Am I a Southern Italian genetic? Can you help me to interpret the results?

[manu15151513]

My mother is from central Italy, in the province of Pesaro and Urbino and in the province of Ancona, in the Marche region, while my father is from the province of Rome, in Lazio.



Are they predominantly ancient? Can some of the following values be explained by medieval influences?

EUROGENES K13

1 East_Med 25.22
2 West_Med 24.59
3 Nord Atlantico 17.36
4 West_Asian 16.26
5 baltico 10.88
6 Mar Rosso 3.7
7 Est asiatico 1.68
8 oceaniano 0.31

Condivisione di una singola popolazione:

# Popolazione (fonte) Distanza
1 Central_Greek 4.97
2 East_Sicilian 6.64
3 Italian_Abruzzo 6.68
4 Greek_Thessaly 7.58
5 West_Sicilian 7.64
6 South_Italian 7.82
7 toscana 10.88
8 Ashkenazi 11.6
9 Algerian_Jewish 14.71
10 Sephardic_Jewish 14.87
11 bulgaro 14.99
12 Italian_Jewish 15.08
13 North_Italian 15.71
14 rumeno 17.02
15 Tunisian_Jewish 18.86
16 Libyan_Jewish 19.36
17 cipriota 19.71
18 Turco 20.97
19 serbo 21.24
20 Lebanese_Muslim 23.09




EUROGENES ANE_K7


ANE 10,31 Pct
ASE 2,24 Pct
WHG-UHG 36,39 Pct
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0,67 Pct
East_African -
ENF 50,40 Pct



EUROGENES K36





amerindi -
arabo 0.20 Pct
armeno 4.94 Pct
basco 1,57 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.32 Pct
East_African -
Est asiatico -
East_Balkan 8.36 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 17,42 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandia 0,53 Pct
francese 1,96 Pct
iberico 13,57 Pct
indocinese -
italiano 17.74 Pct
malese -
Near_Eastern 5,24 Pct
North_African -
Nord Atlantico 2,68 Pct
North_Caucasian 6,76 Pct
Mare del Nord 4.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
oceaniano 0,06 Pct
Omotic -
Pigmeo -
siberiano -
Sud asiatico 0,22 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.01 Pct
West_Med 7.00 Pct


puntDNAL K10



# Popolazione Per cento
1 ENF 38.75
2 CHG 30.15
3 WHG 25.11
4 amerindi 2.19
5 ASI 1.64
6 oceaniano 1.25
7 Sub sahariano 0.91

Condivisione di una singola popolazione:

# Popolazione (fonte) Distanza
1 greco 6.42
2 Ashkenazi_Jew 6.56
3 albanese 7.87
4 toscana 10.11
5 Italian_South 10.16
6 siciliano 10.93
7 bulgaro 12.42
8 Turkish_Aydin 13.88
9 Sephardic_Jew 14,46
10 Italian_North 14.87
11 cipriota 16.22
12 Turkish_Kayseri 16.44
13 curdo 20.19
14 Turkish_Trabzon 20,6
15 francese 20.66
16 kumyk 21.14
17 assiro 21.45
18 siriana 21.55
19 libanese 21.72
20 Spanish_Southwest 21.84



The results were provided by gedmatch genesis, some comments?

[Argentano]

genetic test clearly show that most italians have an important east med component, so while you are indeed southern italian genetically you are not that far from a more purely central italian.

To compare im half calabrian half abruzzese

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 6.04
2 Central_Greek 6.82
3 South_Italian 7.04
4 Italian_Abruzzo 7.73
5 West_Sicilian 8
6 Ashkenazi 8
7 Italian_Jewish 8.63
8 Greek_Thessaly 9.12
9 Tuscan 9.85

[manu15151513]

Rather similar to my oracle on the eurogenes k13, considering that I come from the center I seem to have some rather unusual results.

Yes, in my case, the autosomal genetic legacy of hunter-gatherers of Caucasian origin seems to be particularly high.

[gıulıoımpa]

i would have espected Abruzzo as first component, but central greek is not so distant afterall

[Argentano]

Rather similar to my oracle on the eurogenes k13, considering that I come from the center I seem to have some rather unusual results.

Yes, in my case, the autosomal genetic legacy of hunter-gatherers of Caucasian origin seems to be particularly high.

i have many italian results if you want give mee your eurogenes k15 and i can show you a pca with your result and other italians

[manu15151513]

Ok, these are my Eurogenes K15 results:


1 East_Med 24.58
2 West_Med 21.1
3 North Sea 17.68
4 West_Asian 15:42
5 Atlantic 9:01
6 6:38 baltic
7 Red Sea 3.48
8 South East Asia 1.32
9 Eastern_Euro 0.77
10 Oceanian 12:26

Sharing a single population:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 8.68
2 Central_Greek 8.95
3 9:56 East_Sicilian
4 Italian_Abruzzo 10.2
5 South_Italian 10:56
6 Ashkenazi 11:12
7 Tuscan 11.72
8 West_Sicilian 12:34
9 greek 12:57
10 Italian_Jewish 13.92
11 Algerian_Jewish 16:11
12 Sephardic_Jewish 16:29
13 North_Italian 16:43
14 Bulgarian 16.92
15 Romanian 18:03
16 Libyan_Jewish 18.6
17 Tunisian_Jewish 19.82
18 Cypriot 20:45
19 Serbs 20.79
20 Turkish 22:41



If I'm not mistaken, this calculator will position me further north.

[kaltar]

My mother is from central Italy, in the province of Pesaro and Urbino and in the province of Ancona, in the Marche region, while my father is from the province of Rome, in Lazio.



Are they predominantly ancient? Can some of the following values be explained by medieval influences?

EUROGENES K13

1 East_Med 25.22
2 West_Med 24.59
3 Nord Atlantico 17.36
4 West_Asian 16.26
5 baltico 10.88
6 Mar Rosso 3.7
7 Est asiatico 1.68
8 oceaniano 0.31

Condivisione di una singola popolazione:

# Popolazione (fonte) Distanza
1 Central_Greek 4.97
2 East_Sicilian 6.64
3 Italian_Abruzzo 6.68
4 Greek_Thessaly 7.58
5 West_Sicilian 7.64
6 South_Italian 7.82
7 toscana 10.88
8 Ashkenazi 11.6
9 Algerian_Jewish 14.71
10 Sephardic_Jewish 14.87
11 bulgaro 14.99
12 Italian_Jewish 15.08
13 North_Italian 15.71
14 rumeno 17.02
15 Tunisian_Jewish 18.86
16 Libyan_Jewish 19.36
17 cipriota 19.71
18 Turco 20.97
19 serbo 21.24
20 Lebanese_Muslim 23.09




EUROGENES ANE_K7


ANE 10,31 Pct
ASE 2,24 Pct
WHG-UHG 36,39 Pct
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0,67 Pct
East_African -
ENF 50,40 Pct



EUROGENES K36





amerindi -
arabo 0.20 Pct
armeno 4.94 Pct
basco 1,57 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.32 Pct
East_African -
Est asiatico -
East_Balkan 8.36 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 17,42 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandia 0,53 Pct
francese 1,96 Pct
iberico 13,57 Pct
indocinese -
italiano 17.74 Pct
malese -
Near_Eastern 5,24 Pct
North_African -
Nord Atlantico 2,68 Pct
North_Caucasian 6,76 Pct
Mare del Nord 4.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
oceaniano 0,06 Pct
Omotic -
Pigmeo -
siberiano -
Sud asiatico 0,22 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.01 Pct
West_Med 7.00 Pct


puntDNAL K10



# Popolazione Per cento
1 ENF 38.75
2 CHG 30.15
3 WHG 25.11
4 amerindi 2.19
5 ASI 1.64
6 oceaniano 1.25
7 Sub sahariano 0.91

Condivisione di una singola popolazione:

# Popolazione (fonte) Distanza
1 greco 6.42
2 Ashkenazi_Jew 6.56
3 albanese 7.87
4 toscana 10.11
5 Italian_South 10.16
6 siciliano 10.93
7 bulgaro 12.42
8 Turkish_Aydin 13.88
9 Sephardic_Jew 14,46
10 Italian_North 14.87
11 cipriota 16.22
12 Turkish_Kayseri 16.44
13 curdo 20.19
14 Turkish_Trabzon 20,6
15 francese 20.66
16 kumyk 21.14
17 assiro 21.45
18 siriana 21.55
19 libanese 21.72
20 Spanish_Southwest 21.84



The results were provided by gedmatch genesis, some comments?

Fake results. Components and ethnicities on Gedmatch are not in Italian.

On K36 here you modified by yourself the results, some components have the periods, others have the commas.


amerindi -
arabo 0.20 Pct
armeno 4.94 Pct
basco 1,57 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.32 Pct
East_African -
Est asiatico -
East_Balkan 8.36 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 17,42 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandia 0,53 Pct
francese 1,96 Pct
iberico 13,57 Pct
indocinese -
italiano 17.74 Pct
malese -
Near_Eastern 5,24 Pct
North_African -
Nord Atlantico 2,68 Pct
North_Caucasian 6,76 Pct
Mare del Nord 4.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
oceaniano 0,06 Pct
Omotic -
Pigmeo -
siberiano -
Sud asiatico 0,22 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.01 Pct
West_Med 7.00 Pct

[manu15151513]

I have not modified anything, why should I? Some appear with the comma, others with the point, for me it has always been like that.


Gedmatch was in Italian because I had the translator active on the browser.

[kaltar]

i have many italian results if you want give mee your eurogenes k15 and i can show you a pca with your result and other italians

Clearly fake results.

[manu15151513]

The fault lies with the translator I have in the browser.

[manu15151513]

The translator did not alter the values.

[Argentano]

Ok, these are my Eurogenes K15 results:


1 East_Med 24.58
2 West_Med 21.1
3 North Sea 17.68
4 West_Asian 15:42
5 Atlantic 9:01
6 6:38 baltic
7 Red Sea 3.48
8 South East Asia 1.32
9 Eastern_Euro 0.77
10 Oceanian 12:26

Sharing a single population:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 8.68
2 Central_Greek 8.95
3 9:56 East_Sicilian
4 Italian_Abruzzo 10.2
5 South_Italian 10:56
6 Ashkenazi 11:12
7 Tuscan 11.72
8 West_Sicilian 12:34
9 greek 12:57
10 Italian_Jewish 13.92
11 Algerian_Jewish 16:11
12 Sephardic_Jewish 16:29
13 North_Italian 16:43
14 Bulgarian 16.92
15 Romanian 18:03
16 Libyan_Jewish 18.6
17 Tunisian_Jewish 19.82
18 Cypriot 20:45
19 Serbs 20.79
20 Turkish 22:41



If I'm not mistaken, this calculator will position me further north.

i added some italians, you , me and my dad

https://i.imgur.com/XUIDMxW.png

[Argentano]

Clearly fake results.

i was also surprised because of the : in some numbers but he is using a page traslator. I doubt he is making this up, his results arent that rare

[Argentano]

Ok, these are my Eurogenes K15 results:


1 East_Med 24.58
2 West_Med 21.1
3 North Sea 17.68
4 West_Asian 15:42
5 Atlantic 9:01
6 6:38 baltic
7 Red Sea 3.48
8 South East Asia 1.32
9 Eastern_Euro 0.77
10 Oceanian 12:26

Sharing a single population:



WAIT, this is an error right?Oceanian?

[kaltar]

WAIT, this is an error right?Oceanian?

Error? I told you, fake results.

[kaltar]

Ok, these are my Eurogenes K15 results:


1 East_Med 24.58
2 West_Med 21.1
3 North Sea 17.68
4 West_Asian 15:42
5 Atlantic 9:01
6 6:38 baltic
7 Red Sea 3.48
8 South East Asia 1.32
9 Eastern_Euro 0.77
10 Oceanian 12:26

Sharing a single population:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 8.68
2 Central_Greek 8.95
3 9:56 East_Sicilian
4 Italian_Abruzzo 10.2
5 South_Italian 10:56
6 Ashkenazi 11:12
7 Tuscan 11.72
8 West_Sicilian 12:34
9 greek 12:57
10 Italian_Jewish 13.92
11 Algerian_Jewish 16:11
12 Sephardic_Jewish 16:29
13 North_Italian 16:43
14 Bulgarian 16.92
15 Romanian 18:03
16 Libyan_Jewish 18.6
17 Tunisian_Jewish 19.82
18 Cypriot 20:45
19 Serbs 20.79
20 Turkish 22:41



If I'm not mistaken, this calculator will position me further north.


:)

[Argentano]

Error? I told you, fake results.

but i think its a typo error because the other componentes almost reach 100 withouth that oceanian weird value (that is last ordered by importance also), Also his results fall within the italian spectrum, its not like he is posting a super weird result.

[manu15151513]

Fuck, sorry, I messed up with the translator, republished all the results.


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Kit JD8765860

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.58
2 West_Med 21.1
3 North_Sea 17.68
4 West_Asian 15.42
5 Atlantic 9.01
6 Baltic 6.38
7 Red_Sea 3.48
8 Southeast_Asian 1.32
9 Eastern_Euro 0.77
10 Oceanian 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 8.68
2 Central_Greek 8.95
3 East_Sicilian 9.56
4 Italian_Abruzzo 10.2
5 South_Italian 10.56
6 Ashkenazi 11.12
7 Tuscan 11.72
8 West_Sicilian 12.34
9 Greek 12.57
10 Italian_Jewish 13.92
11 Algerian_Jewish 16.11
12 Sephardic_Jewish 16.29
13 North_Italian 16.43
14 Bulgarian 16.92
15 Romanian 18.03
16 Libyan_Jewish 18.6
17 Tunisian_Jewish 19.82
18 Cyprian 20.45
19 Serbian 20.79
20 Turkish 22.41



Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit JD8765860

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.22
2 West_Med 24.59
3 North_Atlantic 17.36
4 West_Asian 16.26
5 Baltic 10.88
6 Red_Sea 3.7
7 East_Asian 1.68
8 Oceanian 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 4.97
2 East_Sicilian 6.64
3 Italian_Abruzzo 6.68
4 Greek_Thessaly 7.58
5 West_Sicilian 7.64
6 South_Italian 7.82
7 Tuscan 10.88
8 Ashkenazi 11.6
9 Algerian_Jewish 14.71
10 Sephardic_Jewish 14.87
11 Bulgarian 14.99
12 Italian_Jewish 15.08
13 North_Italian 15.71
14 Romanian 17.02
15 Tunisian_Jewish 18.86
16 Libyan_Jewish 19.36
17 Cyprian 19.71
18 Turkish 20.97
19 Serbian 21.24
20 Lebanese_Muslim 23.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.3% Central_Greek + 6.7% French_Basque @ 4.07
2 91.3% Central_Greek + 8.7% Sardinian @ 4.08
3 91.3% Central_Greek + 8.7% Southwest_French @ 4.12
4 91.4% Central_Greek + 8.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.22
5 90.3% Central_Greek + 9.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.26
6 91.3% Central_Greek + 8.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.31
7 86% Central_Greek + 14% North_Italian @ 4.32
8 92.3% Central_Greek + 7.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.35
9 91.2% Central_Greek + 8.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.37
10 90.8% Central_Greek + 9.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.39
11 91.6% Central_Greek + 8.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.39
12 91.6% Central_Greek + 8.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.41
13 91.9% Central_Greek + 8.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.43
14 91.5% Central_Greek + 8.5% Portuguese @ 4.46
15 91.9% Central_Greek + 8.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.47
16 93.3% Central_Greek + 6.7% French @ 4.56
17 95.3% Central_Greek + 4.7% Southwest_English @ 4.59
18 94.5% Central_Greek + 5.5% East_German @ 4.6
19 94.4% Central_Greek + 5.6% South_Dutch @ 4.61
20 94.3% Central_Greek + 5.7% Austrian @ 4.62

Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the Eurogenes K36 model, created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at his Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Project blog.
Software Version: Aug 11 2018 00:27:27

Kit Number: JD8765860 Elapsed Time: 11.91 seconds


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.20 Pct
Armenian 4.94 Pct
Basque 1.57 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.32 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.36 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 17.42 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 0.53 Pct
French 1.96 Pct
Iberian 13.57 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 17.74 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.24 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 2.68 Pct
North_Caucasian 6.76 Pct
North_Sea 4.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.06 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.22 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.01 Pct
West_Med 7.00 Pct


puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle results:
puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle

Kit JD8765860

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ENF 38.75
2 CHG 30.15
3 WHG 25.11
4 Amerindian 2.19
5 ASI 1.64
6 Oceanian 1.25
7 Sub-Saharan 0.91

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 6.42
2 Ashkenazi_Jew 6.56
3 Albanian 7.87
4 Tuscan 10.11
5 Italian_South 10.16
6 Sicilian 10.93
7 Bulgarian 12.42
8 Turkish_Aydin 13.88
9 Sephardic_Jew 14.46
10 Italian_North 14.87
11 Cypriot 16.22
12 Turkish_Kayseri 16.44
13 Kurdish 20.19
14 Turkish_Trabzon 20.6
15 French 20.66
16 Kumyk 21.14
17 Assyrian 21.45
18 Syrian 21.55
19 Lebanese 21.72
20 Spanish_Southwest 21.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.8% Lebanese + 49.2% Hungarian @ 2.37
2 63.6% Bulgarian + 36.4% Assyrian @ 2.4
3 77.1% Greek + 22.9% Kurdish @ 2.41
4 68.4% Bulgarian + 31.6% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.41
5 81.1% Greek + 18.9% Iranian @ 2.56
6 65.9% Lebanese + 34.1% Lithuanian @ 2.69
7 72.2% Cypriot + 27.8% Lithuanian @ 2.69
8 71.7% Cypriot + 28.3% Estonian @ 2.7
9 65.3% Lebanese + 34.7% Estonian @ 2.75
10 51.5% Assyrian + 48.5% German_South @ 2.75
11 53.3% Lebanese + 46.7% Irish @ 2.78
12 69.4% Cypriot + 30.6% Belarusian @ 2.79
13 73.8% Greek + 26.2% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.82
14 62.7% Lebanese + 37.3% Belarusian @ 2.82
15 59% Lebanese + 41% Ukrainian @ 2.84
16 79.6% Greek + 20.4% Armenian @ 2.85
17 66% Cypriot + 34% Ukrainian @ 2.86
18 53.8% German_South + 46.2% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.86
19 51% French + 49% Assyrian @ 2.88
20 73.2% Albanian + 26.8% Kurdish @ 2.88



Eurogenes_ANE K7 Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the Eurogenes ANE K7 model, created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this calculator
should be directed to him at his Project Blog. Revised 2014-Sep-12
Software Version: Aug 11 2018 00:27:27

Kit Number: JD8765860 Elapsed Time: 3.53 seconds


Population
ANE 10.31 Pct
ASE 2.24 Pct
WHG-UHG 36.39 Pct
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.67 Pct
East_African -
ENF 50.40 Pct

[kaltar]

but i think its a typo error because the other componentes almost reach 100 withouth that oceanian weird value (that is last ordered by importance also), Also his results fall within the italian spectrum, its not like he is posting a super weird result.

If you say so. There are no typo errors if you truly copy and paste your Gedmatch results.

[gıulıoımpa]

If you say so. There are no typo errors if you truly copy and paste your Gedmatch results.

only proof would be to snapshot the results

[Argentano]

Fuck, sorry, I messed up with the translator, republished all the results.


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Kit JD8765860

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.58
2 West_Med 21.1
3 North_Sea 17.68
4 West_Asian 15.42
5 Atlantic 9.01
6 Baltic 6.38
7 Red_Sea 3.48
8 Southeast_Asian 1.32
9 Eastern_Euro 0.77
10 Oceanian 0.26


OK the PCA i posted above is still valid as i didnt use the oceanian

[Argentano]

If you say so. There are no typo errors if you truly copy and paste your Gedmatch results.

yes its kind of weird tbh :confused:

[manu15151513]

i added some italians, you , me and my dad

https://i.imgur.com/XUIDMxW.png

How should I read it? I'm a bit of a novice in this field.