View Full Version : Why haplogrup N is so huge in Turkish ?
Crimson Winds
08-17-2018, 01:12 PM
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In all searches even Cinnioğlu's retarted one, haplogrup N outnumbers Q and C in Turkey which outnumbers N in Central Asia especially at Turkmens and Kazaks. We knew that it's almost impossible for N to have non Turkic origin. Does it means Mediaval Oghuz Turks in Central Asia were more closer to Norhern Turkic populations rather than today's Turkmens and is it true that Oghuz were descenant of Oghur Turks genetically ?
cyberlorian
08-17-2018, 01:33 PM
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Ancestral North Eurasian admixture.
Marmara
08-17-2018, 01:39 PM
Forget about C, it's Mongolian haplogroup not Turkic, it's high in Central Asia due to Mongol invasion
It's not impossible for N to not be Turkic, N1c is Finno-Ugric. N1b is the common one in Turkey.
I don't think Turks are Oghur, the high Q percentage of Turkmens might be result of founder effect, I think early Oghuzes also had significant N1b Y-DNA.
Kaspias
08-17-2018, 01:39 PM
Ancestor of N haplogroup NO haplogroup that born in south-east asia,siberia,central asia.
Crimson Winds
08-17-2018, 02:25 PM
Guys I knew where is N originated or how Nort Eurasian it is. It just looks weird it's more in Turkish than Central Asian Turkmen. I wish we have adequate genetic information about mediaval Oghuz Turks.
Crimson Winds
08-17-2018, 02:26 PM
Forget about C, it's Mongolian haplogroup not Turkic, it's high in Central Asia due to Mongol invasion
It's not impossible for N to not be Turkic, N1c is Finno-Ugric. N1b is the common one in Turkey.
I don't think Turks are Oghur, the high Q percentage of Turkmens might be result of founder effect, I think early Oghuzes also had significant N1b Y-DNA.
I mean in Turkey even if it is Uralic N it's probably came from Central Asian.
Agyullámtörő
08-17-2018, 02:42 PM
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In all searches even Cinnioğlu's retarted one, haplogrup N outnumbers Q and C in Turkey which outnumbers N in Central Asia especially at Turkmens and Kazaks. We knew that it's almost impossible for N to have non Turkic origin. Does it means Mediaval Oghuz Turks in Central Asia were more closer to Norhern Turkic populations rather than today's Turkmens and is it true that Oghuz were descenant of Oghur Turks genetically ?
The Finno-Ugric haplogroup N originated from East Asia 20000 years ago, but this is not a mongoloid marker because there were no mongoloid peoples in this Age:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N-M231
The largely part of Central Asia was Finno-Ugric (Uralic) speaking area:
http://i.imgur.com/27B5wGK.jpg
That's why some turkic people have Finno-Ugric genetic.
The Finno-Ugric haplogroup N originated from East Asia 20000 years ago, but this is not a mongoloid marker because there were no mongoloid peoples in this Age:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N-M231
The largely part of Central Asia was Finno-Ugric (Uralic) speaking area:
http://i.imgur.com/27B5wGK.jpg
That's why some turkic people have Finno-Ugric genetic.
Certain branches of N1c is common among Finno-Ugric speakers, however you can't label whole N as "Finno-Ugric Y-DNA".
Art23
08-18-2018, 06:13 PM
It just looks weird it's more in Turkish than Central Asian Turkmen.
N is still a marginal haplogroup in Turkey with only 4%.
N is still a marginal haplogroup in Turkey with only 4%.
Check again
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3N3d_4vMRfk/W2nDiuHec2I/AAAAAAAAAho/M4aF-vLoZ9g5U-aY624WSwRlDs2vBMZpACLcBGAs/s1600/122tr.png
Crimson Winds
08-18-2018, 11:22 PM
N is still a marginal haplogroup in Turkey with only 4%.
That's way I am referring Cinnoglu's search retarted. %4 N in Turkish claimed by Cinnioglu's search but it was made for all citizents of Turkey ( Turks are around %70-75) and Kurdish majority provinces were over represent. Any other search reveals huge haplogroup N.
Crimson Winds
08-19-2018, 09:46 PM
Any other thoughts ?
Harkonnen
08-19-2018, 10:04 PM
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In all searches even Cinnioğlu's retarted one, haplogrup N outnumbers Q and C in Turkey which outnumbers N in Central Asia especially at Turkmens and Kazaks. We knew that it's almost impossible for N to have non Turkic origin. Does it means Mediaval Oghuz Turks in Central Asia were more closer to Norhern Turkic populations rather than today's Turkmens and is it true that Oghuz were descenant of Oghur Turks genetically ?
Well logical explanation 1 is of course that Turks from Central Asia expanded to Northeast Europe which was filled with N1c1 etc., these Northeast Europeans got Turkified and tadaadaa Turkish N has a Northeast European (Volga and arounds) origin.
Logical explanation 2: random genetic drift.
Harkonnen
08-19-2018, 10:10 PM
Ancestor of N haplogroup NO haplogroup that born in south-east asia,siberia,central asia.
Actually has been found in Siberia and Southeast Europe :D
Proto-Shaman
08-20-2018, 11:41 AM
Well logical explanation 1 is of course that Turks from Central Asia expanded to Northeast Europe which was filled with N1c1 etc., these Northeast Europeans got Turkified and tadaadaa Turkish N has a Northeast European (Volga and arounds) origin.
Logical explanation 2: random genetic drift.
It's because of natural strong Turan in Turks. Very normal. Sakha Turks of Siberia have over 90% N. Where is Turkification here?
Proto-Shaman
08-20-2018, 11:45 AM
The largely part of Central Asia was Finno-Ugric (Uralic) speaking area:
http://i.imgur.com/27B5wGK.jpg
That's why some turkic people have Finno-Ugric genetic.
Only Indo-European idiocy can cause such mental illness maps.
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