Rank from more Orientalid to less Orientalid please.

[cyberlorian]

Iranians
Iraqis
Syrians

[Dekziiro]

Iraqis
Syrians
Iranians

[cyberlorian]

Iraqis
Syrians
Iranians

I am not sure about the tanking of Iranians and Syrians to be honest.


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[Gangrel]

Iraqis
Iranians
Syrians

Orientalid also includes Iranid types

[Fibonacci]

I am not sure about the tanking of Iranians and Syrians to be honest.


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Syria has been conquered by the Templars, Greeks, Romans, french, British and god knows how many more European countries have entered Syria since its birth. What do you think the rank is? Iran is probably the only country in West Asia that has defended itself against any European settlement and migration. This is the reason why you find pale skinned blue eyed features in Syria. Templars and Romans settled in that general area many times in the past. So did the Greeks and Byzantine as they had forts in Syrian cities.

ive seen Anglo Saxon phenotypes in Lebanon as well. I am pretty sure a pure Assyrian phenotype is much more eastern looking than Iranid since Iranid is derived from nordid and has similarities

http://imgur.com/sy5Orhr.jpg

[vargas]

Iraqis
Syrians
Iranians

[cyberlorian]

Iraqis
Syrians
Iranians

Iranians might be more Orientalid than Syrians, I guess.


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[cyberlorian]

Syria has been conquered by the Templars, Greeks, Romans, french, British and god knows how many more European countries have entered Syria since its birth. What do you think the rank is? Iran is probably the only country in West Asia that has defended itself against any European settlement and migration. This is the reason why you find pale skinned blue eyed features in Syria. Templars and Romans settled in that general area many times in the past. So did the Greeks and Byzantine as they had forts in Syrian cities.

ive seen Anglo Saxon phenotypes in Lebanon as well. I am pretty sure a pure Assyrian phenotype is much more eastern looking than Iranid since Iranid is derived from nordid and has similarities

http://imgur.com/sy5Orhr.jpg

Iranid has been derived from Orientalid. Not from Nordid.

[Hadouken]

Iranid has been derived from Orientalid. Not from Nordid.

iranid has been derived from baltid

[Dekziiro]

iranid has been derived from baltid

Absolutely not.

[cyberlorian]

Syria has been conquered by the Templars, Greeks, Romans, french, British and god knows how many more European countries have entered Syria since its birth. What do you think the rank is? Iran is probably the only country in West Asia that has defended itself against any European settlement and migration. This is the reason why you find pale skinned blue eyed features in Syria. Templars and Romans settled in that general area many times in the past. So did the Greeks and Byzantine as they had forts in Syrian cities.

ive seen Anglo Saxon phenotypes in Lebanon as well. I am pretty sure a pure Assyrian phenotype is much more eastern looking than Iranid since Iranid is derived from nordid and has similarities

http://imgur.com/sy5Orhr.jpg

By the way, the chart consist of a lot of mistakes, since it is very amateur.

[cyberlorian]

Absolutely not.

He is trolling.

[Hadouken]

Absolutely not.

ok faelid then

[Fibonacci]

Iranid has been derived from Orientalid. Not from Nordid.

I wouldn't say Orientalid at all, That's not what coon says,

Carleton S. Coon in his The Races of Europe classifies the Indo-Afghans and Irano-Afghans as Nordic, describing them as being long-faced, high-headed and leptorrhine (having long and narrow noses). Bertil Lundman by contrast postulates an "Iranid" subtype of his "Eastern Mediterranean" race. Earnest Hooton in 1946 describes the "Iranian Plateau type" as distinct from the Atlanto-Mediterranean one


John Lawrence Angel following Coon in 1971 discusses a "Nordic-Iranian type" in the following terms:
D1 lies between Anglo-Saxon and Keltic area norms, and D2 is the earlier pre-Bronze Age Corded form which Coon identifies. Type D3, lighter and more hawk-nosed, is transitional to the Mediterranean type B4 and to type D4 (Iranian), which is the Proto-Iranian of Vallois, Irano-Afghan of others, and Proto-Nordic of Krogman, and which is more linear and more rugged than D3 and has a more tilted chewing plane, more nasal convexity, and deeper occiput. Type D5 approximates Coon's Danubian-Halstatt and successor Central European forms.

I also found this but it differs from the first one. Though it doesn't say that Iranid is a manifest of orientalid
http://imgur.com/15Mvn6S.jpg

[Fibonacci]

By the way, the chart consist of a lot of mistakes, since it is very amateur.

You wanna give me your information? I'm curious

[cyberlorian]

You wanna give me your information? I'm curious

In fact, Orientalids is just darker pigmented Mediterranids and also, they are somehow in a Nordiform. Why in a Nordiform? Because they have large eye sockets like Nordid. I guess, the differences between Iranid and Arabid are:

Iranids' head is usually larger and they are usually taller than Arabids. Also, Iranids have relatively lighter pigmentation when compared to Arabids.

[cyberlorian]

You wanna give me your information? I'm curious

In fact, classification of phenotypes are very ambiguous. Some say that Iranid is East Mediterranid, some say that Iranid is Orientalid, some say that Dinarids are just brachy Mediterranids, some say that Pontid and North Pontid are the same thing, some say that Pontid is a one of the East Mediterranid types. In other words, phenotypical classifications are might not be true most of the times. For example, in the first chart, Saharid is shown as Berberid + Arabid. However, yesterday, in some other thread, I saw that Saharid is Atlanto Mediterranid + minor Negroid.

[cyberlorian]

You wanna give me your information? I'm curious

A small information about Iranid:
Field (1939) and Hooton (1946) call it Iranian Plateau type, Coon (1939) and Cole (1965) Irano Afghan, Bunak's (1960) Caspian is similar, like Oshanin's (1964) Khurasan race. Eickstedt (1952, 1961), Bernhard (1993) and Knussmann (1996) define Iranid as an Orientalid subrace, Biasutti (1967) even its the main variety "Iraniana", Lundman (1967) describes Iranid as an East Mediterranid influenced by Arabid.

[Fibonacci]

In fact, classification of phenotypes are very ambiguous. Some say that Iranid is East Mediterranid, some say that Iranid is Orientalid, some say that Dinarids are just brachy Mediterranids, some say that Pontid and North Pontid are the same thing, some say that Pontid is a one of the East Mediterranid types. In other words, phenotypical classifications are might not be true most of the times. For example, in the first chart, Saharid is shown as Berberid + Arabid. However, yesterday, in some other thread, I saw that Saharid is Atlanto Mediterranid + minor Negroid.

I would say classical Arabid is probably the definition of an orientalid because of its non Europid features. On Iranids however, you can definitely find Europid and sharp features. Anything from straight and narrow noses to narrow lips and similar facial structure to Atlanto meds.

What would you classify Irano nordids? They definitely do not look like they belong in the ME. Many of them are depigmented Iranids but as soon as they're pigmented, they are classified as orientalids

[cyberlorian]

I would say classical Arabid is probably the definition of an orientalid because of its non Europid features. On Iranids however, you can definitely find Europid and sharp features. Anything from straight and narrow noses to narrow lips and similar facial structure to Atlanto meds.

What would you classify Irano nordids? They definitely do not look like they belong in the ME. Many of them are depigmented Iranids but as soon as they're pigmented, they are classified as orientalids

Arabid is also Europid just like Iranid. By the way, I guess you are confusing Iranid type with some other type. These guys are Iranid examples from some anthropology books:

http://s007.radikal.ru/i302/1011/87/5fcb8c8184f1.jpg

http://b2.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p483438/Image6.jpg

[Hadouken]

Arabid is also Europid just like Iranid. By the way, I guess you are confusing Iranid type with some other type. These guys are Iranid examples from some anthropology books:

http://s007.radikal.ru/i302/1011/87/5fcb8c8184f1.jpg

http://b2.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p483438/Image6.jpg

omg so kurdish !

[Kukushka]

omg so kurdish !

can he pass

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FbmtEY6bLww/WJQgbdrB-aI/AAAAAAAAMPI/jVJtulTSoc8mqLRHM9tHo0eDD__srrFOgCLcB/s1600/young_Stalin_5.jpg

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Mugshot-of-Joseph-Stalin-held-by-Okharna-the-Tsarist-Secret-Police-1911-small.jpg

[Hadouken]

can he pass

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FbmtEY6bLww/WJQgbdrB-aI/AAAAAAAAMPI/jVJtulTSoc8mqLRHM9tHo0eDD__srrFOgCLcB/s1600/young_Stalin_5.jpg

not really

[cyberlorian]

I would say classical Arabid is probably the definition of an orientalid because of its non Europid features. On Iranids however, you can definitely find Europid and sharp features. Anything from straight and narrow noses to narrow lips and similar facial structure to Atlanto meds.

What would you classify Irano nordids? They definitely do not look like they belong in the ME. Many of them are depigmented Iranids but as soon as they're pigmented, they are classified as orientalids

Iranids mostly looks closer to the other Middle Easterns rather than Europeans.

[Kukushka]

Iranids mostly looks closer to the other Middle Easterns rather than Europeans.

OWd'si var

[Kukushka]

not really

I think he iranid+turanid

[cyberlorian]

I think he iranid+turanid

I would say Armenoid.

[CommonSense]

I think he iranid+turanid

He is a Taurid, look at that high-vaulted, flattened cranium

[Kukushka]

He is a Taurid, look at that high-vaulted, flattened cranium

He has asian influenced eyes (his father is ossetian btw):

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-91a6C05QeYk/UWCBLYG5BII/AAAAAAAAD5k/dQ0a6Pm_6vA/s1600/Mugshot+of+Joseph+Stalin+held+by+Okharna+the+Tsari st+Secret+Police,+1911.jpg

[Hadouken]

I think he iranid+turanid

xD

[CommonSense]

He has asian influenced eyes (his father is ossetian btw):

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-91a6C05QeYk/UWCBLYG5BII/AAAAAAAAD5k/dQ0a6Pm_6vA/s1600/Mugshot+of+Joseph+Stalin+held+by+Okharna+the+Tsari st+Secret+Police,+1911.jpg

His eyes are normal, Taurid types often have narrow apertures:

https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE5NTU2MzE2Mzc0NDY4MTA3/joseph-stalin-9491723-1-402.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe391.jpg

[Kukushka]

xD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_gbxGeU7LQ

[cyberlorian]

His eyes are normal, Taurid types often have narrow apertures:



apertures =?= eye sockets

[CommonSense]

apertures =?= eye sockets

Space between the eyelids.

[Hadouken]

Cockoshka you idiot !

[Dekziiro]

His eyes are normal, Taurid types often have narrow apertures:

https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE5NTU2MzE2Mzc0NDY4MTA3/joseph-stalin-9491723-1-402.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe391.jpg

He looks like a Mtebid (Georgian)/Classic Caucasid (Chechen, Ingush, Osset) mix

[Dekziiro]

My bad, he's actually a Southern Caucasid.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257907-The-Caucasian-Phenotypes

[Fibonacci]

He has asian influenced eyes (his father is ossetian btw):

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-91a6C05QeYk/UWCBLYG5BII/AAAAAAAAD5k/dQ0a6Pm_6vA/s1600/Mugshot+of+Joseph+Stalin+held+by+Okharna+the+Tsari st+Secret+Police,+1911.jpg

That's Stalin. He can pass in Iran. So can the Russian football coach, who is fully Ossetian.

[Fibonacci]

Iranids mostly looks closer to the other Middle Easterns rather than Europeans.

Never said Iranids look European but Iranids can easily have Europid features. Some Iranids tend to look more med than middle eastern so I can't say I agree with looking like other middle easterners. I think Iranids have their own distinct look. Not comparable to any other

[cyberlorian]

Never said Iranids look European but Iranids can easily have Europid features. Some Iranids tend to look more med than middle eastern so I can't say I agree with looking like other middle easterners. I think Iranids have their own distinct look. Not comparable to any other

Iranid is intermediate between East Mediterranid and Arabid. This might be the reason.