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Sikeliot
08-29-2018, 02:18 AM
There is a weird affinity to Iranic peoples, Kurds, Assyrians, etc. and even on one calculator come up as 1/8 Roma Gypsy.

Not sure what this South-Central Asian and Iranic element is, but it is very interesting.

MDLP K16:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.84
2 Neolithic 27.13
3 Steppe 12.04
4 NorthEastEuropean 10.1
5 NearEast 4.4
6 Indian 3.23
7 Oceanic 1.15
8 Ancestor 1
9 EastAfrican 0.98
10 NorthAfrican 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Athens) 3.74
2 Italian (SouthItaly) 5.38
3 Greek (Greece) 5.57
4 Greek (Peloponnes) 5.68
5 Greek (Macedonia) 5.75
6 Sicilian (Sicily) 5.79
7 Greek (Greece) 6.12
8 Greek (Thessaloniki) 6.36
9 Italian (Abruzzo) 6.37
10 Albanian (Albania) 6.58
11 Jew (Ashkenazi) 7.13
12 Jew (Ashkenazim) 7.38
13 Maltese (Malta) 7.83
14 Kosovar (Kosovo) 8.61
15 Jew (Ashkenazi) 9.12
16 Jew (Bulgaria) 9.36
17 Italian (Tuscany) 9.51
18 Jew (Italian) 9.96
19 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 10.04
20 Jew (Turkey) 10.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.2% Italian (Bergamo) + 36.8% Armenian (Armenia) @ 2.43
2 64.2% Italian (Bergamo) + 35.8% Jew (Georgia) @ 2.58
3 61.4% Italian (Bergamo) + 38.6% Georgian (Laz) @ 2.9
4 97% Greek (Athens) + 3% GujaratiC (Gujarat) @ 3.05
5 97.1% Greek (Athens) + 2.9% Punjabi (Lahore) @ 3.06
6 97.2% Greek (Athens) + 2.8% GujaratiD (Gujarat) @ 3.07
7 96.5% Greek (Athens) + 3.5% GujaratiA (Gujarat) @ 3.11
8 96.8% Greek (Athens) + 3.2% GujaratiB (Gujarat) @ 3.12
9 96.8% Greek (Athens) + 3.2% Punjabi (Punjab) @ 3.14
10 97.3% Greek (Athens) + 2.7% Bengali (Bangladesh_BEB) @ 3.15
11 97.2% Greek (Athens) + 2.8% North_Kannadi (Kerala) @ 3.16
12 97.2% Greek (Athens) + 2.8% Bhil (Maharashtra) @ 3.17
13 97.3% Greek (Athens) + 2.7% Chamar (Uttar_Pradesh) @ 3.17
14 97% Greek (Athens) + 3% Gupta (Rajput) @ 3.17
15 96.7% Greek (Athens) + 3.3% Kalash (Khyber_Pakhtunkhwa) @ 3.17
16 97.1% Greek (Athens) + 2.9% Lodi (Pakistan) @ 3.18
17 97.3% Greek (Athens) + 2.7% Madiga (Telangana) @ 3.18
18 97.2% Greek (Athens) + 2.8% Dusadh (Uttar_Pradesh) @ 3.18
19 97% Greek (Athens) + 3% Dharkar (Uttar_Pradesh) @ 3.18
20 97.3% Greek (Athens) + 2.7% Sakilli (Tamil_Nadu) @ 3.18


MDLP K23:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.98
2 European_Early_Farmers 24.10
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 14.58
4 Near_East 10.44
5 South_Central_Asian 7.86
6 North_African 3.36
7 Melano_Polynesian 1.98
8 Subsaharian 1.80


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sicilian_West_ @ 4.779372
2 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 6.767061
3 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 6.939736
4 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 7.003971
5 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 7.697581
6 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 7.844096
7 Ashkenazi_ @ 8.327076
8 Sicilian_East_ @ 8.378768
9 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 8.855899
10 Greek_Northwest_ @ 8.956956
11 Maltese_ @ 9.070123
12 Central_Greek_ @ 9.329567
13 Romanian_Jew_ @ 9.579159
14 Cretan_ @ 9.942412
15 Greek_ @ 10.067780
16 Greek_Athens_ @ 10.093497
17 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 10.166526
18 Italian_Tuscan_ @ 10.279837
19 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 10.445504
20 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 10.724960

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_ +50% Lebanese_Druze_ @ 3.414237


Eurogenes K13:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.12
2 North_Atlantic 22.72
3 West_Med 21.54
4 West_Asian 13.13
5 Baltic 5.52
6 Red_Sea 4.96
7 South_Asian 2.55
8 Sub-Saharan 0.83
9 Northeast_African 0.51
10 Oceanian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 3.78
2 Italian_Abruzzo 4.22
3 South_Italian 6.67
4 East_Sicilian 6.87
5 Central_Greek 7.4
6 Tuscan 7.97
7 Ashkenazi 10.39
8 Greek_Thessaly 10.61
9 Sephardic_Jewish 11.19
10 Italian_Jewish 11.78
11 Algerian_Jewish 12.64
12 North_Italian 14.05
13 Tunisian_Jewish 15.88
14 Libyan_Jewish 16.46
15 Bulgarian 18.52
16 Romanian 19.73
17 Cyprian 20
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.1
19 Portuguese 21.63
20 Spanish_Andalucia 21.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 49.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.03
2 56.4% Spanish_Valencia + 43.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.38
3 51% Spanish_Andalucia + 49% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.6
4 54.3% Cyprian + 45.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.64
5 56.3% Spanish_Valencia + 43.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.65
6 53.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 46.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.74
7 55.4% Spanish_Andalucia + 44.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.78
8 57.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 42.4% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.8
9 52.6% Cyprian + 47.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.89
10 51.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 48.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.92
11 95.7% West_Sicilian + 4.3% Balochi @ 2.94
12 79.8% Tuscan + 20.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.94
13 95.8% West_Sicilian + 4.2% Brahui @ 2.95
14 57.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 42.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.95
15 95.5% West_Sicilian + 4.5% Makrani @ 2.97
16 62% North_Italian + 38% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.98
17 96% West_Sicilian + 4% Sindhi @ 3
18 51.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 48.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.01
19 80% Tuscan + 20% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.01
20 78.7% South_Italian + 21.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.03


Eurogenes K15:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.28
2 West_Med 20.35
3 North_Sea 18.17
4 Atlantic 11.46
5 West_Asian 11.36
6 Red_Sea 4.98
7 Eastern_Euro 3.76
8 South_Asian 2.15
9 Sub-Saharan 1.06
10 Northeast_African 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 10.4
2 East_Sicilian 10.43
3 West_Sicilian 10.61
4 Central_Greek 10.84
5 Tuscan 11.19
6 Ashkenazi 11.24
7 South_Italian 11.45
8 Greek_Thessaly 11.76
9 Italian_Jewish 12.21
10 Algerian_Jewish 14.19
11 Greek 14.56
12 Sephardic_Jewish 14.68
13 North_Italian 15.72
14 Libyan_Jewish 16.71
15 Tunisian_Jewish 18.26
16 Bulgarian 19.54
17 Romanian 20.28
18 Cyprian 20.66
19 Portuguese 21.19
20 Spanish_Extremadura 21.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.4% Italian_Jewish + 26.6% West_German @ 7.57
2 56.7% Spanish_Galicia + 43.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 7.6
3 58.6% Spanish_Galicia + 41.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 7.77
4 57.6% Spanish_Galicia + 42.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 7.82
5 79.8% Italian_Jewish + 20.2% West_Norwegian @ 7.87
6 61.5% Libyan_Jewish + 38.5% French @ 7.92
7 79.2% Italian_Jewish + 20.8% Orcadian @ 7.97
8 51.1% Cyprian + 48.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 7.97
9 71.8% Italian_Jewish + 28.2% French @ 7.98
10 79.4% Italian_Jewish + 20.6% Norwegian @ 8.02
11 77.6% Italian_Jewish + 22.4% Southwest_English @ 8.06
12 69.3% Algerian_Jewish + 30.7% West_German @ 8.08
13 52% North_Italian + 48% Libyan_Jewish @ 8.13
14 57.2% Portuguese + 42.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 8.15
15 68.6% Italian_Jewish + 31.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 8.19
16 57.6% Libyan_Jewish + 42.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 8.2
17 59.1% Portuguese + 40.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 8.22
18 55.4% Spanish_Galicia + 44.6% Samaritan @ 8.26
19 65.9% Tuscan + 34.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 8.3
20 64.4% Libyan_Jewish + 35.6% West_German @ 8.32


Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 31.22
2 Caucasus 26.62
3 North_European 14.53
4 Gedrosia 12.03
5 Southwest_Asian 9.55
6 Northwest_African 4.92
7 South_Asian 0.67
8 Sub_Saharan 0.45

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 C_Italian (Dodecad) 9.57
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.81
3 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11.54
4 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 11.56
5 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.59
6 Sicilian (Dodecad) 11.75
7 Greek (Dodecad) 14.41
8 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.15
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 15.3
10 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 15.41
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 15.82
12 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 16.05
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 16.64
14 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 22.22
15 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 22.86
16 Baleares (1000Genomes) 22.87
17 Canarias (1000Genomes) 22.92
18 Romanians (Behar) 23.02
19 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 23.41
20 Portuguese (Dodecad) 23.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.5% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 40.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.53
2 59.6% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 40.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 1.81
3 54.7% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) + 45.3% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.82
4 59.5% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 40.5% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 1.9
5 57.4% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 42.6% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.94
6 59.9% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 40.1% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 1.94
7 57% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 43% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.07
8 59.8% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 40.2% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.14
9 60.1% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 39.9% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 2.17
10 53.3% Spanish (Dodecad) + 46.7% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.34
11 59.8% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 40.2% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.43
12 60.7% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 39.3% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.53
13 57% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 43% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.53
14 58% Baleares (1000Genomes) + 42% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.6
15 59.6% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 40.4% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 2.63
16 56.6% Murcia (1000Genomes) + 43.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.69
17 57.3% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) + 42.7% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.77
18 59.5% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 40.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.79
19 56% Spanish (Dodecad) + 44% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.84
20 60.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 39.6% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.87


HarappaWorld:

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 29.91
2 Caucasian 26.52
3 NE-Euro 17.37
4 SW-Asian 12.25
5 Baloch 11.73
6 W-African 1.13
7 S-Indian 1.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 tuscan (1000genomes) 9.83
2 tuscan (hgdp) 10.03
3 tuscan (hapmap) 10.32
4 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 10.61
5 ashkenazi (harappa) 10.69
6 morocco-jew (behar) 13.5
7 sephardic-jew (behar) 14.29
8 italian (hgdp) 15.87
9 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 19.93
10 romanian-a (behar) 20.02
11 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 20.21
12 romanian-b (behar) 24.58
13 spaniard (behar) 24.8
14 spaniard (1000genomes) 25.31
15 cypriot (behar) 25.53
16 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 26.04
17 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 26.31
18 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 26.54
19 lebanese (behar) 26.79
20 turkish (harappa) 27.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.3% spaniard (1000genomes) + 41.7% iranian-jew (behar) @ 1.66
2 57.9% spaniard (1000genomes) + 42.1% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 1.77
3 57.5% spaniard (1000genomes) + 42.5% iraq-jew (behar) @ 1.78
4 57.9% spaniard (1000genomes) + 42.1% assyrian (harappa) @ 2.48
5 52.5% georgia-jew (behar) + 47.5% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.64
6 52.7% iraq-jew (behar) + 47.3% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.65
7 51.9% iranian-jew (behar) + 48.1% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.78
8 55.5% spaniard (1000genomes) + 44.5% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 2.88
9 57.7% spaniard (1000genomes) + 42.3% georgia-jew (behar) @ 2.91
10 53.7% iraq-jew (behar) + 46.3% basque (hgdp) @ 3.07
11 52.8% iranian-jew (behar) + 47.2% basque (hgdp) @ 3.12
12 53.5% georgia-jew (behar) + 46.5% basque (hgdp) @ 3.13
13 58.4% spaniard (1000genomes) + 41.6% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 3.14
14 53.7% spaniard (1000genomes) + 46.3% armenian (harappa) @ 3.27
15 52.3% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) + 47.7% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.34
16 53.2% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) + 46.8% basque (hgdp) @ 3.54
17 53.8% spaniard (behar) + 46.2% palestinian (harappa) @ 3.69
18 55.8% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 44.2% basque (hgdp) @ 3.69
19 54.8% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 45.2% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.7
20 52.3% assyrian (harappa) + 47.7% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.76


PuntDNA-L K13:

# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 39.16
2 West_Asia 25.11
3 NE_Europe 17.13
4 SW_Asia 13.01
5 South_Asia 2.66
6 East_Africa 1.99
7 West_Africa 0.68
8 SE_Asia 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Sicilian 4.03
2 Ashkenazy_Jew 4.2
3 Italian_Abruzzo 5.63
4 Greek_Central 6.05
5 Sephardic_Jew 8.49
6 Greek_Thessaly 9.97
7 Albanian 10.68
8 Kosovar 11.95
9 Italian_Tuscan 12.1
10 Turkish 15.23
11 Cypriot 15.42
12 Bulgarian 16.66
13 Macedonian 17.18
14 Turkish_Kayseri 17.64
15 Italian_Bergamo 17.75
16 Turkish_Aydin 17.86
17 Romanian 19
18 Montenegrin 19.99
19 Syrian 20.1
20 Lebanese_Christian 20.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.7% Italian_Sicilian + 11.3% Romani @ 2.93
2 95.4% Italian_Sicilian + 4.6% Kashmir_Pandit @ 3.23
3 96.1% Italian_Sicilian + 3.9% Tamil_Nadu_Brahmin @ 3.26
4 96.2% Italian_Sicilian + 3.8% Bengali @ 3.28
5 80.2% Italian_Sicilian + 19.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.3
6 96.6% Italian_Sicilian + 3.4% UP_Muslim @ 3.31
7 95.7% Italian_Sicilian + 4.3% Punjabi @ 3.31
8 87.7% Italian_Sicilian + 12.3% Bulgarian @ 3.32
9 95.2% Italian_Sicilian + 4.8% Burusho @ 3.32
10 94.6% Italian_Sicilian + 5.4% Pakistan_Pashtun @ 3.35
11 96.7% Italian_Sicilian + 3.3% Gond @ 3.35
12 55.9% Assyrian + 44.1% French_Basque @ 3.36
13 82% Italian_Sicilian + 18% Albanian @ 3.36
14 96.9% Italian_Sicilian + 3.1% North_Kannadi @ 3.36
15 96.8% Italian_Sicilian + 3.2% Chenchus @ 3.36
16 96.8% Italian_Sicilian + 3.2% Kurumba @ 3.36
17 93.6% Italian_Sicilian + 6.4% Tadjik @ 3.37
18 97% Italian_Sicilian + 3% Sakilli @ 3.37
19 96.7% Italian_Sicilian + 3.3% Velamas @ 3.38
20 96.8% Italian_Sicilian + 3.2% Piramalai_Kallars @ 3.38

Hadouken
08-29-2018, 02:21 AM
not a single kurdish shift . and a lot of the things you made in red are south asian and only a few percent at that . you fucking troll

Tauromachos
08-29-2018, 02:21 AM
even on one calculator come up as 1/8 Roma Gypsy.

Hahaha where is Factal?

97% Greek (Athens) + 3% GujaratiC (Gujarat) @ 3.05

Sikeliot
08-29-2018, 02:25 AM
not a single kurdish shift . and a lot of the things you made in red are south asian and only a few percent at that . you fucking troll

Doesn't Kurdish Jewish appear?

Hadouken
08-29-2018, 02:27 AM
Doesn't Kurdish Jewish appear?

yes thats the only one and kurdish jews have a levantine shift . you should stop to put "iranics" and armenians , assyrians etc. in the same category with south asians . I mean what the fuck do you think I am ? stupid ? you say "he has a kurdish , assyrian shift" and them mark the 3% south asian shift as red . are you kidding me or what . you are a really good troll Sikeliot but I have enough of this shit and enough of your fucking agendas . you also abuse your admin status to ban people who get enough of your bullshit . you are running agendas since years now ...give it a rest already

Sikeliot
08-29-2018, 02:29 AM
yes thats the only one and kurdish jews have a levantine shift . you should stop to put "iranics" and armenians , assyrians etc. in the same category with south asians . I mean what the fuck do you think I am ? stupid ? you say "he has a kurdish , assyrian shift" and them mark the 3% south asian shift as red . are you kidding me or what . you are a really good troll Sikeliot but I have enough of this shit and enough of your fucking agendas . you also abuse your admin status to ban people who get enough of your bullshit . you are running agendas since years now ...give it a rest already

The South Asian is a whole other matter, I am referring to higher West Asian/"Gedrosia"/"Balochi" which also exists in this result in most of the calculators compared to what is typical for Sicily. Calm down and stop overreacting.

Hadouken
08-29-2018, 02:30 AM
The South Asian is a whole other matter, I am referring to higher West Asian/"Gedrosia"/"Balochi" which also exists in this result in most of the calculators compared to what is typical for Sicily. Calm down and stop overreacting.

you already made similar threads like this . it doesnt seem to be much of a unique thing . it seems some sicilians just have higher caucasus and/or higher iran neolithic admix

Sikeliot
08-29-2018, 02:34 AM
you already made similar threads like this . it doesnt seem to be much of a unique thing . it seems some sicilians just have higher caucasus and/or higher iran neolithic admix

But their other elements are also different -- low North African, SW Asian, slightly higher North European, etc.

Hadouken
08-29-2018, 02:39 AM
But their other elements are also different -- low North African, SW Asian, slightly higher North European, etc.

whatever sikeliot .

Sikeliot
08-29-2018, 11:28 AM
The reason they plot atypically is they are shifted both toward the Caucasus and toward Northern Europe, but seem to have much less SW Asian/North African/Levantine than what is normal.

Teucer
08-29-2018, 02:40 PM
whatever sikeliot .

Wait, what exactly is bothering you? That Sikeliot lumped the South Asian and Iranian elements together?

Haider
09-07-2018, 06:51 AM
Couldn't they have some actual Romani input?