Where did the Quran come from?

[Loki]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Rhj-jF9vo

[Selurong]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Rhj-jF9vo

The Quran is Satanic, ever heard of Mohammad's Satanic verses? We must save Muslims from Islam.

[renaissance12]

From a man who was drunk ?

[1R0N M4N XL]

it came from mohammed who was in cave and spoke to angel named Gabriel .

they claimed to be a descendant of Abraham and ''ishamel''..

the bible says the descendant of ishamel will be wild man and every nation will go against him.. ( this prophecy is very true today)

[Loki]

The Quran is Satanic, ever heard of Mohammad's Satanic verses? We must save Muslims from Islam.

Yes, correct. I wish I could help more Muslims find the truth, they are in bondage, unknowingly.

[Brutus]

Here's an explanation: https://www.al-islam.org/180-questions-about-islam-vol-2-various-issues-makarim-shirazi/43-what-is-myth-gharaniq

Your best resource is a youtube video? Sorry but it's largely false. It is called "Ustoorat al-Gharaneeq" in Arabic, or "myth". It is an unreliable narration.
I largely advise you (in general) to study the Bible first and what's "so reliable" in it before you start bashing other religions, before bashing on other faiths.

[Maintenance]

From satan

[WilliamA]

From a deluded maniac who thought God told him paedophilia and murder are ok

[Kukushka]

From satan

Hoppas du inte bor i Rosengård, xexe

[Maintenance]

Hoppas du inte bor i Rosengård, xexe

Nope lång ifrån.

[Kukushka]

Nope lång ifrån.

Du är mörk för att vara svennebanan

[Maintenance]

Du är mörk för att vara svennebanan

Kanske för att jag är grek.

[Kukushka]

Kanske för att jag är grek.

Haha. Makes sense.
Är du sån blatte som röstade SD eller :P?
https://politifon.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/nimaklippt.png

[Maintenance]

Haha. Makes sense.
Är du sån blatte som röstade SD eller :P?
https://politifon.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/nimaklippt.png

Japp

[Loki]

I largely advise you (in general) to study the Bible first and what's "so reliable" in it before you start bashing other religions, before bashing on other faiths.

Yes, we do study the Bible. It contains the correct guidance from God, that leads to Jesus and the way to eternal life. You should try it...

[Smeagol]

Satan.

[StonyArabia]

The Quran is very similar to the bible, and in many ways more accurate. Thus the bible, Quran, and Torah all have the same roots.

[Loki]

The Quran is very similar to the bible, and in many ways more accurate. Thus the bible, Quran, and Torah all have the same roots.

No, wrong. Here is the difference: The Bible (which contains the Torah) is inspired of God, whereas the Quran is inspired of Satan.

Fact. End of story. And no, the Quran is not very similar to the Bible. It is very different.

[JosephK]

Fact. End of story. And no, the Quran is not very similar to the Bible. It is very different.

Do you keep saying things like this because of these videos?

[Prinses]

No, wrong. Here is the difference: The Bible (which contains the Torah) is inspired of God, whereas the Quran is inspired of Satan.

Fact. End of story. And no, the Quran is not very similar to the Bible. It is very different.

Have you read Quran by yourself to make that statement or do you only believe what's written and said on internet. Just asking, because Quran and Bible do have similarities.

[Marmara]

Islam was actually progressive for its time, especially for the Arab community. Women have right to own propert and divorce their husbands in Islam, also husbands have to pay alimony.

It's just that Islam has not been reformed and now it's very backward compared to modern time.

[Crimson Winds]

. Almost every blame put on Islam has clearly a base on the Torah, but it is true that the Bible is strictly different than the Quran because it is just a touching storybook.

[Loki]

Do you keep saying things like this because of these videos?

What videos? :confused: Do you think my knowledge and faith in God is based on videos??? Don't insult me please.

[Loki]

Have you read Quran by yourself to make that statement or do you only believe what's written and said on internet. Just asking, because Quran and Bible do have similarities.

I have read about the Quran, I have no interest in reading it. They may have superficial similarities, because the Quran sourced things from apocryphal Christian and Jewish writings. But it's superficial.

[Loki]

. Almost every blame put on Islam has clearly a base on the Torah, but it is true that the Bible is strictly different than the Quran because it is just a touching storybook.

What is a "touching storybook"? I know the Quran is a storybook, but it's not touching.

The Bible is the inspired word of God.

[JosephK]

I have read about the Quran, I have no interest in reading it. They may have superficial similarities, because the Quran sourced things from apocryphal Christian and Jewish writings. But it's superficial.

Honestly, man, I really recommend you read the Quran. I'm not just saying that to proselytize you (I'm no Muslim), nor to criticize your lack of awareness, but because of its significance, particularly as it relates to the Bible... It's worth knowing, it's worth reading.

[Loki]

Honestly, man, I really recommend you read the Quran. I'm not just saying that to proselytize you (I'm no Muslim), nor to criticize your lack of awareness, but because of its significance, particularly as it relates to the Bible... It's worth knowing, it's worth reading.

I know enough about it, and to be honest there isn't enough time. There is much to study about the Bible, and I also read apocryphal writings that are of interest. And no, the Quran doesn't relate to the Bible. It is demonic inspired.

Listen... I'm a Christian, and I know that God is real and the Bible carries his message of salvation. This is a fact. I'm not indoctrinated or anything, I know the truth. And I would encourage you to search for Jesus in your life too... because he is real and alive and is the ultimate truth. You will also one day stand before Jesus, and you are required to accept him as your personal saviour in this life already... in the next phase it will be too late. There is hell for those who don't accept him...

[JosephK]

If you're judging things as by the word of God, what makes you think that the Quran is false? Wouldn't that be blasphemy?
The Quran doesn't contradict anything in the Bible... in fact it sheds light on a lot of Biblical events...

[Loki]

If you're judging things as by the word of God, what makes you think that the Quran is false? Wouldn't that be blasphemy?
The Quran doesn't contradict anything in the Bible... in fact it sheds light on a lot of Biblical events...

I know it is false. I have experienced God, I know him.

The Quran doesn't shed light on Biblical events, it offers alternative (false) versions. And yes, the Quran does contradict the Bible, and also in things that matter most... which strongly points to it being a Satanic deception to draw people away from the one true God, Jesus Christ. The Quran denies that Jesus died and rose from the dead. He died for our sins, yours too. Will you accept him or not?

[Tauromachos]

. Almost every blame put on Islam has clearly a base on the Torah, but it is true that the Bible is strictly different than the Quran because it is just a touching storybook.

Unike the Koran the Bible doesn't claim to be the word of God himself written down in literal form but simply a testimony of different
people inspired by God

Prophets in the Old Testament

And disciples of Christ and Apostles in the new.

The meaning of the new testament is to give testamony of Jesus and his live and work but the text is written by the Apostles
and doesn't claime to come directly from Jesus himself or from an Angel

So is the Koran which claims that every single word there is from God himself more credible?

[Antimatter]

We can't even trust the Biblical authenticity as science continues to prove Biblical stories as non-existent. It's better to read the book before judging it, the Quran studies a much deeper case than the Bible does. And it's better explained.

[Loki]

We can't even trust the Biblical authenticity as science continues to prove Biblical stories as non-existent. It's better to read the book before judging it, the Quran studies a much deeper case than the Bible does. And it's better explained.

That's the greatest load of nonsense I've heard in a long time...

[Antimatter]

That's the greatest load of nonsense I've heard in a long time...

Alright. Whatever contradicts a personal opinion is not necessarily loads of nonsense because that's just seen from a singular point of view. Many people will view whatever I said as quite true and I'd like to see what you have to offer.

[Loki]

Alright. Whatever contradicts a personal opinion is not necessarily loads of nonsense because that's just seen from a singular point of view. Many people will view whatever I said as quite true and I'd like to see what you have to offer.

No, what you said was factually incorrect. Nothing to do with personal opinion.

[Antimatter]

No, what you said was factually incorrect. Nothing to do with personal opinion.

What's your actual reference by stating an opinion as "factually incorrect"..

[Loki]

What's your actual reference by stating an opinion as "factually incorrect"..

You said:

"We can't even trust the Biblical authenticity as science continues to prove Biblical stories as non-existent"

You obviously sucked that out of your thumb. It's not true at all.

[Proto-Shaman]

lol

[Cadash]

It came from a Syriac Christian Liturgy worded in Aramaic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Syro-Aramaic_Reading_of_the_Koran
Muhammad also didn't exist. He was invented by Yazid and his descandants, who wanted something fill the vaccum created by the discontent with Byzantine Christianity and Persian Mithratidism and Zoroastrianism.
Read this for more info
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13231290-did-muhammad-exist
Mecca wasn't Mecca, it was some city in Syria. Islam is more accurately a Syrian religion which uses Arabia as its base to show its distance from Byzantine religion and convert its people.

[Vojnik]

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-


What the man in the video failed to mention in regards to this verse in the quran is that the Jews at the time boasted about killing the Christ, the messenger, the Messiah! Now, why would people, such as the Jews ever boast about killing the Messiah? The man they have always been waiting for? Jews believed Jesus was a rebel and blasphemer. Never would they have boasted about killing the Messiah.

One of many quotes in the quran that do not make sense.

[Bosniensis]

What the man in the video failed to mention in regards to this verse in the quran is that the Jews at the time boasted about killing the Christ, the messenger, the Messiah! Now, why would people, such as the Jews ever boast about killing the Messiah? The man they have always been waiting for? Jews believed Jesus was a rebel and blasphemer. Never would they have boasted about killing the Messiah.

One of many quotes in the quran that do not make sense.

Romans never crucified Jesus.

You have it here explained, it was Jews:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QrUZJARYEA

[Vojnik]

We can't even trust the Biblical authenticity as science continues to prove Biblical stories as non-existent. It's better to read the book before judging it, the Quran studies a much deeper case than the Bible does. And it's better explained.

Whats the earliest quranic manuscript you can produce?

[Mikael19]

Whats the earliest quranic manuscript you can produce?

7th century. Time of the prophet pbuh. Its in Yemen and you could check it out yourself.

It has been carbon dated BTW

[Vojnik]

Romans never crucified Jesus.

You have it here explained, it was Jews:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QrUZJARYEA



Yes. I said Jews!

Thats why the verse in the Quran is fake and contradictory to actual world history. Why would the Jews boast about killing the Messiah? They were waiting for the Messiah to come, eagerly.

[Loki]

Romans never crucified Jesus.

You have it here explained, it was Jews:


Cmon, we know what happened..,. Roman soldiers crucified Jesus upon incessant requests from the Jews. There is no need to make up new stories or get revision of what happened. It's all in the Bible, just pick one up and read it. First hand eye witness accounts.

The fact that Jesus was crucified wasn't a mistake. It wasn't a failing of God. It was within the plan of God from the creation of the world. And Jesus knew long before what would happen to him. It was so there could be atonement for the sins of the world, so that we could be forgiven and gain eternal life with him in heaven one day.

[Vojnik]

7th century. Time of the prophet pbuh. Its in Yemen and you could check it out yourself.

It has been carbon dated BTW


Where. Source?

[Mikael19]

I recommend to watch this. Please put your pre assumptions to one side and just make a judgement with a clear head. There is many more videos like this by the way.


https://youtu.be/8TQm_LSNQTc

[Methuselah]

Romans never crucified Jesus.

You have it here explained, it was Jews:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QrUZJARYEA

What do you mean by "Romans never crucified Jesus"? What kind of logic is that? Who put Jesus on the cross if not them? Jesus of course step on many Jewish feet (and was Jewish himself just like his disciples) but so many different people were involved in killing him which was supposed to happen anyway.

[Mikael19]

Where. Source?

Of course.

The Sana'a manuscript, is one of the oldest Quranic manuscripts in existence. It was found, along with many other Quranic and non-Quranic fragments, in Yemen in 1972 during restoration of the Great Mosque of Sana'a. The manuscript is written on parchment, and comprises two layers of text (see palimpsest). The upper text conforms to the standard 'Uthmanic Quran, whereas the lower text contains many variants to the standard text. An edition of the lower text was published in 2012.[1] A radiocarbon analysis has dated the parchment containing the lower text to before 671 AD with a 99% accuracy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Quranic_manuscripts

https://www.scribd.com/doc/130854520/The-codex-of-a-companion-of-the-Prophet-SAW-Benham-Sadeghi-Bergmann

[Methuselah]

I recommend to watch this. Please put your pre assumptions to one side and just make a judgement with a clear head. There is many more videos like this by the way.


https://youtu.be/8TQm_LSNQTc

The Quran is a ripoff of Tanakh. The Bible of Christians is not a ripoff of Tanakh since we keep Tanakh as Tanakh (The Old Testament). We just have the Messiah in the New Testament sealing the deal.

[Mikael19]

The Quran is a ripoff of Tanakh. The Bible of Christians is not a ripoff of Tanakh since we keep Tanakh as Tanakh (The Old Testament). We just have the Messiah in the New Testament sealing the deal.

The guy on the right makes that claim just as you are making. The quran is plagiarised from the previous scriptures. If you actually watch the video you will see he puts that to bed. It's a claim that has been debunked many times.

[Methuselah]

The guy on the right makes that claim just as you are making. The quran is plagiarised from the previous scriptures. If you actually watch the video you will see he puts that to bed. It's a claim that has been debunked many times.

Damn malaria.

[Loki]

The guy on the right makes that claim just as you are making. The quran is plagiarised from the previous scriptures. If you actually watch the video you will see he puts that to bed. It's a claim that has been debunked many times.

No, it's not been debunked. I know for a fact that it is true that the Quran is plagiarised from non-canonical Jewish and Christian texts (not texts used in the Bible), and that is why many, if not most, of the Biblical stories are different from the Bible in detail. If you study it yourself you will see this, regardless of what youtube personalities mahy tell you.

[Vojnik]

Of course.

The Sana'a manuscript, is one of the oldest Quranic manuscripts in existence. It was found, along with many other Quranic and non-Quranic fragments, in Yemen in 1972 during restoration of the Great Mosque of Sana'a. The manuscript is written on parchment, and comprises two layers of text (see palimpsest). The upper text conforms to the standard 'Uthmanic Quran, whereas the lower text contains many variants to the standard text. An edition of the lower text was published in 2012.[1] A radiocarbon analysis has dated the parchment containing the lower text to before 671 AD with a 99% accuracy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Quranic_manuscripts

https://www.scribd.com/doc/130854520/The-codex-of-a-companion-of-the-Prophet-SAW-Benham-Sadeghi-Bergmann



The same Sana manuscript that was found to have two different layers of writing?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnkFp9IZWHY

https://www.answering-islam.org/chinese/images/articles/book31/g004.png

[Mikael19]

No, it's not been debunked. I know for a fact that it is true that the Quran is plagiarised from non-canonical Jewish and Christian texts (not texts used in the Bible), and that is why many, if not most, of the Biblical stories are different from the Bible in detail. If you study it yourself you will see this, regardless of what youtube personalities mahy tell you.

Please, you have made a claim, now back it up with evidence as to why you have made that claim.

[Mikael19]

The same Sana manuscript that was found to have two different layers of writing?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnkFp9IZWHY

https://www.answering-islam.org/chinese/images/articles/book31/g004.png

Which you are implying to mean? I know this claim but again it has no ground. I will try and find the explanation to that.

[Loki]

I recommend to watch this. Please put your pre assumptions to one side and just make a judgement with a clear head. There is many more videos like this by the way.


https://youtu.be/8TQm_LSNQTc

Nobody in their right minds wants to be lectured by a bearded terrorist about the Bible and Quran...

[Methuselah]

No, it's not been debunked. I know for a fact that it is true that the Quran is plagiarised from non-canonical Jewish and Christian texts (not texts used in the Bible), and that is why many, if not most, of the Biblical stories are different from the Bible in detail. If you study it yourself you will see this, regardless of what youtube personalities mahy tell you.

That heated man in the video is a bit off to be honest. He tries to bring solid logic but fails all the time not knowing the basics of Christianity. He said that Matthew and other writers didn't claim to be inspired by Holy Spirit or God. What a dumb claim. They didn't have to make such claims since they literally lived along side God who came down on earth. How they are not inspired by God if they were listening to him.

[The Lawspeaker]

Cmon, we know what happened..,. Roman soldiers crucified Jesus upon incessant requests from the Jews. There is no need to make up new stories or get revision of what happened. It's all in the Bible, just pick one up and read it. First hand eye witness accounts.

The fact that Jesus was crucified wasn't a mistake. It wasn't a failing of God. It was within the plan of God from the creation of the world. And Jesus knew long before what would happen to him. It was so there could be atonement for the sins of the world, so that we could be forgiven and gain eternal life with him in heaven one day.

Do you remember that old (rightfully used) slur people had for Jews ? Christ-killers ! It wasn't an accident that they got that one.

[Loki]

Please, you have made a claim, now back it up with evidence as to why you have made that claim.

It's common knowledge, if you know anything about the Bible and Quran, their stories comparisons... you will find the Quran's aligns with non-canonical texts, and they are at variance with the Bible. You can check it out yourself. There is nothing for me to prove, these are facts.

[Methuselah]

Do you remember that old (rightfully used) slur people had for Jews ? Christ-killers ! It wasn't an accident that they got that one.

Rightfully used? What else is rightful for Catholics? Hiding pedophilia and pagan worship?

[Loki]

That heated man in the video is a bit off to be honest. He tries to bring solid logic but fails all the time not knowing the basics of Christianity. He said that Matthew and other writers didn't claim to be inspired by Holy Spirit or God. What a dumb claimed. They didn't have to make such claims since they literally lived along side God who came down on earth. How they are not inspired by God if they were listening to him.

He's not a bit off, he's a LOT off lol. He's your typical Islamic terrorist trying to force his "religion" on others.

[Methuselah]

Please, you have made a claim, now back it up with evidence as to why you have made that claim.

You have to understand that the foundation you have in Quran was laid down by Jews. Torah was written by Jews. Mohammed didn't even exist at that time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah_in_Islam

[Mikael19]

The same Sana manuscript that was found to have two different layers of writing?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnkFp9IZWHY

https://www.answering-islam.org/chinese/images/articles/book31/g004.png

Have a look at this

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm

[Vojnik]

I recommend to watch this. Please put your pre assumptions to one side and just make a judgement with a clear head. There is many more videos like this by the way.

18:68

Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."


The Muslims claim the Quran is the complete verbatim word of God. Which means that if there is one mistake, the whole quran falls apart. The quote above shows that the Islamic God does not know much if he actually believed the sun sets in dark mud. That one verse alone destroys the quran.

[Mikael19]

You have to understand that the foundation you have in Quran was laid down by Jews. Torah was written by Jews. Mohammed didn't even exist at that time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah_in_Islam

Yes but the two prophets have been sent from the SAME god though correct? Now tell me, what reason would God send prophets and messengers throughout mankind's history? Because they went astray and corrupted gods words, so with God and his wisdom he would send new messengers to remind them of their Lord.

BTW who is prophet isiah talking about in isiah 42?

[lonewolfcypriot]

Do you think it is possible that mohammed was a schizophrenic?
The reason I say this is because schizos usually hear and see things that aren't actually there and Jibril could of just been a delusion.

[Mikael19]

18:68

[/h]
The Muslims claim the Quran is the complete verbatim word of God. Which means that if there is one mistake, the whole quran falls apart. The quote above shows that the Islamic God does not know much if he actually believed the sun sets in dark mud. That one verse alone destroys the quran.

This is actually really amusing. I've also seen this as it ajd been refuted, many Arabic speakers will answer this. Do you actually believe it was implying the sun sets in a muddy water OR it seemed to dhul qarnayn that way? From his point of view. Come. On guys.

[Vojnik]

Which you are implying to mean? I know this claim but again it has no ground. I will try and find the explanation to that.


Well if the Quran is only one word of God and unchanged, then why does that manuscript appear to be written over the top of another script? Anyway, Uthman the caliph burnt a load of different qurans and only kept one. So who knows what the original quran now.

[Mikael19]

18:68

[/h]
The Muslims claim the Quran is the complete verbatim word of God. Which means that if there is one mistake, the whole quran falls apart. The quote above shows that the Islamic God does not know much if he actually believed the sun sets in dark mud. That one verse alone destroys the quran.

Till, when he reached the setting place of the sun…”, means that Zul Qarnain followed a route until he reached the furthest point that could be reached in the direction of the sun’s setting, which is the west of the earth. As for the idea of his reaching the place in the sky where the sun sets, this is something impossible, and the tales told by storytellers that he traveled so far to the west that the sun set behind him are not true at all. Most of those stories come from the myths of the People of the Book and the fabrications and lies of their heretics.

“he found it setting in a muddy spring…”means that he saw the sun as if it were setting in the ocean. This is something that everyone who goes to the coast or beach can see: it looks as if the sun is setting into the sea, but in fact it never leaves its path in which it is fixed. The muddy spring or hami’ahis derived from the word hama’ah which means ‘mud’.

In his commentary on the story referred to in the Qur’anic verse, the prominent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states the following:

“Indeed, the Qur’an is not a historical book where events are mentioned with their exact places and times. Rather, Allah mentions stories in the Qur’an so as to derive lessons from them both in present and future times.

Allah mentions that the story of Zul Qarnain in the Qur’an so as to derive lessons from it. The Qur’an itself did not mention who Zul Qarnain is. Also, there is no detailed explanation to his story. Where exactly did he go? To the east or to the west? There is not any mention of the people he went to. Added to that, there is no mention of names except for those of Zul Qarnain and Gog and Magog. The wisdom behind that is known to Almighty Allah Alone. But again, we are required to draw fruitful lessons from such stories, and we are not required to know every little detail about the minute incidents.”

Moreover, Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi,Director of the Islamic Society of Orange County, Garden Grove, California and former President of the Islamic Society of North America, gives the following counter argument:

“The author of the flyer refers to the story of an ancient ruler mentioned in the Qur’an in Surat Al-Kahf. The Qur’an says that this ruler named Zul Qarnain traveled to distant lands. He went westward to a distant land near the ocean and he saw the sun was setting there in a murky pond. The translation of the Qur’anic words are “Till, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring…” (Al-Kahf 18:86). The author of this flyer took this literally and objected, how could God say that the sun was setting in a murky pond? He considered this a “foolish and false statement” and a proof that the Qur’an was not the word of God and that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was not God’s Prophet.

In the New Testament, Jesus is reported to have said about the Queen of Sheba that she came from the ends of the earth (Matthew 12:42; Luke 11:31). Would the author also say that Jesus’ words were also foolish and false and would he reject him also? Obviously, we know that the Queen Sheba did not come from the ends of the earth. Yemen is not the end of the earth. The author would say that Jesus spoke metaphorically. We say the same thing, that in the story of Zul Qarnain, God spoke metaphorically.

The author claims that “the great Islamic scholars (such as Tabari, Zamakhshari, Baydawi, Jalalain, etc.) took this literally.” This is not correct. The fact is that most of the commentators of the Qur’an do not take it literally. Most of them explain that “the sunappeared to him as if it was setting in murky water.” The famous commentators of the Qur’an Jalalain say, “fi ra’y al-`ayn wa illa fahiya a’zamo min ad-dunya” meaning“it appeared to his own eyes otherwise the sun is bigger than the earth.”

The Qur’anic statement is clearly metaphorical, and this is the way it has been understood by most of the classical and modern commentators of the Qur’an.

[Smaug]

From the deepest pits of hell!

[Vojnik]

Do you think it is possible that mohammed was a schizophrenic?
The reason I say this is because schizos usually hear and see things that aren't actually there and Jibril could of just been a delusion.


Possessed by the devil maybe.

God would have spoken directly to his supposed "most important prophet".

Ever heard of the satanic verses?


Sura an-Najm (Star) 53:19-22


Now tell me about Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat,
The third one, another goddess.
What! For you the males and for him the females!
That indeed is an unfair division.





Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, Manat are three pagan Arab goddesses mentioned in the Quran.

https://www.booksfact.com/images/2016/01/al-lat_al-uzza_manat.jpg

[Nazarene]

https://youtu.be/nNAS0aaViM4

[Mikael19]

Well if the Quran is only one word of God and unchanged, then why does that manuscript appear to be written over the top of another script? Anyway, Uthman the caliph burnt a load of different qurans and only kept one. So who knows what the original quran now.

I will tell you how.

First of all uthaman the caliph knew the prophet pbuh personally. Secondly, Arabic speakers will tell you the differehce in recitation, not text. When the prophet would recieve revelation, he would gather many people to record what he was saying as well orally transmitting it to many people. Once the verse came out, there was no going back. People would memorise the verses and so on. Becsude the message was growing at a very fast rate to places where the Arabic dialect changed or even areas where Arabic wasn't even spoken, they had to standardise one version of the quran in its Recitation. Not the text. Again you can research this.

[Vojnik]

Allah in the Quran thinks Christians believe in three Gods! Allah doesn't even know what Christians believe! He was obviously not all powerful if he doesn't even know something so simple about Christians.

[Vojnik]

I will tell you how.

First of all uthaman the caliph knew the prophet pbuh personally. Secondly, Arabic speakers will tell you the differehce in recitation, not text. When the prophet would recieve revelation, he would gather many people to record what he was saying as well orally transmitting it to many people. Once the verse came out, there was no going back. People would memorise the verses and so on. Becsude the message was growing at a very fast rate to places where the Arabic dialect changed or even areas where Arabic wasn't even spoken, they had to standardise one version of the quran in its Recitation. Not the text. Again you can research this.


Who cares about all this stuff. About how he transmitted his visions or whatever. The problem is with the content of the Quran. And the falseness of it. Th Quran fails in many ways scientifically and with it's historic accuracy. Proof that it is not of divine authorship.

Allah was a flat earther conspiracy theorist.


15:19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
20:53 He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky.” With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.
43:10 (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way);
50:7 And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)

[Mikael19]

Possessed by the devil maybe.

God would have spoken directly to his supposed "most important prophet".

Ever heard of the satanic verses?



Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, Manat are three pagan Arab goddesses mentioned in the Quran.

https://www.booksfact.com/images/2016/01/al-lat_al-uzza_manat.jpg

You are a very naive Christian. I say this because again only naive Christians will ever make this claim. Knowledgeable Christians will tell you that satan cannot go against himself, as jesus told you this in your scripture. How can it be from Satan when a) the quran curses the satan b) tells you to seek refuge from him c) gives guidance to you away from Satan d) reminds you that God is one

Stupid and illogical argument.

[Mikael19]

Who cares about all this stuff. About how he transmitted his visions or whatever. The problem is with the content of the Quran. And the falseness of it. Th Quran fails in many ways scientifically and with it's historic accuracy. Proof that it is not of divine authorship.
You can believe whatever you like but again, if you are going to make a claim, bring your evidence. Please.

[Mikael19]

Allah in the Quran thinks Christians believe in three Gods! Allah doesn't even know what Christians believe! He was obviously not all powerful if he doesn't even know something so simple about Christians.

But Christians will tell you that God is the father, holy spirit and the son. They are a triune God.

[Mikael19]

https://youtu.be/hh4pU-jO6Hs

[Methuselah]

Yes but the two prophets have been sent from the SAME god though correct? Now tell me, what reason would God send prophets and messengers throughout mankind's history? Because they went astray and corrupted gods words, so with God and his wisdom he would send new messengers to remind them of their Lord.

BTW who is prophet isiah talking about in isiah 42?

No, not the same God obviously. Our God sent Jesus who never killed people and preached about loving people. Muhammad is not a prophet but just a possible person who was involved in killing people. Our Messiah is not a killer as you see. Again, some people are just born soldiers but this is not who God is. The God of Quran is a brute force which makes the Middle East a battleground. Islamic Golden age was some sort of a time of prosperity but as we see it didn't last for a long time.

The second point is that it's irrelevant if you think that two prophets came from the same God. Jews still wrote the Torah Quran is based on. Regardless of what happened later Arabs didn't write the foundation. It's the same thing that Mormons are doing. They just took things already written and add their own twists to make Joseph Smith glorious and some sort of a holy person. Their book is a ripoff as well. This is very simple.

Here are some prophecies coming true.
https://i.ibb.co/gwWKZ2w/Prophecy-About-Jesus.jpg

God also told David the Messiah would be from His line (Psalm 132:11/ Jeremiah 23:5-6 /Rom 1:3). This means that the Messiah has to be of Jewish descent. Mohammed was born from the line of Ishmael or Esau. But obviously not from the Jewish line. Jerusalem is Jewish and used to be the holiest place for Muhammed as well. He changed the direction they used to bow to.

[Vojnik]

But Christians will tell you that God is the father, holy spirit and the son. They are a triune God.

Never have Christians believed in three Gods. only one God. If someone believes in three Gods, they are not a Christian. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. Muslims fail to get there head around it because they a blind.

Allah claimed something that Christians never believed. Allah failed to make a correct statement.

[Mikael19]

People are ready to pounce on Islam, by all means you can believe whatever you like nor do I care, but please if you are going to make a claim, atleast have some decent to back it up with some reasonal logical evidence. Otherwise you just seem insincere with an agenda.

[Vojnik]

People are ready to pounce on Islam, by all means you can believe whatever you like nor do I care, but please if you are going to make a claim, atleast have some decent to back it up with some reasonal logical evidence. Otherwise you just seem insincere with an agenda.

Crazy. Everyone here making claims have given you evidence. In the form of verses from your own book and other sources.

[Vojnik]

Mikael. Watch abit of Bob from speakers corner. The muslim dawah team are liars.

[Mikael19]

No, not the same God obviously. Our God sent Jesus who never killed people and preached about loving people. Muhammad is not a prophet but just a possible person who was involved in killing people. Our Messiah is not a killer as you see. Again, some people are just born soldiers but this is not who God is. The God of Quran is a brute force which makes the Middle East a battleground. Islamic Golden age was some sort of a time of prosperity but as we see it didn't last for a long time.

The second point is that it's irrelevant if you think that two prophets came from the same God. Jews still wrote the Torah Quran is based on. Regardless of what happened later Arabs didn't write the foundation. It's the same thing that Mormons are doing. They just took things already written and add their own twists to make Joseph Smith glorious and some sort of a holy person. Their book is a ripoff as well. This is very simple.

Here are some prophecies coming true.
https://i.ibb.co/gwWKZ2w/Prophecy-About-Jesus.jpg

God also told David the Messiah would be from His line (Psalm 132:11/ Jeremiah 23:5-6 /Rom 1:3). This means that the Messiah has to be of Jewish descent. Mohammed was born from the line of Ishmael or Esau. But obviously not from the Jewish line. Jerusalem is Jewish and used to be the holiest place for Muhammed as well. He changed the direction the bowed to. Now you are showing your arse to God's place.

Oh please. I said isiah 42. I am not denying that prophet jesus was also prophesied. And wait a moment, of Jesus is God and the way, then surely the god of the old testament is the same God of the new testament, so what about the order of innocents? Sodom and gomorrah? I will pull out those verses in just a moment bear with me. Also you cannot compare jesus and mohammed pbuh on them both, for one, you only know about 3 years of formers life, he wasn't a leader of an empire. Muhammed pbuh was. He was a leader, governor, Islam. Had to protect itself in what was the age of empires.

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Muhammad in the Bible
Home / INTERFAITH / Muhammad in the Bible
Muhammad in the Bible
1 – Introduction
The idea that the Bible contains prophecies about the coming of Muhammad (peace be upon him), may surprise many people. It isn’t difficult to understand why, since the general perception people have of Muhammad is that of a man with no connection to Biblical Prophets or prophecies. However, taking a closer look at Muhammad’s life, it becomes clear that he upheld the basic tenets that the Biblical Prophets came with, and led millions to do the same. Indeed it is because of the teachings of Muhammad that billions of Muslims, since his time and until today, have revered the persons of Jesus, Moses and Abraham (peace be upon them all).

In this article, you will discover how the Bible foretells the coming of an Arabian prophet, specifically Prophet Muhammad. Although there are numerous prophecies about Muhammad scattered throughout the Bible, we are going to focus primarily on the 42nd chapter of the Book of Isaiah in the Old Testament. Please note that all verses referenced from the Bible have been taken from the New International Version.

2 – What Is Isaiah 42 About?
The 42nd chapter of the Book of Isaiah describes itself as a prophecy about the future. Isaiah states that:

…the former things have taken place, and new things I declare... [Isaiah 42:9]

Isaiah starts the chapter by drawing our attention to a very special person that God will send. He describes this person as:

…my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight... [Isaiah 42:1]

At least three of the names of Prophet Muhammad are mentioned - “servant”, “chosen one” and “in whom I delight”.

Prophet Muhammad is known as God’s Servant, in Arabic “abd - ullah”.

“Chosen one” is “Mustafa” in Arabic. This is another of the names of Prophet Muhammad.

The one in whom God ‘delights in’ shows that this person is beloved to God. ‘Habibullah’ in Arabic, which means “Beloved of God”, also happens to be one of Prophet Muhammad’s names.

3 – The Location of this Special Person
Isaiah also reveals the location of this special person. He states:

Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices; let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice. Let the people of Sela sing for joy; let them shout from the mountaintops. [Isaiah 42:11]

The two key words used are ‘Kedar’ and ‘Sela’ which together pinpoint an exact location for this special person. Out of all the places on earth that Isaiah mentioned, he chose to highlight Kedar and Sela’s location so we should pay special attention.

Who is Kedar, and where did he settle? The Old Testament tells us that Kedar was one of the sons of Ishmael:

These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam [Genesis 25:13]

Ishmael is one of the sons of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh). The Old Testament tells us that Ishmael dwelt in a place called Paran:

While he (Ishmael) was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt. [Genesis 21:21]

Many Christian interpreters of the Bible hold that Paran is in Arabia. From Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible:

He dwelt in the wilderness of Paran – This is generally allowed to have been a part of the desert belonging to Arabia Petraea, in the vicinity of Mount Sinai; and this seems to be its uniform meaning in the sacred writings.

Moreover Strong’s Bible Dictionary also tells us:

H6290 pâ’rân From H6286; ornamental; Paran, a desert of Arabia: – Paran.

We can also place the location of the descendants of Ishmael, known as Ishmaelites, to Arabia. According to Harper’s Bible Dictionary [1] the term ‘Ishmaelites’ is used synonymously with the term ‘Midianites’. We can see this from the story of Joseph in Genesis:

“Meanwhile, the Midianites sold Joseph in Egypt to Potiphar, one of Pharaoh’s officials, the captain of the guard.” [Genesis 37:36]

“Now Joseph had been taken down to Egypt. Potiphar, an Egyptian who was one of Pharaoh’s officials, the captain of the guard, bought him from the Ishmaelites who had taken him there.” [Genesis 39:1]

So these two groups, the Midianites and Ishmaelites, are used interchangeably. We know that geographically, Biblical Midian is located in modern day Western Saudi Arabia, compare a typical Bible map with a modern day map:

muhammed-bible-map

Kedar and his own sons are also specifically linked to Arabia:

“The oracle about Arabia. In the thickets of Arabia you must spend the night, O caravans of Dedanites. … all the splendor of Kedar will terminate” [Isaiah 21:13-16]

Arabia and all the princes of Kedar were your favored dealers in lambs, rams, and goats; in these they did business with you. [Ezekiel 27:21]

The Old Testament scholar Charles Foster says about Kedar:

“Namely, of the land of Kedar; which every reader conversant with Arabian geography will recognise as a most accurate delineation of the district of Hedjaz [Western Saudi Arabia], including its famous cities of Makkah and Madina.” [2]

In summary we have established that Ishmael and his descendants, specifically Kedar, settled in modern day Saudi Arabia.

Whilst it’s true that Saudi Arabia represents a wide geographic region, the use of the word ‘Sela’ pinpoints an exact location. The place being spoken of is actually the city of Madinah because ‘Sela’ is the name of a famous mountain in Madinah. Madinah was the city of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh):

muhammed-sela-mountain

It is worth mentioning that Prophet Muhammad’s lineage can also be traced back to Prophet Abraham (peace be upon them all). This is through Kedar:

muhammed-kedar

4 – The Jewish Tribes of Madinah
It’s important to note that historically we know there was a presence of various Jewish tribes in Madinah before the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Both Jewish Historians and Islamic history records this fact. The American historian Salo Baron, the most noted historian of the Jews of his generation, recorded the following in his book “Social and Religious History of the Jews”:

Judaic presence and influence throughout the region burgeoned steadily throughout the first few centuries of the Common Era. The process is substantiated by solidly sympathetic references to Jews and Judaism in pre-Islamic Arabic literature. By the sixth century, it is clear that Jewish tribes dominated Yathrib (Medina)… [3]

The question then arises, why were there numerous Jewish tribes within Madinah? The answer is that the learned Jews were aware of this prophecy in Isaiah and were anxiously awaiting the coming of a new prophet. Islamic history records the fact that whenever a dispute arose between the Jews and Arabs in Madinah, the Jews used to taunt their pagan Arab neighbours, by saying that:

“when our prophet arrives we shall obliterate you…”. [4]

The Qur’an also affirms this. God says:

“Is it not a sign to them that the learned men of the Children of Israel knew it (as true)?” [Chapter 26, verse 197]

5 – What this Special Person will bring
Isaiah informs us that this special person will bring something new. Mankind is told that we will:

Sing to the Lord a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth… [Isaiah 42:10]

The statement “a new song” means a new law, a new way of worship. This is exactly what Islam represents. The emphasis on the new song here is singing the praise of God all over the earth. The Qur’an opens with the statement “Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds” and is recited by Muslims all over the world during prayers every day.

Some Christians believe that Isaiah is a prophecy about Jesus. When we analyse the life of Jesus as portrayed in the New Testament, we will see that this cannot be the case. The new song cannot refer to Jesus, because he obeyed and followed the Law of Moses throughout his life. Jesus didn’t sing a new song; he sang the same song of Moses, the Torah. In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus said:

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 5:18-19]

Moreover the disciples of Jesus also followed the Law of Moses, even after Jesus departed.

6 – Who He will be sent to
Isaiah emphasises the universal mission of the coming person by mentioning that he will be made a:

...covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles [Isaiah 42:6]

Gentiles means non Jews. The Qur’an confirms that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sent to the whole of mankind, Jews and Gentiles alike. In the Qur’an God tells us:

We have sent you [O Prophet] as a bearer of glad tidings and a warner for the whole of mankind, but most people have no knowledge. [Chapter 34, verse 28]

The verse in Isaiah cannot apply to Jesus because in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus said:

“I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” [Matthew 15:24]

Isaiah further states that God will:

…lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I will guide them... [Isaiah 42:16]

The pagan Arabs at the time of Prophet Muhammad fit this description perfectly because they had not been sent a messenger prior to Muhammad. The Qur’an bears witness to this, God states that Muhammad was sent to:

... warn a people to whom no warner has come before... [Chapter 32, verse 3]

The verse in Isaiah cannot apply to Jesus because his people, the Israelites, had already received the Torah and a multitude of Prophets from God. Here are just some of the Prophets that the Israelites were sent, up to and including Jesus:

Moses
Aaron
Joshua
Samuel
Nathan
David
Solomon
Micaiah
Hoshea
Amos
Micah
Elijah
Elisha
Jonah
Isaiah
Joel
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Jeremiah
Ezekiel
Daniel
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi
Jesus

Isaiah emphasises that this special person will be sent to:

...those who trust in idols, who say to images, ‘You are our gods,’... [Isaiah 42:17]

The whole of Arabia at the start of Muhammad’s Prophethood consisted of idol worshippers.

Again, this cannot be a reference to Jesus because his people, the Israelites, were monotheists and not idol worshippers.

Moreover, Jesus explicitly told his disciples to stay away from the idol worshipping Gentiles, the exact opposite of what Isaiah prophesied. The Gospel of Matthew tells us that:

These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles…” [Matthew 10:5]

7 – A Warrior who will fight God’s Enemies
Isaiah states that this special person will be a warrior and will:

...go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. [Isaiah 42:13]

Throughout history God has dealt sternly with those who are sent guidance and persist in disbelief. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had to engage in many battles with the idol worshipping enemies of God and ultimately prevailed against them.

By comparison, Jesus did not triumph over his enemies, according to Christians he was crucified by them. Moreover Jesus wasn’t interested in fighting, he was not a man of war, he was a pacifist according to the New Testament. He said such things as:

“for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.” [Matthew 26:52]

And:

“My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight…” [John 18:36].

8 – What He will Achieve
Isaiah gives us a list of momentous achievements for this special person. Chief of these is that the idol worshippers:

...will be turned back in utter shame... [Isaiah 42:17]

Not only did Prophet Muhammad conquer Mecca, the Pagan capital of Arabia, but by the end of his life, in just 23 short years of Prophethood, Arabia had shunned idol worship and now worshipped the One true God of Abraham.

This cannot apply to Jesus as it was Christians themselves who were humiliated (and “greatly ashamed”) for hundreds of years after Jesus. They were persecuted at the hands of the Roman Empire who were idol worshippers. They executed some of the followers of Jesus such as Peter and Paul. Christians were tortured and even fed to lions.

9 – A Warning from God
Finally, Isaiah closes with an admonishment:

“Hear, you deaf; look, you blind, and see…

You have seen many things, but you pay no attention; your ears are open, but you do not listen…

Which of you will listen to this or pay close attention in time to come?” [Isaiah 42:18-23]

It seems clear that the “deaf and blind” Isaiah is talking about in this verse are those who reject Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Who among you will heed God by acknowledging him, who will “listen” and “pay close attention in time to come”?

10 – Some Common Objections Answered
Some Christians might raise the objection that Muslims shouldn’t be using the Bible as evidence in support of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) because we also make the claim that the Bible is corrupted – in other words we can’t have it both ways.

The main proof of Muhammad’s Prophethood (pbuh) is and forever will be the miraculous Qur’an which was revealed by God to him through the angel Gabriel. God Almighty, out of His mercy for the Jews and Christians (respectfully referred to in the Qur’an as the People of the Book) also provided an additional proof to mankind of his Prophethood. As this booklet has demonstrated, this can be found in their very own Scriptures , such as the Book of Isaiah.

It must be noted that Muslims believe that many Prophets, such as Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them), were given Scripture by God. Whilst it’s true that not all of the Bible we have today is still the original word of God, the sheer number of different versions of the Bible in existence today is proof of this, Muslims have no doubt that Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned in the Bible because God says in the Qur’an:

‘I shall ordain My mercy for those who are conscious of God and pay the poor due; who believe in Our Revelations; who follow the Messenger (Muhammad) – the unlettered prophet they find described in the Torah that is with them, and in the Gospel’ [Chapter 7, verses 156-157]

Indeed one of the names of the Qur’an is “Al Furqan”, meaning the criterion between truth and falsehood, and as such the Qur’an represents the ultimate authority for truth. It is the most reliable religious Scripture in existence today thanks to its flawless preservation throughout history. Thanks to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, we know that the Book of Isaiah is perhaps the most reliable book (in terms of textual preservation) in the entire Old Testament. The Dead Sea Scrolls are a collection of texts discovered between 1946 and 1956 inside caves near the Dead Sea in Jordan. The texts are of great religious significance because they include the earliest known surviving manuscripts of the Old Testament, dated to as early as 408 BCE [5]. Many manuscripts are fragmentary; however the Book of Isaiah can be found in its entirety and is virtually identical to what we have of the Book of Isaiah today so we can be confident in quoting from it [6].

So in summary, the Bible that we have today is unreliable as a whole, but the Book of Isaiah in particular is reliable. Readers are encouraged to reflect on why out of all the books of the Old Testament it is the Book of Isaiah, containing a very clear prophecy about Muhammad that has been preserved. Perhaps God intended for this to be a sign to mankind.

11 – Conclusion
This article analysed in detail Isaiah 42, a chapter from a book of the Old Testament that clearly foretells the coming of Muhammad (pbuh). Many Christians and Jews have accepted Islam (Islam literally means ‘submission to God’) by recognising Muhammad (pbuh) from the Bible. One of those is the late Reverend David Benjamin Keldani, the author of ‘Muhammad in the Bible’ [7].

'I must remind the Christians that unless they believe in the absolute unity of God, and renounce the belief in the three persons, they are certainly unbelievers in the true God ... The Old Testament and the Qur'an condemn the doctrine of three persons in God; the New Testament does not expressly hold or defend it, but even if it contains hints and traces concerning the Trinity, it is no authority at all, because it was neither seen nor written by Christ himself, nor in the language he spoke, nor did it exist in its present form and contents for – at least - the first two centuries after him.' Rev. David Benjamin Keldani, B.D. (1867-1940)

Since it has clearly been shown that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned in the Bible, as a next step, we invite you to look into Islam by reading a translation of the Qur’an and learning more about Muhammad (pbuh). Many people are attached to their identity, and don’t want to look into another religion. But Islam is not just another religion; it’s the same core message of monotheism preached by Moses, Jesus and Abraham (peace be upon them). It is the final instalment of the same message sent by God over the centuries.

[Methuselah]

People are ready to pounce on Islam, by all means you can believe whatever you like nor do I care, but please if you are going to make a claim, atleast have some decent to back it up with some reasonal logical evidence. Otherwise you just seem insincere with an agenda.

Some evidence for you here.
https://i.ibb.co/gwWKZ2w/Prophecy-About-Jesus.jpg

Like i already said the Messiah would come from the line of king David (Psalm 132:11/ Jeremiah 23:5-6 /Rom 1:3). Changing this claims is changing the foundation your Quran is based on. The Messiah has to be of Jewish descent. Mohammed was born from the line of Ishmael or Esau. Not from the Jewish line. Jerusalem is Jewish and used to be the holiest place for Muhammed as well.

Muhammed used to force people to his faith and was involved in killing. How can he be the Messiah? Wake up fella!

[Mikael19]

No, not the same God obviously. Our God sent Jesus who never killed people and preached about loving people. Muhammad is not a prophet but just a possible person who was involved in killing people. Our Messiah is not a killer as you see. Again, some people are just born soldiers but this is not who God is. The God of Quran is a brute force which makes the Middle East a battleground. Islamic Golden age was some sort of a time of prosperity but as we see it didn't last for a long time.

The second point is that it's irrelevant if you think that two prophets came from the same God. Jews still wrote the Torah Quran is based on. Regardless of what happened later Arabs didn't write the foundation. It's the same thing that Mormons are doing. They just took things already written and add their own twists to make Joseph Smith glorious and some sort of a holy person. Their book is a ripoff as well. This is very simple.

Here are some prophecies coming true.
https://i.ibb.co/gwWKZ2w/Prophecy-About-Jesus.jpg

God also told David the Messiah would be from His line (Psalm 132:11/ Jeremiah 23:5-6 /Rom 1:3). This means that the Messiah has to be of Jewish descent. Mohammed was born from the line of Ishmael or Esau. But obviously not from the Jewish line. Jerusalem is Jewish and used to be the holiest place for Muhammed as well. He changed the direction the bowed to. Now you are showing your arse to God's place.

Oh please. I said isiah 42. I am not denying that prophet jesus was also prophesied. And wait a moment, of Jesus is God and the way, then surely the god of the old testament is the same God of the new testament, so what about the order of innocents? Sodom and gomorrah? I will pull out those verses in just a moment bear with me. Also you cannot compare jesus and mohammed pbuh on them both, for one, you only know about 3 years of formers life, he wasn't a leader of an empire. Muhammed pbuh was. He was a leader, governor, Islam. Had to protect itself in what was the age of empires.

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Muhammad in the Bible
Home / INTERFAITH / Muhammad in the Bible
Muhammad in the Bible
1 – Introduction
The idea that the Bible contains prophecies about the coming of Muhammad (peace be upon him), may surprise many people. It isn’t difficult to understand why, since the general perception people have of Muhammad is that of a man with no connection to Biblical Prophets or prophecies. However, taking a closer look at Muhammad’s life, it becomes clear that he upheld the basic tenets that the Biblical Prophets came with, and led millions to do the same. Indeed it is because of the teachings of Muhammad that billions of Muslims, since his time and until today, have revered the persons of Jesus, Moses and Abraham (peace be upon them all).

In this article, you will discover how the Bible foretells the coming of an Arabian prophet, specifically Prophet Muhammad. Although there are numerous prophecies about Muhammad scattered throughout the Bible, we are going to focus primarily on the 42nd chapter of the Book of Isaiah in the Old Testament. Please note that all verses referenced from the Bible have been taken from the New International Version.

2 – What Is Isaiah 42 About?
The 42nd chapter of the Book of Isaiah describes itself as a prophecy about the future. Isaiah states that:

…the former things have taken place, and new things I declare... [Isaiah 42:9]

Isaiah starts the chapter by drawing our attention to a very special person that God will send. He describes this person as:

…my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight... [Isaiah 42:1]

At least three of the names of Prophet Muhammad are mentioned - “servant”, “chosen one” and “in whom I delight”.

Prophet Muhammad is known as God’s Servant, in Arabic “abd - ullah”.

“Chosen one” is “Mustafa” in Arabic. This is another of the names of Prophet Muhammad.

The one in whom God ‘delights in’ shows that this person is beloved to God. ‘Habibullah’ in Arabic, which means “Beloved of God”, also happens to be one of Prophet Muhammad’s names.

3 – The Location of this Special Person
Isaiah also reveals the location of this special person. He states:

Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices; let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice. Let the people of Sela sing for joy; let them shout from the mountaintops. [Isaiah 42:11]

The two key words used are ‘Kedar’ and ‘Sela’ which together pinpoint an exact location for this special person. Out of all the places on earth that Isaiah mentioned, he chose to highlight Kedar and Sela’s location so we should pay special attention.

Who is Kedar, and where did he settle? The Old Testament tells us that Kedar was one of the sons of Ishmael:

These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam [Genesis 25:13]

Ishmael is one of the sons of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh). The Old Testament tells us that Ishmael dwelt in a place called Paran:

While he (Ishmael) was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt. [Genesis 21:21]

Many Christian interpreters of the Bible hold that Paran is in Arabia. From Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible:

He dwelt in the wilderness of Paran – This is generally allowed to have been a part of the desert belonging to Arabia Petraea, in the vicinity of Mount Sinai; and this seems to be its uniform meaning in the sacred writings.

Moreover Strong’s Bible Dictionary also tells us:

H6290 pâ’rân From H6286; ornamental; Paran, a desert of Arabia: – Paran.

We can also place the location of the descendants of Ishmael, known as Ishmaelites, to Arabia. According to Harper’s Bible Dictionary [1] the term ‘Ishmaelites’ is used synonymously with the term ‘Midianites’. We can see this from the story of Joseph in Genesis:

“Meanwhile, the Midianites sold Joseph in Egypt to Potiphar, one of Pharaoh’s officials, the captain of the guard.” [Genesis 37:36]

“Now Joseph had been taken down to Egypt. Potiphar, an Egyptian who was one of Pharaoh’s officials, the captain of the guard, bought him from the Ishmaelites who had taken him there.” [Genesis 39:1]

So these two groups, the Midianites and Ishmaelites, are used interchangeably. We know that geographically, Biblical Midian is located in modern day Western Saudi Arabia, compare a typical Bible map with a modern day map:

muhammed-bible-map

Kedar and his own sons are also specifically linked to Arabia:

“The oracle about Arabia. In the thickets of Arabia you must spend the night, O caravans of Dedanites. … all the splendor of Kedar will terminate” [Isaiah 21:13-16]

Arabia and all the princes of Kedar were your favored dealers in lambs, rams, and goats; in these they did business with you. [Ezekiel 27:21]

The Old Testament scholar Charles Foster says about Kedar:

“Namely, of the land of Kedar; which every reader conversant with Arabian geography will recognise as a most accurate delineation of the district of Hedjaz [Western Saudi Arabia], including its famous cities of Makkah and Madina.” [2]

In summary we have established that Ishmael and his descendants, specifically Kedar, settled in modern day Saudi Arabia.

Whilst it’s true that Saudi Arabia represents a wide geographic region, the use of the word ‘Sela’ pinpoints an exact location. The place being spoken of is actually the city of Madinah because ‘Sela’ is the name of a famous mountain in Madinah. Madinah was the city of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh):

muhammed-sela-mountain

It is worth mentioning that Prophet Muhammad’s lineage can also be traced back to Prophet Abraham (peace be upon them all). This is through Kedar:

muhammed-kedar

4 – The Jewish Tribes of Madinah
It’s important to note that historically we know there was a presence of various Jewish tribes in Madinah before the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Both Jewish Historians and Islamic history records this fact. The American historian Salo Baron, the most noted historian of the Jews of his generation, recorded the following in his book “Social and Religious History of the Jews”:

Judaic presence and influence throughout the region burgeoned steadily throughout the first few centuries of the Common Era. The process is substantiated by solidly sympathetic references to Jews and Judaism in pre-Islamic Arabic literature. By the sixth century, it is clear that Jewish tribes dominated Yathrib (Medina)… [3]

The question then arises, why were there numerous Jewish tribes within Madinah? The answer is that the learned Jews were aware of this prophecy in Isaiah and were anxiously awaiting the coming of a new prophet. Islamic history records the fact that whenever a dispute arose between the Jews and Arabs in Madinah, the Jews used to taunt their pagan Arab neighbours, by saying that:

“when our prophet arrives we shall obliterate you…”. [4]

The Qur’an also affirms this. God says:

“Is it not a sign to them that the learned men of the Children of Israel knew it (as true)?” [Chapter 26, verse 197]

5 – What this Special Person will bring
Isaiah informs us that this special person will bring something new. Mankind is told that we will:

Sing to the Lord a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth… [Isaiah 42:10]

The statement “a new song” means a new law, a new way of worship. This is exactly what Islam represents. The emphasis on the new song here is singing the praise of God all over the earth. The Qur’an opens with the statement “Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds” and is recited by Muslims all over the world during prayers every day.

Some Christians believe that Isaiah is a prophecy about Jesus. When we analyse the life of Jesus as portrayed in the New Testament, we will see that this cannot be the case. The new song cannot refer to Jesus, because he obeyed and followed the Law of Moses throughout his life. Jesus didn’t sing a new song; he sang the same song of Moses, the Torah. In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus said:

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 5:18-19]

Moreover the disciples of Jesus also followed the Law of Moses, even after Jesus departed.

6 – Who He will be sent to
Isaiah emphasises the universal mission of the coming person by mentioning that he will be made a:

...covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles [Isaiah 42:6]

Gentiles means non Jews. The Qur’an confirms that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sent to the whole of mankind, Jews and Gentiles alike. In the Qur’an God tells us:

We have sent you [O Prophet] as a bearer of glad tidings and a warner for the whole of mankind, but most people have no knowledge. [Chapter 34, verse 28]

The verse in Isaiah cannot apply to Jesus because in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus said:

“I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” [Matthew 15:24]

Isaiah further states that God will:

…lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I will guide them... [Isaiah 42:16]

The pagan Arabs at the time of Prophet Muhammad fit this description perfectly because they had not been sent a messenger prior to Muhammad. The Qur’an bears witness to this, God states that Muhammad was sent to:

... warn a people to whom no warner has come before... [Chapter 32, verse 3]

The verse in Isaiah cannot apply to Jesus because his people, the Israelites, had already received the Torah and a multitude of Prophets from God. Here are just some of the Prophets that the Israelites were sent, up to and including Jesus:

Moses
Aaron
Joshua
Samuel
Nathan
David
Solomon
Micaiah
Hoshea
Amos
Micah
Elijah
Elisha
Jonah
Isaiah
Joel
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Jeremiah
Ezekiel
Daniel
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi
Jesus

Isaiah emphasises that this special person will be sent to:

...those who trust in idols, who say to images, ‘You are our gods,’... [Isaiah 42:17]

The whole of Arabia at the start of Muhammad’s Prophethood consisted of idol worshippers.

Again, this cannot be a reference to Jesus because his people, the Israelites, were monotheists and not idol worshippers.

Moreover, Jesus explicitly told his disciples to stay away from the idol worshipping Gentiles, the exact opposite of what Isaiah prophesied. The Gospel of Matthew tells us that:

These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles…” [Matthew 10:5]

7 – A Warrior who will fight God’s Enemies
Isaiah states that this special person will be a warrior and will:

...go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. [Isaiah 42:13]

Throughout history God has dealt sternly with those who are sent guidance and persist in disbelief. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had to engage in many battles with the idol worshipping enemies of God and ultimately prevailed against them.

By comparison, Jesus did not triumph over his enemies, according to Christians he was crucified by them. Moreover Jesus wasn’t interested in fighting, he was not a man of war, he was a pacifist according to the New Testament. He said such things as:

“for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.” [Matthew 26:52]

And:

“My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight…” [John 18:36].

8 – What He will Achieve
Isaiah gives us a list of momentous achievements for this special person. Chief of these is that the idol worshippers:

...will be turned back in utter shame... [Isaiah 42:17]

Not only did Prophet Muhammad conquer Mecca, the Pagan capital of Arabia, but by the end of his life, in just 23 short years of Prophethood, Arabia had shunned idol worship and now worshipped the One true God of Abraham.

This cannot apply to Jesus as it was Christians themselves who were humiliated (and “greatly ashamed”) for hundreds of years after Jesus. They were persecuted at the hands of the Roman Empire who were idol worshippers. They executed some of the followers of Jesus such as Peter and Paul. Christians were tortured and even fed to lions.

9 – A Warning from God
Finally, Isaiah closes with an admonishment:

“Hear, you deaf; look, you blind, and see…

You have seen many things, but you pay no attention; your ears are open, but you do not listen…

Which of you will listen to this or pay close attention in time to come?” [Isaiah 42:18-23]

It seems clear that the “deaf and blind” Isaiah is talking about in this verse are those who reject Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Who among you will heed God by acknowledging him, who will “listen” and “pay close attention in time to come”?

10 – Some Common Objections Answered
Some Christians might raise the objection that Muslims shouldn’t be using the Bible as evidence in support of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) because we also make the claim that the Bible is corrupted – in other words we can’t have it both ways.

The main proof of Muhammad’s Prophethood (pbuh) is and forever will be the miraculous Qur’an which was revealed by God to him through the angel Gabriel. God Almighty, out of His mercy for the Jews and Christians (respectfully referred to in the Qur’an as the People of the Book) also provided an additional proof to mankind of his Prophethood. As this booklet has demonstrated, this can be found in their very own Scriptures , such as the Book of Isaiah.

It must be noted that Muslims believe that many Prophets, such as Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them), were given Scripture by God. Whilst it’s true that not all of the Bible we have today is still the original word of God, the sheer number of different versions of the Bible in existence today is proof of this, Muslims have no doubt that Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned in the Bible because God says in the Qur’an:

‘I shall ordain My mercy for those who are conscious of God and pay the poor due; who believe in Our Revelations; who follow the Messenger (Muhammad) – the unlettered prophet they find described in the Torah that is with them, and in the Gospel’ [Chapter 7, verses 156-157]

Indeed one of the names of the Qur’an is “Al Furqan”, meaning the criterion between truth and falsehood, and as such the Qur’an represents the ultimate authority for truth. It is the most reliable religious Scripture in existence today thanks to its flawless preservation throughout history. Thanks to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, we know that the Book of Isaiah is perhaps the most reliable book (in terms of textual preservation) in the entire Old Testament. The Dead Sea Scrolls are a collection of texts discovered between 1946 and 1956 inside caves near the Dead Sea in Jordan. The texts are of great religious significance because they include the earliest known surviving manuscripts of the Old Testament, dated to as early as 408 BCE [5]. Many manuscripts are fragmentary; however the Book of Isaiah can be found in its entirety and is virtually identical to what we have of the Book of Isaiah today so we can be confident in quoting from it [6].

So in summary, the Bible that we have today is unreliable as a whole, but the Book of Isaiah in particular is reliable. Readers are encouraged to reflect on why out of all the books of the Old Testament it is the Book of Isaiah, containing a very clear prophecy about Muhammad that has been preserved. Perhaps God intended for this to be a sign to mankind.

11 – Conclusion
This article analysed in detail Isaiah 42, a chapter from a book of the Old Testament that clearly foretells the coming of Muhammad (pbuh). Many Christians and Jews have accepted Islam (Islam literally means ‘submission to God’) by recognising Muhammad (pbuh) from the Bible. One of those is the late Reverend David Benjamin Keldani, the author of ‘Muhammad in the Bible’ [7].

'I must remind the Christians that unless they believe in the absolute unity of God, and renounce the belief in the three persons, they are certainly unbelievers in the true God ... The Old Testament and the Qur'an condemn the doctrine of three persons in God; the New Testament does not expressly hold or defend it, but even if it contains hints and traces concerning the Trinity, it is no authority at all, because it was neither seen nor written by Christ himself, nor in the language he spoke, nor did it exist in its present form and contents for – at least - the first two centuries after him.' Rev. David Benjamin Keldani, B.D. (1867-1940)

Since it has clearly been shown that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned in the Bible, as a next step, we invite you to look into Islam by reading a translation of the Qur’an and learning more about Muhammad (pbuh). Many people are attached to their identity, and don’t want to look into another religion. But Islam is not just another religion; it’s the same core message of monotheism preached by Moses, Jesus and Abraham (peace be upon them). It is the final instalment of the same message sent by God over the centuries.

[Mikael19]

Some evidence for you here.
https://i.ibb.co/gwWKZ2w/Prophecy-About-Jesus.jpg

Like i already said the Messiah would come from the line of king David (Psalm 132:11/ Jeremiah 23:5-6 /Rom 1:3). Changing this claims is changing the foundation your Quran is based on. The Messiah has to be of Jewish descent. Mohammed was born from the line of Ishmael or Esau. Not from the Jewish line. Jerusalem is Jewish and used to be the holiest place for Muhammed as well.

Muhammed used to force people to his faith and was involved in killing. How can he be the Messiah? Wake up fella!

We are not claiming he is the messiah!!!! We know jesus pbuh is the messiah!!!!!!!

[Methuselah]

Oh please. I said isiah 42. I am not denying that prophet jesus was also prophesied. And wait a moment, of Jesus is God and the way, then surely the god of the old testament is the same God of the new testament, so what about the order of innocents? Sodom and gomorrah? I will pull out those verses in just a moment bear with me. Also you cannot compare jesus and mohammed pbuh on them both, for one, you only know about 3 years of formers life, he wasn't a leader of an empire. Muhammed pbuh was. He was a leader, governor, Islam. Had to protect itself in what was the age of empires.

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Muhammad in the Bible
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Muhammad in the Bible
1 – Introduction
The idea that the Bible contains prophecies about the coming of Muhammad (peace be upon him), may surprise many people. It isn’t difficult to understand why, since the general perception people have of Muhammad is that of a man with no connection to Biblical Prophets or prophecies. However, taking a closer look at Muhammad’s life, it becomes clear that he upheld the basic tenets that the Biblical Prophets came with, and led millions to do the same. Indeed it is because of the teachings of Muhammad that billions of Muslims, since his time and until today, have revered the persons of Jesus, Moses and Abraham (peace be upon them all).

In this article, you will discover how the Bible foretells the coming of an Arabian prophet, specifically Prophet Muhammad. Although there are numerous prophecies about Muhammad scattered throughout the Bible, we are going to focus primarily on the 42nd chapter of the Book of Isaiah in the Old Testament. Please note that all verses referenced from the Bible have been taken from the New International Version.

2 – What Is Isaiah 42 About?
The 42nd chapter of the Book of Isaiah describes itself as a prophecy about the future. Isaiah states that:

…the former things have taken place, and new things I declare... [Isaiah 42:9]

Isaiah starts the chapter by drawing our attention to a very special person that God will send. He describes this person as:

…my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight... [Isaiah 42:1]

At least three of the names of Prophet Muhammad are mentioned - “servant”, “chosen one” and “in whom I delight”.

Prophet Muhammad is known as God’s Servant, in Arabic “abd - ullah”.

“Chosen one” is “Mustafa” in Arabic. This is another of the names of Prophet Muhammad.

The one in whom God ‘delights in’ shows that this person is beloved to God. ‘Habibullah’ in Arabic, which means “Beloved of God”, also happens to be one of Prophet Muhammad’s names.

3 – The Location of this Special Person
Isaiah also reveals the location of this special person. He states:

Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices; let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice. Let the people of Sela sing for joy; let them shout from the mountaintops. [Isaiah 42:11]

The two key words used are ‘Kedar’ and ‘Sela’ which together pinpoint an exact location for this special person. Out of all the places on earth that Isaiah mentioned, he chose to highlight Kedar and Sela’s location so we should pay special attention.

Who is Kedar, and where did he settle? The Old Testament tells us that Kedar was one of the sons of Ishmael:

These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam [Genesis 25:13]

Ishmael is one of the sons of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh). The Old Testament tells us that Ishmael dwelt in a place called Paran:

While he (Ishmael) was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt. [Genesis 21:21]

Many Christian interpreters of the Bible hold that Paran is in Arabia. From Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible:

He dwelt in the wilderness of Paran – This is generally allowed to have been a part of the desert belonging to Arabia Petraea, in the vicinity of Mount Sinai; and this seems to be its uniform meaning in the sacred writings.

Moreover Strong’s Bible Dictionary also tells us:

H6290 pâ’rân From H6286; ornamental; Paran, a desert of Arabia: – Paran.

We can also place the location of the descendants of Ishmael, known as Ishmaelites, to Arabia. According to Harper’s Bible Dictionary [1] the term ‘Ishmaelites’ is used synonymously with the term ‘Midianites’. We can see this from the story of Joseph in Genesis:

“Meanwhile, the Midianites sold Joseph in Egypt to Potiphar, one of Pharaoh’s officials, the captain of the guard.” [Genesis 37:36]

“Now Joseph had been taken down to Egypt. Potiphar, an Egyptian who was one of Pharaoh’s officials, the captain of the guard, bought him from the Ishmaelites who had taken him there.” [Genesis 39:1]

So these two groups, the Midianites and Ishmaelites, are used interchangeably. We know that geographically, Biblical Midian is located in modern day Western Saudi Arabia, compare a typical Bible map with a modern day map:

muhammed-bible-map

Kedar and his own sons are also specifically linked to Arabia:

“The oracle about Arabia. In the thickets of Arabia you must spend the night, O caravans of Dedanites. … all the splendor of Kedar will terminate” [Isaiah 21:13-16]

Arabia and all the princes of Kedar were your favored dealers in lambs, rams, and goats; in these they did business with you. [Ezekiel 27:21]

The Old Testament scholar Charles Foster says about Kedar:

“Namely, of the land of Kedar; which every reader conversant with Arabian geography will recognise as a most accurate delineation of the district of Hedjaz [Western Saudi Arabia], including its famous cities of Makkah and Madina.” [2]

In summary we have established that Ishmael and his descendants, specifically Kedar, settled in modern day Saudi Arabia.

Whilst it’s true that Saudi Arabia represents a wide geographic region, the use of the word ‘Sela’ pinpoints an exact location. The place being spoken of is actually the city of Madinah because ‘Sela’ is the name of a famous mountain in Madinah. Madinah was the city of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh):

muhammed-sela-mountain

It is worth mentioning that Prophet Muhammad’s lineage can also be traced back to Prophet Abraham (peace be upon them all). This is through Kedar:

muhammed-kedar

4 – The Jewish Tribes of Madinah
It’s important to note that historically we know there was a presence of various Jewish tribes in Madinah before the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Both Jewish Historians and Islamic history records this fact. The American historian Salo Baron, the most noted historian of the Jews of his generation, recorded the following in his book “Social and Religious History of the Jews”:

Judaic presence and influence throughout the region burgeoned steadily throughout the first few centuries of the Common Era. The process is substantiated by solidly sympathetic references to Jews and Judaism in pre-Islamic Arabic literature. By the sixth century, it is clear that Jewish tribes dominated Yathrib (Medina)… [3]

The question then arises, why were there numerous Jewish tribes within Madinah? The answer is that the learned Jews were aware of this prophecy in Isaiah and were anxiously awaiting the coming of a new prophet. Islamic history records the fact that whenever a dispute arose between the Jews and Arabs in Madinah, the Jews used to taunt their pagan Arab neighbours, by saying that:

“when our prophet arrives we shall obliterate you…”. [4]

The Qur’an also affirms this. God says:

“Is it not a sign to them that the learned men of the Children of Israel knew it (as true)?” [Chapter 26, verse 197]

5 – What this Special Person will bring
Isaiah informs us that this special person will bring something new. Mankind is told that we will:

Sing to the Lord a new song, his praise from the ends of the earth… [Isaiah 42:10]

The statement “a new song” means a new law, a new way of worship. This is exactly what Islam represents. The emphasis on the new song here is singing the praise of God all over the earth. The Qur’an opens with the statement “Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds” and is recited by Muslims all over the world during prayers every day.

Some Christians believe that Isaiah is a prophecy about Jesus. When we analyse the life of Jesus as portrayed in the New Testament, we will see that this cannot be the case. The new song cannot refer to Jesus, because he obeyed and followed the Law of Moses throughout his life. Jesus didn’t sing a new song; he sang the same song of Moses, the Torah. In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus said:

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 5:18-19]

Moreover the disciples of Jesus also followed the Law of Moses, even after Jesus departed.

6 – Who He will be sent to
Isaiah emphasises the universal mission of the coming person by mentioning that he will be made a:

...covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles [Isaiah 42:6]

Gentiles means non Jews. The Qur’an confirms that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sent to the whole of mankind, Jews and Gentiles alike. In the Qur’an God tells us:

We have sent you [O Prophet] as a bearer of glad tidings and a warner for the whole of mankind, but most people have no knowledge. [Chapter 34, verse 28]

The verse in Isaiah cannot apply to Jesus because in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus said:

“I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” [Matthew 15:24]

Isaiah further states that God will:

…lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I will guide them... [Isaiah 42:16]

The pagan Arabs at the time of Prophet Muhammad fit this description perfectly because they had not been sent a messenger prior to Muhammad. The Qur’an bears witness to this, God states that Muhammad was sent to:

... warn a people to whom no warner has come before... [Chapter 32, verse 3]

The verse in Isaiah cannot apply to Jesus because his people, the Israelites, had already received the Torah and a multitude of Prophets from God. Here are just some of the Prophets that the Israelites were sent, up to and including Jesus:

Moses
Aaron
Joshua
Samuel
Nathan
David
Solomon
Micaiah
Hoshea
Amos
Micah
Elijah
Elisha
Jonah
Isaiah
Joel
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Jeremiah
Ezekiel
Daniel
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi
Jesus

Isaiah emphasises that this special person will be sent to:

...those who trust in idols, who say to images, ‘You are our gods,’... [Isaiah 42:17]

The whole of Arabia at the start of Muhammad’s Prophethood consisted of idol worshippers.

Again, this cannot be a reference to Jesus because his people, the Israelites, were monotheists and not idol worshippers.

Moreover, Jesus explicitly told his disciples to stay away from the idol worshipping Gentiles, the exact opposite of what Isaiah prophesied. The Gospel of Matthew tells us that:

These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles…” [Matthew 10:5]

7 – A Warrior who will fight God’s Enemies
Isaiah states that this special person will be a warrior and will:

...go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. [Isaiah 42:13]

Throughout history God has dealt sternly with those who are sent guidance and persist in disbelief. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had to engage in many battles with the idol worshipping enemies of God and ultimately prevailed against them.

By comparison, Jesus did not triumph over his enemies, according to Christians he was crucified by them. Moreover Jesus wasn’t interested in fighting, he was not a man of war, he was a pacifist according to the New Testament. He said such things as:

“for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.” [Matthew 26:52]

And:

“My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight…” [John 18:36].

8 – What He will Achieve
Isaiah gives us a list of momentous achievements for this special person. Chief of these is that the idol worshippers:

...will be turned back in utter shame... [Isaiah 42:17]

Not only did Prophet Muhammad conquer Mecca, the Pagan capital of Arabia, but by the end of his life, in just 23 short years of Prophethood, Arabia had shunned idol worship and now worshipped the One true God of Abraham.

This cannot apply to Jesus as it was Christians themselves who were humiliated (and “greatly ashamed”) for hundreds of years after Jesus. They were persecuted at the hands of the Roman Empire who were idol worshippers. They executed some of the followers of Jesus such as Peter and Paul. Christians were tortured and even fed to lions.

9 – A Warning from God
Finally, Isaiah closes with an admonishment:

“Hear, you deaf; look, you blind, and see…

You have seen many things, but you pay no attention; your ears are open, but you do not listen…

Which of you will listen to this or pay close attention in time to come?” [Isaiah 42:18-23]

It seems clear that the “deaf and blind” Isaiah is talking about in this verse are those who reject Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Who among you will heed God by acknowledging him, who will “listen” and “pay close attention in time to come”?

10 – Some Common Objections Answered
Some Christians might raise the objection that Muslims shouldn’t be using the Bible as evidence in support of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) because we also make the claim that the Bible is corrupted – in other words we can’t have it both ways.

The main proof of Muhammad’s Prophethood (pbuh) is and forever will be the miraculous Qur’an which was revealed by God to him through the angel Gabriel. God Almighty, out of His mercy for the Jews and Christians (respectfully referred to in the Qur’an as the People of the Book) also provided an additional proof to mankind of his Prophethood. As this booklet has demonstrated, this can be found in their very own Scriptures , such as the Book of Isaiah.

It must be noted that Muslims believe that many Prophets, such as Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them), were given Scripture by God. Whilst it’s true that not all of the Bible we have today is still the original word of God, the sheer number of different versions of the Bible in existence today is proof of this, Muslims have no doubt that Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned in the Bible because God says in the Qur’an:

‘I shall ordain My mercy for those who are conscious of God and pay the poor due; who believe in Our Revelations; who follow the Messenger (Muhammad) – the unlettered prophet they find described in the Torah that is with them, and in the Gospel’ [Chapter 7, verses 156-157]

Indeed one of the names of the Qur’an is “Al Furqan”, meaning the criterion between truth and falsehood, and as such the Qur’an represents the ultimate authority for truth. It is the most reliable religious Scripture in existence today thanks to its flawless preservation throughout history. Thanks to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, we know that the Book of Isaiah is perhaps the most reliable book (in terms of textual preservation) in the entire Old Testament. The Dead Sea Scrolls are a collection of texts discovered between 1946 and 1956 inside caves near the Dead Sea in Jordan. The texts are of great religious significance because they include the earliest known surviving manuscripts of the Old Testament, dated to as early as 408 BCE [5]. Many manuscripts are fragmentary; however the Book of Isaiah can be found in its entirety and is virtually identical to what we have of the Book of Isaiah today so we can be confident in quoting from it [6].

So in summary, the Bible that we have today is unreliable as a whole, but the Book of Isaiah in particular is reliable. Readers are encouraged to reflect on why out of all the books of the Old Testament it is the Book of Isaiah, containing a very clear prophecy about Muhammad that has been preserved. Perhaps God intended for this to be a sign to mankind.

11 – Conclusion
This article analysed in detail Isaiah 42, a chapter from a book of the Old Testament that clearly foretells the coming of Muhammad (pbuh). Many Christians and Jews have accepted Islam (Islam literally means ‘submission to God’) by recognising Muhammad (pbuh) from the Bible. One of those is the late Reverend David Benjamin Keldani, the author of ‘Muhammad in the Bible’ [7].

'I must remind the Christians that unless they believe in the absolute unity of God, and renounce the belief in the three persons, they are certainly unbelievers in the true God ... The Old Testament and the Qur'an condemn the doctrine of three persons in God; the New Testament does not expressly hold or defend it, but even if it contains hints and traces concerning the Trinity, it is no authority at all, because it was neither seen nor written by Christ himself, nor in the language he spoke, nor did it exist in its present form and contents for – at least - the first two centuries after him.' Rev. David Benjamin Keldani, B.D. (1867-1940)

Since it has clearly been shown that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned in the Bible, as a next step, we invite you to look into Islam by reading a translation of the Qur’an and learning more about Muhammad (pbuh). Many people are attached to their identity, and don’t want to look into another religion. But Islam is not just another religion; it’s the same core message of monotheism preached by Moses, Jesus and Abraham (peace be upon them). It is the final instalment of the same message sent by God over the centuries.

You prophet was a leader of an empire which failed. Our prophet is a leader of an empire which is everlasting. Our Messiah taught to love and forgive. This is why we have prosperity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

[Methuselah]

We are not claiming he is the messiah!!!! We know jesus pbuh is the messiah!!!!!!!

What is jesus pbuh? And if you know Jesus is the messiah why to glorify Mohammed?

[itilvolga]

No one of you has enough knowledge about Islam generally. Who has even read the Quran among you? I don’t think that any of you did since many Muslims don’t either (That’s why we pay their stupidity in society tbh). Being Christian or basically Non-Muslim shouldn’t drive you to insult or judge Islam without enough knowledge. Just please follow Jesus: “But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.” [Matthew 5:43-48]

[Mikael19]

Mikael. Watch abit of Bob from speakers corner. The muslim dawah team are liars.

Are you seriously bringing up Bob?!! Hahaha come on man, he has been refuted so many times. Not suprised where you get all your ideas from. Let me guess godwin lizzie and hatun too? What about Jay Smith? Oh wait he got banned..

[Mikael19]

What is jesus pbuh? And if you know Jesus is the messiah why to glorify Mohammed?

Jesus peace be upon him. God's sakes.

[Methuselah]

No one of you has enough knowledge about Islam generally. Who has even read the Quran among you? I don’t think that any of you did since many Muslims don’t either (That’s why we pay their stupidity in society tbh). Being Christian or basically Non-Muslim shouldn’t drive you to insult or judge Islam without enough knowledge. Just please follow Jesus: “But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.” [Matthew 5:43-48]
Nobody is insulting your religion. The fact is that Mohammed was a soldier.

Jesus peace be upon him. God's sakes.

Upon who? Mohammed? How can there be peace upon him if he was a mass murderer and the hero of many terrorists. I don't see any peace.

[Vojnik]

Are you seriously bringing up Bob?!! Hahaha come on man, he has been refuted so many times. Not suprised where you get all your ideas from. Let me guess godwin lizzie and hatun too? What about Jay Smith? Oh wait he got banned..

All the Muslims at speakers corner are thugs. Bod destroys them all in debates. How can you not defeat someone in an argument when they kiss the feet of a man who had sex with a 9 year old. A young child can defeat a muslim in a debate.

But seriously Mikael. Wake up and turn away from Islam.

[Vojnik]

Jesus peace be upon him. God's sakes.

I believe in a different Jesus to us. You believe in the quranic Isa, who is not the same Jesus in the Bible.

[Mikael19]

You prophet was a leader of an empire which failed. Our prophet is a leader of an empire which is everlasting. Our Messiah taught to love and forgive. This is why we have prosperity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

Failed?

http://www.iupui.edu/~msaiupui/thetop100.html?id=61
Got put as no 1 most influential man in history by a christian.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in world, quarter of the population of the world. It has followers from all colors ranging from the americas to Africa to Europe and Asia. In what was the age of empires, he united a bunch of goat herders in a desert sandwiched between the Persians of the east and the Romans to the west, rather being engulfed by them, he spread the message at an alarming rate taking over lands from Spain to northern India. 1400 years later, here we are debating about an illiterate man in the deserts of Arabia. Astonishing if you ask me.

[Mikael19]

I believe in a different Jesus to us. You believe in the quranic Isa, who is not the same Jesus in the Bible.

No you are right, you arr following the teachings of Paul. I am more of a follower of Jesus than you.

[Methuselah]

I believe in a different Jesus to us. You believe in the quranic Isa, who is not the same Jesus in the Bible.

Muslims think the person mentioned in the Jewish Tanakh to be even greater than Moses or Abraham is Mohammed. This is false, since he has to come from the line of King David. Jesus comes from this line, because he is Jewish.

[Vojnik]

Failed?

http://www.iupui.edu/~msaiupui/thetop100.html?id=61
Got put as no 1 most influential man in history by a christian.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in world, quarter of the population of the world. It has followers from all colors ranging from the americas to Africa to Europe and Asia. In what was the age of empires, he united a bunch of goat herders in a desert sandwiched between the Persians of the east and the Romans to the west, rather being engulfed by them, he spread the message at an alarming rate taking over lands from Spain to northern India. 1400 years later, here we are debating about an illiterate man in the deserts of Arabia. Astonishing if you ask me.

Failed. Tried to take Spain, failed in the end. Tried to take Vienna, failed in the end. Eventually you were even chased out of the Balkans. FAILED. Your God was not strong enough.

[Vojnik]

No you are right, you arr following the teachings of Paul. I am more of a follower of Jesus than you.

Do you believe Jesus when he said "he who has seen me has seen God"? Good for you.

[Mikael19]

All the Muslims at speakers corner are thugs. Bod destroys them all in debates. How can you not defeat someone in an argument when they kiss the feet of a man who had sex with a 9 year old. A young child can defeat a muslim in a debate.

But seriously Mikael. Wake up and turn away from Islam.

Remind me, how old was Joseph the carpenter when he married mary the mother of jesus. She was 12 by the way.

And also, you are comparing times of old to modern day morality. First of all, the quran doesn't state that you can marry an 9 year old, in fact it doesn't give an age rather a criteria where the girl has to meet. She has to be physically mature, e.g reach the age of puberty. She has to be mentally mature and she has to give consent.
If aisha ra had no issues with that and was a common practice during that time, why do you care?! She was one of the greatest leading scholars of Islam and loved the prophet dearly.

Also, you mention paedophillia? Firstly define a paedophile? It's having sex with a child right? Define a child? You do know the age of consent differs from country to country, so you will be a paedophile in Saudi Arabia (18) but not in Portugal (14). If morality can't even cross borders how can you expect it to cross time?!! Also, look at the age women were being married in Europe. Up until 100 years ago, Europe was still determing if women had souls. Please.

[Methuselah]

Failed?

http://www.iupui.edu/~msaiupui/thetop100.html?id=61
Got put as no 1 most influential man in history by a christian.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in world, quarter of the population of the world. It has followers from all colors ranging from the americas to Africa to Europe and Asia. In what was the age of empires, he united a bunch of goat herders in a desert sandwiched between the Persians of the east and the Romans to the west, rather being engulfed by them, he spread the message at an alarming rate taking over lands from Spain to northern India. 1400 years later, here we are debating about an illiterate man in the deserts of Arabia. Astonishing if you ask me.

Wrong. Jesus is the most influential person ever. http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/10/whos-biggest-the-100-most-significant-figures-in-history/

Also. Mind over matter. Quality over mass. What has your culture actually produced? Wars? Judeo- Christian culture (let's use this term here this time) has produced the most significant art humanity has ever seen (from Rembrandt to Da Vinci), the rise of science which is scientific revolution (from Copernicus, Newton to Maxwell) and the greatest atheltes of all time like Messi. Now this is astonishing.

This is astonishing.
https://i.ibb.co/5s6Xc59/8c216e50e493b877a02305b476d161bd.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_music

[Mikael19]

Failed. Tried to take Spain, failed in the end. Tried to take Vienna, failed in the end. Eventually you were even chased out of the Balkans. FAILED. Your God was not strong enough.

Failed in Spain? How god how ignorant can you be?!!!! We got our best scholars from spain..

Islam in Spain. Islam was a widespread religion in what is now Spain and Portugal for nine centuries, beginning with the Umayyad conquest of Hispania and ending (at least overtly) with its prohibition by the modern Spanish state in the mid-16th century and the expulsion of the Moriscos in the early 17th century

Nine centuries!! Andalus? I think you need to do some research my friend.

[Mikael19]

Wrong. Jesus is the most influential person ever. http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/10/whos-biggest-the-100-most-significant-figures-in-history/

Also. Mind over matter. Quality over mass. What has your culture actually produced? Wars? Judeo- Christian culture (let's use this term here this time) has produced the most significant art humanity has ever seen (from Rembrandt to Da Vinci), the rise of science which is scientific revolution (from Copernicus, Newton to Maxwell) and the greatest atheltes of all time like Messi. Now this is astonishing.

This is astonishing.
https://i.ibb.co/5s6Xc59/8c216e50e493b877a02305b476d161bd.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_music

Yes of course, atheists will tell you the nightmares they get from their Christian history LOL. Scarred for life.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

Do some research, you are just embarrassing yourself.

https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/so-what-did-the-muslims-do-for-the-jews-1.33597

Jewish chronicle written by a jew about Muslims.

You need look up the first scientists. Who invented algebra and algorithms? If it wasn't for Muslims you wouldn't have universities nor would Europe had come out of the dark ages, nor would you have silly enough to make absurd claims via your mobile or laptop.

But that's all good because you believe the earth is flat. You gave birth to flat earth society and we thank you for that.

[Vojnik]

Failed in Spain? How god how ignorant can you be?!!!! We got our best scholars from spain..

Islam in Spain. Islam was a widespread religion in what is now Spain and Portugal for nine centuries, beginning with the Umayyad conquest of Hispania and ending (at least overtly) with its prohibition by the modern Spanish state in the mid-16th century and the expulsion of the Moriscos in the early 17th century

Nine centuries!! Andalus? I think you need to do some research my friend.


Muslims were kicked out eventually. Thank God. Christians suffered.

[Mikael19]

Muslims were kicked out eventually. Thank God. Christians suffered.

Oh no my friend, the Christians suffered becsude they couldn't exterminate the Jews who were under the protection of the Muslims for nine centuries. You need to research about your religion and what it has done to Europe. When the Muslims left Spain they gave all the jizya back to the Jews, saying they couldn't protect them anymore. Do you know what the Jews did? They told the Muslims they wanted to go with them, that's why before the creation of Israel, morocco had the biggest enclave of Jews.

[Methuselah]

Yes of course, atheists will tell you the nightmares they get from their Christian history LOL. Scarred for life.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

Do some research, you are just embarrassing yourself.

https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/so-what-did-the-muslims-do-for-the-jews-1.33597

Jewish chronicle written by a jew about Muslims.

This is very stupid from your side since i already mentioned Islamic Golden Age in earlier posts. Go and see if you forgot. But where is your golden age now may i ask? I don't see any golden age, any proper science to be made in muslim world nor do i see proper human rights with all the apostasy laws you are having. Now what is embarrassing? Stoning women to death? Or marrying children? Yes, Persians influenced the scientific thinking a lot even before Islam just like Greek philosophers and Indian mathematicians did. And yes, Muslim scientists did some significant things. This still can't be compared to the things European (including European Jews) scientists did, defining the laws of nature.

I'm not claiming we can own this "Christian culture". It's for all of us. Even for you. You can enjoy the music of Bach or Hans Zimmer just like i can. We are on the same line before God. But not in Quran. In Quran Jews and Pagans are pigs. This is sad reality and the reason Muslim world is underdeveloped and full of blood. You can blame it on American soldiers but American soldiers (as ruthless swines as they can sometimes be) are not stoning your own women.

Jesus is even greater than the greatest art Europe has ever produced. Greater than any science. Than any football player. A man from the Bethlehem didn't care about greatness on this earth. His throne is everlasting and his love is for all of us. He loves you as well despite us arguing here and comparing stuff (which is irrelevant actually and will not affect our lives in any way to be honest). But i wanted to say that our Jesus taught to love and not to murder. This is why we don't like Muhammed. I'm just being honest. But this is not the reason to bully Muslims. Any bullying is sin. Telling pure facts is not bullying.

[Mikael19]

This is very stupid from your side since i already mentioned Islamic Golden Age in earlier posts. Go and see if you forgot. But where is your golden age now may i ask? I don't see any golden age, any proper science to be made in muslim world nor do i see proper human rights with all the apostasy laws you are having. Now what is embarrassing? Stoning women to death? Or marrying children? Yes, Persians influenced the scientific thinking a lot even before Islam just like Greek philosophers and Indian mathematicians did. And yes, Muslim scientists did some significant things. This still can't be compared to the things European (including European Jews) scientists did, defining the laws of nature.

I'm not claiming we can own this "Christian culture". It's for all of us. Even for you. You can enjoy the music of Bach or Hans Zimmer just like i can. We are on the same line before God. But not in Quran. In Quran Jews and Pagans are pigs. This is sad reality and the reason Muslim world is underdeveloped and full of blood. You can blame it on American soldiers but American soldiers (as ruthless swines as they can sometimes be) are not stoning your own women.

Jesus is even greater than the greatest art Europe has ever produced. Greater than any science. Than any football player. A man from the Bethlehem didn't care about greatness on this earth. His throne is everlasting and his love is for all of us. He loves you as well despite us arguing here and comparing stuff (which is irrelevant actually and will not affect our lives in any way to be honest). But i wanted to say that our Jesus taught to love and not to murder. This is why we don't like Muhammed. I'm just being honest. But this is not the reason to bully Muslims. Any bullying is sin. Telling pure facts is not bullying.

You believe that jesus said these words

Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession.”

Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.”

“Yes, Lord,” she said, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”

Then Jesus answered, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Calling me and you dogs? Wow. Also I don't believe Jesus actually said these words. It's in your bible and you believe what it says. And don't get me started as to why the muslim countries are in tatters. But tell me one thing, you will find humanity and kindness in Muslim countries. Just go and watch the Jewish guy drew binsky and his experiences with Muslims.


https://youtu.be/mEGrV_1Pe_w

[Methuselah]

Yes of course, atheists will tell you the nightmares they get from their Christian history LOL. Scarred for life.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age


You need look up the first scientists. Who invented algebra and algorithms? If it wasn't for Muslims you wouldn't have universities nor would Europe had come out of the dark ages, nor would you have silly enough to make absurd claims via your mobile or laptop.

But that's all good because you believe the earth is flat. You gave birth to flat earth society and we thank you for that.

What nightmares? Our nightmares came from Stalin and Hitler. One was some occult silly man and another crazy atheist psychopath. Those i can call nightmares, just like Muslim human rights.

Everything is based on something. Do you seriously compare Persian scientists (most scientists Arabs had were Persian) to the people who defined the laws of nature?

If we have to thank you for giving us math then you have something to tell to Greeks and Indians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_in_medieval_Islam

[Mikael19]

What nightmares? Our nightmares came from Stalin and Hitler. One was some occult silly man and another crazy atheist psychopath. Those i can call nightmares, just like Muslim human rights.

Everything is based on something. Do you seriously compare Persian scientists (most scientists Arabs had were Persian) to the people who defined the laws of nature?

If we have to thank you for giving us math then you have something to tell to Greeks and Indians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_in_medieval_Islam

Spanish conquistadors, slave trade that enslaved millions of africans, the crusades, the expansion of Europeans to the Americas, the list goes on. I am not denying that Indians and Greeks and Christians didn't make a contribution to our technology and development, but so did Islam. And many were arabs too. I am not gonna comprise a list as I cannot be bothered to be honest.

[Mikael19]

All of this doesn't even matter, the question is, where could the quran possibly have come from?

There is 3 possibilities

Man
God
Devil

[Methuselah]

Spanish conquistadors, slave trade that enslaved millions of africans, the crusades, the expansion of Europeans to the Americas, the list goes on. I am not denying that Indians and Greeks and Christians didn't make a contribution to our technology and development, but so did Islam. And many were arabs too. I am not gonna comprise a list as I cannot be bothered to be honest.
Don't bother bringing any lists since i'm pretty much involved in natural sciences myself. And i do like stuff some Persians and few Arabs did! I'm just saying you can't compare it to the things were done in Europe. I'm not hating on anyone. I'm hating on the influence tyrants like Mohammed left. Imagine me saying this somewhere in Malmö. People would try to attack me. We don't attack anyone physically for making jokes about us. Isn't it some type of evidence about Muslim culture, no?

All of this doesn't even matter, the question is, where could the quran possibly have come from?

There is 3 possibilities

Man
God
Devil

Quran comes from people who took Tanakh and perverted the whole thing.

Again, i'm not hating on anyone. Arab history is tragic and the story about Hagar and her son Ishamel is beautiful. God blessed their descendants with a lot of oil. It's just that they can't accept the fact it was Isaac who had to stay in the promised land.

[Mikael19]

^ bro I think you are creating a strawman argument. Let's just it leave it at that. You believe what you believe I believe what I believe. I love Europe fyi. I was born here and I am not hating on Europeans.

[Methuselah]

^ bro I think you are creating a strawman argument. Let's just it leave it at that. You believe what you believe I believe what I believe. I love Europe fyi. I was born here and I am not hating on Europeans.

Well. Let's be honest. There are some things we should be concrete about. All religions and all people regardless of the faith have done something wrong. This is not the thing i wanted to point out. I wanted to point on modern human right issues Islam is related to. The fact is that many human right issues stem straight from Quran and still exist in Muslim world. I'm talking about apostasy laws. We don't have laws like that in Europe, because we respect human rights. We had people who fought for freedom and reformation. Muslim world doesn't have that nor do they produce anything significant right now (and right now matters quite a lot) when we talk about science. Having some scientists many hundred years ago doesn't help here. This is something you really can't argue against since you know this very well yourself, living in developed Western Europe. Which is not perfect by any means, but still has plenty good things, like proper human rights for non believers and women. And Muslims too.

I saw many logical shortcomings from your side. If you think i'm a dumb person praising Western culture then look up to that "mobile or laptop" thing you pointed on. Did you know that the most essential things we have in technology are based on some hardcore engineering and very progressed things and not on some medieval Arab/ Persian math? Electronics are based on things like vacuum tubes and transistors, not medieval thoughts. Did you know that these things (Muslim achievements and modern science) just can't be compared despite the fact that many non European things indeed influenced European culture? I'm not saying that Muslim world or Hindu world never produced anything spectacular. I'm just saying that giving birth to modern music, modern physics and electronics and still making progress is something actually astonishing and having only progress in the Middle Ages is not. It's like saying that Bach, Beethoven and Mozart can be compared to very good Muslim composers. And do we really need to fight about this when a tiny population of Jews (they are a part of the western world) produced scientific discoveries worth 129 Nobel prizes and a huge mass of Muslims just 7 of them. Do you still feel like bringing Islamic Golden Age here? I have never heard Indians comparing their stuff with European achievements. Yes they have mathematicians but do they have toilets? No! Yes Muslims have Persian scientists but do they have human rights or are they making any progress in the scientific world? No! Very simple. And this is the reason many Middle Easterners are coming here. Because tyrant laws don't work and can't produce wealth and human rights. And Avicenna is not gonna help here.

Another strange thing you pointed your finger on was Somaliland. A very bad example. Just because it's not a complete hell on earth doesn't mean it's not one of the poorest places on earth. Is this really an example you wanted to bring? Really? One of the poorest places on earth which can't even compare to Ethiopia? Do they have proper human rights or any progress regarding science or technology, medicine? Do they? No! Do they have nice beaches you can swim in? Yes! But this is a very irrelevant thing to point on.

You said i'm putting words in your mouth. I can't personally see it since we left Jesus behind. I understand that he is a holy figure in the Muslim world. But telling you about the differences of Muslim world is not really putting anything in your mouth man. You can show me of course if this happened. If your critic was about me bringing Isaac here, then that is just something i know about Muslims. They think Jews just steal land and stuff. Since the day one. That was my point.

You bringing the fact that Islamic world gave Jews space to breathe and produced people like Maimonides is finally a good point and some solid knowledge. This is a pure fact and it lasted for quite a long time. We can all agree on this that Jewish people had it better back then in the Arabic world. And believe it or not i personally defend Islamic achievements when talking to some of my friends. They point on things like this https://wikiislam.net/wiki/How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World but i personally think it's a bit strange to be so scared of Islam that you just reject everything. Many beautiful things happened in the Middle East despite the fact that Arabs were more like some conquerors even Persians looked down on, before getting defeated. Now let's give Arabs full right to own Persian science since they produced many things of their own and conquered stuff. This is a fact. Another fact is that mongols played a role in stopping that progress and here we should agree as well. But there are more facts, like Quran's apostasy laws which are actually holding the Muslim world back from any success. This is a pure fact. If being harsh worked before it is not working out anymore. And this is where i see Mohammed falling down. We can of course blame it on USA again, but i would like to hear your personal opinions on apostasy laws.

The videos you showed us were very chaotic. There is an old man trying to articulate, some barely sitting granny and a furious ADD knife cutting through everything he sees. That dude had good and solid points regarding God's possible involvement in Big Bang but ruined everything by going too fast and being arrogant, not really delivering anything precious. Same goes for another video where he discusses Quran. Both The Bible and Quran have something you can talk in awe of, claiming "oh my, they predicted this and that scientific discover". It's not that fascinating really. Neither is it fascinating to furiously attack with arguments which fail from the very beginning, like claiming that Quran is God's work just because they mention so and Bible is not because they don't directly mention anything. This is a very dumb thing to claim, since we Christians still believe that Jesus is a God who came as a human to earth. Claiming that writers of the New Testament were not influenced by God JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MENTION IT DIRECTLY ALL THE TIME (despite the fact that people were surrounded by Jesus who is God in Christianity) is so freaking dumb. Just saying. Putting God's name in the book is not telling anything really, that God wrote it or something. It isn't that hard. Your youtube hero is kinda street smart dude. But that's it. If he actually would go deeper than that into some Kalam cosmological argument type of things... But no, he was only running forward, proving something to himself and then enjoyed himself. What a hero he is.

[Loki]

All of this doesn't even matter, the question is, where could the quran possibly have come from?

There is 3 possibilities

Man
God
Devil

The devil. We have to be clear and honest about these things. It is the devil who wants to pervert the true message of God, which is salvation through Jesus Christ. That is the only truth you need to know if you want eternal life with God in heaven...

[The Lawspeaker]

From the feverish schizophrenic mind of a possessed highwayman/kiddie fiddler. Who made him who he was (as a person) - nature - as inbreeding has always been the norm in that part of the world. But who used that diseased mind to bring terror to the world ?

https://www.ucg.org/files/styles/full_grid9/public/image/article/2011/02/07/is-there-devil-enemy-of-mankind.jpg

And that means that every Muslim out there is, essentially, a Devil worshipper.

[Cadash]

It came from a Syriac Christian Liturgy worded in Aramaic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Syro-Aramaic_Reading_of_the_Koran
Muhammad also didn't exist. He was invented by Yazid and his descandants, who wanted something fill the vaccum created by the discontent with Byzantine Christianity and Persian Mithratidism and Zoroastrianism.
Read this for more info
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13231290-did-muhammad-exist
Mecca wasn't Mecca, it was some city in Syria. Islam is more accurately a Syrian religion which uses Arabia as its base to show its distance from Byzantine religion and convert its people.

I'd recommend any Muslim linguists to read this and then give their unbiased suggestions. Quran sounds like gibberish in Arabic but very accurate in Aramaic.
Rather than involving biblical fantasies or devils, we should read the actual accounts of linguists.

[Pacific Highlander]

I am not denying that Indians and Greeks and Christians didn't make a contribution to our technology and development, but so did Islam. And many were arabs too. I am not gonna comprise a list as I cannot be bothered to be honest.

97% of scientific inventions and accomplishment occured in Europe and North America.
https://i.imgur.com/ka8hDHH.jpg

[Loki]

Spanish conquistadors, slave trade that enslaved millions of africans, the crusades, the expansion of Europeans to the Americas, the list goes on.

It was necessary in order to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. See today... all of Latin America is Christian (and the North). It's obviously the work of God.

[Ruggery]

Failed in Spain? How god how ignorant can you be?!!!! We got our best scholars from spain..

Islam in Spain. Islam was a widespread religion in what is now Spain and Portugal for nine centuries, beginning with the Umayyad conquest of Hispania and ending (at least overtly) with its prohibition by the modern Spanish state in the mid-16th century and the expulsion of the Moriscos in the early 17th century

Nine centuries!! Andalus? I think you need to do some research my friend.

http://arquehistoria.com/files/pelayo.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0bzNsij00KBcXfhLwQGeJ0J8PkoTws 9EVseBk9kMyJuWg2IzE
https://www.elplural.com/uploads/s1/33/66/8/toma-de-granada.jpeg

[Ruggery]

The origin of Allah is from a pagan god of the moon.
Why do you think the symbol of Islam is a half moon?

[MMurt7]

Like other religions,from a man who is called as a prophet.

[JosephK]

Came from Archangel Gabriel, did it not?

[Avicenna]

From the creator of the heavens and earth . Would be happy to answer some questions from some peeps who are curious .

[Avicenna]

Came from Archangel Gabriel, did it not?

The Quran claims that the author of it is God . Angel Gabriel was just a messenger to prophet Muhammed pbuh by giving him revelation .

[Östsvensk]

From the creator of the heavens and earth . Would be happy to answer some questions from some peeps who are curious .

The Qur'an says faces will turn black if the person is a sinner, and faces will turn white if the person is not (3:106, 39:60). In light of this, what will happen to black people?

[Jehan]

From the creator of the heavens and earth . Would be happy to answer some questions from some peeps who are curious .

You seems to be muslim and live in england.
Why don't you just go live in a muslim country?

[Avicenna]

The Qur'an says faces will turn black if the person is a sinner, and faces will turn white if the person is not (3:106, 39:60). In light of this, what will happen to black people?

Hope this clears it up

https://www.reddit.com/r/MuslimsRespond/comments/9aod8b/quran_3106_3960_in_context/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

[Avicenna]

You seems to be muslim and live in england.
Why don't you just go live in a muslim country?

Because this is my home . What a dumb question .

Why don't you go and tell all the ethnic Muslim English folks to "go to a Muslim country " purely because they choose to live as a Muslim .

[Jehan]

Because this is my home . What a dumb question .

Why don't you go and tell all the ethnic Muslim English folks to "go to a Muslim country " purely because they choose to live as a Muslim .

No it's not your home. You are not european.

And yes they should go live somewhere else.

[Aileron]

From God of course

[Avicenna]

No it's not your home. You are not european.

And yes they should go live somewhere else.

Oh yeah ? Come and kick me out lol.

Edit : I'm sorry , I actually meant come and kick US out .

[Ford]

From Arabs who decided to call it god's word.

[JosephK]

Oh yeah ? Come and kick me out lol.

Edit : I'm sorry , I actually meant come and kick US out .

Surah 4: 101. "When you travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers may attack you: For the Unbelievers are open enemies to you."

[Avicenna]

Surah 4: 101. "When you travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers may attack you: For the Unbelievers are open enemies to you."

How do you understand this verse ?

I suggest you read up on the historical context of this Surah ( An Nisa)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An-Nisa

[Jehan]

How do yo deal with all the scientific mystake inside the qoran?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yMD99gyr14&list=PLqx2MGQd88grnkm216MDByZl5lKCldkY6&index=2&t=2694s

[Östsvensk]

How do yo deal with all the scientific mystake inside the qoran?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yMD99gyr14&list=PLqx2MGQd88grnkm216MDByZl5lKCldkY6&index=2&t=2694s

I watched the Aron Ra moderated debate between the Apostate Prophet and Nadir Ahmed. Nadir said that mustakr in Arabic meant stability (not stop as it reads in English translations), and he gave as an example that his wife had previously told him that he could not debate, because he was not mustakr.

[Avicenna]

How do yo deal with all the scientific mystake inside the qoran?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yMD99gyr14&list=PLqx2MGQd88grnkm216MDByZl5lKCldkY6&index=2&t=2694s

Bringing me this fool who blatantly takes things out of context /decieve /lies to his followers ? What next ? Christian prince or David wood ? Haha Lol I cannot take you seriously . Thankfully we have people who refutes this clowns nonsensical claims . Check out my brother Farid responds lol. He gets grilled. All. The . Time .


https://youtu.be/6RTehKGfdCU

Nice try though.

[Jehan]

Thanks to make me loose my time watching thoses bullshits.

[Avicenna]

Thanks to make me loose my time watching thoses bullshits.

It's only bullshit because it doesn't confide with your pre disposed agendas . People like you latch and fan girl on clowns like apostate prostate , CP , David wood , Sam shamoun , hatun , jay smith, Abdullah Sameer and the likes because you desperately need to be told Islam cannot be true . because on the balance of probability if it is true then you need to re evaluate your whole life choices . What you don't know is that these guys have ALL been refuted and actually laughed and mocked . Do you know how many converts post their comments saying they took their shahahda whilst they used to listen to those clowns ?