Do I have some Roman/Italian blood?

[Impaler]

According to 23andme I score a higher Italian percentage. On 23andme Romanians score between 0-5%. Do I have some Roman/Italian ancestry or it's just an error?


http://i.imgur.com/4cGpw7F.png (https://imgur.com/4cGpw7F)

[Impaler]

Eurogenes K13:

http://i.imgur.com/5M1qTi9.png (https://imgur.com/5M1qTi9)

[Impaler]

Bump.

[Inquizzzitor]

At 11% it's surely not an error, though the exact percentage has to be taken with some grain of salt. It also does not mean that you have an Italian ancestor in your recent lineage, like a great-grandparnent; instead (to me) it is more likely that numerous of your distant ancestors had significant Italian gene contribution, which has been passed down to you. Romans colonized Dacia, of course, and Romanian as you know is a Latin language, so the cultural and genetic connection between Italy and Romania is well-known.

[gıulıoımpa]

From Greek Ancestry that gets read as italian? + minor normal romanian value?

[Impaler]

From Greek Ancestry that gets read as italian? + minor normal romanian value?

Well, I do not know if it's only Greek. In general Greeks score Balkan percentage, not Italian on 23andme, but maybe I am wrong.

[gıulıoımpa]

Well, I do not know if it's only Greek. In general Greeks score Balkan percentage, not Italian on 23andme, but maybe I am wrong.

may be some non better classified italian subgroup/ or greek subgroup that was common more in the past than now

[Inquizzzitor]

I've noticed even pure blooded Greeks tend to register a not-insignificant amount of Italian genes on 23andme. Usually varies from 10-30% based on what I have seen (obviously depends on a lot of factors).

[someonenotyou]

My Italian score went up by four as well, which makes me think maybe the test is probably mixing Balkan up with Italian? And I don't think I have any Italian ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/oFq0hVm.png?1

[Ritz06]

Eurogenes K13:

http://i.imgur.com/5M1qTi9.png (https://imgur.com/5M1qTi9)

Somewhat similar to my results:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 15.93
2 Bulgarian 16.87
3 Serbian 17.38
4 Italian_Abruzzo 19.01
5 Greek_Thessaly 19.17
6 Hungarian 20.96
7 Tuscan 21.02
8 Moldavian 21.17
9 West_German 21.44
10 North_Italian 21.47
11 Central_Greek 21.71
12 Austrian 21.74
13 French 22.42
14 West_Sicilian 22.72
15 South_Dutch 22.97
16 East_Sicilian 23.02
17 Croatian 23.64
18 East_German 23.94
19 Nogay 24.27
20 South_Italian 24.83

[Impaler]

Somewhat similar to my results:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 15.93
2 Bulgarian 16.87
3 Serbian 17.38
4 Italian_Abruzzo 19.01
5 Greek_Thessaly 19.17
6 Hungarian 20.96
7 Tuscan 21.02
8 Moldavian 21.17
9 West_German 21.44
10 North_Italian 21.47
11 Central_Greek 21.71
12 Austrian 21.74
13 French 22.42
14 West_Sicilian 22.72
15 South_Dutch 22.97
16 East_Sicilian 23.02
17 Croatian 23.64
18 East_German 23.94
19 Nogay 24.27
20 South_Italian 24.83

So do I have Iranic ancestry? :D

[Casanova]

Probably.

[Ritz06]

So do I have Iranic ancestry? :D

Haha. Probably. Maybe some Baloch/Makrani too

[Impaler]

Haha. Probably. Maybe some Baloch/Makrani too

A Romanian with Baloch ancestry? Hahaha

[renaissance12]

Your bis grand father was a direct descendant of a legionnaire

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BKPW70/history-roman-re-enactors-roman-armour-soldier-legionary-rome-italy-BKPW70.jpg

[Impaler]

Your bis grand father was a direct descendant of a legionnaire

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BKPW70/history-roman-re-enactors-roman-armour-soldier-legionary-rome-italy-BKPW70.jpg

How do you know? :D

[JosephK]

A Romanian with Baloch ancestry? Hahaha

yep, that'll happen when you have Romany ancestry, brother... In the same way calculators may interpret Ashkenazi and Italian from the West Asian mix, of course your Romanian heritage may explain the high Italian. I have no Jewish, Italian or Romanian heritage.

My k13 two-pops:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.4% Southwest_Finnish + 34.6% Tuscan @ 2.84
2 74.1% North_Swedish + 25.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.24
3 68.4% North_Swedish + 31.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.3
4 51.7% Serbian + 48.3% North_Swedish @ 3.3
5 69.4% Southwest_Finnish + 30.6% West_Sicilian @ 3.47
6 60.8% North_Swedish + 39.2% Bulgarian @ 3.57
7 56.6% North_Swedish + 43.4% Romanian @ 3.63
8 62.6% Southwest_Finnish + 37.4% North_Italian @ 3.65
9 77.7% North_Swedish + 22.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.68
10 52.8% French + 47.2% Belorussian @ 3.83
11 78.2% Hungarian + 21.8% North_Swedish @ 3.9
12 68.7% Southwest_Finnish + 31.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.92
13 74% North_Swedish + 26% East_Sicilian @ 3.98
14 74.6% Southwest_Finnish + 25.4% Italian_Jewish @ 4
15 77.6% North_Swedish + 22.4% Italian_Jewish @ 4.01
16 73.5% North_Swedish + 26.5% Central_Greek @ 4.09
17 52.1% French + 47.9% Southwest_Russian @ 4.11
18 81.6% Hungarian + 18.4% Swedish @ 4.12
19 80.4% North_Swedish + 19.6% Cyprian @ 4.12
20 82.7% Hungarian + 17.3% Danish @ 4.15

[Impaler]

yep, that'll happen when you have Romany ancestry, brother... In the same way calculators may interpret Ashkenazi and Italian from the West Asian mix, of course your Romanian heritage may explain the high Italian. I have no Jewish, Italian or Romanian heritage.

My k13 two-pops:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.4% Southwest_Finnish + 34.6% Tuscan @ 2.84
2 74.1% North_Swedish + 25.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.24
3 68.4% North_Swedish + 31.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.3
4 51.7% Serbian + 48.3% North_Swedish @ 3.3
5 69.4% Southwest_Finnish + 30.6% West_Sicilian @ 3.47
6 60.8% North_Swedish + 39.2% Bulgarian @ 3.57
7 56.6% North_Swedish + 43.4% Romanian @ 3.63
8 62.6% Southwest_Finnish + 37.4% North_Italian @ 3.65
9 77.7% North_Swedish + 22.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.68
10 52.8% French + 47.2% Belorussian @ 3.83
11 78.2% Hungarian + 21.8% North_Swedish @ 3.9
12 68.7% Southwest_Finnish + 31.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.92
13 74% North_Swedish + 26% East_Sicilian @ 3.98
14 74.6% Southwest_Finnish + 25.4% Italian_Jewish @ 4
15 77.6% North_Swedish + 22.4% Italian_Jewish @ 4.01
16 73.5% North_Swedish + 26.5% Central_Greek @ 4.09
17 52.1% French + 47.9% Southwest_Russian @ 4.11
18 81.6% Hungarian + 18.4% Swedish @ 4.12
19 80.4% North_Swedish + 19.6% Cyprian @ 4.12
20 82.7% Hungarian + 17.3% Danish @ 4.15

I do not have Romani ancestry. 0% South Asian now on 23andme.

[Percivalle]

yep, that'll happen when you have Romany ancestry, brother... In the same way calculators may interpret Ashkenazi and Italian from the West Asian mix, of course your Romanian heritage may explain the high Italian. I have no Jewish, Italian or Romanian heritage.

Oracle has nothing to do with real ancestry.

[Percivalle]

Somewhat similar to my results:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 15.93
2 Bulgarian 16.87
3 Serbian 17.38
4 Italian_Abruzzo 19.01
5 Greek_Thessaly 19.17
6 Hungarian 20.96
7 Tuscan 21.02
8 Moldavian 21.17
9 West_German 21.44
10 North_Italian 21.47
11 Central_Greek 21.71
12 Austrian 21.74
13 French 22.42
14 West_Sicilian 22.72
15 South_Dutch 22.97
16 East_Sicilian 23.02
17 Croatian 23.64
18 East_German 23.94
19 Nogay 24.27
20 South_Italian 24.83

Romanian @15.93, that's a huge distance and not a good fit. In a PCA you're quite distant from the Romanian cluster.

[JosephK]

I do not have Romani ancestry. 0% South Asian now on 23andme.

What do you have against being part Gypsy!?!?

But to answer your thread question, don't all Romanians share some amount of Italian DNA anyway?

[Impaler]

What do you have against being part Gypsy!?!?

But to answer your thread question, don't all Romanians share some amount of Italian DNA anyway?

I have my personal reasons. I do not have any Romani relatives. Some does, but not as high as me. Around 3-5%.

[Leto]

Try to convert your data file to the V3 format
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259338-*NEW-GEDmatch-Result-(Converted-23andme-v5-to-v3)

[Leto]

What do you have against being part Gypsy!?!?

No one in Central and Southeast Europe wants to have anything to do with the Gypsies since they are the worst group of people out there.

[JosephK]

No one in Central and Southeast Europe wants to have anything to do with the Gypsies since they are the worst group of people out there.

I was kind-of joking with Impaler, he seems to show a lot of evidence he might be partial Roma but h obviously is hoping not. He may not be, and I don't want to really offend him...

I'm very aware of the feelings toward Gypsies. I hate to admit it, but the fact is when I first visited the Balkans in the 1990s, I tried to convince myself I wasn't partial Roma, either. But I eventually got over it...