Odd Lebanese Christian (Greek Orthodox) result. High Ghassanid input!

[Haider]

Levantine Orthodox Christians do shift towards Arabia, but this result is the most outlying one I've seen so far. Notice the very high Red Sea and the shocking complete absence of any kind of European input (Atlantic and whatnot) that other Lebanese tend to usually score at around 10%.

Eurogenes

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 44.84
2 West_Asian 20.28
3 Red_Sea 16.65
4 West_Med 13.55
5 Northeast_African 2.9
6 Oceanian 0.53
7 South_Asian 0.44
8 Sub-Saharan 0.32
9 East_Asian 0.28
10 Siberian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Samaritan 4.67
2 Lebanese_Christian 5.96
3 Jordanian 6.21
4 Palestinian 7.64
5 Syrian 7.84
6 Lebanese_Muslim 8.92
7 Lebanese_Druze 9.12
8 Cyprian 9.97
9 Kurdish_Jewish 11.69
10 Bedouin 11.97
11 Iranian_Jewish 12.67
12 Tunisian_Jewish 14.2
13 Libyan_Jewish 14.42
14 Assyrian 14.45
15 Egyptian 17.53
16 Georgian_Jewish 17.73
17 Saudi 17.82
18 Algerian_Jewish 18.29
19 Italian_Jewish 18.96
20 Yemenite_Jewish 20.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.5% Samaritan + 11.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.21
2 92.4% Samaritan + 7.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.24
3 96.3% Samaritan + 3.7% Abhkasian @ 2.25
4 78.4% Lebanese_Christian + 21.6% Bedouin @ 2.28
5 96.4% Samaritan + 3.6% Georgian @ 2.3
6 90.7% Samaritan + 9.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.34
7 91.9% Samaritan + 8.1% Assyrian @ 2.35
8 95.4% Samaritan + 4.6% Iranian @ 2.37
9 95.6% Lebanese_Christian + 4.4% Somali @ 2.37
10 94.4% Samaritan + 5.6% Armenian @ 2.37
11 95.6% Samaritan + 4.4% Kurdish @ 2.38
12 94.8% Lebanese_Christian + 5.2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 2.39
13 94.6% Lebanese_Christian + 5.4% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 2.39
14 97.4% Samaritan + 2.6% North_Ossetian @ 2.43
15 97.8% Samaritan + 2.2% Makrani @ 2.43
16 97.3% Samaritan + 2.7% Ossetian @ 2.43
17 98% Samaritan + 2% Brahui @ 2.44
18 97.3% Samaritan + 2.7% Adygei @ 2.45
19 87.7% Samaritan + 12.3% Jordanian @ 2.45
20 98.1% Samaritan + 1.9% Balochi @ 2.46


PuntDNAL

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 34.44
2 SW_Europe 29.88
3 SW_Asia 29.1
4 East_Africa 1.86
5 NE_Asia 1.65
6 Oceania 1.37
7 West_Africa 1.05
8 NE_Europe 0.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Samaritan_Jew 4.87
2 Jordanian 5.76
3 Lebanese_Christian 5.99
4 Palestinian 6.43
5 Lebanese_Muslim 6.84
6 Lebanese_Druze 6.87
7 Syrian 7.15
8 Cypriot 11.51
9 Assyrian 11.89
10 Armenian 13.91
11 Egyptian_Copts 14.36
12 Yemeni 14.96
13 Turkish_Kayseri 16.2
14 Egyptian 16.24
15 Turkish 17.57
16 Turkish_Trabzon 17.66
17 Saudi 18.61
18 Azerbaijan_Azeri 19.38
19 Kurdish 20.73
20 Turkish_Aydin 21.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.2% Samaritan_Jew + 36.8% Syrian @ 3.11
2 60.4% Samaritan_Jew + 39.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.24
3 62.9% Samaritan_Jew + 37.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.35
4 81.8% Samaritan_Jew + 18.2% Turkish_Kayseri @ 3.35
5 90.3% Samaritan_Jew + 9.7% Nogay @ 3.39
6 91.8% Samaritan_Jew + 8.2% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.44
7 83.5% Samaritan_Jew + 16.5% Turkish @ 3.48
8 93.3% Samaritan_Jew + 6.7% Afghan_Hazara @ 3.5
9 86.3% Samaritan_Jew + 13.7% Turkish_Aydin @ 3.5
10 57.5% Samaritan_Jew + 42.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.53
11 88.9% Samaritan_Jew + 11.1% Balkar @ 3.53
12 96.3% Samaritan_Jew + 3.7% Anuak @ 3.55
13 96.4% Samaritan_Jew + 3.6% Dinka @ 3.55
14 85.2% Samaritan_Jew + 14.8% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 3.57
15 96.2% Samaritan_Jew + 3.8% Bulala @ 3.58
16 96.3% Samaritan_Jew + 3.7% Sudanese_South @ 3.6
17 59.5% Samaritan_Jew + 40.5% Jordanian @ 3.63
18 92% Samaritan_Jew + 8% Tadjik @ 3.64
19 90% Samaritan_Jew + 10% Kumyk @ 3.66
20 96.6% Samaritan_Jew + 3.4% Gumuz @ 3.73

[Kamal900]

Must have Ghassinid ancestry considering that they too were Greek Orthodox Christians before Muhammed's time.

[Haider]

Must have Ghassinid ancestry considering that they too were Greek Orthodox Christians before Muhammed's time.

It's similar to that Gaza result but without the extra SSA.

[Kamal900]

It's similar to that Gaza result but without the extra SSA.

Which proves the notion that the ancient Ghassinids did not assimilate to other Christian sects of the Levant, and pretty much assimilated to other Greek Orthodox Christians instead.

[Selurong]

Ghassanid loyalists! We will free you! Deus Vult.

[LocoGorilla]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257578-Take-a-look-at-my-desc


the order of yemeni will free all you mindwashed bitches

[Aren]

Not high at all. That’s about as much as the Bronze Age Sidon samples score.

[Haider]

Which proves the notion that the ancient Ghassinids did not assimilate to other Christian sects of the Levant, and pretty much assimilated to other Greek Orthodox Christians instead.

I'm not really a fan of the Ghassanid theory myself, but I cannot see another explanation for this person's result.

Yeah, Levantine Orthodox Christians often shift towards Arabia while other denominations like the Maronites for instance don't.

[Haider]

Not high at all. That’s about as much as the Bronze Age Sidon samples score.

True but Roman-era Levantines would've probably plotted with modern day Cypriots.

[Levant15]

True but Roman-era Levantines would've probably plotted with modern day Cypriots.But even some Samaritans score over 17% red sea.
Check out the those two kits.
T631829
T610600

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[Aren]

True but Roman-era Levantines would've probably plotted with modern day Cypriots.

That would be really odd considering Cyptriots have a really high amount of Anatolian farmer and are quite close to Anatolian Greeks.
Roman era Levant would be a continuation of Sidon_BA + some extra CHG/Iran_N, in other words like modern day Samaritans and Lebanese Christians. Maronites might have more of it due to closer ties with the Syriac churches, whilst the Greek Orthodox might be closer to the Iron Age Canaanites.

[Aren]

As an example with nMonte, a really good fit with

"distance%=1.9682"

Lebanese_Christian

Levant_BA_North,81.2
Armenia_MLBA,18.8

With ancient Mesopotamian samples it would give a more accurate and more relevant fit once we get them.

[Sikeliot]

Another example of how Greek Orthodox Lebanese have no actual Greek ancestors.

[Aren]

Another example of how Greek Orthodox Lebanese have no actual Greek ancestors.

Why would anyone assume that they would have considerable amount of Greek ancestry?

[Levant15]

Why would anyone assume that they would have considerable amount of Greek ancestry?I think some Orthodox Christians and some site trys to claim that they are Greek leftovers.
http://operationantioch.blogspot.com/?m=1

And some claim to be descendants of Ghassanids. I think both claims are BullS**t.

I'm Greek Orthodox. My father side claims to be from Egypt who never mixed outside of their group before and my mother side claim to be Ghassanids.

Tested Y dna on both sides and they both are J1-ZS6262/..... Which proves those stories are total BS. Also autosomal dna is same for both sides which is similar to Samaritans.

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[Hadouken]

"Levant15" . why 15 ? :D why not 16 ?

[Aren]

I think some Orthodox Christians and some site trys to claim that they are Greek leftovers.
http://operationantioch.blogspot.com/?m=1

And some claim to be descendants of Ghassanids. I think both claims are BullS**t.

I'm Greek Orthodox. My father side claims to be from Egypt who never mixed outside of their group before and my mother side claim to be Ghassanids.

Tested Y dna on both sides and they both are J1-ZS6262/..... Which proves those stories are total BS. Also autosomal dna is same for both sides which is similar to Samaritans.

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This is typical MENA ignorance. Most mideasterners have no grasp of their ancestry at all.

I mean in your case("Palestinian" Christian) it's pretty straightforward, early converts to Christianity in a formerly Canaanite speaking region; you guys are obviously gonna be very similar or near identical to atleast the Iron Age Levantines.
We didn't need auDNA to realize this already.
There's(or atleast was) a stigma sprung from propaganda from the muslims of our area to not identify with anything else but Arabs and that all ancient people were Arabs themself. I guess for most Assyrians as we don't speak Arabic(as a mother tongue most of us) and historically didn't even live amongst Arabs, it wasn't hard for my parents who grew up in Iraq in the 70s and 80s to see through this BS and not even consider it to be any way true.
I guess for you guys it might be a bit different cause of the language and maybe the relations between the muslims and christians of Levant were decent so it wasn't a big leap into identifying as being from the same background?

[Levant15]

This is typical MENA ignorance. Most mideasterners have no grasp of their ancestry at all.

I mean in your case("Palestinian" Christian) it's pretty straightforward, early converts to Christianity in a formerly Canaanite speaking region; you guys are obviously gonna be very similar or near identical to atleast the Iron Age Levantines.
We didn't need auDNA to realize this already.
There's(or atleast was) a stigma sprung from propaganda from the muslims of our area to not identify with anything else but Arabs and that all ancient people were Arabs themself. I guess for most Assyrians as we don't speak Arabic(as a mother tongue most of us) and historically didn't even live amongst Arabs, it wasn't hard for my parents who grew up in Iraq in the 70s and 80s to see through this BS and not even consider it to be any way true.
I guess for you guys it might be a bit different cause of the language and maybe the relations between the muslims and christians of Levant were decent so it wasn't a big leap into identifying as being from the same background?Yup they call themselves Arab, the only difference from other Palestinians is religion. I think they invented those stories to assimilate with the Ottomans and not be haunted by them. Being a minority has alot to do with it.


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[Levant15]

"Levant15" . why 15 ? :D why not 16 ?The champion's favorite number. This number has many soccer championships under my name.


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[StonyArabia]

Interesting, well the Ghassanids had never converted to Islam. In fact they did assimilate to the Greek speaking Levantine groups, and probably adopted Greek Orthodoxy. There were other tribes that had some Christian elements but they all converted to Islam for the most part. The Taghlib was another tribe that did not convert to Islam but their location was Mesopotamia, whatever happened to them is a mystery. Unlike the Lakhmids, the Ghassanids were quite loyal to the Byzantines. It's believed that some Bedouin groups such as the Kalbids actually resented the Byzantines and did betrayal, at least this what the Byzantine chronicles show. The Nabateans were actually reduced by the incoming Ghassanids, and they were never truly Christianized, as paganism predominated. The Kalbids also had a grudge and it seemed they were forced into Christianity. The Tayyid tribes however adopted Christianity willingly, but they saw a better opportunity with conversion to Islam, although some branches stayed Christian to this day. The Lakhmids who were Christian and were based in Mesopotamia, had resented the Persian rule, and also wanted to have an Arab unified state. The Lakhmids all converted to Islam, and were helpful allies to the incoming Arab forces. Although some claim Lakhmid descent and are Christian in southern Iraq.

So it's not strange that he is showing this input, he is just reflecting the history of the region.

[dark-mysterio]

This is typical MENA ignorance. Most mideasterners have no grasp of their ancestry at all.

I mean in your case("Palestinian" Christian) it's pretty straightforward, early converts to Christianity in a formerly Canaanite speaking region; you guys are obviously gonna be very similar or near identical to atleast the Iron Age Levantines.
We didn't need auDNA to realize this already.
There's(or atleast was) a stigma sprung from propaganda from the muslims of our area to not identify with anything else but Arabs and that all ancient people were Arabs themself. I guess for most Assyrians as we don't speak Arabic(as a mother tongue most of us) and historically didn't even live amongst Arabs, it wasn't hard for my parents who grew up in Iraq in the 70s and 80s to see through this BS and not even consider it to be any way true.
I guess for you guys it might be a bit different cause of the language and maybe the relations between the muslims and christians of Levant were decent so it wasn't a big leap into identifying as being from the same background?

as much as i dislike arabist propaganda seeing ̶w̶e̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶a̶r̶a̶b̶s̶/there is no "ethnic arabs" muslim or christian in your country (insert a non arabian peninsula middle eastern or north african country) is not a good things (in my own opinion)

and arabist propagenda is not only on christian community since the berbers who are mostly sunni muslim also some what suffered from it