Pct
ASE 3.35 Pct
WHG-UHG 64.88 Pct
East_Eurasian 1.08 Pct
West_African -
East_African 0.95 Pct
ENF 10.88 Pct

[Leto]

Well, it depends on what calculator you're using. Best tool is ANE K7 in my opinion, and there is loads of Russians with 0-1% East Eurasian in Kursk, Belgorod, Smolensk regions.

I disagree and don't use K7. I use Dodecad K12b. Siberian/East_Asian/Southeast_Asian are the three Mongoloid components.

I usually don't make wild claims about other nations but when it comes to us (yes, I do include Ukraine and Belarus as historically Russian lands) there is no one like me on this site and possibly on any other site. I've seen well over a thousand results over the years and keep getting new ones here and then.

[Leto]

K13

Distance to: Spanish_Valencia
23.48394132 English_Southeast
23.75555724 English_Southwest
23.92723553 English_Midlands
24.07682703 English
25.13109429 English_North
45.14477489 Russian_Southwest
45.68925475 Russian_Smolensk
45.98333611 Russian_average
47.95166733 Russian_Kostroma
48.17627424 Russian_Kargopol
49.66609810 Russian_Northern_Dvina

Distance to: Spanish_Murcia
23.42655971 English_Southeast
23.74745249 English_Southwest
23.89913806 English_Midlands
24.03260286 English
25.09080907 English_North
45.36498760 Russian_Southwest
45.95825497 Russian_Smolensk
46.17211713 Russian_average
48.06390538 Russian_Kostroma
48.32603646 Russian_Kargopol
49.74120123 Russian_Northern_Dvina

Distance to: Spanish_Galicia
21.81380297 English_Southeast
22.17003383 English_Southwest
22.31108917 English_Midlands
22.44860575 English
23.50699896 English_North
42.27539237 Russian_Southwest
42.68530075 Russian_Smolensk
42.93614212 Russian_average
44.95921151 Russian_Kostroma
45.07841279 Russian_Kargopol
46.60204931 Russian_Northern_Dvina

Distance to: Spanish_Extremadura
24.05123905 English_Southeast
24.40698875 English_Southwest
24.55143173 English_Midlands
24.68463085 English
25.75689616 English_North
44.67869627 Russian_Southwest
45.28037986 Russian_Smolensk
45.50080878 Russian_average
47.50159787 Russian_Kostroma
47.65728696 Russian_Kargopol
49.21623208 Russian_Northern_Dvina

Distance to: Spanish_Cataluna
20.26876908 English_Southeast
20.55441072 English_Southwest
20.71755053 English_Midlands
20.86738843 English
21.93255115 English_North
42.93599655 Russian_Southwest
43.36623687 Russian_Smolensk
43.72726495 Russian_average
45.65996824 Russian_Kostroma
45.92289734 Russian_Kargopol
47.33722637 Russian_Northern_Dvina

Distance to: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
21.56894527 English_Southeast
21.84358945 English_Southwest
22.02136009 English_Midlands
22.15504232 English
23.19856030 English_North
43.88584510 Russian_Southwest
44.28102189 Russian_Smolensk
44.60940148 Russian_average
46.55229425 Russian_Kostroma
46.79525296 Russian_Kargopol
48.19051981 Russian_Northern_Dvina

Distance to: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
23.53946473 English_Southeast
23.67744496 English_Southwest
23.93279549 English_Midlands
24.06519271 English
25.08649836 English_North
46.25026054 Russian_Southwest
46.64043417 Russian_Smolensk
46.91424411 Russian_average
48.92130109 Russian_Kostroma
49.05622387 Russian_Kargopol
50.53289622 Russian_Northern_Dvina

Distance to: Spanish_Cantabria
22.02907397 English_Southeast
22.05449841 English_Southwest
22.36654645 English_Midlands
22.50171105 English
23.48121590 English_North
44.93770021 Russian_Southwest
45.10977943 Russian_Smolensk
45.41532120 Russian_average
47.48422264 Russian_Kostroma
47.55362447 Russian_Kargopol
49.00525788 Russian_Northern_Dvina

Distance to: Spanish_Aragon
24.25970940 English_Southwest
24.31206491 English_Southeast
24.61022145 English_Midlands
24.73079053 English
25.67739667 English_North
48.69999692 Russian_Southwest
48.93091661 Russian_Smolensk
49.24441085 Russian_average
51.21916243 Russian_Kostroma
51.37810429 Russian_Kargopol
52.73422323 Russian_Northern_Dvina

Distance to: Spanish_Andalucia
25.73139133 English_Southeast
25.96986908 English_Southwest
26.16710148 English_Midlands
26.31029076 English
27.36918157 English_North
46.96802636 Russian_Southwest
47.61473721 Russian_Smolensk
47.75612631 Russian_average
49.76512032 Russian_Kostroma
49.87389498 Russian_Kargopol
51.45688778 Russian_Northern_Dvina

[Leto]

What the hell is "ASE"? Close to 4% in those Russian samples. I bet it's some type of East Eurasian. So I don't even bother with that run.

A Han Chinese from Beijing

Kit number: ZY1874649

Population
ANE 3.34 Pct
ASE 15.12 Pct
WHG-UHG -
East_Eurasian 79.72 Pct
West_African -
East_African 0.46 Pct
ENF 1.36 Pct

No way a Northern Han can be only 80% East Eurasian. Obviously they are virtually 100% EE. Even Davidski uses them as a generic Mongoloid component.

The same sample run through Dod K12b

Gedrosia 0.6 Pct
Siberian 7.14 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 25.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 0.4 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.1 Pct
East_Asian 66.44 Pct
Caucasus -
Sub_Saharan 0.17 Pct

Basically 99% Sib/EA/SEA aka Mongoloid.

[Petalpusher]

Well, there are whole regions of Russia which are free of or have ~1% E. Eurasian, in Western and SW parts.

I can believe that for the westernmost regions, and likely not too north either indeed. However in K7, ASE has some real East Eurasian in it (different peak than ancient south eurasian used elsewhere).


ASE top 3 peaks
Malay 59.1
Cambodian 52
Dai 40

So it's not like an Australoid/Papuan/Onge ASE (hopefully if you score 3%) but stuff pred of the East Eurasian/ENA branch.

[Roy]

Probably to Spanish people a little bit.

[oszkar07]

On average I would say Closer to Spain via Celtic type backgrounds.
I imagine the Moor input in southern Spain would place British maybe at further distance from Southern Spain.

[Roy]

On average I would say Closer to Spain via Celtic type backgrounds.
I imagine the Moor input in southern Spain would place British maybe at further distance from Southern Spain.

The Moors though have hardly any genetic influence in Spain though, as it's already confirmed. Their North African admixture is much older.

[Mantuano]

Iberians by a decent margin. This is not necesarily due some common "celtic" ancestry, this is because russians lack of Megalithic and Bell Beaker ancestry that iberians and the britons have, of course not entirely common, but related.