Serbians: genetically closer to Finns or closer to Turks?

[cyberlorian]

I would say both in equal measure but you can also tell your opinion if you think different.

[Nakama]

Finns. But they look closer to Turks than to Finns.

[cyberlorian]

Finns. But they look closer to Turks than to Finns.

How can this happen? I am very confused now.

[Nakama]

How can this happen? I am very confused now.

Well, they are closer to Finns in a PCA plot but their phenotypes are too distinct from Finns to pass as average Finns. Serbians don't look like Turks as a group but they have many phenotypes passable in Turkey (Pontid, Dinarid, Alpinid etc.).

[Kivan]

Another troll thread ?

They are closer genetically to Finns, and, as a group, probably look closer to Croats and Bosnians.

[CommonSense]

Leave us out of your silly threads. We are half-way between those two groups and have little in common with either of them (in terms of genetics, not phenotypes).

[cyberlorian]

Leave us out of your silly threads. We are half-way between those two groups and have little in common with either of them (in terms of genetics, not phenotypes).

I am going to keep asking because I am curious :)

[cyberlorian]

Another troll thread ?

They are closer genetically to Finns, and, as a group, probably look closer to Croats and Bosnians.

Not troll.

[Pribislav]

http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/blankmapeurope57nabwr3eh.png
https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

[Dick]

I would say both in equal measure

Not even close


https://i.imgur.com/T5KuEXF.png

[Cristiano viejo]

The Turk obsessed with Europeans in action again...

[Marmara]

To Finns.

Anatolian Turks aren't even in the European cluster.

If you include Balkan Turks then it would obviously be Turks.

Serbs pass beter in Turkey.

[Cristiano viejo]

Serbs pass beter in Turkey.

Are Serbs brown? is that what you want to say?

[Marmara]

Are Serbs brown? is that what you want to say?

Calm down my brown brother.

[cyberlorian]

The Turk obsessed with Europeans in action again...

Hoşgeldin Harun abi.

[cyberlorian]

To Finns.

Anatolian Turks aren't even in the European cluster.

If you include Balkan Turks then it would obviously be Turks.

Serbs pass beter in Turkey.

Isn’t it interesting that Serbians are genetically closer to Finns but phenotypically closer to Turks?

[cyberlorian]

Are Serbs brown? is that what you want to say?

He never said such thing.

[Marmara]

Isn’t it interesting that Serbians are genetically closer to Finns but phenotypically closer to Turks?

No, Finland is a small country and Turkey is big, we also have millions of Balkan immigrants, that's why they pass better here.

Also dark hair is atypical in Finland.

[cyberlorian]

No, Finland is a small country and Turkey is big, we also have millions of Balkan immigrants, that's why they pass better here.

Also dark hair is atypical in Finland.

Dinarid phenotype plays a role here, I guess. Serbians are predominantly Dinarid faced and Dinarid in Turkey is much more than Dinarid in Finland.

[Mr. Anybody]

The Turk obsessed with Europeans in action again...

today you not conquest there.why?

[cyberlorian]

today you not conquest there.why?

He is obsessed with me. :D


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[MercifulServant]

closer to finns.

[Danzig]

I am not saying that serbs are turks, but they are more closer to turks.
serbians and turks have way more phenotype overlap, then finns and serbs do.
serbians are more mediterranid, dinarid, and gorid.

while turks are also pontid, anatolid, alpine, taurid, turanid.

finns are close to north west russians, with phenotypes of nordid, ladogan, east baltid, east nordid.

meds and dinarids do not exist in finns.

[Lauχum]

Closer to Turks from Istanbul than all Finns and closer to Turks from Balekasir than East Finns. Roughly, they're about equally distant from both though yes:

https://i.imgur.com/jqrri1M.png

[Pribislav]

Closer to Turks from Istanbul than all Finns and closer to Turks from Balekasir than East Finns. Roughly, they're about equally distant from both though yes:

https://i.imgur.com/jqrri1M.png

Turks from Istanbul are mostly turkified Balkanites. A lot of turkified soth Slavs live in Istanbul and eastern Thrace.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galipoli_Serbs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Serbs)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_in_Turkey

[Lauχum]

Turks from Istanbul are mostly turkified Balkanites. A lot of turkified soth Slavs live in Istanbul and eastern Thrace.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galipoli_Serbs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Serbs)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_in_Turkey

They have more European admixture than other Turks but are still mostly West Asian:

"distance%=2.0786"
Turkish_Istanbul
Anatolia_ChL,52.2
Seh_Gabi_ChL,14.2
Yamnaya_Samara,13
Mongola,6.8
Levant_BA,5
Iron_Gates_HG,4.8
Barcin_N,4

Compare to these Southern Turks:

"distance%=2.0354"
Turkish_Adana
Anatolia_ChL,50.4
Seh_Gabi_ChL,21.8
Levant_BA,9.4
Yamnaya_Samara,8.6
Mongola,7.6
Iron_Gates_HG,2.2
Barcin_N,0

Or these Western Anatolian Turks:

"distance%=2.7531"
Turkish_Aydin
Anatolia_ChL,45.8
Seh_Gabi_ChL,17.8
Mongola,11.6
Yamnaya_Samara,10.4
Levant_BA,7.8
Iron_Gates_HG,4.2
Barcin_N,2.4

[Pribislav]

They have more European admixture than other Turks but are still mostly West Asian:

"distance%=2.0786"
Turkish_Istanbul
Anatolia_ChL,52.2
Seh_Gabi_ChL,14.2
Yamnaya_Samara,13
Mongola,6.8
Levant_BA,5
Iron_Gates_HG,4.8
Barcin_N,4

Compare to these Southern Turks:

"distance%=2.0354"
Turkish_Adana
Anatolia_ChL,50.4
Seh_Gabi_ChL,21.8
Levant_BA,9.4
Yamnaya_Samara,8.6
Mongola,7.6
Iron_Gates_HG,2.2
Barcin_N,0

Or these Western Anatolian Turks:

"distance%=2.7531"
Turkish_Aydin
Anatolia_ChL,45.8
Seh_Gabi_ChL,17.8
Mongola,11.6
Yamnaya_Samara,10.4
Levant_BA,7.8
Iron_Gates_HG,4.2
Barcin_N,2.4

Anatolians migrated massively to the Istanbul after WW2. When I said that Turks from Istanbul have mostly Balkan origin I throught about old Istanbul families which live in Istanbul for few centuries. Recent Anatolian imigrants and islamized/turkified Balkanians which live longer in city mixed of course.

Most Balkanic and most European part of Turkey genetically is eastern Thrace.
In eastern Thrace majority of poplulation have Balkan origin. They are mix of various Balkan convertits from variuos periods.

[Mingle]

To Finns.

Anatolian Turks aren't even in the European cluster.

If you include Balkan Turks then it would obviously be Turks.

Serbs pass beter in Turkey.

How much closer would they be to Balkan Turks than to Finns? How similar are Balkan Turks to Finns vis-a-vis Anatolian Turks?

[Lauχum]

Anatolians migrated massively to the Istanbul after WW2. When I said that Turks from Istanbul have mostly Balkan origin I throught about old Istanbul families which live in Istanbul for few centuries. Recent Anatolian imigrants and islamized/turkified Balkanians which live longer in city mixed of course.

Most Balkanic and most European part of Turkey genetically is eastern Thrace.
In eastrn Thrace vast majority of poplulation have Balkan origin. They are mix of various Balkan convertits from variuos periods.

Yeah, the Istanbul Turks used in the 2 posts above are sampled from modern Istanbul. Turks from the Tekirdağ Subregion (European Turkey minus Istanbul) may be much more European shifted.

[Lauχum]

Anatolians migrated massively to the Istanbul after WW2. When I said that Turks from Istanbul have mostly Balkan origin I throught about old Istanbul families which live in Istanbul for few centuries. Recent Anatolian imigrants and islamized/turkified Balkanians which live longer in city mixed of course.

Most Balkanic and most European part of Turkey genetically is eastern Thrace.
In eastrn Thrace vast majority of poplulation have Balkan origin. They are mix of various Balkan convertits from variuos periods.

Yeah, the Istanbul Turks used in the 2 posts above are sampled from modern Istanbul. Turks from the Tekirdağ Subregion (European Turkey minus Istanbul) may be much more European shifted.