Are Alpines rare in the British Isles?

[Lamoral]

I rarely see British, Irish, or Scottish people with the Alpine phenotype. Sometimes they have minor elements of it, but I feel like it's uncommon to see full Alpines from there.

I'm trying really, really hard to think of some famous ones, like rock stars, actors, etc. Can't.

Anyone know?

[Cernunnos]

The are Brachycephalic Brits are mostly Borrebies.

[Bogdan]

Often just somewhat Alpine-influenced people of other types

[Lamoral]

Irish guitarist Rory Gallagher comes close:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/A1-GClF2x+L._SL1000_.png

https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.knightlab.com/storymapjs/7daf65d59bc516ca60480a86da5502e7/rory-gallagher-storymap/_images/gall%20-%20patk%20hill%20(1).jpg

https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0001/404/MI0001404906.jpg

[MysteriousWays]

Not rare, but not the most common either. Borreby is more common I think than traditional Alpine.

[Columella]

Let’s just say that the British Isles have (traditionally) a lower C.I (therefore longer headed than most Central and other Europeans, except from Iberia. This according to early XX century sources)
The lower Brachycephaly levels meant for authors that Britain was less involved by Alpine-Dinaric elements.
However Alpine or pred. Alpine types can be easily found in the British Isles and Ireland.

[Zroota]

That's because they usually tend to be Keltid Nordid, Brunn, Atlantid and/or Borreby.

[Veslan]

The are Brachycephalic Brits are mostly Borrebies.

And Dinarics:
https://cdn.britannica.com/16/133916-004-F0B47751.jpg
https://cdn.galleries.smcloud.net/t/photos/gf-aR5q-HG2c-AsLv_sir-christopher-lee-najlepsze-role.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe361.jpg

[arkas]

Haven't seen a pure one, very rare I think. Alpinid influenced is relatively a bit more common.

[Columella]

And Dinarics:
https://cdn.galleries.smcloud.net/t/photos/gf-aR5q-HG2c-AsLv_sir-christopher-lee-najlepsze-role.jpg
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Sir C.Lee was of partial Italian origin.

[Genovese]

not rare in brit isles but brunn, borreby and brunnby will be more common than typical central europen alpine

[Lamoral]

Sir C.Lee was of partial Italian origin.

He was also part god, or something, that dude was one of the most badass people who EVER lived in the past 100 years.

[Gwydion]

I've wondered before if my grandmother is one, what do you think? She is American but is almost entirely of English ancestry aside from some minor Welsh and Dutch lines from the 1700s back. She's in the middle with two of her sisters in the first image:

https://image.ibb.co/fEPKce/slides_263.jpg


https://image.ibb.co/cErzce/slides_315.jpg


https://image.ibb.co/cZvgqz/slides_175.jpg

[Lamoral]

That is absolutely a gracile Alpine phenotype, she could pass very easily in Italy. The sister sitting to her right (our left) in the first picture, even moreso.

[CommonSense]

You'll rarely find any Brits who are pure Alpines. Here's one good example I know of:

http://jenna-coleman.com/gallery/albums/events/2016/02%2013%20Louis%20Vuitton%20Pre%20BAFTAs%20Dinner/0213_LVPreBAFTADinner_0003.jpg

[Lamoral]

Actually, the beloved comedian Ronnie Corbett (who died a few years ago) is definitely Alpine. He's very small too, I think he's only about 5' tall.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTY5NjcxMzE1N15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODU2MjIyOA@@._ V1_.jpg

The actor Dirk Bogarde had sort of an Alpine face with an Atlantid head shape.

https://www.silversirens.co.uk/pictures/dirk-bogarde-british-actor-signed-publicity-photo.jpg

[Columella]

I've wondered before if my grandmother is one,]
Overall alpine yes.

[Richmondbread]

They are usually Alpine mixed. I see plenty of Irish that you can Alpine in them.

[Gwydion]

Overall alpine yes.

What's the most likely origin of Alpine types in Britain? Perhaps immigration from France historically?

[Pribislav]

Pretty rare, except maybe in Ireland.

[The Blade]

Rare in pure form, yes.
The Aurignacid meso-dolicho spectrum is strong in Britain and Ireland.

On the other hand, many Brunns of the brachy variety (though dolicho ones are also common), a good number of Borrebies and Dinarids/Norids. Alpinids are rarer, in my opinion.

[Ülev]

yes, it's about head size, brachycephalic Brunns have large heads, I bet


https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe-map7a.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe-map7b.jpg

[Lamoral]

What's the most likely origin of Alpine types in Britain? Perhaps immigration from France historically?

It's a good question and I've wondered about it myself. There are several possibilities:

1. Romans. The Roman Empire spent time in Britain, and Romans probably had many Alpines among them.

2. Saxons. The Saxons migrated to the British Isles, and as the Saxons came from continental Europe in the German region, they probably had Alpines among them.

3. French. There has definitely been French influence on Britain, first from the Normans (who I take it were a Nordic-influenced people, so maybe not so many Alpines) and then later from just French who went back and forth between the continent and the island over the course of 1000 years. Probably some Alpines in that population.

[Columella]

What's the most likely origin of Alpine types in Britain? Perhaps immigration from France historically?

Possibly, or with the Kelts, any european migration really. Coon mentiones European influence in Roman times.
But personally I think that in Europe any longeheaded population carries a brachycephalic minority. I think it’s overall part of normal human variation.

[Livin]

I,have been once in Liverpool and I swear to god I didn’t see any brachy individual.

UK is probably one of the least brachy countries in EU.

[Columella]

Welsh actor looks realistically Brachycefalic
https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/585412e31f0e0969155ac001/master/pass/Kate-Beckinsale-Michael-Sheen-proud-parents-college.jpg
However they are the exceptions.

[Veslan]

Possibly, or with the Kelts, any european migration really. Coon mentiones European influence in Roman times.
But personally I think that in Europe any longeheaded population carries a brachycephalic minority. I think it’s overall part of normal human variation.

Alpinids and Dinarics existed in Britain since the Bell-Beaker culture. Modern day Keltic Nordics in Britain show influence of Dinaric (and Baskid) phenotypes, while Borrebies have Alpine admixture.

Reconstruction of an Alpine Bell-Beaker from Britain:
http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/images/culture_heritage/bm_boris2.jpg

22, 23 and 24 are metrics of British Bell Beakers of respectively: Dinaric/Noric/Borreby, Alpine/Subnordic and Corded Nordid phenotypes:
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe-appendixI-004.jpg

[Mr. Anybody]

Welsh actor looks realistically Brachycefalic
https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/585412e31f0e0969155ac001/master/pass/Kate-Beckinsale-Michael-Sheen-proud-parents-college.jpg
However they are the exceptions.

he s really british?

[Lamoral]

Keith Moon from The Who was kind of Alpine.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XPbZYS8JZ9k/hqdefault.jpg

https://drunkard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/keith-moon.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSxM-g_CI1xbklRhM1JVN_G0ynsDL5YF5_zr8JCiIHKbmENLh7U

Scottish singer Gerry Rafferty is one of the most Alpine-looking British Isles musicians I've seen, something about him looks Italian to me.

https://img-www.tf-cdn.com/artist/10/gerry-rafferty.jpeg?_v=20160612204217&w=1024&h=512&dpr=1&auto=compress&fm=pjpg&fit=crop&crop=faces%2Ctop

https://live.wdrv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/picturetypenormal61.jpeg