Why Islam is storming Europe, but not New World

[Senpai]

I've seen countless videos, and articles about Islams spread into Europe, and it's continuing attempt to contort their "New" land into essentially an honorary Muslim nation. 1000s in the streets of the UK demanding Sharia law, Swedens ever-growing problem with almost entirely Muslim towns and rape, murder etc.. Germany, France.... ALL OF IT, It seems as if Western Europe is genuinely being bullied by Islam and the overseers of the country's don't want to do their job at stomping it out.

I figured at first Europe was having major issues because of the sheer number of Muslims entering their countries, and when you have such a vast number, the more problems will arise, and although the is TRUE, I no longer think that's the main reason.

I truly believe American people just won't stand for it. My city has a relatively large amount of Turks, Islamic Russians, and Saudis, but there are hardly any issues.. if any at all. We have entire Turkish neighborhoods in my city, and almost all moderately devout Muslims, however there is no issue. I feel it's a general fear. My city isn't the safest in general for anyone. I feel that even the most hardcore Muslims here have a fear engrained in them from being here in general that they just do not have in Europe. Thoughts?

[Mary]

There is no Islam in Europe. Most migrants are seculars who want a higher standard of living.

[Agyullámtörő]

Europe be strong! Stand up against the Muslim "refugees"! Deport all of them if you have to, being Europeans doesn't mean you need to lose your national identities, sovereignty, culture, history, freedom, history. There is no place for Islam in Europe.

[Wadaad]

Islam is more intune with the American psyche than the European one. It's why indigenous islamic groups formulated in the US (NOI) And pseudo islamic religions like Mormonism.

The odds of an "indigenous" Islamic movement rising in America is higher than. It is ok Europe.

Everything else in the media is just cheap fearmongering...like the red scare of the cold war.

[Marmara]

You simply don't have the problematic types.

[Dandelion]

When I go to Hoboken and Borgerhout (which I often do) I do see people walking in thawbs. I've also seen people pray in public before. No Islam in Europe?

[Kamal900]

When I go to Hoboken and Borgerhout (which I often do) I do see people walking in thawbs. I've also seen people pray in public before. No Islam in Europe?

The fuck? In Belgium of all places.

[Dandelion]

Europe be strong! Stand up against the Muslim "refugees"! Deport all of them if you have to, being Europeans doesn't mean you need to lose your national identities, sovereignty, culture, history, freedom, history. There is no place for Islam in Europe.

In the long term there indeed isn't. So thumbs up for being more honest than people prerending there is. Non-muslims welcoming Islam are only convinced Islam will decline into nothingness in the end. They just don't have the guts to be honest with themselves.

[Mary]

When I go to Hoboken and Borgerhout (which I often do) I do see people walking in thawbs. I've also seen people pray in public before. No Islam in Europe?

There are gay parades in public too. That doesn't mean gays are more than a tiny fraction of the population.

[Mary]

In the long term there indeed isn't. So thumbs up for being more honest than people prerending there is. Non-muslims welcoming Islam are only convinced Islam will decline into nothingness in the end. They just don't have the guts to be honest with themselves.

What do you want? A crusade against taxi drivers and kebab technicians in the ghettos?

[Dandelion]

There are gay parades in public too. That doesn't mean gays are more than a tiny fraction of the population.

True. They're a minority, a visible one regardless.

[Dandelion]

What do you want? A crusade against taxi drivers and kebab technicians in the ghettos?

Continue being the most dreadful hypocrites might yield the best outcome ironically. For all its flaws, Western societies are still at the top when it comes to progress. This is largely thanks to pluralism.

So do nothing when it concerns people we have already. At most deport the minority of their worst criminals.

When it comes down to it, we shouldn't become an authoritarian regime of servile masses. The true cucks are those wanting strong government leaders browbeating society in one direction. Initial progress followed by stagnation is what comes from that.

[Gold-Shekel]

I think it is overblown. The thing is that the Muslims in Europe are "visible", not only by skin color but because they're parked in ghettoes and since they live among themselves, have no will to integrate and even those who integrate have the skin color "problem". They also are victims of the left's propaganda, the left wants people with immigrant origins to feel as if they are victims of racism, that they're being oppressed while in fact racism in Europe is minimal and usually comes from the fear of the unknown rather than real hatred, or at least it used to be like that, now it's changing since the right is using the same propaganda technique on root populations, which ultimately leads to hatred and hatred fuels itself.

About "Islam taking over", it would be interesting to see how Islamic those Muslims are, I'm pretty sure they're as little involved in religion as Europeans are -> Do Ramadan fasting/Celebrate Xmas, basically only ritual stuff rather than actual religion. I think a lot are overcompensating for the fact they don't feel at home either in their origins country or in their birth country.

But the biggest problems Europeans have with Islam is because of themselves, they treat it as something foreign (and it is to most) instead of trying to have European Islamic institutions lead by European schooled Muslims, and they do exist.

[Visage pâle]

I think it is overblown. The thing is that the Muslims in Europe are "visible", not only by skin color but because they're parked in ghettoes and since they live among themselves, have no will to integrate and even those who integrate have the skin color "problem". They also are victims of the left's propaganda, the left wants people with immigrant origins to feel as if they are victims of racism, that they're being oppressed while in fact racism in Europe is minimal and usually comes from the fear of the unknown rather than real hatred, or at least it used to be like that, now it's changing since the right is using the same propaganda technique on root populations, which ultimately leads to hatred and hatred fuels itself.

About "Islam taking over", it would be interesting to see how Islamic those Muslims are, I'm pretty sure they're as little involved in religion as Europeans are -> Do Ramadan fasting/Celebrate Xmas, basically only ritual stuff rather than actual religion. I think a lot are overcompensating for the fact they don't feel at home either in their origins country or in their birth country.

But the biggest problems Europeans have with Islam is because of themselves, they treat it as something foreign (and it is to most) instead of trying to have European Islamic institutions lead by European schooled Muslims, and they do exist.

Islam is more a nation that a religion. His constitution is Sharia.

[Visage pâle]

There is no Islam in Europe. Most migrants are seculars who want a higher standard of living.

You must be joking.

[Gold-Shekel]

Islam is more a nation that a religion. His constitution is Sharia.

No, Sharia is the minimal law. If there is no law, then Sharia is to be applied so anarchy is avoided. Almost all Islamic countries have a law system that is way softer than Sharia and closer to Western punishments than Sharia. "Sharia law" is something used by the media to scare clueless people.

[KMack]

I've seen countless videos, and articles about Islams spread into Europe, and it's continuing attempt to contort their "New" land into essentially an honorary Muslim nation. 1000s in the streets of the UK demanding Sharia law, Swedens ever-growing problem with almost entirely Muslim towns and rape, murder etc.. Germany, France.... ALL OF IT, It seems as if Western Europe is genuinely being bullied by Islam and the overseers of the country's don't want to do their job at stomping it out.

I figured at first Europe was having major issues because of the sheer number of Muslims entering their countries, and when you have such a vast number, the more problems will arise, and although the is TRUE, I no longer think that's the main reason.

I truly believe American people just won't stand for it. My city has a relatively large amount of Turks, Islamic Russians, and Saudis, but there are hardly any issues.. if any at all. We have entire Turkish neighborhoods in my city, and almost all moderately devout Muslims, however there is no issue. I feel it's a general fear. My city isn't the safest in general for anyone. I feel that even the most hardcore Muslims here have a fear engrained in them from being here in general that they just do not have in Europe. Thoughts?

USA knows how to do immigration. It has always been an immigrant country. The % of Muslims in the USA is very small compared to some of these other Euro countries. As far back as the 70's Muslims came to the USA to be a Doctor or an Engineer, not Jihadi kebab taxi driver, although some are.

[Visage pâle]

No, Sharia is the minimal law. If there is no law, then Sharia is to be applied so anarchy is avoided. Almost all Islamic countries have a law system that is way softer than Sharia and closer to Western punishments than Sharia. "Sharia law" is something used by the media to scare clueless people.

Sharia is already applied in some parts of England. I don't thing there is anarchy in Great Britain. Sharia is the law of ancient Qalifa and his successors wants his application everywhere on earth. Islam is against all nationalisms except itself. Islam is a theocratic globalism. Theocracy isn't a western tradition, never. Even when Church was strong.

[Gold-Shekel]

Sharia is already applied in some parts of England. I don't thing there is anarchy in Great Britain. Sharia is the law of ancient Qalifa and his successors wants his application everywhere on earth. Islam is against all nationalisms except itself. Islam is a theocratic globalism. Theocracy isn't a western tradition, never. Even when Church was strong.

Lmao, you talk about "ancient Qalifa" while the whole world was barbaric at that time. Where is Sharia applied in England? Where are they chopping hands off and stoning people in public legally? Please show me, I'm curious.

[Dragoon]

North Africa, West Asia, and Sub-Saharan Africa are closer to Europe.
I get a sense that European elites seem to want replacement/boost fertility and favor Arabs/Islam more.
Perhaps some of them want to make those Arabs into Liberals/seculars and other groups want them to become conservative or convert to Christianity.

The US might have a larger antiMuslim thing among the poeple and elites. Particularly the Zionist funded groups, the average American Evangelical would prefer Jews over Muslims,
Americans had the 9/11 thing, etc.

Western Europe and North Europe are just weaker on this. Too many socialists/liberals/"moderates" who want them in.

Europe (all of it) has now around 50 million Muslims and still growing.
US has 4 million Muslims and they were growing slightly. Not sure if Trump got the ban of those 7? countries?

Keep in mind if there was no conservatives/Republicans/those kinds the US might have had more Muslims.

[Óttar]

Islam is more intune with the American psyche than the European one. It's why indigenous islamic groups formulated in the US (NOI) And pseudo islamic religions like Mormonism.

The odds of an "indigenous" Islamic movement rising in America is higher than. It is ok Europe.

Everything else in the media is just cheap fearmongering...like the red scare of the cold war.

The "Nation of Islam" isn't Islamic.