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Dekziiro
09-01-2018, 05:57 PM
PONTID TYPES
Type developed in Asia Minor and the north-western Caucasus in 4th-3rd mill. BC by mixing Near Eastern brachycephalic and Mediterranean dolichocephalic tribes. Described in 1932 by Bunak. There are Northwestern, Southwestern, Pyatigor, Colchis, Lower Danube, Byzantine types. South-Western Pontic type is similar to the Caspian branch of Indo-Iranian type.

Very high percent of blood group II (A), particularly A2 (5% of carriers of group II (A)). Such high percent high of A2 have Caucasian and Lapponoid types.

1. Northwestern / Kuban
High height (>170cm) with medium bones and long torso, hair is coarse, straight, black and often hazel, eyes can be black, brown or gray, the eye slit is narrow, horizontal and or Near East straight eyebrows often fused, medium moustache and beard sparse, the face is narrow, long, angular, cheeks are seen in profile, and the forehead is high.
Mesocephaly (80-81), often sub-brachycephaly, the nose is long, narrow, straight, non-protruding; tip horizontal, sometimes raised, very often, the nose and the forehead forms a single line, the lips are thick, the chin is high, non-protruding, the occiput is convex and the ears are high with long lobes.
Common in Adygs (Circassians except Western Circassians).
http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/p17f4.jpg
http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/pont/myshako3vekne.jpg
http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/pont/pontdone.jpg

2. Southwestern
Similar, with medium height (164-165cm), usually black hair and black eyes with almost no light shades, the face is broad.
Common in Western Adygs (Circassians), Shapsugs and Bjedugs.

3. Pyatigor (mixed with Caucasids)
Similar as Kuban, but with sometimes hooked nose; tip horizontal, common in Kabarda, part of Ingushes and Ossetes.

4. Colchis
Similar, but with different height, (164-165cm but 166-167 in Laz people), eventually, some blonde hair and gray eyes, mostly at Abkhaz and Abaza, the body hair is developped, specially the nose is broad flat back (sometimes concave) and the occiput is flat.
Common in Abkhaz, Abaza, Megrels, Lechhum, Laz, Guri, Imeret, Imerh.
http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/abhaz.jpg
http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/abazin1.gif



CAUCASIAN TYPES
Type formed in the 3rd mill. BC in Caucasus Mountains highlands from proto-Near Eastern type. It is found only in the Caucasus. It was described by Natishvili and Abdushelishvili in 1954. Some scientists believe that Caucasian type was formed from ancient Cro-Magnon people of Caucasus mountains and migrant Hurrians-Urartians Near Eastern type. In many respects Caucasian type is similar with Pontic type. Parallel forms are ultra-Dinaric type (Balkan Borrebis) of Karatag (Montenegro), Albania, and Crete with lower skull and darker color. The Russian anthropology (Alekseev, Alekseeva) equated Caucasian type with Dinaric type, which is fundamentally not true. Are discerned Central, Southern, and Dagestani clusters.
Very high percent of blood group II (A), particularly A2 (5% of carriers of group II (A)). Such high percent high of A2 have Caucasian and Lapponoid types.

1. Central Caucasid
High height (>170cm), medium bones and long torso, the hair is coarse, straight, black/brown/reddish-chestnut and hazel, eyes are brown and gray, with narrow and horizontal eye slits, straight eyebrows, developped body hair, face is low and broad (14-6, 14-8cm), angular, wide subtle cheeks and low forehead.
Brachycephaly (84-85), nose is long, wide, flaring to the tip, nose bridge is narrow, and the nose profile is straight, rarely convex, tip horizontal or bent down.
Lips are thick, the chin is low, sharp, protruding and narrow jaw, occiput is convex, ears are high with long lobes.
Common in Karachai, Balkar, Ossetians, Ingush, Chechen, Batsbiy, Avar-Ando-Tsez, part of Mountain Jews (Tats).
http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/ripley335.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/f39czl.jpg

2. Southern Caucasid
Similar but with average height, long and wide nose, and the nose profile : upper third hump, tip horizontal.
Common in Svan, Khevsur, Mohe, Tush, Pshavi, Mtiul, Gudamakar, Rachi, South Osset (Iron).
http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/svan.jpg

3. East Caucasid (Dagestani)
Similar as Central Caucasid but with medium and low height, black hair (almost never blonde or reddish) and black eyes, weak body hair, mesocephaly (78-79).
Common in Lezgin, Dargin, Lak, Hinalug, part of Karabakh.
http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/ripley3A.jpg




NEAR-EASTERN TYPES
Initially this type was ancient Nostratic (of “Macrofamilies”), living from Palestine (pra-Kartvel Rephaim) to Mesopotamia and Zagros ridge in Iran (ancient Semites) and Alarodians (Sino-Caucasians). That type formed the core of the Indo-Iranian branch (mestization with Australoid Veddoid race in Iran and India), and includs the Semito-Aravian admixture (mestization of Armenoids with Dravidians and Mediterraneans of Arabia). Described in 1911 by von Lushan. In many respects Near Easterners are close to Caucasoids and Dinarians (Balkans), but differ by small stature, shape of nose and flatness of the occiput. Other terms for this type are: Armenoid, Alarodian (Urartu), Syrian-Zagros, Semitic, Pontic-Zagros, Hettic, Assyroid, and Taurian. Deniker calls this type Assyroid and believed that it is characterized by straight, narrow nose. The incidence of straight nasal line has no geographic association, it is a result of frequent mestization Armenians and Jews with other peoples (mostly, if other people professed Judaism or Gregorianism, because frequently mono-ethnic religious confession was identified with ethnicity). There are albino, usually within the phenotype of the central cluster - Near Eastern features, plus blonde hair and eyes. Some of the alternative names for Near Eastern type are used to denote related types, for example the Assyroid type, common among the Kurds and Assyrians, is less brachycephalic and the nose is straight and narrow. The Semito-Aravian (aklso euphemized as Afro-Aravian) type is often called Semitic type.

For the peoples of Near Eastern type is typical blood group II (A).

The “Sino-Caucasian” species makes as much sense as a “Feline Dog” species, in both cases their genetics is totally different and kinship is excluded. “Sino-Caucasian” category is a somewhat accepted strictly linguistic hypothesis-isolate, concocted in insularity of any discipline outside of some particular linguistic models, to explain Sino-Caucasian linguistical correspondences that with Occam Razor would be explained by regular cultural borrowings, in conformance with other disciplines, from the people who populated both Northern China and Caucasus: the Türkic nomadic tribes, Zhou and Juns in China, and As-guzai Scythians in the Caucasus.

1. Near-eastern
Small height, heavy-boned, black coarse and curly hair, mostly black eyes, with some exotic hues (like dark blue, dull-green or black with turquoise), wide eye slit with Near-Eastern typology (outer corner of eye is below inner corner), well-developped body hair, extending on forehead, joined eyebrows, haired back.
Oval and broad (up to 143mm) face, not high, cheeks non-protruding, eyebrows arched.
Brachycephaly (86-88), the nose is long, broad, convex, hump in the middle third, tip is bent downwards, visible nasal septum.
Thick lips, upper lip protrudes above lower lip, the chin is small, non-protruding, broad jaw, the occiput is flat (distinctive trait of Near-Eastern type), the ears are small often without lobes.
Common in Armenians, Turks (center and eastern), Meskhet Turks, Jews of Israel, Syrian-Palestine Arabs (Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan), some Western-Iranian nations (Lurs, Bakhtiaris, Talysh, Muslim Kurds), Djavahi, Meskhi.


2. Anatolid
Growth from low to high, thick-boned, the hair is dark black, the location of the eyes is Asian, but weakly expressed, the eyes most often black and brown.
Brachycephaly with high forehead, Tte face is flat narrow rectangular, the eyebrows are more straight and the chin is protruding.
The nose is long, slightly protruding, the back straight or slightly convex, but not arcuate, they have a developed hairline, skull narrow and high, the occiput is flat.
Clearly, it's a more gracile-refined, leptomorphic, transitional to Dinaro-Mediterranoid forms.
Common in Anatolia, some kurds and armenians.

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe423.jpg
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe423.jpg

3. Mtebid
Similar as Near-Eastern, but with medium height, black or hazel hair, brown and gray eyes, horizontal eye slit, wide face, and long, straight, broad nose.
Common in Georgians : Kakhetians, Kartli, Fereydan, Ingiloy.
http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/mtebid/47882.jpg
http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/mtebid/ag-055.jpg

4. Progressive Armenids
Dinarised Iranids of a more robust form. Highly progressive, warrior-like variants. Tall, lean and war-like herdsmen of the highlands. Prevalent in the Caucasus mountains.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4827&stc=1&d=1274911687

5. Reduced (Southern) Armenids
Alpinised tendency. Adapted to a more sedentary, peaceful way of life as farmers and urban people. Common in the fertile crescent and adjacent areas.
http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss265/B1830188/unian/6601e599.jpg


CASPID TYPE
Formed from the Pamir-Fergana (low-statue brachycephals), Indo-Iranian and Balkan-Caucasus branch (Near Eastern type) of Caucasian race. Described by Bunak in 1947. It is a least correlated type. Stable traits ​​are: height, eye color, hair color, skull structure. The nasal back is usually straight, but with mestization with Armenoid (Assyrians, Armenians, Jews) appears a convex shape.
Most typical for the Caspian type people is group of blood III (B)
Type is divided into Western and eastern (Turkmen) clusters.

Essentially, Caspian type describes Türkic people around Caspian Sea area and their extensions to the west (Balkan-Caucasus branch) and south (Arabs, Iraqi (eastern part), Kuwaiti Arabs, apparently Türkic Persians, Western Iranians). In reverse chronological order, the Türkic people around Caspian Sea included

Turkish peoples (a compendium of genetically autonomous tribes with prevailing Turkmen component)
Kumyk (a compendium of genetically autonomous tribes, the Hunnic Kayi, Gilan, Masgut/Alan, Balkar As, Tokhar Digor, Savir, Bulgar and Khazar, with no detectable prevalence of any component)
Savir (Svan, Swan, or Svanet in Georgia)
Masgut/Alan (Meskhi tribe ~ Meskhetian Türks, scattered after consecutive deportations)
Azeri (Azerbajan and Persia or Iran; Ingiloy in Georgia)

The Caspian type supposedly formed in the process of settlement in the Caucasus from the south-east, and the Caucasian and Pontic types were influenced by the northern peoples, who were spreading in southerly direction to the central regions of the Caucasus mountain range and to the Asia Minor in the west. “Peoples of the Caucasus” The migration of the Russians was accompanied by spread of light-eyed and fair-haired Nordic type (“Peoples of the Caucasus”).


1. Caspian / Caspid
Low/medium height (<164-166cm), heavy-boned, black and dark-brown hair (93%) with black eyes (80%), some dull green, Near-Eastern type, the eye slit is medium, horizontal, 30% Mongoloid shape, between eyes distance large, arched eyebrows, body hair is medium.
Face is round, medium and narrow, high, cheeks non-protruding, with mesocephaly and sub-brachycephaly (77-80), the nose is short, broad, protruding, straight back, tip horizontal or raised, lips are thick, the chin is low and non-protruding, broad lower jaw, large space between nose and upper lip.
Convex occiput and the ears have long lobes, common in Azeri, Kumyk, Persian, Arabs, Iraqi (eastern part), Kuwaiti Arabs, Tat-Muslim, Ingiloy (Georgian Azeri), and other Western Iranian peoples (except Kurd, Lur and Bakhtiari)

Azeri : http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/ripley23A.jpg http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/new/az4.jpg http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/iCA6WAB9W.jpg
Armenian : http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/rasa_caucase.files/zara.jpg http://vestnikkavkaza.net/upload2/files/Armyanskie-pesni-vsegda-teplo-prinimayut-v-Rossii.jpg

Dekziiro
09-01-2018, 05:59 PM
PS: "Caucasian" = Caucasus.
PS2: Images may not be correct.
PS3 : I said North Caucasians have brown hair, but a Caucasid can have Baltid/Nordid influence (as they score 20-30% North European on calculators) or can just be depigmented.

Dekziiro
09-01-2018, 07:18 PM
And i hope people can differ Mtebid and Caucasid now, because these types are different.

vargas
09-01-2018, 08:24 PM
And i hope people can differ Mtebid and Caucasid now, because these types are different.

are they different?

Hadouken
09-01-2018, 08:25 PM
I dont think that man is a good example of Anatolid . he looks rather like that progressive Armenid type . if I am not wrong he is also an Armenid plate and not Anatolid no ?

Catarinense1998
09-01-2018, 08:26 PM
Very good thread. Great ideia. Congrats.

Dekziiro
09-01-2018, 09:01 PM
Yes Mtebid and Caucasid are very different.
And as i said i maybe did some mistakes with the pics.
And thx Catarinense

Noxv
09-02-2018, 11:21 AM
Yes Mtebid and Caucasid are very different.
And as i said i maybe did some mistakes with the pics.
And thx Catarinense

There was a big study on the anthropology of the Caucasus by Russians in the 1800s, they compared the height and who has more light colored eyes. The Study is in Russian though.
http://racology.ru/rasyi-kavkaza-pantyuhov-i-i

Sick Like
09-02-2018, 01:18 PM
European pontids are more different, they have soft traits

Gangrel
09-02-2018, 02:03 PM
Fuck kind of bullshit is this

Zroota
09-02-2018, 02:24 PM
I dont think that man is a good example of Anatolid . he looks rather like that progressive Armenid type . if I am not wrong he is also an Armenid plate and not Anatolid no ?
And is he even brachy? He looks long headed and more in the meso range. :confused: