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Marmara
08-25-2018, 09:03 PM
Formal negotiations with the EU started in 2005. It's not a very long time to lose hope to join in our brothers.


You are the most confused, self-contradicting person i have ever seen. EU will never accept Turkey, especially when Erdoğan is leading it.


You are the most funny people I have ever seen in my life. That is why they started accession negotiations with Turkey under the leadership of Erdoğan?

I'm just tired of him, he says Turkey is an European country and will join EU, that Erdoğan making Turkey an European country, i'm done talking to him about how ridicilous he sounds.

Isn't it ironic that the most pro-EU Turk of this forum is also the most fierce supporter of Erdoğan?

What do you people think?

DarkSecret
08-25-2018, 09:06 PM
I'm just tired of him, he says Turkey is an European country and will join EU, that Erdoğan making Turkey an European country, i'm done talking to him about how ridicilous he sounds.

Isn't it ironic that the most pro-EU Turk of this forum is also the most fierce supporter of Erdoğan?

What do you people think?

What is EU? I was talking about MESU.

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 09:07 PM
But, Erdogan want to put Turkey in BRICS if I'm not mistaken. Anyways, he is a true turkish patriotic - at least it you need to admit Marmara. He encouraged people here to not buy US smartphones too. Look at him. Always defending Turkey.

Marmara
08-25-2018, 09:07 PM
What is EU? I was talking about MESU.

Stop playing the fool.

Marmara
08-25-2018, 09:08 PM
But, Erdogan want to put Turkey in BRICS if I'm not mistaken. Anyways, he is a true turkish patriotic - at least it you need to admit Marmara. He encouraged people here to not buy US smartphones too. Look at him. Always defending Turkey.

İrrelevant, besides, he isn't Patriotic, he just follows Erdoğan's commands, he would burn the Turkish flag if Erdoğan commanded him so.

Bosniensis
08-25-2018, 09:09 PM
Europe is only Balkans, Italy and Anatolia.

Ottoman Empire was European Union.

Those Indo-Germanic invaders who run EU today... thats Indo-European Union

Marmara
08-25-2018, 09:10 PM
Europe is only Balkans, Italy and Anatolia.

Ottoman Empire was European Union.

Those Indo-Germanic invaders who run EU today... thats Indo-European Union

Another troll

This forum is a lunatic asylum.

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:10 PM
İrrelevant, besides, he isn't Patriotic, he just follows Erdoğan's commands, he would burn the Turkish flag if Erdoğan commanded him so.

I think he is a tue patriot. always in side with his national leader

DarkSecret
08-25-2018, 09:11 PM
But, Erdogan want to put Turkey in BRICS if I'm not mistaken. Anyways, he is a true turkish patriotic - at least it you need to admit Marmara. He encouraged people here to not buy US smartphones too. Look at him. Always defending Turkey.

They will never understand my love for Turkey as they are hating their own people and country. Alas!

Marmara
08-25-2018, 09:11 PM
I think he is a tue patriot. always in side with his national leader

In a civilized country, the leaders side with people, not the opposite.

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:11 PM
They will never understand my love for Turkey as they are hating their own people and country. Alas!

Salam

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 09:12 PM
İrrelevant, besides, he isn't Patriotic, he just follows Erdoğan's commands, he would burn the Turkish flag if Erdoğan commanded him so.

But Erdogan defend the Turkey's interests, soon, if Dark Secret defends Erdogan, he is defending Turkey too.

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:12 PM
In a civilized country, the leaders side with people, not the opposite.

Democracy is not always better. If the leader is good, then there is no problem to do everything he orders.

Marmara
08-25-2018, 09:14 PM
But Erdogan defend the Turkey's interests, soon, if Dark Secret defends Erdogan, he is defending Turkey too.


Democracy is not always better. If the leader is good, then there is no problem to do everything he orders.

You two explain well why Latin America is also a shit hole.

Óttar
08-25-2018, 09:15 PM
Turkey has attempted to join the EU on various occasions and every time they have been rejected: rejected by Germany, the Netherlands, France, everyone. The people of Europe have spoken. Give up, go away, and stop asking to join. When Turks not only keep electing Erdogan, but giving in to his dictatorial powers (the Yes/No vote earlier) and purging the military (which has served since the Ataturk days as a balance against Islamism), they have betrayed the legacy of Ataturk and chosen the side of barbarism, backwardness, and savagery.

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 09:16 PM
You two explain well why Latin America is also a shit hole.

???? Dude, if Erdogan is really this bad, so, how he got be elected so many times? At least, something he got to Turkey. Right now, Turkey is kicking the kurds terrorists in your frontier.

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:16 PM
You two explain well why Latin America is also a shit hole.

Latin America is a shithole because of neoliberalism. Turkey too. It is not really like Turkey is too diferent of latin Amerca, btw...

Marmara
08-25-2018, 09:16 PM
Turkey has attempted to join the EU on various occasions and every time they have been rejected: rejected by Germany, the Netherlands, France, everyone. The people of Europe have spoken. Give up, go away, and stop asking to join. When Turks not only keep electing Erdogan, but giving in to his dictatorial powers (the Yes/No vote earlier) and purging the military (which has served since the Ataturk days as a balance against Islamism), they have betrayed the legacy of Ataturk and chosen the side of barbarism, backwardness, and savagery.

DarkSecret disagrees, Europeans would love to have us, they are our bros, and Erdoğan is the best European leader, true example to Europe how a leader should be.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:18 PM
He sounds like the regular diaspora nationalist Turk in western Europe

Marmara
08-25-2018, 09:19 PM
He sounds like the regular diaspora nationalist Turk in western Europe

He probably wants to join EU so he can leech welfare.

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:19 PM
He sounds like the regular diaspora nationalist Turk in western Europe

But he is right, Turkey should join the EU even with Erdogan, because this way Turkey would be both: Nationalist and internationalist. it is like killing two birds with one stone.

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 09:20 PM
According quora: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-good-things-that-the-AKP-and-Recep-Tayyip-Erdogan-did-during-the-last-13-years-that-helped-Turkey-make-progress-in-development

Fact 1: Let's start with the economy. Turkey has seen enormous economic growth since Mr. Erdogan came to power. GDP has grown from a lowly 200 billion USD in 1995 to over 800 billion USD today! That is four-times as much as 20 years ago.

Fact 2: Before the AKP won their first elections, power was shared within the Kemalist elite which (contrary to Atatürk's ideas) sliced out the biggest part of the power and wealth pie for themselves. There were informal but very real litmus tests for advancing in society. Mr. Erdogan, born in Istanbul to poor but pius parents from the Black Sea region, changed all this. He opened the highest circles of power to the formerly disenfranchised Anatolian conservatives.

In fact, during his first two terms as Prime Minister Mr. Erdogan seemed like he had moved away from his roots in the RP (Refah Partisi) and tried to be the Prime Minister for all Turks.

In a final push for EU membership, several democratic reforms were initiated. For example, the Kurdish language was legalized and several other reforms concerning the Kurds (with some going too far, in my opinion). Other reforms were the empowerment of other minorities, for example Christian minorities, who were very happy about the AKP government in the initial years (I just can't understand why prior governments led by the Kemalist CHP have not empowered Christians).
Anti-terror laws were reformed.

Nattens Madrigal
08-25-2018, 09:21 PM
He is telling to truth.Thanks to Erdogan we will be leader of Ummah by 2023.Ummah includes the Islamic Emirate of Sweden,Caliphate of Londonistan and Islamic state of Francistan.Europe will join us. InsAllah.

Marmara
08-25-2018, 09:21 PM
We can see the 3rd world solidarity on this thread.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:21 PM
But he is right, Turkey should join the EU even with Erdogan, because this way Turkey would be both: Nationalist and internationalist. it is like killing two birds with one stone.

Give access to at least 20mio brainwashed Erdogan voters to the EU? No thanks, we already got enough problems with islamists here.

If Turkey would have followed Atatürks path till this day, not even a nationalist christian German like me would have no problem with them joining.

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:23 PM
We can see the 3rd world solidarity on this thread.

That just show Erdogan is popular among the people he should be. If he was popular among rich people, it would mean he is a elitist corrupt

Marmara
08-25-2018, 09:24 PM
Give access to at least 20mio brainwashed Erdogan voters to the EU? No thanks, we already got enough problems with islamists here.

If Turkey would have followed Atatürks path till this day, not even a nationalist christian German like me would have no problem with them joining.

DarkSecret says Erdoğan is the second Atatürk, and Ataturk would vote for him if he was alive.

brennus dux gallorum
08-25-2018, 09:24 PM
He is right

Islam is the future of Yurupe

So erdogan is making turkey European

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 09:25 PM
Marmara dislike Erdogan only cuz Erdogan allowed a lot of syrians to join in Turkey. It is unbelieveble.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:25 PM
That just show Erdogan is popular among the people he should be. If he was popular among rich people, it would mean he is a elitist corrupt

Erdogan is using religion as a tool to manipulate the poor, just like European leaders did in medieval times.

He said it himself, They have the dollar we got allah.

Here everyone laughs about that stupid statement, in the islamic world he was celebrated.

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:26 PM
Give access to at least 20mio brainwashed Erdogan voters to the EU? No thanks, we already got enough problems with islamists here.

If Turkey would have followed Atatürks path till this day, not even a nationalist christian German like me would have no problem with them joining.

They would elighten Europe with populism, neoliberalism is detroying Europe, just look at western europe, it is not anymore like it was when Europe were more social oriented

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:26 PM
Marmara dislike Erdogan only cuz Erdogan allowed a lot of syrians to join in Turkey. It is unbelieveble.

What is there to like about this islamist clown?

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4PkFO3f-QCI/WVU5cOlYKqI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/xBsw0fzq77AO3TwJyxGuyq8nsdy4e038QCLcBGAs/s1600/Erdogan%2BQuotes%2Bwww.mostphrases.blogspot.be.jpg

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:27 PM
They would elighten Europe with populism, neoliberalism is detroying Europe, just look at western europe, it is not anymore like it was when Europe were more social oriented

Go troll someone else

Marmara
08-25-2018, 09:29 PM
Why is he not reading this thread? This guy will then jump in another thread repeat the same thing

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:29 PM
Erdogan is using religion as a tool to manipulate the poor, just like European leaders did in medieval times.

He said it himself, They have the dollar we got allah.

Here everyone laughs about that stupid statement, in the islamic world he was celebrated.

Happy is the nation that has God as it lord. Don't you read the bible? And you are a so called "christian"... If you were a true christian you would suport Erdoganists in that.

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 09:31 PM
What is there to like about this islamist clown?

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4PkFO3f-QCI/WVU5cOlYKqI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/xBsw0fzq77AO3TwJyxGuyq8nsdy4e038QCLcBGAs/s1600/Erdogan%2BQuotes%2Bwww.mostphrases.blogspot.be.jpg

Sorry, it was my mistake. I forgot about Erdogan pro islam politics. Sorry. But, like I showed, he got a lot of economic growth to Turkey too. There is goods and bad things about him.

brennus dux gallorum
08-25-2018, 09:32 PM
Also, where is the "he is right" choice?

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:32 PM
Happy is the nation that has God as it lord. Don't you read the bible? And you are a so called "christian"... If you were a true christian you would suport Erdoganists in that.

Are you stupid? he is a muslim and not a christian

And our church these days also uses religion to manipulate our views in regards to refugees etc, I dont visit church with this propaganda anymore, I got my own brain.

When you mention the bible:

Matthew 22:21
21 They answered, “The emperor’s.” Then he said to them, “Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the emperor’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:32 PM
Go troll someone else

Are you mad , bro? I just stated facts, neoliberal Europeans don't like Erdogan because he oposes their elitist dictatorship

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:33 PM
Sorry, it was my mistake. I forgot about Erdogan pro islam politics. Sorry. But, like I showed, he got a lot of economic growth to Turkey too. There is goods and bad things about him.

This growth is gone, Trump fucks him without vaseline

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:33 PM
Are you mad , bro? I just stated facts, neoliberal Europeans don't like Erdogan because he oposes their elitist dictatorship

NOONE in Europe likes Erdogan

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:35 PM
Are you stupid? he is a muslim and not a christian

And our church these days also uses religion to manipulate our views in regards to refugees etc, I dont visit church with this propaganda anymore, I got my own brain.

When you mention the bible:

Matthew 22:21
21 They answered, “The emperor’s.” Then he said to them, “Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the emperor’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

Do you know "Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God" right? Muslims worship the same God as us christians, even if their religion is a bit different, their are our brothers, after all, sons of the same father

Nattens Madrigal
08-25-2018, 09:37 PM
Marmara dislike Erdogan only cuz Erdogan allowed a lot of syrians to join in Turkey. It is unbelieveble.

Maybe Brazil should take more than 5 million Syrian/Iraqis.

Dragoon
08-25-2018, 09:37 PM
If Turkey joined EU before East Slavic countries (all of them) that would retarded.
BUt hopefully EU will disappear, starting with the liberal/socialists/politicians getting money from Soros.

Hoping the Christian, populist, antiimmigrant parties just break away.

USSR fell so to can EUSSR.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:37 PM
Do you know "Allah" is just the Arabic word for "God" right? Muslims worship the same God as us christians, even if their religion is a bit different, their are our brothers, after all, sons of the same father

Dont call yourself christian you fool

If you dont believe that Jesus is god than you dont follow the same god, they go to hell according to christian faith

they genocide our christian brothers, and erdogan sit back and watched christians getting attacked all over turkey

PLUS he denies the armenian genocide

Marmara
08-25-2018, 09:38 PM
NOONE in Europe likes Erdogan

He says that Europeans are brainwashed by media and can't see Erdoğan is their friend who will free Europe from USA.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:38 PM
Maybe Brazil should take more than 5 million Syrian/Iraqis.

Even the most retarded Syrian on this planet would be a superior human being compared to the regular brazilian mudblood favela monkey

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:39 PM
NOONE in Europe likes Erdogan

Only unhonest pricks dislike him.

Poor and unpriviled Europeans love him, i watched a documentary on TV and there was girl crying that they should let Turkey enter the EU, because it would bring more diversity, liberalism and more equality to Europe.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:40 PM
Only unhonest pricks dislike him.

Poor and unpriviled Europeans love him, i watched a documentary on TV and there was girl crying that they should let Turkey enter the EU, because it would bring more diversity, liberalism and more equality to Europe.

Again trolling, was better when you banned.

Well I forgive you since you admited you are just an autist.

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:41 PM
Maybe Brazil should take more than 5 million Syrian/Iraqis.

Yes. That is a very good thing. I would accept at least 3 familyes of muslims refugees in my house. At least they are our brothers in God too! I hope more and more muslims came here, we are not neo-nazis like europeans, we are true cristians

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 09:42 PM
Maybe Brazil should take more than 5 million Syrian/Iraqis.

What the problem? Brazil is a country made by immigrants, so I havent problem with take these syrians. They only go to Turkey because it is a coutry near of Syria. When the Civil War get end, they will return to Assad hands. Just wait and be patient.

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 09:43 PM
Yes. That is a very good thing. I would accept at least 3 familyes of muslims refugees in my house. At least they are our brothers in God too! I hope more and more muslims came here, we are not neo-nazis like europeans, we are true cristians

Are you trolling?

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:44 PM
Even the most retarded Syrian on this planet would be a superior human being compared to the regular brazilian mudblood favela monkey

Said the "cristhian" again. Nobody is superior. Favela bros are christian too, while syrians are not but i still would let they to live in my house, because we are all related in the final

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:44 PM
What the problem? Brazil is a country made by immigrants, so I havent problem with take these syrians. They only go to Turkey because it is a coutry near of Syria. When the Civil War get end, they will return to Assad hands. Just wait and be patient.

Naive lol

Please take them to Brazil

Assad dont want them back, the ones that fleed were mostly useless idiots, basically illiterates and extremist muslims.

He already gave regime supporters the houses and property of those who fleed.

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:45 PM
Are you trolling?

Are you christian? It is just our duty as christians. Unfortunately Teutone is too egoist too understand that

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:45 PM
Said the "cristhian" again. Nobody is superior. Favela bros are christian too, while syrians are not but i still would let they to live in my house, because we are all related in the final

Accept them then you trolling autist

Bornoz
08-25-2018, 09:47 PM
Give access to at least 20mio brainwashed Erdogan voters to the EU? No thanks, we already got enough problems with islamists here.

If Turkey would have followed Atatürks path till this day, not even a nationalist christian German like me would have no problem with them joining.

If Turkey would follow Ataturk's path till this day, it would be one of the most advanced and democratic countries on the world and predominantly atheist. Europe would struggle Turkey to enter European Union contrary now.

My comrades have different ideas about Ataturk for obvious reasons but I can never stop loving and respecting to an atheist leader from the first years of 20th century that modernized and secularized my country.

Nattens Madrigal
08-25-2018, 09:48 PM
What the problem? Brazil is a country made by immigrants, so I havent problem with take these syrians. They only go to Turkey because it is a coutry near of Syria. When the Civil War get end, they will return to Assad hands. Just wait and be patient.

I don't give fuk.You don't know the situation here.If you are such an angel hearted devout christian maybe you should start the help these poor Brazilian mutts.I am %100 sure Brazil has a higher death count than Syria.

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 09:49 PM
Naive lol

Please take them to Brazil

Assad dont want them back, the ones that fleed were mostly useless idiots, basically illiterates and extremist muslims.

He already gave regime supporters the houses and property of those who fleed.

"He already gave regime supporters the houses and property of those who fleed" - I not knew about this. So, it is a very huge problem. I really doubt the Erdogan's opposition want to see every syrian out of Turkey. 3 million of people is a lot. If they want to live in Brazil, our doors are open to them.

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:50 PM
Again trolling, was better when you banned.

Well I forgive you since you admited you are just an autist.

Maybe if you were less egoistic, you would like me. I am saying nothing wrong, it iis just you turning mad at me defending the humanism with our muslim brothers, they are more christian than you. Actually you are the troll who says you are "christian" but you behaves exactly like the oposite of a christian.

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:51 PM
I don't give fuk.You don't know the situation here.If you are such an angel hearted devout christian maybe you should start the help these poor Brazilian mutts.I am %100 sure Brazil has a higher death count than Syria.

Yes it does but that is because we don't have a leader like Erdogan.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:51 PM
"He already gave regime supporters the houses and property of those who fleed" - I not knew about this. So, it is a very huge problem. I really doubt the Erdogan's opposition want to see every syrian out of Turkey. 3 million of people is a lot. If they want to live in Brazil, our doors are open to them.

They are scum and subhumans, enjoy islamist terrorist attacks in brazil then.

Marmara
08-25-2018, 09:51 PM
There are two types of Europeans who hate Erdoğan.

Those who are brainwashed, and those who are racist nazis.

There is no other explanation since Erdoğan is the Messiah, Europeans should embrace him, he is the true European leader leading an European country with European values.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:52 PM
Maybe if you were less egoistic, you would like me. I am saying nothing wrong, it iis just you turning mad at me defending the humanism with our muslim brothers, they are more christian than you. Actually you are the troll who says you are "christian" but you behaves exactly like the oposite of a christian.

I qouted the Bible telling you whats going on, you got no answer and ignored the post.

says everything, you budhist piece of autism.

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 09:52 PM
I don't give fuk.You don't know the situation here.If you are such an angel hearted devout christian maybe you should start the help these poor Brazilian mutts.I am %100 sure Brazil has a higher death count than Syria.

Yes, you're right. Per year, more people are killed here than killed in the civil war in Syria. If you want to see they out of your nation, do something to change it so.

Nattens Madrigal
08-25-2018, 09:52 PM
Yes it does but that is because we don't have a leader like Erdogan.

Okay,i am not gonna answer you anymore.You should stop trolling and find something more useful for yourself.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:53 PM
I understand why Brazilians like Erdogan

http://i.imgur.com/SDTCVDS.png

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:53 PM
There are two types of Europeans who hate Erdoğan.

Those who are brainwashed, and those who are racist nazis.

There is no explanation since Erdoğan is the Messiah, Europeans should embrace him, he is the true European leader leading an European country with European values.

But that is true, just look at the display of racism in this thread? Who did that? Anti-Erdogan users.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:54 PM
Okay,i am not gonna answer you anymore.You should stop trolling and find something more useful for yourself.

Yea he should be banned again

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 09:54 PM
They are scum and subhumans, enjoy islamist terrorist attacks in brazil then.

Do you think Marmara and others anti-immigrants are really the most in Turkey? If syrians leave their religiosity and faith in quram, everybody would accept them.

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:56 PM
I understand why Brazilians like Erdogan

http://i.imgur.com/SDTCVDS.png

We like him because we are the true christians, 90% of Brazilian are christians(70% catholics and 20% protestants).

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 09:57 PM
I understand why Brazilians like Erdogan

http://i.imgur.com/SDTCVDS.png

I never said I like Erdogan. Basically, he is like any politician - he has ups and downs. It is up to the Turks to choose their own destiny.
About the IQ scores, it varies in regions here.

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:58 PM
Yea he should be banned again

What i did wrong?? I am just defending humanity while you are treating your christian mate in a so hateful way, it is not fair

Teutone
08-25-2018, 09:59 PM
Do you think Marmara and others anti-immigrants are really the most in Turkey? If syrians leave their religiosity and faith in quram, everybody would accept them.

Marmara and the others are sadly not a mayority in Turkey, they are only a mayority in the parts of Turkey that actually contribute the the turkish economy and brain capacity.

The most erdogan voters and supporters come from low income, low IQ, rural areas.

http://www.allfantasysports.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/iq-map-world-iq-regions-of-turkey-oc1024x626-mapporn-1024-x-626-pixels.png

https://www.electoralgeography.com/new/en/turkey2017/2017-turkey-swing.png

Joso
08-25-2018, 09:59 PM
I qouted the Bible telling you whats going on, you got no answer and ignored the post.

says everything, you budhist piece of autism.

I am not buddhist anymore, i am christian again

Marmara
08-25-2018, 10:00 PM
Erdoğan is the hero of third worlders.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 10:00 PM
I am not buddhist anymore, i am christian again

Clear trolling account

changing opinions, identities etc every day

Teutone
08-25-2018, 10:02 PM
Another statistic that the real educated Turks suffer under Erdogan and are smart enough to not be manipulated


http://www.geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Tuerkey-Development-Vote-Map.png

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:02 PM
Marmara and the others are sadly not a mayority in Turkey, they are only a mayority in the parts of Turkey that actually contribute the the turkish economy and brain capacity.

The most erdogan voters and supporters come from low income, low IQ, rural areas.

http://www.allfantasysports.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/iq-map-world-iq-regions-of-turkey-oc1024x626-mapporn-1024-x-626-pixels.png

https://www.electoralgeography.com/new/en/turkey2017/2017-turkey-swing.png

Fortunately the majority in Germany are not like you, they are atheists and liberal, while you here acts like islamophobe troll, i doubt in real life you are like that

Marmara
08-25-2018, 10:02 PM
Clear trolling account

changing opinions, identities etc every day

I think he really has mental issues.

Dandelion
08-25-2018, 10:03 PM
Marmara and the others are sadly not a mayority in Turkey, they are only a mayority in the parts of Turkey that actually contribute the the turkish economy and brain capacity.

The most erdogan voters and supporters come from low income, low IQ, rural areas.

http://www.allfantasysports.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/iq-map-world-iq-regions-of-turkey-oc1024x626-mapporn-1024-x-626-pixels.png

https://www.electoralgeography.com/new/en/turkey2017/2017-turkey-swing.png

Turkish diaspora in the West also mainly voted Erdoğan. Bah.

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 10:03 PM
Marmara and the others are sadly not a mayority in Turkey, they are only a mayority in the parts of Turkey that actually contribute the the turkish economy and brain capacity.

The most erdogan voters and supporters come from low income, low IQ, rural areas.

http://www.allfantasysports.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/iq-map-world-iq-regions-of-turkey-oc1024x626-mapporn-1024-x-626-pixels.png

https://www.electoralgeography.com/new/en/turkey2017/2017-turkey-swing.png

I see. But, about the syrians, what do you think? If syrians leave their faith and religiosity, do you think turks could accept them? Marmara talks about this "they are extremists", "only syrians women dress hihab". Is it a racial or religous hate? Or both?

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:04 PM
Erdoğan is the hero of third worlders.

What is the problem? That is be cause he is kind, if not then no one would like him.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 10:04 PM
Turkish diaspora in the West also mainly voted Erdoğan. Bah.

Turkish diaspora in Germany mainly comes from low IQ anatolian rural areas, so whats your point?

Marmara
08-25-2018, 10:05 PM
What is the problem? That is be cause he is kind, if not then no one would like him.

Kind to whom? What do you know about him?

Teutone
08-25-2018, 10:06 PM
I see. But, about the syrians, what do you think? If syrians leave their faith and religiosity, do you think turks could accept them? Marmara talks about this "they are extremists", "only syrians women dress hihab". Is it a racial or religous hate? Or both?

Huh? Their faith is the reason they are welcomed by Erdogan and islamist Turks, so I dont understand your point.

And I think an educated Turk will realize the fact that acceptiing 3mio people from a different ethnicity with a different mentallity, education, language and values can only cause problems.

Nattens Madrigal
08-25-2018, 10:06 PM
...

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:06 PM
Turkish diaspora in Germany mainly comes from low IQ anatolian rural areas, so whats your point?

Hahahahaha even your best friend Danielion agreed with me haha who is the "troll" now?

Nattens Madrigal
08-25-2018, 10:06 PM
Do you think Marmara and others anti-immigrants are really the most in Turkey? If syrians leave their religiosity and faith in quram, everybody would accept them.

NO!
Its not about religion its about dangers of mass immigration effect for us.Letting more than 5 million people into country without proper checking who even cant speak the language is one of most dangerous thing.They don't have proper house,food,clothes and they escpae from war.They are hopeless and they can do anything for survive.You know we have familys as well.I am not against this because begin them Syrians.If Erdogan takes more than 5 million Ukrainians,i would also oppese them.I know its bad situation but its really bad for us as well.Mass immigration causes very bad effect for host country.Also Erdogans goal for being leader for Islam world is another reasons he takes refugees on purpose.Lebanon went civil war for more than 15 years beacuse of Palestians immigration.I believe a nation should take care their people first.

Dandelion
08-25-2018, 10:07 PM
Turkish diaspora in Germany mainly comes from low IQ anatolian rural areas, so whats your point?

That the most pro-Erdoğan people live in an anti-Erdoğan society. Not everything needs to be a point. Also notice how Bosniak diaspora on TA also tend to like Erdoğan.

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 10:07 PM
What is the problem? That is be cause he is kind, if not then no one would like him.

Marmara has reason toward you. You spoke about you drepression in other thread (I cant remember now); you seem to have mental issues dude. Now you say leave the budism for the cristianity...

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:09 PM
Kind to whom? What do you know about him?

He banned American Iphones in Turkish market. It helps to valorizate Turkish products. It show he is inteligent and pro-active, not like our latino leaders that only care about themselve and do nothing for the country

Teutone
08-25-2018, 10:10 PM
That the most pro-Erdoğan people live in an anti-Erdoğan society. Not everything needs to be a point. Also notice how Bosniak diaspora on TA also tend to like Erdoğan.

They have a feeling of ummah (islamic unity) but are aware of the fact that the islamic world hasnt contributed anything to mankind for several thousand years.

The only predominantly islamic country that was succesful on several basis was and still is Turkey due to strict reforms done by Atatürk

They think Erdogan can make the ummah great, while they dont realize they wont solve the problems they are facing by going back to wahabism.

Marmara
08-25-2018, 10:11 PM
:picard1:

Anyway, let's stick to the subject.

How well do you think Erdoğan brings Turkey and Europe together?

How can we make Europeans like Erdogan?

How good would it be for EU to have Turkey with Erdoğan leading it?

Dandelion
08-25-2018, 10:11 PM
Marmara think Erdoğan is the greatest Turkish leader. The greatest European leader is Frau Merkel, however.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 10:11 PM
He banned American Iphones in Turkish market. It helps to valorizate Turkish products. It show he is inteligent and pro-active, not like our latino leaders that only care about themselve and do nothing for the country

There are no turkish smartphones, they will just buy samsungs, sony, LG or american blackberries.

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:12 PM
Marmara has reason toward you. You spoke about you drepression in other thread (I cant remember now); you seem to have mental issues dude. Now you say leave the budism for the cristianity...

I never was buddhist in fact, i only said that to show Teutone that non-christians are humans too but he still disagrees it seens... And i don't have much depression any more, i am taking medications and i not a mental issue, i think

Marmara
08-25-2018, 10:13 PM
Marmara think Erdoğan is the greatest Turkish leader. The greatest European leader is Frau Merkel, however.

I think Erdoğan is the greatest European leader.

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:14 PM
:picard1:

Anyway, let's stick to the subject.

How well do you think Erdoğan brings Turkey and Europe together?

How can we make Europeans like Erdogan?

How good would it be for EU to have Turkey with Erdoğan leading it?

EU is controlated by the neoliberal Germany and most of the countryes of the EU are neoliberal, if the Turkey of rdogan entries EU, it will be more democratic, with different ideologies

Bornoz
08-25-2018, 10:15 PM
There are no turkish smartphones, they will just buy samsungs, sony, LG or american blackberries.

There are actually :lol:

Teutone
08-25-2018, 10:15 PM
I never was buddhist in fact, i only said that to show Teutone that non-christians are humans too but he still disagrees it seens... And i don't have much depression any more, i am taking medications and i not a mental issue, i think

Where I said that non christians are no humans?

I speak with respect to atheist members here like Danielion or Marmara that are Atheist and are capable of having normal discussions with some depth, which is very rare on TA.

Also in the Islam section of this Foum I asked alot of thinks about Islam, show me any thread where I disrespcted Wadaad.

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 10:16 PM
Huh? Their faith is the reason they are welcomed by Erdogan and islamist Turks, so I dont understand your point.

And I think an educated Turk will realize the fact that acceptiing 3mio people from a different ethnicity with a different mentallity, education, language and values can only cause problems.

I see. Erdogan use these syrians as maneuver mass to his politics. It is a huge issue too. My point it, how much these islamist Turks impact in Turkey? In my mind, Turks (the most) are soft muslins (more tendind to liberal values).

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:16 PM
There are no turkish smartphones, they will just buy samsungs, sony, LG or american blackberries.

But they cannot buy it from American now but they can buy from Chinese, other great example of a equalitary country.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 10:17 PM
EU is controlated by the neoliberal Germany and most of the countryes of the EU are neoliberal, if the Turkey of rdogan entries EU, it will be more democratic, with different ideologies

The most conservative leaders like Kurz, Orban or Salvini are even more against Turkey in the EU than Merkel.

Merkel made deals with erdogan, she thinks about financial help for him right now

Josonaro, you disqualify yourself by the lack of basic knowlege when it comes to European politics

I dont speak about Brazilian politics here since I dont know shit about it, take an example to that.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 10:18 PM
There are actually :lol:

Really?

TürkPhone?

Marmara
08-25-2018, 10:19 PM
The most conservative leaders like Kurz, Orban or Salvini are even more against Turkey in the EU than Merkel.

Merkel made deals with erdogan, she thinks about financial help for him right now

Josonaro, you disqualify yourself by the lack of basic knowlege when it comes to European politics

I dont speak about Brazilian politics here since I dont know shit about it, take an example to that.

They are against because they are racist nazis.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 10:19 PM
But they cannot buy it from American now but they can buy from Chinese, other great example of a equalitary country.

I already proved to DarkSecret that the Turkish market is completly irrelevant to Turkey, infact most of the times it was the country where the Iphone was launched several months after the official release.

Turkey is not able to damage the US economy, not even my own country would be capable to do that.

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:20 PM
Where I said that non christians are no humans?

I speak with respect to atheist members here like Danielion or Marmara that are Atheist and are capable of having normal discussions with some depth, which is very rare on TA.

Also in the Islam section of this Foum I asked alot of thinks about Islam, show me any thread where I disrespcted Wadaad.

You are making clear here that you won't like Turkey in Europe because of Erdogan, who doesn't nothing except helping the poor muslims that are opressed by the jewish secular state of Turkey, Ataturk himself was a jew. Even though he seemed to be a good guy, he wasn't, like every jew.

Marmara
08-25-2018, 10:20 PM
Really?

TürkPhone?

Vestel Venus.

Catarinense1998
08-25-2018, 10:21 PM
I'm done kkk I think Marmara did this thread to discuss with others turks members, and I created a lot of trouble here. Sorry if I offended someone with something, it isnt my intention. Good chat to everybody.

Marmara
08-25-2018, 10:22 PM
But Vestel Venus isn't a Turkish smartphone actually, so it's not worth discussion.

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:24 PM
The most conservative leaders like Kurz, Orban or Salvini are even more against Turkey in the EU than Merkel.

Merkel made deals with erdogan, she thinks about financial help for him right now

Josonaro, you disqualify yourself by the lack of basic knowlege when it comes to European politics

I dont speak about Brazilian politics here since I dont know shit about it, take an example to that.

But it is different because Brazili is a 3rd world country, whil Germany is 1st world country. So German politics is always on the news and since politics is a very interesting thing, an average joe would know a lot about German politics. I know that Merkel maybe likes Erdogan but the German people does not, just like you, you don't like him

Teutone
08-25-2018, 10:24 PM
You are making clear here that you won't like Turkey in Europe because of Erdogan, who doesn't nothing except helping the poor muslims that are opressed by the jewish secular state of Turkey, Ataturk himself was a jew. Even though he seemed to be a good guy, he wasn't, like every jew.

Jewish AND secular?

You contradict yourself in the first sentence, if a country is JEWISH influenced therfor influenced and controlled by a religion, how can it be secular?

Teutone
08-25-2018, 10:24 PM
But it is different because Brazili is a 3rd world country, whil Germany is 1st world country. So German politics is always on the news and since politics is a very interesting thing, an average joe would know a lot about German politics. I know that Merkel maybe likes Erdogan but the German people does not, just like you, you don't like him

But you proven that you lack complete basic knowledge.

Bornoz
08-25-2018, 10:26 PM
Şöyle şarkımızı söyleyelim o zaman ellere inat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26b0NV5WHKY

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:28 PM
Jewish AND secular?

You contradict yourself in the first sentence, if a country is JEWISH influenced therfor influenced and controlled by a religion, how can it be secular?

Israel is sionist but is a secular state. So nothing contraditory

Marmara
08-25-2018, 10:29 PM
But you proven that you lack complete basic knowledge.

Why do you think Erdogan is incompatible with Europe?

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:29 PM
Why do you think Erdogan is incompatible with Europe?

Because of neo-nazism and false christianity

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:31 PM
Şöyle şarkımızı söyleyelim o zaman ellere inat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26b0NV5WHKY

Onu sevdim, büyük lideri, Erdoğan'a uzun ömür!

Nattens Madrigal
08-25-2018, 10:33 PM
Şöyle şarkımızı söyleyelim o zaman ellere inat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26b0NV5WHKY

"bdp başkaa tünellerrlee uğraşıyooor."
özlemişim ahahahah :D

Teutone
08-25-2018, 10:39 PM
Why do you think Erdogan is incompatible with Europe?

He doesnt share European Values

He intervened in domestic politics of EU member states

He crippled the human rights of Turkey, he opresses freedom of press, he opresses poltical opponents and the Lira proves that Turkey is not capable of aceppting the EURO as currency.

Marmara
08-25-2018, 10:43 PM
He doesnt share European Values

He intervened in domestic politics of EU member states

He crippled the human rights of Turkey, he opresses freedom of press, he opresses poltical opponents and the Lira proves that Turkey is not capable of aceppting the EURO as currency.

I wonder why he fails to see it, or doesn't want to, he is lost case, he would come here talk about how Erdogan in one speech said that he respects secularism and that he could have brought sharia already if he wanted (he couldn't but he is on that way), that the fall of Lira is just an American scheme.

Above all he really sees Turkey an European country and Erdogan as someone who brings Turkey and Europe closer.

He would probably call you just a racist nazi.

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:49 PM
He doesnt share European Values

He intervened in domestic politics of EU member states

He crippled the human rights of Turkey, he opresses freedom of press, he opresses poltical opponents and the Lira proves that Turkey is not capable of aceppting the EURO as currency.

"He doesn't share European values", far-right wingers have always the same excuse to hate someone :picard1:

Tooting Carmen
08-25-2018, 10:51 PM
"He doesn't share European values", far-right wingers have always the same excuse to hate someone :picard1:

Well actually, I agree that Erdogan is a tyrant and thanks to him Turkey has gone backwards in many ways. All the same, you do have a point though. It is all the more ironic when you consider how Hitler, Mussolini and Franco precisely repudiated what they saw as "decadent Western values".

Marmara
08-25-2018, 10:51 PM
Well actually, I agree that Erdogan is a tyrant and thanks to him Turkey has gone backwards in many ways. All the same, you do have a point though. It is all the more ironic when you consider how Hitler, Mussolini and Franco precisely repudiated what they saw as "decadent Western values".

Why are you happy that Turkey gone backward?

Joso
08-25-2018, 10:52 PM
Well actually, I agree that Erdogan is a tyrant and thanks to him Turkey has gone backwards in many ways. All the same, you do have a point though. It is all the more ironic when you consider how Hitler, Mussolini and Franco precisely repudiated what they saw as "decadent Western values".

Another friend that can see my point!

Tooting Carmen
08-25-2018, 10:52 PM
Why are you happy that Turkey gone backward?

Of course I am not happy that it has. What makes you think that? Istanbul is one of my favourite cities btw.

Marmara
08-25-2018, 10:54 PM
Of course I am not happy that it has. What makes you think that? Istanbul is one of my favourite cities btw.

Oh I'm sorry, there are some people who hates Turks so they are happy with Erdogan, I mistook your obviously ironical "thanks to him.."

Tooting Carmen
08-25-2018, 10:55 PM
Oh I'm sorry, there are some people who hates Turks so they are happy with Erdogan, I mistook your obviously ironical "thanks to him.."

In English, when we say "thanks to him/her..." to mean "because of him/her..." it doesn't necessarily mean we're praising that person.

Teutone
08-25-2018, 11:30 PM
Well actually, I agree that Erdogan is a tyrant and thanks to him Turkey has gone backwards in many ways. All the same, you do have a point though. It is all the more ironic when you consider how Hitler, Mussolini and Franco precisely repudiated what they saw as "decadent Western values".

What a clown you are.

From Macron to Merkel and Orban everyone agrees that European values are the most connecting aspect of EU member states.

Dont use an strawman argument and bring up Hitler and Mussolini when they got nothing to do with the situation.

I mean thats basically everything the radical left can come up with when they out of arguments, bring up Hitler and the 1930s.

We have a different reality and politcal situation in the year 2018, believe it or not.

Tooting Carmen
08-25-2018, 11:34 PM
What a clown you are.

From Macron to Merkel and Orban everyone agrees that European values are the most connecting aspect of EU member states.

Dont use an strawman argument and bring up Hitler and Mussolini when they got nothing to do with the situation.

I mean thats basically everything the radical left can come up with when they out of arguments, bring up Hitler and the 1930s.

We have a different reality and politcal situation in the year 2018, believe it or not.

I oppose Turkey's entry into the EU too, but the point was I thought you at least partly admired those dictators of the far right?

Teutone
08-25-2018, 11:38 PM
I oppose Turkey's entry into the EU too, but the point was I thought you at least partly admired those dictators of the far right?

Quite the opposite and I stated this many times, I can understand that outsiders always connect a German patriot with Adolf Hitler due to our history, but the same time I can see that people who dont make this connection are smart enough and worth to have a conversation with.

And the topic is Erdogan and the EU.

What is so suprising and far right about that statement, that European values should be mandatory for a nation that joins the European Union which mentions european values on a daily basis?

Tooting Carmen
08-25-2018, 11:39 PM
Quite the opposite and I stated this many times, I can understand that outsiders always connect a German patriot with Adolf Hitler due to our history, but the same time I can see that people who dont make this connection are smart enough and worth to have a conversation with.

And the topic is Erdogan and the EU.

What is so suprising and far right about that statement, that European values should be mandatory for a nation that joins the European Union which mentions european values on a daily basis?

Well I agree with the last point. However, Orban (less so the other two leaders you mentioned) is pretty authoritarian himself, and is probably at the same stage in Hungary that Erdogan was in Turkey about five-six years ago.

Dandelion
08-25-2018, 11:43 PM
Well I agree with the last point. However, Orban (less so the other two leaders you mentioned) is pretty authoritarian himself, and is probably at the same stage in Hungary that Erdogan was in Turkey about five-six years ago.

Many Hungarians don't like the man for those reasons. His external policies are alright, though. Personally I understand the Hungarian melancholy given their messy politics.

Marmara
08-25-2018, 11:44 PM
Well I agree with the last point. However, Orban (less so the other two leaders you mentioned) is pretty authoritarian himself, and is probably at the same stage in Hungary that Erdogan was in Turkey about five-six years ago.

At least he isn't an Islamist, the damage he can cause is far less.

Tooting Carmen
08-25-2018, 11:45 PM
At least he isn't an Islamist, the damage he can cause is far less.

No, but he is a staunch Christian conservative and nationalist, and already there is growing evidence of him suppressing the media and the opposition in Hungary.

Dandelion
08-25-2018, 11:46 PM
Quite the opposite and I stated this many times, I can understand that outsiders always connect a German patriot with Adolf Hitler due to our history, but the same time I can see that people who dont make this connection are smart enough and worth to have a conversation with.

And the topic is Erdogan and the EU.

What is so suprising and far right about that statement, that European values should be mandatory for a nation that joins the European Union which mentions european values on a daily basis?

True. Far right isn't a universal political ideology that's the same everywhere and all with the same geopolitical interests. Erdogan pretty much is a geogolitical enemy of European countries who meddles to much with their internal affairs. It doesn't matter if he's far right or far left, that fact still remains. At least Orban has European interests.

Livin
08-25-2018, 11:46 PM
I still cant get why Turks wanna join EU. xdddd :confused:

The majority of countries inside EU they want to get out btw....

Teutone
08-25-2018, 11:48 PM
Well I agree with the last point. However, Orban (less so the other two leaders you mentioned) is pretty authoritarian himself, and is probably at the same stage in Hungary that Erdogan was in Turkey about five-six years ago.

Thats why the EU is starting a sanctioning process against Hungary right now. If they dont fit the standarts of a EU member state anymore, the EU should take actions, I am totally rational about this situation.

I personally dont like the EU, but I dont have to like it to see that Turkey doesnt fit the Socio-economic standarts of the EU and the EURO.

Dandelion
08-25-2018, 11:50 PM
I can understand pro-EU Turks, but they have to realise that their dream of Turkey joining the EU is unrealistic at best. Too volatile and joining the EU won't change the culture of their larger society indefinitely. Interesting that a person like DarkSecret supports EU accession. I always thought very secular Turks were like that, Ryujin being the strongest proponent of it.

Marmara
08-25-2018, 11:51 PM
I still cant get why Turks wanna join EU. xdddd :confused:

The majority of countries inside EU they want to get out btw....

People like DarkSecret wants it so they would feel better about themselves (being European)

Most of those who want it, so that EU would be a checking power on Turkey and doesn't allow it going the wrong way which is heading right now.

But most Turks don't care, especially Erdogan's supporters, DarkSecret is a special case.

Marmara
08-25-2018, 11:53 PM
I can understand pro-EU Turks, but they have to realise that their dream of Turkey joining the EU is unrealistic at best. Too volatile and joining the EU won't change the culture of their larger society indefinitely. Interesting that a person like DarkSecret supports EU accession. I always thought very secular Turks were like that, Ryujin being the strongest proponent of it.

You should be explaining to DarkSecret why is joining EU unrealistic, and what is wrong with the culture of larger society.

Livin
08-26-2018, 12:01 AM
People like DarkSecret wants it so they would feel better about themselves (being European)

Most of those who want it, so that EU would be a checking power on Turkey and doesn't allow it going the wrong way which is heading right now.

But most Turks don't care, especially Erdogan's supporters, DarkSecret is a special case.

If you want my honest opinion Turkey dosnt need to join EU.

Τurkey is a strong state with great army(one of the best in NATO) and your geographic location plays an important role for NATO countries.Okay,your economy is not the best but still by far better than Greece and other balkan shit states.


Weak and poor countries like Greece needs europe!They lend us and they saved us from economic failure.So,we need and its good for us to stay otherwise the country will fucked up.But for the situation of Turkey i wouldnt suggest it!You are not gonna win anything from joining EU.

Marmara
08-26-2018, 12:05 AM
If you want my honest opinion Turkey dosnt need to join EU.

Τurkey is a strong state with great army(one of the best in NATO) and your geographic location plays an important role for NATO countries.Okay,your economy is not the best but still by far better than Greece and other balkan shit states.


Weak and poor countries like Greece needs europe!They lend us and they saved us from economic failure.So,we need and its good for us to stay otherwise the country will fucked up.But for the situation of Turkey i wouldnt suggest it!You are not gonna win anything from joining EU.

It is not the discussion. I don't even support the accession.

I'm just pointing out the irony that he supports Erdogan and the accession at the same time. While I support European values, but I don't support accession to EU.

Dandelion
08-26-2018, 12:07 AM
You should be explaining to DarkSecret why is joining EU unrealistic, and what is wrong with the culture of larger society.

Well, DarkSecret's stance is plain weird and a mystery to me. One should at least expect to identify with Western culture and ethics.


I meant people like Ryujin, who are the staunchest proponents of Turkey's accession to the EU here. Secular Western-minded Turks in other words, I understand their stance and feel their pain, but sadly for them I believe it stays at ideology not rooted in geopolitical realism. Their dreams might never be achieved in their lifetimes.

Interesting how people often say 'Turkey, if it weren't muslim majority, it'd be accepted long time ago' and they might be right, but not completely. One has to realise that Turkey is a large country (large weight) and despite centuries of diplomacy, culturally very different (very different ethos to ours despite strong Western influences since the late Ottoman era). Often it is said in such a tone as if only 'European bigotry' and 'prejudice' is to blame, while rather political realism is. A Norwegian still has a closer ethics to a Spaniard than both have to a Turk.

Marmara
08-26-2018, 12:11 AM
Thats why the EU is starting a sanctioning process against Hungary right now. If they dont fit the standarts of a EU member state anymore, the EU should take actions, I am totally rational about this situation.

I personally dont like the EU, but I dont have to like it to see that Turkey doesnt fit the Socio-economic standarts of the EU and the EURO.

While you are online, I should talk about levels of brainwashing in Turkey.

There are some diaspora Turkish YouTube channels whom talk about how shit is economy in Germany, and how Turkey is far richer, and how Germans are jealous of Turkey's development.

Teutone
08-26-2018, 12:14 AM
While you are online, I should talk about levels of brainwashing in Turkey.

There are some diaspora Turkish YouTube channels whom talk about how shit is economy in Germany, and how Turkey is far richer, and how Germans are jealous of Turkey's development.

What does that say about the German diaspora nationalist to you?

They live here enjoy welfare while hating on Germany and praise Turkey.

If Turkey is richer, why dont they go there?

I mean how can Turks in Turkey not understand our problem with the turkish immigrants here, when they see how they behave here?

Tooting Carmen
08-26-2018, 12:14 AM
While you are online, I should talk about levels of brainwashing in Turkey.

There are some diaspora Turkish YouTube channels whom talk about how shit is economy in Germany, and how Turkey is far richer, and how Germans are jealous of Turkey's development.

About the only things that are possibly more developed in Turkey than Germany are tourism and the airline industry. (Turkish Airlines nowadays flies to more destinations than any other airline in the world).

Teutone
08-26-2018, 12:17 AM
About the only things that are possibly more developed in Turkey than Germany are tourism and the airline industry. (Turkish Airlines nowadays flies to more destinations than any other airline in the world).

Ehm

Lufthansa - Revenue €35.579 billion

Turkish airlines - Revenue US$ 10.958 billion

Tourism is quite clear tho

Edit: When it comes to destinations, you are right too.

Tooting Carmen
08-26-2018, 12:19 AM
Ehm

Lufthansa - Revenue €35.579 billion

Turkish airlines - Revenue US$ 10.958 billion

Tourism is quite clear tho

Lufthansa has a greater number of flights and passengers, but in terms of the sheer number of destinations served Turkish Airlines is actually number one in the world.

Marmara
08-26-2018, 12:20 AM
What does that say about the German diaspora nationalist to you?

They live here enjoy welfare while hating on Germany and praise Turkey.

If Turkey is richer, why dont they go there?

This is often what they are told. "If Turkey is better, why don't you return lan?"


I mean how can Turks in Turkey not understand our problem with the turkish immigrants here, when they see how they behave here?

A lot of people do see it and admit it inside but not towards everyone.

Because when you admit, other person starts to exaggerate and wants you to accept everything.

It's also the same with Erdoğan in Europe, I hate Erdogan with passion but they exaggerate him too much, as if he is a mix of Kim Jong Un and Al Baghdadi, which creates reaction and forces even opposition to defend him.

Teutone
08-26-2018, 12:20 AM
Lufthansa has a greater number of flights and passengers, but in terms of the sheer number of destinations served Turkish Airlines is actually number one in the world.

Yea but does make it more developed?

Lufthansa just prefers a higher revenue which should be the primarly concern of a company

Tooting Carmen
08-26-2018, 12:22 AM
Yea but does make it more developed?

Lufthansa just prefers a higher revenue which should be the primarly concern of a company

Possibly, but the point is that if you live in Istanbul then nowadays you can fly directly to practically anywhere in the world apart from Oceania.

Teutone
08-26-2018, 12:24 AM
Possibly, but the point is that if you live in Istanbul then nowadays you can fly directly to practically anywhere in the world apart from Oceania.

Well for sure Turkish Airlines is a pretty developed airline company.

Lets hope Erdogan doesnt manage to fuck them up

Dandelion
08-26-2018, 12:24 AM
Hungarians seems to have a pro-Turkey stance, but not a pro-Erdogan one. It's part of their nationalism and their language originally having spread by steppe horde peoples, I guess. Also, if you speak an agglutinating language, than you are Türan. So even Bantu speakrs are Türan. ;)

Teutone
08-26-2018, 12:26 AM
Hungarians seems to have a pro-Turkey stance, but not a pro-Erdogan one. It's part of their nationalism and their language originally having spread by steppe horde peoples, I guess. Also, if you speak an agglutinating language, than you are Türan. So even Bantu speakrs are Türan. ;)

As far I am concerned the Fidez party and Orban are pretty annoyed by the Turan movement.

The Turanist tend to vote the far right jobbik party, and Jobbik started to be pretty harsh against Orban and Fidezs

Marmara
08-26-2018, 12:26 AM
Hungarians seems to have a pro-Turkey stance, but not a pro-Erdogan one. It's part of their nationalism and their language originally having spread by steppe horde peoples, I guess. Also, if you speak an agglutinating language, than you are Türan. So even Bantu speakrs are Türan. ;)

I haven't noticed any pro-Turkey stance from ordinary Hungarians.

Tooting Carmen
08-26-2018, 12:26 AM
Well for sure Turkish Airlines is a pretty developed airline company.

Lets hope Erdogan doesnt manage to fuck them up

Turkish Airlines has been mostly privatised, so he won't have too much of an effect on them. Anyway, here is a list of destinations from Ataturk Airport (the airline's main base): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Atat%C3%BCrk_Airport#Airlines_and_destina tions

Marmara
08-26-2018, 12:28 AM
Turkish Airlines has been mostly privatised, so he won't have too much of an effect on them. Anyway, here is a list of destinations from Ataturk Airport (the airline's main base): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Atat%C3%BCrk_Airport#Airlines_and_destina tions

This year we're finishing the reconstruction of biggest Airport in the world and beat the Germans :D

Teutone
08-26-2018, 12:28 AM
Turkish Airlines has been mostly privatised, so he won't have too much of an effect on them. Anyway, here is a list of destinations from Ataturk Airport (the airline's main base): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Atat%C3%BCrk_Airport#Airlines_and_destina tions

Turkish Airlines and any other company based in Turkey is affacted by the fall of the Lira and the Turkish economy in general, for sure Turkish Airlines operates internationally but like any other turkish company they probably borrowed money in foreign currencies.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/grantmartin/2018/08/15/weak-turkish-currency-pushes-down-business-class-fares-from-istanbul/#58f203df1022

Dandelion
08-26-2018, 12:29 AM
I haven't noticed any pro-Turkey stance from ordinary Hungarians.

Well, more like a mild infatuation for Turkish people. On this forum it's a common stance at least. Nothing wrong with it even if based on a myth.

İrle
08-26-2018, 12:32 AM
I haven't noticed any pro-Turkey stance from ordinary Hungarians.

There are many I'd say. Hungarians can be the nation with most positive attitude against Turks in whole Europe. Considering the reputation of Turkey in Europe, that's still something.

Tooting Carmen
08-26-2018, 12:33 AM
Turkish Airlines and any other company based in Turkey is affacted by the fall of the Lira and the Turkish economy in general, for sure Turkish Airlines operates internationally but like any other turkish company they probably borrowed money in foreign currencies.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/grantmartin/2018/08/15/weak-turkish-currency-pushes-down-business-class-fares-from-istanbul/#58f203df1022

Very true, but there is too much at stake not just for Turkey but for several countries if it goes bust. In particular Israelis, Eastern Europeans and Central Asians heavily depend on it to connect them to otherwise remote destinations (Israel still doesn't have flights to most MENA and even many Asian and African countries for diplomatic reasons, while Eastern Europe and Central Asia are still mostly regarded as peripheral when it comes to the global airline industry).

Teutone
08-26-2018, 12:35 AM
Very true, but there is too much at stake not just for Turkey but for several countries if it goes bust. In particular, Israelis, Eastern Europeans and Central Asians heavily depend on it to connect them to otherwise remote destinations (Israel still doesn't have flights to most MENA and even many Asian and African countries for diplomatic reasons, while Eastern Europe and Central Asia are still mostly regarded as peripheral when it comes to the global airline industry).

Turkish Airlines is for sure a very big player and great company.

DarkSecret
08-26-2018, 07:27 AM
He sounds like the regular diaspora nationalist Turk in western Europe

You sound like regular peasant Germans I met in Turkey.

DarkSecret
08-26-2018, 07:39 AM
Marmara and the others are sadly not a mayority in Turkey, they are only a mayority in the parts of Turkey that actually contribute the the turkish economy and brain capacity.

The most erdogan voters and supporters come from low income, low IQ, rural areas.

http://www.allfantasysports.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/iq-map-world-iq-regions-of-turkey-oc1024x626-mapporn-1024-x-626-pixels.png

https://www.electoralgeography.com/new/en/turkey2017/2017-turkey-swing.png

You don't even have the brain to interpret statistical data you share, do you? There is no correlation between the two data obviously... Stop trolling or go to a free community college in Germany for at least learning how to interpret basic statistical data.

DarkSecret
08-26-2018, 07:41 AM
Turkish Airlines is for sure a very big player and great company.

Yes. You were even jealous about that too. Merkel offered a joint company made by Lufthansa and Turkish Airlines but it would be stupid to accept that since Lufthansa is nothing compared to Turkish Airlines.

DarkSecret
08-26-2018, 07:47 AM
There are no turkish smartphones, they will just buy samsungs, sony, LG or american blackberries.

There is Vestel Venus you ignorant dipshit. Erdogan said you can use Samsung or Venus on the video I shared. But you don't even care about proofs and posts that can enlighten you. You are probably brainwashed by anti-Erdogan zionist media in Germany. Most of Germans I know in Germany are aware of the manipulation about Turkey and Erdoğan. But again, they are not peasants like you.

DarkSecret
08-26-2018, 07:55 AM
I already proved to DarkSecret that the Turkish market is completly irrelevant to Turkey, infact most of the times it was the country where the Iphone was launched several months after the official release.

Turkey is not able to damage the US economy, not even my own country would be capable to do that.

It is because your country was bound by outrageous and humiliating treaties after WWII and WWI. (How can one try every time and lose? That is some kind of success I suppose...)

I already proved we did affect but you are really blind and deaf... Even Germany supports Erdogan in this case because he is your only hope to oppose USA which you cannot dare to do directly...

DarkSecret
08-26-2018, 08:00 AM
But Vestel Venus isn't a Turkish smartphone actually, so it's not worth discussion.

Ya sanki Samsung Iphone her bokunu kendisi üretiyor. Android Kore'nin mi? Sizden bişe olmaz. Ancak kendi telefonlarınızla dalga geçin. Bir diğer mangafon da actually we have Turkish phones ahahahhahha diye dalga geçmiş. Beyin kıvrımı sıfır.

Thanas Django
08-26-2018, 08:02 AM
Darksecret's dark secret is that he used to be a grey wolf type who supported Turkey to the teeth, but at some point he realised that as a Laz he is not a Turk and started having an identity conflict at the same time he started digging into Laz history in Turkey. He was finally able to compromise his love for his country with absolute admiration towards his president who is of similar origin.

However, just like his president, he does not support the Turkish nation, instead settling for the Islamic and Ottoman identity where you don't have to have Turkish admixture to be in da club. That's the point where he finds common ground with Bosniensis.

At the moment Darksecret is taking monies for posting this shit, and let's hope he doesn't manage to doxx some of the members here because he'd be the first to Stasi his way into privilege in Erdo's Turkey

DarkSecret
08-26-2018, 08:17 AM
As for the Turkish accession to EU, yes we are at some point where we cannot take further steps in EU accession but we won't be the ones who give up. Like a saxophone said in this thread we were not "rejected" by Germany, France or every EU countries we are not the ones who decide to start or end negotiations. If they don't want they can end this process immediately and we shall go to our alternatives as soon as possible. BRICS(T) is waiting for us even if you don't want to accept it... But... We will also leave Customs Union which would ruin German economy... That Teutone saxophone perhaps doesn't know about it at all but maybe he can calculate results of cutting ties completely with Turkey with the help of his primary school math skills... :)

DarkSecret
08-26-2018, 08:20 AM
Darksecret's dark secret is that he used to be a grey wolf type who supported Turkey to the teeth, but at some point he realised that as a Laz he is not a Turk and started having an identity conflict at the same time he started digging into Laz history in Turkey. He was finally able to compromise his love for his country with absolute admiration towards his president who is of similar origin.

However, just like his president, he does not support the Turkish nation, instead settling for the Islamic and Ottoman identity where you don't have to have Turkish admixture to be in da club. That's the point where he finds common ground with Bosniensis.

At the moment Darksecret is taking monies for posting this shit, and let's hope he doesn't manage to doxx some of the members here because he'd be the first to Stasi his way into privilege in Erdo's Turkey

I have never been a grey wolf and I will never be. I was a Kemalist before, a radical one actually. But the Turkish members weren't so happy about that either. What can you do sometimes? Haters gonna hate.

DarkSecret
08-26-2018, 08:28 AM
You Greeks and Germans can only manipulate brainwashed opposing minority Turks not me. Not anymore...

Ryujin
08-26-2018, 02:13 PM
I can understand pro-EU Turks, but they have to realise that their dream of Turkey joining the EU is unrealistic at best. Too volatile and joining the EU won't change the culture of their larger society indefinitely. Interesting that a person like DarkSecret supports EU accession. I always thought very secular Turks were like that, Ryujin being the strongest proponent of it.

There are millions of people who think like me in this country otherwise Turkey would already have been a typical Middle Eastern country.

As long as women keep wearing miniskirts and we keep drinking beer secularism will stand strong in this country. Also not all Erdogan voters are fundamentalists. Many of them blindly follow the leader cult largely due to populist or nationalist influences while pursuing a secular lifestyle. I know them by myself. Erdogan has created a Putin-like cult of personality among his voters but he is not as popular as him since at least the half of society is still opposed to him.

I don't give a shit about small central anatolian rural cities in Turkey. I am living in the third biggest metropolitan city and we proudly defend the heritage of Ataturk.

I am currently in a small Anatolian town. Indeed these people are very Islamic, many Hijabs around and there are only a few places to drink alcohol. However; people DO drink here, although secretly. There are decent amount of shops to buy alcohol. It is fine as long as they drink at home. Also decent amount of women are uncovered. Most of them like Erdogan because they are conservative nationalists.

brennus dux gallorum
08-26-2018, 03:40 PM
You Greeks and Germans can only manipulate brainwashed opposing minority Turks not me. Not anymore...

Opposing minority turks? I made clear that I am on your side since the beginning of this thread

DarkSecret
08-26-2018, 05:49 PM
Opposing minority turks? I made clear that I am on your side since the beginning of this thread

Some Greeks and Germans then. Sorry...

DarkSecret
08-26-2018, 08:08 PM
I am not mentally ill anymore! I was treated successfully a couple of years ago. Now, I am normal.

DarkSecret
08-31-2018, 08:23 PM
Mashallah!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uqSiA06TSE

DarkSecret
08-31-2018, 08:24 PM
Isn't that strange a golden statue of Erdogan just appeared in the middle of a German city? There must be some divine intervention or something!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnWr_iYH2Dc

Thanas Django
08-31-2018, 08:38 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT1F8SL2LSKXGyQiGuYTXMbC29jOIDrE LYfmgkfsFp9HvwNpAno0A

DarkSecret
08-31-2018, 08:40 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT1F8SL2LSKXGyQiGuYTXMbC29jOIDrE LYfmgkfsFp9HvwNpAno0A

Yeah, Germans provided flamethrowers during WWI to the Ottomans.

Thanas Django
08-31-2018, 08:42 PM
.

That's the treatment this stupid statue of a cretin deserves

Thanas Django
08-31-2018, 08:46 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45345516

The German city of Wiesbaden has removed a 4m (13ft) golden statue of Turkey's president after it was defaced with the words "Turkish Hitler".


The statue of Recep Tayyip Erdogan was installed in a square as part of Wiesbaden's Biennale arts festival.

Organisers said they had hoped it would spark discussions linked to this year's theme - "bad news".

Instead, it prompted conflict between Mr Erdogan's supporters and critics. Firefighters moved it on Tuesday night.

City councillor Oliver Franz told the Wiesbadener Kurier newspaper that angry words had escalated into physical scuffles, and "bladed weapons were spotted".

"In agreement with state police, Mayor Sven Gerich decided to have the statue removed as security could no longer be guaranteed," the city's government tweeted.



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol:

DarkSecret
08-31-2018, 11:27 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45345516

The German city of Wiesbaden has removed a 4m (13ft) golden statue of Turkey's president after it was defaced with the words "Turkish Hitler".



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol:

So they likened him to one of their most favorite leaders? Interesting...

The Lawspeaker
12-29-2018, 09:22 PM
The odds of Turkey ever being allowed into the EU are the same as Samoa beating Brazil 30-0 and winning the World Cup.

Tooting Carmen
12-29-2018, 11:32 PM
The odds of Turkey ever being allowed into the EU are the same as Samoa beating Brazil 30-0 and winning the World Cup.

Depends if you mean the Rugby World Cup or the Football World Cup.xD

Ayetooey
12-30-2018, 01:27 PM
I doubt they will ever join, Erdogan pushes them back everyday he's in office. I feel like Turkeys future is more to the east than the west, especially with Erdies links to Putin. The EU is a failed project.

The Lawspeaker
12-30-2018, 01:29 PM
Depends if you mean the Rugby World Cup or the Football World Cup.xD

Football. Of course.

Pandur
01-09-2019, 07:09 AM
Golden Erdogan statues lmfao good waste of that welfare money

Armenian Bishop
01-09-2019, 08:29 AM
In 2015, or thereabouts, I mentioned that the EU repeatedly rejects Turkey, and will continue to do so; strangely, an Armenian guy who called himself "Musso" flatly disagreed, and he said that Turkey had completely lost interest in the EU. Sure enough, a month or 2 later there was more News about Turkey toying with the idea of joining; and now, years later, were still talking about it. So, I guess it's not going away, and discussions about joining will continue for the time being.

Unfortunately, Musso hasn't logged into the Forum for a long time. He was well informed about a lot of issues, in regards to Armenia and Turkey.

KMack
03-20-2019, 12:44 PM
Inside Erdogan's inflammatory rallies: Turkish President shows footage of the Christchurch mosque massacre to incite hatred after sparking diplomatic row by saying anti-Muslim Australians would be 'sent back in coffins'
President Tayyip Erdogan showed the footage during a rally in Eregli, Turkey
Turkish leader also called for the death penalty to be restored for the gunman
He said they will hold the attacker accountable if New Zealand fails to do so
Erdogan previously said anti-Muslim Australians would be sent back 'in coffins'

If New Zealand fails to hold the attacker accountable, one way or another we will hold him to account,' he said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6828449/Turkish-President-shows-footage-Christchurch-mosque-massacre-incite-hatred.html

Odin
12-30-2019, 02:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYv2OFMoDVE