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Nazarene
08-17-2018, 11:38 AM
If you want here is a background on my origins:

I am an Arabic-speaking Assyrian (Protestants formerly Syriac Orthodox) from Mosul (Maslawi). As far as I know, all 16 of my great-great grandparents were born in the old town of Mosul, (in modern-day Iraq). The furthest I can trace back is the late 1700s, and I assume based on some research that my family was living in Mosul for maybe 100-200 years more than that. Prior to that, based on urbanization records I believe that most of my ancestors were migrants from the surrounding Syriac Christian villages in the Nineveh Plains. The only links I have outside of Mosul are possible connections to Turkey, most likely Syriac Orthodox from the city of Mardin and there might be some link to the Armenians living in Mosul city aswell. All in all, my family history is deeply rooted in Mosul and it's culture.

My Ancestry DNA results were pretty much as I expected, and I am currently waiting for my Gedmatch to complete batch processsing. Hope you find this interesting, thanks!

79241

Anglojew
08-17-2018, 01:40 PM
Thanks, I'd be interested in your results. Did you do 23andme?

Aren
08-17-2018, 02:30 PM
If you want here is a background on my origins:

I am an Arabic-speaking Assyrian (Protestants formerly Syriac Orthodox) from Mosul (Maslawi). As far as I know, all 16 of my great-great grandparents were born in the old town of Mosul, (in modern-day Iraq). The furthest I can trace back is the late 1700s, and I assume based on some research that my family was living in Mosul for maybe 100-200 years more than that. Prior to that, based on urbanization records I believe that most of my ancestors were migrants from the surrounding Syriac Christian villages in the Nineveh Plains. The only links I have outside of Mosul are possible connections to Turkey, most likely Syriac Orthodox from the city of Mardin and there might be some link to the Armenians living in Mosul city aswell. All in all, my family history is deeply rooted in Mosul and it's culture.

My Ancestry DNA results were pretty much as I expected, and I am currently waiting for my Gedmatch to complete batch processsing. Hope you find this interesting, thanks!

79241

Very typical results. I score slightly more Caucasus and Middle Eastern than you and lower Europe South, but the same Ashkenazi Jewish.
Btw you don't have to wait for it to batch you can run your kit through the calculators. I would start with Eurogenes K13/K15.

Nazarene
08-18-2018, 12:54 AM
Thanks, I'd be interested in your results. Did you do 23andme?

No sorry, have only tested with Ancestry

Aren
08-18-2018, 12:58 AM
Btw to find out your Y-DNA
https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

Nazarene
08-18-2018, 01:05 AM
Kit number for gedmatch is A....... if you want to run it through some calcs, or you can ask me to put it through i dont mind

Here's my K13,

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.86
2 West_Asian 34.46
3 West_Med 13.27
4 Red_Sea 7.88
5 South_Asian 4.57
6 Baltic 1.26
7 Amerindian 1.04
8 Northeast_African 0.54
9 East_Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian_Jewish 3.72
2 Assyrian 3.82
3 Armenian 5.73
4 Kurdish_Jewish 6.81
5 Iranian_Jewish 7.6
6 Turkish 11.31
7 Kurdish 11.53
8 Lebanese_Muslim 11.63
9 Azeri 11.9
10 Iranian 12.61
11 Syrian 13.23
12 Cyprian 15.41
13 Lebanese_Christian 15.97
14 Lebanese_Druze 16.34
15 Samaritan 17.42
16 Jordanian 17.8
17 Palestinian 19.42
18 Georgian 21.33
19 Abhkasian 22.35
20 Kumyk 22.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.3% Assyrian + 33.7% Armenian @ 2.86
2 55.4% Armenian + 44.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.88
3 90% Assyrian + 10% Georgian @ 3.01
4 90.5% Assyrian + 9.5% Abhkasian @ 3.02
5 94.7% Assyrian + 5.3% Brahui @ 3.06
6 51.9% Georgian_Jewish + 48.1% Assyrian @ 3.06
7 94.8% Assyrian + 5.2% Balochi @ 3.08
8 87.9% Armenian + 12.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.09
9 96.2% Georgian_Jewish + 3.8% Sardinian @ 3.09
10 94.2% Assyrian + 5.8% Makrani @ 3.12
11 78.1% Armenian + 21.9% Samaritan @ 3.13
12 59.1% Armenian + 40.9% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.15
13 88.5% Georgian_Jewish + 11.5% Cyprian @ 3.16
14 90% Georgian_Jewish + 10% Samaritan @ 3.19
15 92.6% Assyrian + 7.4% Ossetian @ 3.2
16 86% Georgian_Jewish + 14% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.24
17 87.7% Georgian_Jewish + 12.3% Syrian @ 3.25
18 92.9% Georgian_Jewish + 7.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.26
19 76.8% Armenian + 23.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.26
20 89.7% Georgian_Jewish + 10.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.26

My K15

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.67
2 West_Asian 31.75
3 West_Med 9.57
4 Red_Sea 7.89
5 South_Asian 4.64
6 Eastern_Euro 4.38
7 Baltic 2.05
8 Amerindian 0.59
9 Northeast_African 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 4.42
2 Georgian_Jewish 5.57
3 Iranian_Jewish 7.27
4 Kurdish_Jewish 7.29
5 Armenian 7.8
6 Kurdish 10.27
7 Lebanese_Muslim 10.93
8 Iranian 11.83
9 Turkish 12.03
10 Azeri 12.09
11 Syrian 12.73
12 Cyprian 14.25
13 Lebanese_Christian 14.26
14 Lebanese_Druze 15.75
15 Samaritan 16.38
16 Jordanian 17.76
17 Palestinian 19.03
18 Tunisian_Jewish 21.41
19 Sephardic_Jewish 21.96
20 Bedouin 22.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.5% Assyrian + 2.5% MA-1 @ 4.13
2 96.9% Assyrian + 3.1% Burusho @ 4.14
3 96.7% Assyrian + 3.3% Kalash @ 4.15
4 95.8% Assyrian + 4.2% Brahui @ 4.16
5 95.8% Assyrian + 4.2% Balochi @ 4.16
6 52.6% Iranian_Jewish + 47.4% Armenian @ 4.17
7 95.6% Assyrian + 4.4% Makrani @ 4.19
8 97% Assyrian + 3% Pathan @ 4.19
9 97.4% Assyrian + 2.6% Sindhi @ 4.22
10 96.7% Assyrian + 3.3% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.24
11 97.7% Assyrian + 2.3% Punjabi_Jat @ 4.25
12 62.1% Georgian_Jewish + 37.9% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.25
13 75.3% Assyrian + 24.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.25
14 83.2% Kurdish_Jewish + 16.8% Balkar @ 4.26
15 62.3% Georgian_Jewish + 37.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.26
16 98.2% Assyrian + 1.8% Kshatriya @ 4.27
17 98.2% Assyrian + 1.8% Gujarati @ 4.27
18 90.7% Assyrian + 9.3% Iranian @ 4.27
19 89.3% Assyrian + 10.7% Kurdish @ 4.27
20 82.5% Kurdish_Jewish + 17.5% Adygei @ 4.27

Aren
08-18-2018, 01:13 AM
Here's my K13,

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.86
2 West_Asian 34.46
3 West_Med 13.27
4 Red_Sea 7.88
5 South_Asian 4.57
6 Baltic 1.26
7 Amerindian 1.04
8 Northeast_African 0.54
9 East_Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian_Jewish 3.72
2 Assyrian 3.82
3 Armenian 5.73
4 Kurdish_Jewish 6.81
5 Iranian_Jewish 7.6
6 Turkish 11.31
7 Kurdish 11.53
8 Lebanese_Muslim 11.63
9 Azeri 11.9
10 Iranian 12.61
11 Syrian 13.23
12 Cyprian 15.41
13 Lebanese_Christian 15.97
14 Lebanese_Druze 16.34
15 Samaritan 17.42
16 Jordanian 17.8
17 Palestinian 19.42
18 Georgian 21.33
19 Abhkasian 22.35
20 Kumyk 22.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.3% Assyrian + 33.7% Armenian @ 2.86
2 55.4% Armenian + 44.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.88
3 90% Assyrian + 10% Georgian @ 3.01
4 90.5% Assyrian + 9.5% Abhkasian @ 3.02
5 94.7% Assyrian + 5.3% Brahui @ 3.06
6 51.9% Georgian_Jewish + 48.1% Assyrian @ 3.06
7 94.8% Assyrian + 5.2% Balochi @ 3.08
8 87.9% Armenian + 12.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.09
9 96.2% Georgian_Jewish + 3.8% Sardinian @ 3.09
10 94.2% Assyrian + 5.8% Makrani @ 3.12
11 78.1% Armenian + 21.9% Samaritan @ 3.13
12 59.1% Armenian + 40.9% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.15
13 88.5% Georgian_Jewish + 11.5% Cyprian @ 3.16
14 90% Georgian_Jewish + 10% Samaritan @ 3.19
15 92.6% Assyrian + 7.4% Ossetian @ 3.2
16 86% Georgian_Jewish + 14% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.24
17 87.7% Georgian_Jewish + 12.3% Syrian @ 3.25
18 92.9% Georgian_Jewish + 7.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.26
19 76.8% Armenian + 23.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.26
20 89.7% Georgian_Jewish + 10.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.26

My K15

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.67
2 West_Asian 31.75
3 West_Med 9.57
4 Red_Sea 7.89
5 South_Asian 4.64
6 Eastern_Euro 4.38
7 Baltic 2.05
8 Amerindian 0.59
9 Northeast_African 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 4.42
2 Georgian_Jewish 5.57
3 Iranian_Jewish 7.27
4 Kurdish_Jewish 7.29
5 Armenian 7.8
6 Kurdish 10.27
7 Lebanese_Muslim 10.93
8 Iranian 11.83
9 Turkish 12.03
10 Azeri 12.09
11 Syrian 12.73
12 Cyprian 14.25
13 Lebanese_Christian 14.26
14 Lebanese_Druze 15.75
15 Samaritan 16.38
16 Jordanian 17.76
17 Palestinian 19.03
18 Tunisian_Jewish 21.41
19 Sephardic_Jewish 21.96
20 Bedouin 22.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.5% Assyrian + 2.5% MA-1 @ 4.13
2 96.9% Assyrian + 3.1% Burusho @ 4.14
3 96.7% Assyrian + 3.3% Kalash @ 4.15
4 95.8% Assyrian + 4.2% Brahui @ 4.16
5 95.8% Assyrian + 4.2% Balochi @ 4.16
6 52.6% Iranian_Jewish + 47.4% Armenian @ 4.17
7 95.6% Assyrian + 4.4% Makrani @ 4.19
8 97% Assyrian + 3% Pathan @ 4.19
9 97.4% Assyrian + 2.6% Sindhi @ 4.22
10 96.7% Assyrian + 3.3% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.24
11 97.7% Assyrian + 2.3% Punjabi_Jat @ 4.25
12 62.1% Georgian_Jewish + 37.9% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.25
13 75.3% Assyrian + 24.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.25
14 83.2% Kurdish_Jewish + 16.8% Balkar @ 4.26
15 62.3% Georgian_Jewish + 37.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.26
16 98.2% Assyrian + 1.8% Kshatriya @ 4.27
17 98.2% Assyrian + 1.8% Gujarati @ 4.27
18 90.7% Assyrian + 9.3% Iranian @ 4.27
19 89.3% Assyrian + 10.7% Kurdish @ 4.27
20 82.5% Kurdish_Jewish + 17.5% Adygei @ 4.27

Yeah, forget about a Levantine pull you look very similar to other non-Maslawi Assyrians, basically well within the range of the Assyrian variation.
You even score less Red Sea and East Med than most Hakkari and Urmi Assyrians I've seen actually.
It just shows how individual variation is far greater than the regional one when it comes to us Assyrians.

Btw you have a decent amount of people who you share 25+ cM on Gedmatch, most seem to be Northern Iraqi Assyrians belonging to the Syriac Orthodox or Syriac Catholic Church. Maybe most are Maslawi Assyrians?

Nazarene
08-18-2018, 01:26 AM
Yeah, forget about a Levantine pull you look very similar to other non-Maslawi Assyrians, basically well within the range of the Assyrian variation.
You even score less Red Sea and East Med than most Hakkari and Urmi Assyrians I've seen actually.
It just shows how individual variation is far greater than the regional one when it comes to us Assyrians.

Btw you have a decent amount of people who you share 25+ cM on Gedmatch, most seem to be Northern Iraqi Assyrians belonging to the Syriac Orthodox or Syriac Catholic Church. Maybe most are Maslawi Assyrians?

Agree with you that it does seem to come down to the invididual, and yes it does seem like I am levantine shifted, my dad on the other hand was closer to iranian/kuridsh/turkish populations.

Yeah I was so surprised that I have so many somewhat close relatives on gedmatch. You're perfectly right in saying that the majority are Maslawi Assyrians belonging to the jacobite churches and it makes complete sense ofc. Some of them are from the Nineveh Plains aswell as I checked IQProject Map lmao and a few indivdiuals belong to the Church of the East as well.

Hadouken
08-18-2018, 01:36 AM
@shelati and @Aren could you guys post your results too please

Aren
08-18-2018, 01:39 AM
Agree with you that it does seem to come down to the invididual, and yes it does seem like I am levantine shifted, my dad on the other hand was closer to iranian/kuridsh/turkish populations.

Yeah I was so surprised that I have so many somewhat close relatives on gedmatch. You're perfectly right in saying that the majority are Maslawi Assyrians belonging to the jacobite churches and it makes complete sense ofc. Some of them are from the Nineveh Plains aswell as I checked IQProject Map lmao and a few indivdiuals belong to the Church of the East as well.

The other way around though? You and your dad seem to be scoring quite similar but you have more West Med and he has more East Med.
I had no idea so many Maslawi Assyrians had gotten tested, I just assumed they were from Baghdede, Baretle or other Syriac towns.
But they seem all basically identical to other Assyrians. No surprise.
I can't see any real Armenian matches, and there are a lot, a lot of Armenians who have uploaded to Gedmatch.

Btw where did you get a map of the Iraqi Project members?

Aren
08-18-2018, 01:45 AM
@shelati and @Aren could you guys post your results too please

I deleted my kit some time ago, but I posted my old 23andme v5 results somewhere here.
Shelati actually scores almost identical to Nazarene. I have his results but I'll let him post it himself.

Nazarene
08-18-2018, 01:48 AM
The other way around though? You and your dad seem to be scoring quite similar but you have more West Med and he has more East Med.
I had no idea so many Maslawi Assyrians had gotten tested, I just assumed they were from Baghdede, Baretle or other Syriac towns.
But they seem all basically identical to other Assyrians. No surprise.
I can't see any real Armenian matches, and there are a lot, a lot of Armenians who have uploaded to Gedmatch.

Btw where did you get a map of the Iraqi Project members?

Oh I could be wrong but I know that he scored more Caucasus and Middle Eastern than me while I scored more Southern Europe and Ashkenazi Jewish. Some of the names don't tell you much, but at least 5-10 of them can be confirmed as Maslawi Assyrians. Yeah haahaha, try telling them that we are identical. The Armenian could have been just due to family friendships, I might not have any in my lineage.

Here's the map.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Iraq?iframe=ymap

Btw bro, I doubt this but did I come up as a match on your gedmatch?

Aren
08-18-2018, 01:58 AM
Oh I could be wrong but I know that he scored more Caucasus and Middle Eastern than me while I scored more Southern Europe and Ashkenazi Jewish. Some of the names don't tell you much, but at least 5-10 of them can be confirmed as Maslawi Assyrians. Yeah haahaha, try telling them that we are identical. The Armenian could have been just due to family friendships, I might not have any in my lineage.

Here's the map.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Iraq?iframe=ymap

Btw bro, I doubt this but did I come up as a match on your gedmatch?

Yeah notice how one would think he might be more Armenian shifted because he scored more Caucasus on Ancestry, but on Gedmatch you're closer to Armenians.

Do you want me to post some other Assyrians namely from the Chaldean Catholic Church and Church of the East to compare with? I also have several Tur Abdin Syriac Orthodox kits.

Nazarene
08-18-2018, 02:08 AM
Yeah notice how one would think he might be more Armenian shifted because he scored more Caucasus on Ancestry, but on Gedmatch you're closer to Armenians.

Do you want me to post some other Assyrians namely from the Chaldean Catholic Church and Church of the East to compare with? I also have several Tur Abdin Syriac Orthodox kits.

I'm not sure who is closer to Armenians, but the Armenian connection is supposedly on my paternal line. If you can post them it would greatly appreciated. My predicted hapologroup is R2a btw.

Aren
08-18-2018, 02:17 AM
I'm not sure who is closer to Armenians, but the Armenian connection is supposedly on my paternal line. If you can post them it would greatly appreciated. My predicted hapologroup is R2a btw.

That's an interesting haplogroup. I believe there are three other Assyrians who are R2a in ftdna:s Assyrian Project.
Another Assyrian on Anthrogenica made an Assyrian Y-DNA distribution based on I believe mainly 23andme and ftdna results

N=179
23.5% R1b
19.0% J1
13.4% T
13.4% J2
11.2% E1b1b1
8.9% G
2.8% R2a
2.8% Q1b
2.2% R1a
1.1% F
0.6% L
0.6% I
0.6% Q1a

I'm G1a myself and Shelati is R1b-M269.

Nazarene
08-18-2018, 02:25 AM
That's an interesting haplogroup. I believe there are three other Assyrians who are R2a in ftdna:s Assyrian Project.
Another Assyrian on Anthrogenica made an Assyrian Y-DNA distribution based on I believe mainly 23andme and ftdna results

N=179
23.5% R1b
19.0% J1
13.4% T
13.4% J2
11.2% E1b1b1
8.9% G
2.8% R2a
2.8% Q1b
2.2% R1a
1.1% F
0.6% L
0.6% I
0.6% Q1a

I'm G1a myself and Shelati is R1b-M269.

Damn, it says my paragroup of r2a is found in Iraq so far. Interesting, yours is quite rare too, I believe G originated in Western Asia?

Aren
08-18-2018, 02:40 AM
Here are some Assyrians from Nineveh plains

Alqosh

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 37.29
2 West_Asian 33.03
3 West_Med 11.18
4 Red_Sea 8.96
5 South_Asian 3.91
6 North_Atlantic 2.94
7 Siberian 1.02
8 Northeast_African 0.67
9 Baltic 0.59
10 Amerindian 0.42

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 36.61
2 West_Asian 34.94
3 West_Med 14.91
4 Red_Sea 7.15
5 South_Asian 3.06
6 Northeast_African 1.62
7 Baltic 0.59
8 East_Asian 0.56
9 North_Atlantic 0.36
10 Oceanian 0.21

Tesqopa

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 40.39
2 West_Asian 34.94
3 Red_Sea 9.48
4 West_Med 9
5 North_Atlantic 2.52
6 East_Asian 1.59
7 Amerindian 0.79
8 Northeast_African 0.72
9 South_Asian 0.53
10 Oceanian 0.04

Various Chaldean Catholics, no specific towns

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 41.49
2 West_Asian 31.34
3 West_Med 10.79
4 Red_Sea 9.23
5 South_Asian 4.27
6 North_Atlantic 1.54
7 Oceanian 0.51
8 East_Asian 0.34
9 Amerindian 0.22
10 Northeast_African 0.14
11 Baltic 0.14

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.38
2 West_Asian 33.44
3 West_Med 11.18
4 Red_Sea 7
5 South_Asian 3.27
6 Baltic 3.04
7 North_Atlantic 1.6
8 Northeast_African 0.88
9 Amerindian 0.2
10 Siberian 0.02

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 41.02
2 West_Asian 33.96
3 West_Med 10.44
4 Red_Sea 8.05
5 South_Asian 2.38
6 Baltic 1.58
7 Amerindian 0.59
8 Oceanian 0.59
9 East_Asian 0.54
10 Siberian 0.47
11 Sub-Saharan 0.38

50% Karemlesh, 50% Baghdede

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.14
2 West_Asian 33.1
3 West_Med 10.76
4 Red_Sea 8.1
5 South_Asian 4.31
6 North_Atlantic 2.69
7 Baltic 0.66
8 Sub-Saharan 0.56
9 Oceanian 0.48
10 Siberian 0.2

Baretle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.44
2 West_Asian 31.27
3 West_Med 14.04
4 Red_Sea 9.77
5 South_Asian 3.52
6 North_Atlantic 0.83
7 Oceanian 0.7
8 Baltic 0.68
9 East_Asian 0.54
10 Siberian 0.23

Bahzani

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 37.84
2 West_Asian 33.2
3 West_Med 12.01
4 Red_Sea 7.59
5 South_Asian 4.22
6 North_Atlantic 3.9
7 Northeast_African 0.93
8 Baltic 0.32

Aren
08-18-2018, 02:47 AM
Damn, it says my paragroup of r2a is found in Iraq so far. Interesting, yours is quite rare too, I believe G originated in Western Asia?

Yes mine is also me and a couple others in the Assyrian project.

So far I've been able to trace down my subclade to G-GG167 which has a TMRCA of 8900 years before present, so nothing really specific to a a culture or ancient people. But a sisterclade has been found in Chalcolithic remains from Western Iran.
I don't know much about your haplogroup though. But I think it was found in Neolithic farmers from Iran.
So sad we don't have any ancient remains from Iraq or Syria atm.

Nazarene
08-18-2018, 02:52 AM
Yes mine is also me and a couple others in the Assyrian project.

So far I've been able to trace down my subclade to G-GG167 which has a TMRCA of 8900 years before present, so nothing really specific to a a culture or ancient people. But a sisterclade has been found in Chalcolithic remains from Western Iran.
I don't know much about your haplogroup though. But I think it was found in Neolithic farmers from Iran.
So sad we don't have any ancient remains from Iraq or Syria atm.

Yo that's pretty cool, forgive my ignorance but we have no ancient remains due to what? Were they destroyed, or taken away?

Aren
08-18-2018, 02:57 AM
Yo that's pretty cool, forgive my ignorance but we have no ancient remains due to what? Were they destroyed, or taken away?

Take a guess?

Because of the war in Iraq and Syria. Also I've heard cause the Iraqi and Syrian governments aren't allowing it.
There are hundreds if not thousands of ancient remains who are just ready to get tested by scientists in Iraq.

Nazarene
08-18-2018, 03:00 AM
Take a guess?

Because of the war in Iraq and Syria. Also I've heard cause the Iraqi and Syrian governments aren't allowing it.
There are hundreds if not thousands of ancient remains who are just ready to get tested by scientists in Iraq.

Wow, that's a fucking disgrace. Does his have anything to do with pan-arab nationalism lmao.

Aren
08-18-2018, 03:05 AM
Wow, that's a fucking disgrace. Does his have anything to do with pan-arab nationalism lmao.

I don't know tbh. There are a lot excavations from Iran, Armenia, Israel and Turkey but not anywhere else in the Mideast.

Nazarene
08-18-2018, 03:20 AM
I don't know tbh. There are a lot excavations from Iran, Armenia, Israel and Turkey but not anywhere else in the Mideast.

Hope the rest follow suit, before we lose them for good.

Aren
08-18-2018, 03:26 AM
Some Church of the East Assyrians from the Hakkari mountains and Urmi.

Tiyari

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.19
2 West_Asian 33.45
3 West_Med 11.04
4 Red_Sea 8.83
5 South_Asian 4.6
6 North_Atlantic 1.86
7 Baltic 1.02
8 Northeast_African 0.01

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 40.5
2 West_Asian 34.86
3 West_Med 12.06
4 Red_Sea 8.84
5 South_Asian 1.16
6 Baltic 1
7 North_Atlantic 0.95
8 East_Asian 0.64

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.35
2 West_Asian 31.32
3 West_Med 13.33
4 Red_Sea 8.85
5 South_Asian 3.43
6 North_Atlantic 1.58
7 Baltic 1.01
8 Northeast_African 0.7
9 East_Asian 0.37
10 Siberian 0.06

Baz

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.16
2 West_Asian 33.45
3 West_Med 14.13
4 Red_Sea 8.33
5 South_Asian 3.1
6 Baltic 1.09
7 Amerindian 1.01
8 Oceanian 0.6
9 Sub-Saharan 0.09
10 North_Atlantic 0.04

Gawar

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 37.73
2 West_Asian 32.48
3 West_Med 11.8
4 Red_Sea 8.24
5 North_Atlantic 4.02
6 South_Asian 3.9
7 Northeast_African 0.96
8 Baltic 0.88

Urmi

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 40.18
2 West_Asian 32.84
3 West_Med 11.82
4 Red_Sea 8.37
5 South_Asian 3.07
6 North_Atlantic 1.25
7 East_Asian 1.03
8 Siberian 0.6
9 Baltic 0.5
10 Amerindian 0.34

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 40.28
2 West_Asian 30.95
3 West_Med 12.81
4 Red_Sea 9.08
5 South_Asian 3.02
6 Baltic 1.81
7 Oceanian 0.69
8 North_Atlantic 0.63
9 Amerindian 0.56
10 Northeast_African 0.15

Mixed/Unknown Urmi-Hakkar

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 41.39
2 West_Asian 33.29
3 West_Med 10.23
4 Red_Sea 9.16
5 South_Asian 4.49
6 North_Atlantic 0.82
7 Siberian 0.4
8 East_Asian 0.11
9 Oceanian 0.07
10 Amerindian 0.04

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 37.4
2 West_Asian 34.1
3 West_Med 11.85
4 Red_Sea 8.43
5 South_Asian 3.9
6 Baltic 2.44
7 Amerindian 0.79
8 Oceanian 0.56
9 North_Atlantic 0.43
10 East_Asian 0.06
11 Siberian 0.04

Aren
08-18-2018, 04:39 AM
Tur Abdin Syriac Orthodox

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 40.99
2 West_Asian 34.43
3 West_Med 12.02
4 Red_Sea 8.74
5 South_Asian 3.15
6 Oceanian 0.28
7 North_Atlantic 0.24
8 Amerindian 0.15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.63
2 West_Asian 33.79
3 West_Med 10.85
4 Red_Sea 9.31
5 North_Atlantic 3.42
6 South_Asian 2.47
7 Oceanian 0.53

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 37.89
2 West_Asian 33.35
3 West_Med 13.02
4 Red_Sea 7.47
5 South_Asian 4.18
6 North_Atlantic 2.39
7 Baltic 1.3
8 Northeast_African 0.34
9 Amerindian 0.06

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 41.44
2 West_Asian 32.27
3 West_Med 13.02
4 Red_Sea 8.4
5 South_Asian 2.91
6 Baltic 1.22
7 East_Asian 0.53
8 Oceanian 0.21

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.54
2 West_Asian 33.43
3 West_Med 13.77
4 Red_Sea 9.23
5 South_Asian 1.79
6 North_Atlantic 1.65
7 Oceanian 0.73
8 East_Asian 0.51
9 Siberian 0.35

Leto
08-18-2018, 06:33 PM
Kit number for gedmatch is A...... if you want to run it through some calcs, or you can ask me to put it through i dont mind
Interesting background, thanks for sharing your results!

puntDNAL K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.54
2 Mediterranean 32.05
3 SW_Asian 13.15
4 Horn_Of_Africa 5.74
5 S_Indian 2.9
6 NE_European 2.71
7 Amerindian 0.35
8 E_Asian 0.34
9 Beringian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 4.06
2 Armenian 7.61
3 Druze 8.08
4 Turk_Trabzon 9.08
5 Azerbaijani 9.47
6 Kurdish 9.6
7 Turk_Kayseri 9.87
8 Lebanese 10.84
9 Palestinian 11.27
10 Turk_Istanbul 12.22
11 Iraqi_Jew 12.29
12 Cypriot 12.8
13 Samaritian 13.39
14 Syrian 13.53
15 Iranian 14.49
16 Jordanian 14.65
17 Abkhasian 19.59
18 Kumyk 21
19 North_Ossetian 21.11
20 Balkar 21.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.7% Palestinian + 33.3% Georgian @ 2.29
2 57.9% Turk_Trabzon + 42.1% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.33
3 60.5% Turk_Trabzon + 39.5% Syrian @ 2.72
4 95.2% Assyrian + 4.8% Afar @ 2.83
5 80.4% Assyrian + 19.6% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.83
6 89.4% Assyrian + 10.6% Egyptian @ 2.89
7 96% Assyrian + 4% Somali @ 2.9
8 94.9% Assyrian + 5.1% Tygray @ 2.91
9 94.9% Assyrian + 5.1% Eritrean @ 2.91
10 95.1% Assyrian + 4.9% Amhara @ 2.92
11 91% Assyrian + 9% Yemenite_Jew @ 2.95
12 76.1% Turk_Trabzon + 23.9% Yemenese @ 2.96
13 95.5% Assyrian + 4.5% Oromo @ 2.97
14 80% Armenian + 20% Yemenite_Jew @ 2.98
15 79.9% Assyrian + 20.1% Palestinian @ 3.01
16 83% Assyrian + 17% Syrian @ 3.04
17 91.2% Assyrian + 8.8% Yemenese @ 3.08
18 94% Assyrian + 6% Somali_Benadiri @ 3.08
19 84.6% Assyrian + 15.4% Jordanian @ 3.12
20 62.7% Turk_Trabzon + 37.3% Jordanian @ 3.13


Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 46.04
2 Southwest_Asian 18.75
3 Gedrosia 17.58
4 Atlantic_Med 10.15
5 Northwest_African 2.84
6 North_European 2.34
7 South_Asian 1.63
8 East_Asian 0.57
9 Southeast_Asian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 4.45
2 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 6.34
3 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 6.37
4 Assyrian (Dodecad) 6.45
5 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 6.66
6 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 6.66
7 Lebanese (Behar) 9.72
8 Druze (HGDP) 9.94
9 Armenian (Dodecad) 10.3
10 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 10.36
11 Turks (Behar) 11.18
12 Turkish (Dodecad) 12.47
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 12.69
14 Syrians (Behar) 13
15 Kurd (Dodecad) 13.43
16 Iranian (Dodecad) 14.57
17 Jordanians (Behar) 14.96
18 Cypriots (Behar) 15.04
19 Armenians (Behar) 15.31
20 Iranians (Behar) 16.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.6% Druze (HGDP) + 42.4% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 1.81
2 59.7% Druze (HGDP) + 40.3% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 1.92
3 56.3% Druze (HGDP) + 43.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 2.09
4 62.5% Druze (HGDP) + 37.5% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.2
5 72.3% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 27.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.51
6 90% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 10% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 2.67
7 90.3% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 9.7% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.7
8 90.3% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 9.7% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.72
9 80.8% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 19.2% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.73
10 88.4% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 11.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.73
11 86% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 14% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.75
12 90.7% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 9.3% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 2.76
13 90.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 9.8% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 2.77
14 90.4% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 9.6% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 2.78
15 85.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 14.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.81
16 90.5% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 9.5% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 2.82
17 91% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 9% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 2.83
18 86.9% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 13.1% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.84
19 91% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 9% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 2.84
20 86.5% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 13.5% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 2.84

StonyArabia
08-21-2018, 06:23 AM
Wow, that's a fucking disgrace. Does his have anything to do with pan-arab nationalism lmao.

I doubt pan-Arabism is only followed by small amounts of Bedouins. Plus we lost our political influence since 2003. It has to do with Kurds and other ethnic groups competition for land. Most Arabs in Mosul would claim Assyrian ancestry but often would say "Christian" origins especially those of non-Bedouin origins. Those of Bedouin origins will often say they descent from the Arabian tribes. Some of these Bedouins were transplanted by the British there.

alnortedelsur
08-21-2018, 06:32 AM
Congrats.

Smitty
08-21-2018, 06:45 AM
Where is the South Asian coming from in Assyrians? Armenians and other Caucasus peoples score it too.