IS R the Y-DNA of cromagnids?

[Joso]

If, yes it would explain the physical similarities between cro-magnids and amerindians. Because the Y-DNA Q( amerindians and Siberians) is very close to the Y-DNA R( Slavs and scithians) and Slavic countryes are the ones with most cromagnids( including alpinids and baltids).

Some comparisons:

Amerindian and cro-magnon:

https://i0.wp.com/askwhy.co.uk/dinosauroids/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/indian_cromagnon0-e1354575670883.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTN4plwjrcHjq2jDcZBusMisg-zdSxMP3PHsFb_IEJpJXae-Pav

Amerindian and dinarid( a common type among slavic nations):

http://i39.tinypic.com/2h5ju5z.png

[Norb]

no it is I people ;)

[Joso]

no it is I people ;)

Oh ok but is not R the hablogroups of baltids? Baltids are just reduced cromagnids

[cyberlorian]

Oh ok but is not R the hablogroups of baltids? Baltids are just reduced cromagnids

In fact, phenotypes are not so relevant with haplogroups. An Australoid phenotyped person can also be I1 or R1a.

[Joso]

In fact, phenotypes are not so relevant with haplogroups. An Orientalid phenotyped person can also be I1 or R1a.

Phenotypes are relevant yes, don't be so cuck and no, an orientalid can ONLY be J1.

[cyberlorian]

Phenotypes are relevant yes, don't be so cuck and no, an orientalid can ONLY be J1.

You are wrong mister. R1a is the second most common phenotype in Iran and most Iranians are either Orientalid or Armenoid.

[Bosniensis]

I2 and I1 proto-european haplogroup

R1 are Asian people.

[Kaspias]

I2 and I1 proto-european haplogroup

R1 are Asian people.

Tru

[Joso]

You are wrong mister. R1a is the second most common phenotype in Iran and most Iranians are either Orientalid or Armenoid.

Most Iranians are NOT orientalid

And orientalids( ARABS) are J yes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8kMZPLhQ5k&t=15s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqE3_MvY-lg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7cy5QPltE

[Ülev]

(...)Until recently it was believed that R1b originated in Western Europe due to its strong presence in the region today. (...) his scenario was not possible, because older R1b clades were consistently found in Central Asia and the Middle East, and the youngest in Western and Northern Europe.(...)
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#R1b-conquest

[cyberlorian]

Most Iranians are NOT orientalid

Iranid and Arabid are two Orientalid types.

[cyberlorian]

Most Iranians are NOT orientalid

And orientalids( ARABS) are J yes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8kMZPLhQ5k&t=15s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqE3_MvY-lg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7cy5QPltE

What is Iranid then?

[Bosniensis]

Iranid and Arabid are two Orientalid types.

There is quite big difference between Persians and Arabs.

They bear J haplogroup like Persians but they have separated (as people) very long ago.

Persians are closer to Hellenic peoples than Arabs.

[cyberlorian]

There is quite big difference between Persians and Arabs.

They bear J haplogroup like Persians but they have separated (as people) very long ago.

Persians are closer to Hellenic peoples than Arabs.

Gedmatch results of Northern Semites and Iranians are pretty close to each other when compared Iranians with Greeks.

[Ülev]

(...)Until recently it was believed that R1b originated in Western Europe due to its strong presence in the region today. (...) his scenario was not possible, because older R1b clades were consistently found in Central Asia and the Middle East, and the youngest in Western and Northern Europe.(...)
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#R1b-conquest

that means R1aethelians & I1 are

look where Trønder Nordocromagnid occurs and compare with R1a z-284 map on Russian site

http://генофонд.рф/wp-content/uploads/2.6.jpg

http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=5629

[Norb]

Oh ok but is not R the hablogroups of baltids? Baltids are just reduced cromagnids

R is Nordic

[Joso]

I2 and I1 proto-european haplogroup

R1 are Asian people.

Ok so is L the hablogroup of cromagnids?

[cyberlorian]

R is Nordic

Phenotypes and haplogroups might not be so relevant. For example, 49 percent of Kyrgyz people are R1a.

[Joso]

Gedmatch results of Northern Semites and Iranians are pretty close to each other when compared Iranians with Greeks.

That doesn't change the fact iranid is not orientalid, only orientalid is orientalid obviously. And orientalids are J.

[Norb]

Phenotypes and haplogroups might not be so relevant. For example, 49 percent of Kyrgyz people are R1a.

I should have wrote that I in Europe was CM, then R came with Nordic phenotype

[Joso]

Phenotypes and haplogroups might not be so relevant. For example, 49 percent of Kyrgyz people are R1a.

Phentoype IS ALWAYS relevant. Only when a persons is very mixed that phenotype might be not so relevant and most Kyrgiz are mixed.

[cyberlorian]

That doesn't change the fact iranid is not orientalid, only orientalid is orientalid obviously. And orientalids are J.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Haplogroup_J_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG

Orientalid phenotype is no way this prominent among Northeast Caucasian people.

[cyberlorian]

Phentoype IS ALWAYS relevant. Only when a persons is very mixed that phenotype might be not so relevant and most Kyrgiz are mixed.

Are most Kyrgyz people Nordid + Proto-Mongoloid? No way.

[Joso]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/J2%28Y-DNA%29.png/1200px-J2%28Y-DNA%29.png

Orientalid phenotype is no way this prominent among Chechen people.

The map is showing J2 only, orientalids are J1. Look at the videos i showed to you.

[Joso]

Are most Kyrgyz people Nordid + Proto-Mongoloid? No way.

Doesn't matter, most of them are mixed

[cyberlorian]

The map is showing J2 only, orientalids are J1. Look at the videos i showed to you.

Orientalid phenotype is no way this prominent among Northeast Caucasian people:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Haplogroup_J_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG

[cyberlorian]

Doesn't matter, most of them are mixed

Mix of what and what?

[Jana]

R is Nordic

R is originally Amerindian like from Altay, Siberia with ANE autosomal.

[cyberlorian]

R is originally Amerindian like from Altay, Siberia with ANE autosomal.

OP says that only J people can be Orientalid. :picard1:

[Norb]

R is originally Amerindian like from Altay, Siberia with ANE autosomal.

see my post on page 2 - I should have wrote that I in Europe was CM, then R came with Nordic phenotype

[Jana]

see my post on page 2 - I should have wrote that I in Europe was CM, then R came with Nordic phenotype

That is true!

[Kelmendasi]

Most Iranians are NOT orientalid

And orientalids( ARABS) are J yes:

[vido=youtube;w8kMZPLhQ5k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8kMZPLhQ5k&t=15s[/video]

[vido=youtube;LqE3_MvY-lg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqE3_MvY-lg[/video]

[vido=youtube;xp7cy5QPltE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7cy5QPltE[/video]
Not really, E1b1b is a major haplogroup among MENA peoples as well including Arabs

[Kelmendasi]

The map is showing J2 only, orientalids are J1. Look at the videos i showed to you.
You can't link haplogroups to phenotype, a good amount of African Americans are R1b but are in no way European looking. J2 is also a massive haplogroup among Arabs. It is higher than J1 in some Arab groups. Plus J1 is a major haplogroup among Caucasians and they aren't "Orientalid"

[AphroditeWorshiper]

I = WHG

R = EHG

G = Anatolian Neolithic farmers

J = CHG

E = Natufian

[AphroditeWorshiper]

This image explains a lot about Pre history

credits: Jacques de Imbelloni

https://scontent.faep8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32267258_1744881258925772_9112223351295705088_n.pn g?_nc_cat=0&oh=9e779c8372e6f73c1748a4e49a2b9b5e&oe=5BFD9FD6

[Kelmendasi]

I = WHG

R = EHG

G = Anatolian Neolithic farmers

J = CHG

E = Natufian
Looks fairly accurate although R seems to be related to the ANE peoples going by the oldest R sample found, also the Natufians would be more linked to E1b rather than just E.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Looks fairly accurate although R seems to be related to the ANE peoples going by the oldest R sample found, also the Natufians would be more linked to E1b rather than just E.

I think EHGs was almost ANE, but with a little of WHG

[Kelmendasi]

I think EHGs was almost ANE, but with a little of WHG
Yh kinda, it seems that they had gotten R from the ANE

[Joso]

OP says that only J people can be Orientalid. :picard1:

But yes only J can be pure orientalid, the semitic hablogroup, other hablogroups can only be orientalid if they are mixed

[Kelmendasi]

But yes only J can be pure orientalid, the semitic hablogroup, other hablogroups can only be orientalid if they are mixed
J isn't the haplogroup connected to the Semitic language. J originates in the area between the Caucasus and eastern Anatolia and was a haplogroup among the CHG that spoke a Caucasian language most probably. The Afro-Asiatic languages were probably spread by E1b carriers who carried clade like E-M34.

[Joso]

You can't link haplogroups to phenotype, a good amount of African Americans are R1b but are in no way European looking. J2 is also a massive haplogroup among Arabs. It is higher than J1 in some Arab groups. Plus J1 is a major haplogroup among Caucasians and they aren't "Orientalid"

Like i said, phenotype are only not relevant among mixed people. So african americans don't counts, caucasians not too. An yes, maybe J is not so orientalid, but orientalid only J, other hablogroups can only have J phenotype if it is mixed.

[cyberlorian]

But yes only J can be pure orientalid, the semitic hablogroup, other hablogroups can only be orientalid if they are mixed

Then, which haplogroup can only be Alpinid?

[Kelmendasi]

Like i said, phenotype are only not relevant among mixed people. So african americans don't counts, caucasians not too. An yes, maybe J is not so orientalid, but orientalid only J, other hablogroups can only have J phenotype if it is mixed.
But as I said the orientalid phenotype wasn't present originally among J carriers who were CHG people from the Caucasus. If anything Orientalid comes from E-M34 or something like that, that is if these classifications actually are scientific. Europeans carry J as well you know

[Joso]

Then, which haplogroup can only be Alpinid?

I am not saying that J can only be orientalid, i am saing the other way around, pure orientalid can only be J, the only way that orientalid can be other hablogroup is if it is mixed but that can aply for all phentoypes

[Kelmendasi]

I am not saying that J can only be orientalid, i am saing the other way around, pure orientalid can only be J, the only way that orientalid can be other hablogroup is if it is mixed but that can aply for all phentoypes
But how so? The Y chromosome has nothing to do with phenotype which is determined by other genes. The original J carriers looked nothing like modern day Arabs lol

[Joso]

But as I said the orientalid phenotype wasn't present originally among J carriers who were CHG people from the Caucasus. If anything Orientalid comes from E-M34 or something like that, that is if these classifications actually are scientific. Europeans carry J as well you know

that doesn't mean much things, many europeans also have phenotypes that were not present in their ancestor, phenottypes that appeared after. The same thing, the orientalid phenotype can be appeared after, with hablogroup J

[Joso]

But how so? The Y chromosome has nothing to do with phenotype which is determined by other genes. The original J carriers looked nothing like modern day Arabs lol

show the proofs

[Kelmendasi]

that doesn't mean much things, many europeans also have phenotypes that were not present in their ancestor, phenottypes that appeared after. The same thing, the orientalid phenotype can be appeared after, with hablogroup J
Whatever man lol

[Joso]

that is if these classifications actually are scientific.

It is scientific, phenotype is as important as genetic, study genetics pls.

[cyberlorian]

I am not saying that J can only be orientalid, i am saing the other way around, pure orientalid can only be J, the only way that orientalid can be other hablogroup is if it is mixed but that can aply for all phentoypes

So, which haplogroup does pure Dinarid corresponds to?

[Joso]

So, which haplogroup does pure Dinarid corresponds to?

I don't know but it probably from the ilirian hablogroup, like albanians

[Kelmendasi]

show the proofs
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-018-0057-4. The DNA of CHG people has told as that they had light skin and darker hair, plus they intermixed with Steppe peoples.

[Kelmendasi]

It is scientific, phenotype is as important as genetic, study genetics pls.
What do you mean study genetics? I know more than you do on the topic of haplogroups

[cyberlorian]

I don't know but it probably from the ilirian hablogroup, like albanians

Most Albanians are E1.

[Kelmendasi]

I don't know but it probably from the ilirian hablogroup, like albanians
Albanians carry E-V13, J2b2-L283 and R1b-BY611 as their main haplos. A proto-Illyrian sample from Bronze Age Dalmatia was J2b2-L283

[Joso]

What do you mean study genetics? I know more than you do on the topic of haplogroups

No you don't, arrogance is not good, show the proofs that you know more than me

[Joso]

Most Albanians are E1.

Are Albanians MENA descendants?

[Kelmendasi]

No you don't, arrogance is not good, show the proofs that you know more than me
The fact that I don't claim that the Y chromosome effects appearance or at least facial structure and skin colour and such things. Come on man, I bet you would have trouble understanding things like founder effects and population bottle necks and their effects on haplogroup frequencies

[cyberlorian]

Are Albanians MENA descendants?

I don't know but Greeks are also predominantly E1.

[Kelmendasi]

I don't know but Greeks are also predominantly E1.
The E1 in Greeks and Albanians is E-V13 and has origins in the Balkans going by diversity

[Joso]

But as I said the orientalid phenotype wasn't present originally among J carriers who were CHG people from the Caucasus. If anything Orientalid comes from E-M34 or something like that, that is if these classifications actually are scientific. Europeans carry J as well you know

E is orginally from East Africa and East Africans are proto-caucasoids, proto-orientalids, so E is proto-orientalid, while when it evolved to orientalid proper, it became J.

[Joso]

The fact that I don't claim that the Y chromosome effects appearance or at least facial structure and skin colour and such things. Come on man, I bet you would have trouble understanding things like founder effects and population bottle necks and their effects on haplogroup frequencies

I never say Y DNA effects pehnotypes, i am just sayiing that some phenotypes are linked to some hablogroups. And no, you don't know more than me.

[Kelmendasi]

E is orginally from East Africa and East Africans are proto-caucasoids, proto-orientalids, so E is proto-orientalid, while when it evolved to orientalid proper, it became J.
xD, but you do realize that E and J have nothing to do with each other? J is originally from the Caucasus area and it's ancestor was IJ, the ancestor of I and the haplogroup found among Cro-Magnon samples of Europe. Come on, I thought that I was the one who had to study genetics

[Kelmendasi]

I never say Y DNA effects pehnotypes, i am just sayiing that some phenotypes are linked to some hablogroups. And no, you don't know more than me.
Yh whatever you say man

[zarzian]

Cro magnid implies of a person living in the Paleolithic era, and the first Paleolithic Europeans were Ydna C carriers. The I’s came from the middle east as they seperatted from IJ, which by the way the only living person today with the Ydna IJ has been found in Iran. I carriers were also robust and so were the original J carriers such as the J carriers from the Hotu cave in Iran, dated to the late Paleolithic, and when Coon excavated their graves he remarked of the robustness and similarities to the Cromagnids found in Europe. Reductions in Skeletal formations came with the neolithic revolution due to the diet and sedentary lifestyle of the Farmers. Basically all hunter gatherers all over the globe were robust, apart from forest dwellers, who due to environmental pressures, become reduced.

[cyberlorian]

I never say Y DNA effects pehnotypes, i am just sayiing that some phenotypes are linked to some hablogroups. And no, you don't know more than me.

J is from Northeast Caucasus.

[Joso]

xD, but you do realize that E and J have nothing to do with each other? J is originally from the Caucasus area and it's ancestor was IJ, the ancestor of I and the haplogroup found among Cro-Magnon samples of Europe. Come on, I thought that I was the one who had to study genetics

You not only have to study genetics but also English, so you will can interpret texts better. :picard1: Doeesn't matter were J originated, the fact is orientalids are J.

[Joso]

J is from Northeast Caucasus.

that doesn't matter

[Kelmendasi]

You not only have to study genetics but also English, so you will can interpret texts better. :picard1: Doeesn't matter were J originated, the fact is orientalids are J.
Yh man xD, J comes from E apparently xD

[zarzian]

J is from Northeast Caucasus.

Not true, J is from the Zagros mountains, and specifically from the Zarzian culture. CHG was found to be decended of Iranian Neolithic types.

[cyberlorian]

that doesn't matter

So, why isn't Orientalid more prominent in Northeast Caucasus but more frequent among Southern Semites?

[Kelmendasi]

You not only have to study genetics but also English, so you will can interpret texts better. :picard1: Doeesn't matter were J originated, the fact is orientalids are J.
Its where btw not were, "So you will can" is pretty bad English lol

[Joso]

Yh man xD, J comes from E apparently xD

I don't know if J cames from E but yes, orientalid came from proto-orientalids, the original aethiopids of East Africa. Aethiopids were orginally pure caucasoids, or more like pure proto-caucasoids. Just now they are mixed with negroids.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Not true, J is from the Zagros mountains, and specifically from the Zarzian culture. CHG was found to be decended of Iranian Neolithic types.

The oldest J was found in both Georgia and Iran

maybe the area from Nothwest Caucasus to Iranian plateau was inhabited by CHGs

[Joso]

Its where btw not were, "So you will can" is pretty bad English lol

these are just basic errors and you can understand it, while you english is even worst, you cannot evn interpret, it may have to do with autism

[Kelmendasi]

I don't know if J cames from E but yes, orientalid came from proto-orientalids, the original aethiopids of East Africa. Aethiopids were orginally pure caucasoids, or more like pure proto-caucasoids. Just now they are mixed with negroids.
You were inferring that it does but whatever, J comes from IJ whilst E is from DE

[Joso]

You were inferring that it does but whatever, J comes from IJ whilst E is from DE

hmm maybe but arabs really originated from east africa and north africa

[Kelmendasi]

these are just basic errors and you can understand it, while you english is even worst, you cannot evn interpret, it may have to do with autism
Lol interpretation is different from grammar and typing but cool. I'm fluent in English my guy, I was raised here. Your sentence right here is full of errors like "while you english" but whatever lol

[Kelmendasi]

hmm maybe but arabs really originated from east africa and north africa
The Semitic languages come from the Levant, Afro-Asiatic which is the ancestor of Semitic may have come from the north-eastern Africa area

[Joso]

Lol interpretation is different from grammar and typing but cool. I'm fluent in English my guy, I was raised here. Your sentence right here is full of errors like "while you english" but whatever lol

If you were raised in england wich sud horrible english interpreation, or you are either autistic or you missed many English classes in the school

[Joso]

The Semitic languages come from the Levant, Afro-Asiatic which is the ancestor of Semitic may have come from the north-eastern Africa area

yes, i am glad, you finally agreed with me, it shows that despite your arrogance, in the deep you know i am right :)

[Kelmendasi]

If you were raised in england wich sud horrible english interpreation, or you are either autistic or you missed many English classes in the school
Man it's not my fault your English is trash and your logic is flawed, if it was better then maybe I would be able to interpret better lol.

[Kelmendasi]

yes, i am glad, you finally agreed with me, it shows that despite your arrogance, in the deep you know i am right :)
What? You said Arabic was possibly from north Africa or east Africa, I didn't agree with that but whatever you say man

[Joso]

Man it's not my fault your English is trash and your logic is flawed, if it was better then maybe I would be able to interpret better lol.

It is also not my fault if you were born with autism and arrogance and cannot accept that it is our lack of inteligence that avoids you of understanding my english and not mys basic errors, and it is also your arrogance that makes you not admit i am right while i clearly am, i even showed proofs like the videos and my strong arguments.

[Kelmendasi]

It is also not my fault if you were born with autism and arrogance and cannot accept that it is our lack of inteligence that avoids you of understanding my english and not mys basic errors, and it is also your arrogance that makes you not admit i am right while i clearly am, i even showed proofs like the videos and my strong arguments.
xD

[Joso]

What? You said Arabic was possibly from north Africa or east Africa, I didn't agree with that but whatever you say man

i din't said arabic was from north or east africa but that arabs may have some origins in east and nort africa. But maybe not entirely.

[Kelmendasi]

i din't said arabic was from north or east africa but that arabs may have some origins in east and nort africa. But maybe not entirely.
I know you didn't which is why I said that you said possibly.

[Arborean]

You not only have to study genetics but also English, so you will can interpret texts better. :picard1: Doeesn't matter were J originated, the fact is orientalids are J.

He speaks better English than you dipshit lol.

[Arborean]

If you were raised in england wich sud horrible english interpreation, or you are either autistic or you missed many English classes in the school

English originates from England genius. The proper language courses for English are two-fold. European English, and North American English. Just admit you're making yourself look like a fool and save face.

[Joso]

He speaks better English than you dipshit lol.

He does not but even if he does, doesn't is an advance speking better english if you cannot have good interpretation skills to understand others. Also this thread is not for talking about English and insulting is rude. So if you don't like it, please, retire.

[Joso]

I know you didn't which is why I said that you said possibly.

Agreed with me again :) these are signals i winning the discussion. I am so happy

[Arborean]

He does not but even if he does, doesn't is an advance speking better english if you cannot have good interpretation skills to understand others. Also this thread is not for talking about English and insulting is rude. So if you don't like it, please, retire.

You insulted his intelligence and capability for speaking proper English when you fail to grasp proper grammar to begin with. Take your own advise.

[Joso]

English originates from England genius. The proper language courses for English are two-fold. European English, and North American English. Just admit you're making yourself look like a fool and save face.

What are you talking? I know english is from england. But that doesn't mean his english is better than me and also doesn't change the facth that his autism avoids him of understanding others. My english is not so bad, i only commit some basic errors but were just talking like friends, writing oerfectly is not required when talking.

[zarzian]

The oldest J was found in both Georgia and Iran

maybe the area from Nothwest Caucasus to Iranian plateau was inhabited by CHGs

In this case the oldest sample does not indicate origin as CHG is a mixture of the ancestors of Iranian Neolithic type and EHG, this was done through fstats in the Broushaki et al paper.

[Joso]

You insulted his intelligence and capability for speaking proper English when you fail to grasp proper grammar to begin with. Take your own advise.

Saying that someone have lack of inteligence and have autism is not insulting, it is just an indication and in his case it is just the reality. Besides stufying Biology and studying English, he also have to go to a psychologist, because he may have serious autism or mental issues. It is clear, admit it and stop deffending the toher guy, he is not deffensable.

[Lauχum]

Nope. Palaeolithic Europeans did not have R, but I and C. Mal'ta boy in Siberia (ANE) is the oldest person discovered to have R (He had basal R aka R*)
Worth a read: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4943878/

[Kelmendasi]

What are you talking? I know english is from england. But that doesn't mean his english is better than me and also doesn't change the facth that his autism avoids him of understanding others. My english is not so bad, i only commit some basic errors but were just talking like friends, writing oerfectly is not required when talking.
I understand what you are saying, it's just that I don't agree with it. But I do know that you are most probably trolling going by some of things you have written

[Kelmendasi]

Saying that someone have lack of inteligence and have autism is not insulting, it is just an indication and in his case it is just the reality. Besides stufying Biology and studying English, he also have to go to a psychologist, because he may have serious autism or mental issues. It is clear, admit it and stop deffending the toher guy, he is not deffensable.
Lol xD.

[Joso]

I understand what you are saying, it's just that I don't agree with it. But I do know that you are most probably trolling going by some of things you have written

accusing the other of trolling is one of the most ancient ways to say "hey, see people, i am won the discussion" :picard1: It means you lost

[Kelmendasi]

accusing the other of trolling is one of the most ancient ways to say "hey, see people, i am won the discussion" :picard1: It means you lost
Yh sure it is, it's just that you right stuff like "These are signals I am winning the discussion. I am so happy" which are weird things to write if you aren't trolling.

[Joso]

Yh sure it is, it's just that you right stuff like "These are signals I am winning the discussion. I am so happy" which are weird things to write if you aren't trolling.

Who don't like to won discussions? Only autistics like you, maybe

[Kelmendasi]

Who don't like to won discussions? Only autistics like you, maybe
Ahhh shit i'm sorry I started a discussion with a genius such as yourself, I had no chance... Autistic people stand no chance against the scientist that is yourself

[Joso]

Ahhh shit i'm sorry I started a discussion with a genius such as yourself, I had no chance... Autistic people stand no chance against the scientist that is yourself

Yes. Now i have no doub't that i won.

[cosmoo]

No. Cro-Magnons were of Y-DNA haplogroups I and C-V20, it is proven with utter certainty.
All similarities with Native Americans hold true only for certain tribes of Great Plains, but are mostly superficial. Moreover, first reconstruction of Les Eyzies 1 is neither ideal (check out one by Elisabeth Daynes, far better) nor does it morphologically match that Native American, and Dinaric has nothing to do with Cro-Magnons.

[cyberlorian]

No. Cro-Magnons were of Y-DNA haplogroups I and C-V20, it is proven with utter certainty.
All similarities with Native Americans hold true only for certain tribes of Great Plains, but are mostly superficial. Moreover, first reconstruction of Les Eyzies 1 is neither ideal (check out one by Elisabeth Daynes, far better) nor does it morphologically match that Native American, and Dinaric has nothing to do with Cro-Magnons.

Aren't Dinarids Eastern Cromagnids with Orientalid admixture?

[cosmoo]

Aren't Dinarids Eastern Cromagnids with Orientalid admixture?
No, they are most likely Atlanto-Mediterraneans brachycephalized by some agent (most probably Alpine), and "Orientalid" is an non-existent one. Plus, there are no "Eastern Cromagnids".
Judging by all the threads you made, you are so infested by internet anthrotardism that there's no way for you to ever be cured of it.

[Joso]

No. Cro-Magnons were of Y-DNA haplogroups I and C-V20, it is proven with utter certainty.
All similarities with Native Americans hold true only for certain tribes of Great Plains, but are mostly superficial. Moreover, first reconstruction of Les Eyzies 1 is neither ideal (check out one by Elisabeth Daynes, far better) nor does it morphologically match that Native American, and Dinaric has nothing to do with Cro-Magnons.

Not true. In almost all part os the Americas there is amerindians that looks cro-magnids, some Brazilian and Argentinain amerindians looks even more cro-magnid than these of the greet plains. Also, i don't said dinarids have anything to do with cro-magnons, don't put words in my mouth, i was comparing amerindians ith slavs

[Joso]

No, they are most likely Atlanto-Mediterraneans brachycephalized by some agent (most probably Alpine), and "Orientalid" is an non-existent one. Plus, there are no "Eastern Cromagnids".
Judging by all the threads you made, you are so infested by internet anthrotardism that there's no way for you to ever be cured of it.

Orientalid exists.

[cyberlorian]

No, they are most likely Atlanto-Mediterraneans brachycephalized by some agent (most probably Alpine), and "Orientalid" is an non-existent one. Plus, there are no "Eastern Cromagnids".
Judging by all the threads you made, you are so infested by internet anthrotardism that there's no way for you to ever be cured of it.

I was about to thumb you up until I have read your last sentence. Then, I have given up. lol

[michal3141]

What about Villabruna, Epigravettian, 12 200-11 800 BC ? This one was R1b1 in Italy. I guess the oldest Europeans were of haplogroup C-V20. Then came these with haplogroups I and R

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C-V20

[AphroditeWorshiper]

In this case the oldest sample does not indicate origin as CHG is a mixture of the ancestors of Iranian Neolithic type and EHG, this was done through fstats in the Broushaki et al paper.

who is the dude in your Avatar image?