Hallstatt Celt K15 Map Placement (Unexpected)

[PurpleSlander]

This nice Irish lady gave me the DNA kit number for a Hallstatt Celt. I did the Eurogenes k15 map placement and this is what it looks like:
https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/3c5815ca-4bc0-468a-af5a-9bc0bcf66c6d.jpg?client=Trees&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=1333&maxHeight=643

Very Atlantic

[PurpleSlander]

bump

[PurpleSlander]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/72/c1/c372c1e62e78960b73efc7d0d92a3536.jpg

[PurpleSlander]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Hallstatt.png

[JQP4545]

This nice Irish lady gave me the DNA kit number for a Hallstatt Celt. I did the Eurogenes k15 map placement and this is what it looks like:
https://mediasvc.ancestry.com/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/3c5815ca-4bc0-468a-af5a-9bc0bcf66c6d.jpg?client=Trees&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=1333&maxHeight=643

Very Atlantic

Can you post the Gedmatch kit number?

[PurpleSlander]

Can you post the Gedmatch kit number?

Z302274

[Aren]

Very early Hallstatt sample from Bohemia. I seriously doubt this guy was ancestral to any of the surviving Celts during the Roman era.

[PurpleSlander]

Very early Hallstatt sample from Bohemia. I seriously doubt this guy was ancestral to any of the surviving Celts during the Roman era.

I bet he was, considering if you go back 10 generations we all have a common ancestor

[PurpleSlander]

Very early Hallstatt sample from Bohemia. I seriously doubt this guy was ancestral to any of the surviving Celts during the Roman era.

do you know of any other samples?

[Aren]

I bet he was, considering if you go back 10 generations we all have a common ancestor

Not him specifically but any of the Hallstats who were similar to him auDNA wise. I don't think this is what the early Celts looked like tbh. He could be an outlier or it's just Gedmatch not working well for him.

[Aren]

do you know of any other samples?

There's another one from the same site and dated also from the same period. He clustered closer to Brits, but I don't think that sample has been uploaded to Gedmatch.

[TheOldNorth]

This might actually be evidence for the Celts from the west theory, as it may show that the Hallstatt Celts originally came from west franc, and settled in the Alps around the 800's BC, which would also fit with the idea that Celtic is 4000 years old and not ~3000 as most suspect as well as the fact that the Gaels, and Hispano-celts were speaking Celtic with minimum to no contact with the Hallstatt and La Tene cultures!

[Grace O'Malley]

This might actually be evidence for the Celts from the west theory, as it may show that the Hallstatt Celts originally came from west franc, and settled in the Alps around the 800's BC, which would also fit with the idea that Celtic is 4000 years old and not ~3000 as most suspect as well as the fact that the Gaels, and Hispano-celts were speaking Celtic with minimum to no contact with the Hallstatt and La Tene cultures!

Celtic from the West was never seriously considered by most linguists and now with ancient dna it is a non-starter. It looks like Celtic didn't arrive until the Iron age in Iberia at least. More ancient genome studies from other places should clear this up in the future.

This is Davidski's Celtic vs Germanic plot and has Hallstatt on it.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PT0v9gT5FJE/XJWE7FZA7FI/AAAAAAAAHsQ/ZTHz1hAR5Tc3RLCXzyrpuonobPOpUEQywCLcBGAs/s1600/Celto-Germanic_PCA_new.png