Bronze Age Armenians on Gedmatch

[Token]

Armenian is a Indo-European language, yet modern Armenians have little to no Northern European admixture. That is not the case of Bronze Age Armenians.

RISE416, somewhat low quality sample but still impressive.

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 41.65
2 West_Asian 25.79
3 West_Med 23.68
4 East_Med 8.88
5 Baltic 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Andalucia 21.57
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 22.39
3 Spanish_Extremadura 22.39
4 Spanish_Cataluna 22.76
5 Spanish_Murcia 22.86
6 Spanish_Aragon 23.33
7 North_Italian 23.34
8 Portuguese 23.52
9 Spanish_Valencia 23.54
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 23.54
11 Spanish_Cantabria 23.77
12 Spanish_Galicia 24.08
13 French 24.2
14 Southwest_French 25.07
15 Tuscan 25.41
16 Italian_Abruzzo 26.66
17 West_German 27.01
18 South_Dutch 27.19
19 French_Basque 27.3
20 West_Sicilian 28.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64% French_Basque + 36% Abhkasian @ 10.11
2 62.6% French_Basque + 37.4% Georgian @ 10.2
3 59.9% French_Basque + 40.1% Ossetian @ 10.39
4 61.6% French_Basque + 38.4% North_Ossetian @ 11.52
5 61.3% French_Basque + 38.7% Adygei @ 11.71
6 61.4% French_Basque + 38.6% Lezgin @ 11.86
7 60.4% French_Basque + 39.6% Tabassaran @ 11.92
8 60.7% French_Basque + 39.3% Chechen @ 12.06
9 60.4% French_Basque + 39.6% Balkar @ 12.07
10 60.7% French_Basque + 39.3% Kabardin @ 12.57
11 60.4% French_Basque + 39.6% Kumyk @ 12.78
12 63.4% French_Basque + 36.6% Kurdish @ 13.03
13 69.1% French_Basque + 30.9% Brahui @ 13.68
14 68.2% French_Basque + 31.8% Makrani @ 13.7
15 68.7% French_Basque + 31.3% Balochi @ 13.73
16 63.6% French_Basque + 36.4% Armenian @ 13.83
17 64.9% French_Basque + 35.1% Iranian @ 14.05
18 66.2% Spanish_Aragon + 33.8% Ossetian @ 14.07
19 62% French_Basque + 38% Azeri @ 14.14
20 70.6% Spanish_Aragon + 29.4% Abhkasian @ 14.6

RISE408

1 West_Asian 41.17
2 North_Atlantic 31.37
3 West_Med 11.61
4 East_Med 10.34
5 Baltic 5.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tabassaran 21.46
2 Chechen 22.38
3 Ossetian 22.72
4 Lezgin 23.01
5 Kabardin 23.71
6 Balkar 23.75
7 Kumyk 23.83
8 Adygei 24.35
9 North_Ossetian 24.6
10 Georgian 27.83
11 Tadjik 28.59
12 Turkish 28.91
13 Nogay 29.03
14 Azeri 29.53
15 Italian_Abruzzo 29.55
16 Turkmen 29.76
17 Abhkasian 30.3
18 Kurdish 31.01
19 Central_Greek 32.1
20 Romanian 32.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.2% Tabassaran + 28.8% French_Basque @ 11.86
2 57.8% Abhkasian + 42.2% West_Scottish @ 11.95
3 60.4% Georgian + 39.6% West_Scottish @ 12.09
4 57.5% Abhkasian + 42.5% Irish @ 12.1
5 69.3% Lezgin + 30.7% French_Basque @ 12.13
6 66.2% Ossetian + 33.8% Southwest_English @ 12.16
7 66.5% Ossetian + 33.5% West_Scottish @ 12.16
8 57.5% Abhkasian + 42.5% Southwest_English @ 12.16
9 60% Georgian + 40% Irish @ 12.24
10 66.2% Ossetian + 33.8% Irish @ 12.3
11 60.1% Georgian + 39.9% Southwest_English @ 12.3
12 69.9% Ossetian + 30.1% French_Basque @ 12.53
13 66.4% Ossetian + 33.6% Southeast_English @ 12.68
14 70.5% Chechen + 29.5% French_Basque @ 12.73
15 58% Abhkasian + 42% Orcadian @ 12.74
16 66.8% Ossetian + 33.2% Orcadian @ 12.75
17 60.5% Georgian + 39.5% Orcadian @ 12.8
18 57.6% Abhkasian + 42.4% Southeast_English @ 13.02
19 60.2% Georgian + 39.8% Southeast_English @ 13.07
20 66.9% Ossetian + 33.1% North_Dutch @ 13.08

RISE423

1 West_Asian 42.37
2 East_Med 19.74
3 North_Atlantic 18.42
4 Baltic 7.73
5 West_Med 5.1
6 Sub-Saharan 1.71
7 Red_Sea 1.62
8 Oceanian 1.59
9 South_Asian 1.03
10 Amerindian 0.7

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kumyk 11.84
2 Lezgin 12.11
3 Chechen 12.44
4 Tabassaran 12.66
5 Adygei 13.09
6 Ossetian 13.78
7 Balkar 14.25
8 Kabardin 14.44
9 North_Ossetian 14.5
10 Georgian 16.48
11 Azeri 17.16
12 Kurdish 17.79
13 Turkish 18.74
14 Abhkasian 18.99
15 Iranian 20.09
16 Turkmen 20.43
17 Armenian 21.65
18 Tadjik 23.47
19 Georgian_Jewish 23.7
20 Nogay 24.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.2% Abhkasian + 26.8% West_Scottish @ 6.92
2 73% Abhkasian + 27% Irish @ 7.05
3 72.8% Abhkasian + 27.2% North_Dutch @ 7.06
4 72.7% Abhkasian + 27.3% Danish @ 7.06
5 76.5% Georgian + 23.5% West_Scottish @ 7.07
6 76% Georgian + 24% Danish @ 7.16
7 73.4% Abhkasian + 26.6% Norwegian @ 7.17
8 76.3% Georgian + 23.7% Irish @ 7.18
9 76% Georgian + 24% North_Dutch @ 7.18
10 73.1% Abhkasian + 26.9% Orcadian @ 7.21
11 76.6% Georgian + 23.4% Norwegian @ 7.24
12 72.8% Abhkasian + 27.2% Southeast_English @ 7.27
13 76.4% Georgian + 23.6% Orcadian @ 7.28
14 71.8% Abhkasian + 28.2% North_German @ 7.3
15 76.1% Georgian + 23.9% Southeast_English @ 7.35
16 75.2% Georgian + 24.8% North_German @ 7.38
17 73.2% Abhkasian + 26.8% Southwest_English @ 7.39
18 76.5% Georgian + 23.5% Southwest_English @ 7.48
19 73.5% Abhkasian + 26.5% Swedish @ 7.59
20 76.8% Georgian + 23.2% Swedish @ 7.59

[FinalFlash]

What a load of shit lol. Prove that this sample is from an Armenian.

[Token]

What a load of shit lol. Prove that this sample is from an Armenian.
Not 'this' sample, 'these' samples. All of the Bronze Age Armenian samples show some level of Northern European admixture. I got all of them from Allentoft et al 'Population genomics of Bronze Age Eurasia', you can look at the supplementary files by yourself.

[FinalFlash]

Not 'this' sample, 'these' samples. All of the Bronze Age Armenian samples show some level of Northern European admixture. I got all of them from Allentoft et al 'Population genomics of Bronze Age Eurasia', you can read the supplement files by yourself.

That doesnt mean that these samples belonged to ethnic Armenians.

How old are these samples? If its older than 4000 years then it's possible these belonged to our predecessors. If not, then it's a load of baloney. Weve been genetic isolates for 4,000 years for the most part.

[Livin]

What happened to this high steppe ancestry?

[Token]

That doesnt mean that these samples belonged to ethnic Armenians.

How old are these samples? If its older than 4000 years then it's possible these belonged to our predecessors. If not, then it's a load of baloney. Weve been genetic isolates for 4,000 years for the most part.

They date from less than 3500BP. During the Bronze Age, Armenia was flooded by invaders from the north. People with high levels of steppe ancestry popping up at this period should be no surprise. How do you think you guys got a Indo-European language? From the heaven?

[Livin]

They date from less than 3500BP. During the Bronze Age, Armenia was flooded by invaders from the north. People with high leves of steppe ancestry popping up at this period should be no surprise. How do you think you guys got a Indo-European language? From the heaven?

The same thing with Myceneans.I am wondering what happened to those steppe ancestries.....

[Token]

What happened to this high steppe ancestry?

Probably by mixing with a Assyrian like people. They still have some, but very little in comparison to their predecessors.

[FinalFlash]

They date from less than 3500BP. During the Bronze Age, Armenia was flooded by invaders from the north. People with high leves of steppe ancestry popping up at this period should be no surprise. How do you think you guys got a Indo-European language? From the heaven?

Lol "get"? How about maybe we already had an indo-european language before these magical invaders swooped in? Genetic studies on Armenians completely disprove your bogus claims. Our ethnogenesis was cemented between 3000BCE to 2000BCE.

That's 4000 years of genetic continuity my friend. Any magical samples that you think belonged to Armenians within that 4000 year period that doesnt match with Armenians now in all likelihood belonged to foreigners.

[Livin]

Probably by mixing with Assyrian like people. They still have some, but very little in comparison to their predecessors.

They had higher steppe ancestry than myceneans or pretty much the same?

[Token]

They had higher steppe ancestry than myceneans or pretty much the same?

Higher.

[Livin]

Lol "get"? How about maybe we already had an indo-european language before these magical invaders swooped in? Genetic studies on Armenians completely disprove your bogus claims. Our ethnogenesis was cemented between 3000BCE to 2000BCE.

That's 4000 years of genetic continuity my friend. Any magical samples that you think belonged to Armenians within that 4000 year period that doesnt match with Armenians now in all likelihood belonged to foreigners.

Stop being an idiot dude!Proto-armenians were like proto-greeks.People who come from yamnaya/catacomp and they indoeuropicized the locals.Whats your problem?

Your people talking an indoeuropean languange....very close with Greek also.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeco-Armenian

[Tauromachos]

Probably by mixing with a Assyrian like people. They still have some, but very little in comparison to their predecessors.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

:rotfl::bowlol::rotfl::bowlol::rotfl::rotfl:

[FinalFlash]

Stop being an idiot dude!Proto-armenians were like proto-greeks.People who come from yamnaya/catacomp and they indoeuropicized the locals.Whats your problem?

Your people talking an indoeuropean languange....very close with Greek also.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeco-Armenian

First off you're the idiot.

My problem is that this person is posting some random result from some random bones that dont fall in line with Armenian DNA. I've already stated that Armenian genetic continuity has been going for 4000 years. Meaning the 'formula' for an Armenian was established 4000 years ago. Anything prior to 4000 years doesnt mean anything at all because the Armenian ethnogensis had not yet happened. You know what that means? It means that before 2,000BCE, Armenians did not exist as an ethnic group. Which means that this sample isnt an Armenian sample. Lol what's so confusing here?

[Aren]

Absolutely garbage quality on all of the ones you posted. I wonder why you left out the ones with good quality?
Like these Early Bronze Age samples from 2600 BC

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 56.84
2 East_Med 26.07
3 West_Med 6.03
4 North_Atlantic 4.87
5 Baltic 3.75
6 South_Asian 1.79
7 Red_Sea 0.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Abhkasian 6.15
2 Georgian 7.29
3 Adygei 14.14
4 Ossetian 14.34
5 North_Ossetian 15.09
6 Kurdish 16.39
7 Balkar 16.99
8 Kumyk 17.44
9 Lezgin 17.98
10 Chechen 18.46
11 Kabardin 18.52
12 Armenian 19.11
13 Iranian 19.56
14 Azeri 20.6
15 Tabassaran 20.74
16 Georgian_Jewish 21.92
17 Turkish 24.2
18 Assyrian 25.56
19 Turkmen 26.62
20 Makrani 28.5


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 52.53
2 East_Med 28.58
3 West_Med 8.84
4 Baltic 5.25
5 Red_Sea 2.99
6 North_Atlantic 1.8

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Abhkasian 5.98
2 Georgian 6.38
3 Kurdish 13.48
4 Adygei 13.75
5 Armenian 14.51
6 Ossetian 15.13
7 North_Ossetian 15.43
8 Kumyk 16.25
9 Balkar 16.56
10 Iranian 16.79
11 Georgian_Jewish 16.82
12 Azeri 17.54
13 Kabardin 18.14
14 Lezgin 19.18
15 Chechen 19.21
16 Turkish 20.45
17 Assyrian 20.73
18 Tabassaran 22.36
19 Kurdish_Jewish 23.98
20 Iranian_Jewish 24.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.2% Abhkasian + 11.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.1
2 79.1% Abhkasian + 20.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.17
3 84.8% Abhkasian + 15.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.22
4 82.9% Abhkasian + 17.1% Assyrian @ 4.27
5 85.2% Abhkasian + 14.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.29
6 89% Abhkasian + 11% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.31
7 92.7% Abhkasian + 7.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.44
8 77.6% Abhkasian + 22.4% Armenian @ 4.47
9 89.9% Abhkasian + 10.1% Samaritan @ 4.52
10 90.4% Abhkasian + 9.6% Palestinian @ 4.61
11 88.5% Abhkasian + 11.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.7
12 90.4% Abhkasian + 9.6% Jordanian @ 4.76
13 89.9% Abhkasian + 10.1% Cyprian @ 4.81
14 93.4% Abhkasian + 6.6% Saudi @ 4.89
15 89.8% Abhkasian + 10.2% Syrian @ 4.91
16 92.2% Abhkasian + 7.8% Bedouin @ 5.01
17 93.4% Abhkasian + 6.6% Egyptian @ 5.08
18 92.5% Abhkasian + 7.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.08
19 92.8% Abhkasian + 7.2% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.1

[Token]

First off you're the idiot.

My problem is that this person is posting some random result from some random bones that dont fall in line with Armenian DNA. I've already stated that Armenian genetic continuity has been going for 4000 years. Meaning the 'formula' for an Armenian was established 4000 years ago. Anything prior to 4000 years doesnt mean anything at all because the Armenian ethnogensis had not yet happened. You know what that means? It means that before 2,000BCE, Armenians did not exist as an ethnic group. Which means that this sample isnt an Armenian sample. Lol what's so confusing here?

None of the samples are older than 1800BC you genius. Keep coping.

[Livin]

First off you're the idiot.

My problem is that this person is posting some random result from some random bones that dont fall in line with Armenian DNA. I've already stated that Armenian genetic continuity has been going for 4000 years. Meaning the 'formula' for an Armenian was established 4000 years ago. Anything prior to 4000 years doesnt mean anything at all because the Armenian ethnogensis had not yet happened. You know what that means? It means that before 2,000BCE, Armenians did not exist as an ethnic group. Which means that this sample isnt an Armenian sample. Lol what's so confusing here?

Ok Lazaridis tell us then why armenians talking an indoeuropean languange?Some alliens brought it there eH?

Wake up clown!Proto-armenians were the last group for the ethnogenesis of Armenian people.How you think your people have R1b as the main haplo?

[Tauromachos]

Ok Lazaridis tell us then why armenians talking an indoeuropean languange?Some alliens brought it there eH?

Wake up clown!Proto-armenians were the last group for the ethnogenesis of Armenian people.How you think your people have R1b as the main haplo?

Or maybe its your and others misconception that Indoeuropean has to do with Northern or Steppe people only

[FinalFlash]

None of the samples are older than 1800BC you genius. Keep coping.

Oh look a real geneticist over here. Lol read the articles and try to pay attention.

"1800BCE" lol

https://www.peopleofar.com/2017/07/01/a-new-study-finds-8000-years-of-maternal-genetic-continuity-in-armenia/amp/

https://allinnet.info/genetics/new-dna-study-shows-armenian-genetic-traces-across-the-world/amp/

[FinalFlash]

Ok Lazaridis tell us then why armenians talking an indoeuropean languange?Some alliens brought it there eH?

Wake up clown!Proto-armenians were the last group for the ethnogenesis of Armenian people.How you think your people have R1b as the main haplo?

You're the clown, moron. Don't quote me if you're going to chimp out at everything I say.

There are no "proto Armenians" because the Armenian ethnogensis did not exist at that point. If this sample is more than 4000 years, then it probably isnt an Armenian sample. Do you have trouble with basic math?

[celticdragongod]

Armenian is a Indo-European language, yet modern Armenians have little to no Northern European admixture. That is not the case of Bronze Age Armenians.

RISE416, somewhat low quality sample but still impressive.

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 41.65
2 West_Asian 25.79
3 West_Med 23.68
4 East_Med 8.88
5 Baltic 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Andalucia 21.57
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 22.39
3 Spanish_Extremadura 22.39
4 Spanish_Cataluna 22.76
5 Spanish_Murcia 22.86
6 Spanish_Aragon 23.33
7 North_Italian 23.34
8 Portuguese 23.52
9 Spanish_Valencia 23.54
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 23.54
11 Spanish_Cantabria 23.77
12 Spanish_Galicia 24.08
13 French 24.2
14 Southwest_French 25.07
15 Tuscan 25.41
16 Italian_Abruzzo 26.66
17 West_German 27.01
18 South_Dutch 27.19
19 French_Basque 27.3
20 West_Sicilian 28.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64% French_Basque + 36% Abhkasian @ 10.11
2 62.6% French_Basque + 37.4% Georgian @ 10.2
3 59.9% French_Basque + 40.1% Ossetian @ 10.39
4 61.6% French_Basque + 38.4% North_Ossetian @ 11.52
5 61.3% French_Basque + 38.7% Adygei @ 11.71
6 61.4% French_Basque + 38.6% Lezgin @ 11.86
7 60.4% French_Basque + 39.6% Tabassaran @ 11.92
8 60.7% French_Basque + 39.3% Chechen @ 12.06
9 60.4% French_Basque + 39.6% Balkar @ 12.07
10 60.7% French_Basque + 39.3% Kabardin @ 12.57
11 60.4% French_Basque + 39.6% Kumyk @ 12.78
12 63.4% French_Basque + 36.6% Kurdish @ 13.03
13 69.1% French_Basque + 30.9% Brahui @ 13.68
14 68.2% French_Basque + 31.8% Makrani @ 13.7
15 68.7% French_Basque + 31.3% Balochi @ 13.73
16 63.6% French_Basque + 36.4% Armenian @ 13.83
17 64.9% French_Basque + 35.1% Iranian @ 14.05
18 66.2% Spanish_Aragon + 33.8% Ossetian @ 14.07
19 62% French_Basque + 38% Azeri @ 14.14
20 70.6% Spanish_Aragon + 29.4% Abhkasian @ 14.6

RISE408

1 West_Asian 41.17
2 North_Atlantic 31.37
3 West_Med 11.61
4 East_Med 10.34
5 Baltic 5.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tabassaran 21.46
2 Chechen 22.38
3 Ossetian 22.72
4 Lezgin 23.01
5 Kabardin 23.71
6 Balkar 23.75
7 Kumyk 23.83
8 Adygei 24.35
9 North_Ossetian 24.6
10 Georgian 27.83
11 Tadjik 28.59
12 Turkish 28.91
13 Nogay 29.03
14 Azeri 29.53
15 Italian_Abruzzo 29.55
16 Turkmen 29.76
17 Abhkasian 30.3
18 Kurdish 31.01
19 Central_Greek 32.1
20 Romanian 32.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.2% Tabassaran + 28.8% French_Basque @ 11.86
2 57.8% Abhkasian + 42.2% West_Scottish @ 11.95
3 60.4% Georgian + 39.6% West_Scottish @ 12.09
4 57.5% Abhkasian + 42.5% Irish @ 12.1
5 69.3% Lezgin + 30.7% French_Basque @ 12.13
6 66.2% Ossetian + 33.8% Southwest_English @ 12.16
7 66.5% Ossetian + 33.5% West_Scottish @ 12.16
8 57.5% Abhkasian + 42.5% Southwest_English @ 12.16
9 60% Georgian + 40% Irish @ 12.24
10 66.2% Ossetian + 33.8% Irish @ 12.3
11 60.1% Georgian + 39.9% Southwest_English @ 12.3
12 69.9% Ossetian + 30.1% French_Basque @ 12.53
13 66.4% Ossetian + 33.6% Southeast_English @ 12.68
14 70.5% Chechen + 29.5% French_Basque @ 12.73
15 58% Abhkasian + 42% Orcadian @ 12.74
16 66.8% Ossetian + 33.2% Orcadian @ 12.75
17 60.5% Georgian + 39.5% Orcadian @ 12.8
18 57.6% Abhkasian + 42.4% Southeast_English @ 13.02
19 60.2% Georgian + 39.8% Southeast_English @ 13.07
20 66.9% Ossetian + 33.1% North_Dutch @ 13.08

RISE423

1 West_Asian 42.37
2 East_Med 19.74
3 North_Atlantic 18.42
4 Baltic 7.73
5 West_Med 5.1
6 Sub-Saharan 1.71
7 Red_Sea 1.62
8 Oceanian 1.59
9 South_Asian 1.03
10 Amerindian 0.7

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kumyk 11.84
2 Lezgin 12.11
3 Chechen 12.44
4 Tabassaran 12.66
5 Adygei 13.09
6 Ossetian 13.78
7 Balkar 14.25
8 Kabardin 14.44
9 North_Ossetian 14.5
10 Georgian 16.48
11 Azeri 17.16
12 Kurdish 17.79
13 Turkish 18.74
14 Abhkasian 18.99
15 Iranian 20.09
16 Turkmen 20.43
17 Armenian 21.65
18 Tadjik 23.47
19 Georgian_Jewish 23.7
20 Nogay 24.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.2% Abhkasian + 26.8% West_Scottish @ 6.92
2 73% Abhkasian + 27% Irish @ 7.05
3 72.8% Abhkasian + 27.2% North_Dutch @ 7.06
4 72.7% Abhkasian + 27.3% Danish @ 7.06
5 76.5% Georgian + 23.5% West_Scottish @ 7.07
6 76% Georgian + 24% Danish @ 7.16
7 73.4% Abhkasian + 26.6% Norwegian @ 7.17
8 76.3% Georgian + 23.7% Irish @ 7.18
9 76% Georgian + 24% North_Dutch @ 7.18
10 73.1% Abhkasian + 26.9% Orcadian @ 7.21
11 76.6% Georgian + 23.4% Norwegian @ 7.24
12 72.8% Abhkasian + 27.2% Southeast_English @ 7.27
13 76.4% Georgian + 23.6% Orcadian @ 7.28
14 71.8% Abhkasian + 28.2% North_German @ 7.3
15 76.1% Georgian + 23.9% Southeast_English @ 7.35
16 75.2% Georgian + 24.8% North_German @ 7.38
17 73.2% Abhkasian + 26.8% Southwest_English @ 7.39
18 76.5% Georgian + 23.5% Southwest_English @ 7.48
19 73.5% Abhkasian + 26.5% Swedish @ 7.59
20 76.8% Georgian + 23.2% Swedish @ 7.59

Which test did you use?

[Sikeliot]

This makes sense to me. Armenians mixed with their neighbors to the south, and before this, would have had more North European.

[FinalFlash]

This makes sense to me. Armenians mixed with their neighbors to the south, and before this, would have had more North European.

Armenians have been genetic isolates for 4,000 years. We haven't "mixed" with anyone to any meaningful degree.

[Lauχum]

Here are the Armenian Copper and Bronze Age samples from the G25 datasheet, compared to the modern Armenian average.
https://i.imgur.com/DtO65dw.png

Whilst modern Armenians have been influenced by more Natufian-rich populations compared to their ancient counterparts, the ancient Armenians are far from being closest to modern Iberians and North Italians, or any modern European population (blue). They're closest to NW Asian groups such as Georgians, Turks and Iranians. Those GEDmatch results are definitely skewed due to low coverage.

[Livin]

Armenians have been genetic isolates for 4,000 years. We haven't "mixed" with anyone to any meaningful degree.

Get lost diaspora clown!Everybody here agrees with their steppe ancestry except you.Doing a favour to yourself and shot your your head.

[FinalFlash]

Get lost diaspora clown!Everybody here agrees with their steppe ancestry except you.Doing a favour to yourself and shot your your head.

"Everybody agrees". Whoever agrees is a complete imbecile and has trouble with reading comprehension.

Fvck off you hellenized piece of turd.

[Livin]

"Everybody agrees". Whoever agrees is a complete imbecile and has trouble with reading comprehension.

Fvck off you hellenized piece of turd.

Cry cr cry!You want it or not proto-armenians reformed your nation and they gave your indoeuropean language.Anyway i am giving too much attention to a diaspora clown like you.Real Armenians don't even consider diaspora armenians as their owns!

Now go to see some videos with the whore sisters kardasians and the cocaine clown Dan Blizerian....it its the only thing that your country produced for humanity....

[StonyArabia]

Armenians have been genetic isolates for 4,000 years. We haven't "mixed" with anyone to any meaningful degree.

How about mixing with Persians? Persians and Armenians often had positive relations for most of history.

[FinalFlash]

How about mixing with Persians? Persians and Armenians often had positive relations for most of history.

No. Mixing hasn't happening with Persians or anyone for that matter. Not inside Armenia. There are a couple of articles that I linked on the first or second page of this thread. Check it out if you'd like.

[Lauχum]

Armenians probably do have some steppe ancestry, even if its very minor, because of the considerable amount of R1b-L23 amongst them (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3286660/). L23's TRMCA is during the eneolithic about 800 years before Yamnaya (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L23/) , who had significant amounts of it (https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14317). Yamnaya has the earliest R1b-L23 so far and is very close to the TMRCA, when the earliest R1b-L23 has appeared in West Asia is during the late Bronze Age. There is a Haji Firuz "Copper Age" sample but it hasn't been properly dated and shifts towards Yamnaya compared to other Haji Firuz samples.

[FinalFlash]

Cry cr cry!You want it or not proto-armenians reformed your nation and they gave your indoeuropean language.Anyway i am giving too much attention to a diaspora clown like you.Real Armenians don't even consider diaspora armenians as their owns!

Now go to see some videos with the whore sisters kardasians and the cocaine clown Dan Blizerian....it its the only thing that your country produced for humanity....

"Proto Armenians" Damn, you're a persistent little pest arent you? I'm from Armenia btw and at least I'm an ethnic Armenian and not some Hellenized fake wannabee Greek. Eat your heart out psycho.

[Lauχum]

Then again I could be wrong... the Steppe score in Armenians does seem extremely weak, inconsistent and sometimes non-existent. Perhaps the Global25 isn't powerful enough to do a sufficient analysis, or these West Asian samples are masking the signal. It will be interesting to see how things turn out with further DNA from the Hittites, Copper and Early Bronze Age Caucasus/Iran and the Copper and Early Bronze Age steppe.

"distance%=1.6295"
Armenian
Armenia_EBA,54
Levant_BA_North,24
Anatolia_EBA,20.4
Yamnaya_Samara,1.6

"distance%=1.6527"
Armenian
Armenia_EBA,56
Anatolia_EBA,22.2
Levant_BA_North,20.2
Sintashta_MLBA,1.6

"distance%=2.1351"
Armenian
Armenia_ChL,45.6
Seh_Gabi_ChL,22.8
Anatolia_ChL,21
Levant_ChL,10.6
Khvalynsk_Eneolithic,0

"distance%=2.1351"
Armenian
Armenia_ChL,45.6
Seh_Gabi_ChL,22.8
Anatolia_ChL,21
Levant_ChL,10.6
Yamnaya_Samara,0

[Livin]

"Proto Armenians" Damn, you're a persistent little pest arent you? I'm from Armenia btw and at least I'm an ethnic Armenian and not some Hellenized fake wannabee Greek. Eat your heart out psycho.

You are not armenian but some poor shit left for a better country!You left behind your country and i bet you have not service in the army(2 years).Real armenians live in Armenia and they protect their homeland from Azeris and Turks.

You coward you left your country to feed your stomach and you don't deserve to claim Armenian herritage.

As for me idiot i never pretented the ancient greek!I know very well my roots and i am a hellenized greek in genetics.From culture,languange,religion,way of life,traditions i am 100% Greek.And not all the people here have roots from ancient greeks and myceneans.There are many people like Pontians who got hellenization.

Now suck my dick and go to learn your ethnogenesis diaspora shit....

[FinalFlash]

You are not armenian but some poor shit left for a better country!You left behind your country and i bet you have not service in the army(2 years).Real armenians live in Armenia and they protect their homeland from Azeris and Turks.

You coward you left your country to feed your stomach and you don't deserve to claim Armenian herritage.

As for me idiot i never pretented the ancient greek!I know very well my roots and i am a hellenized greek in genetics.From culture,languange,religion,way of life,traditions i am 100% Greek.And not all the people here have roots from ancient greeks and myceneans.There are many people like Pontians who get hellenization.

Now suck my dick and go to learn your ethnogenesis diaspora shit....

You.dont know anything about Armenians you imbecile. And you're still not Greek you homeless cunt. It's ironic you criticize me for being an expat yet you don't live in Turkey lol.

First learn about your roots and who you are before you tell someone who is superior about his. I guess you know more about Armenian DNA than professional geneticists lol good on you kid.

[Livin]

You.dont know anything about Armenians you imbecile. And you're still not Greek you homeless cunt. It's ironic you criticize me for being an expat yet you don't live in Turkey lol.

First learn about your roots and who you are before you tell someone who is superior about his.

ahahaha you fucking clown you didn't answer nothing to what i said to you!!!


You keep insist about my roots what a moron.I already told you that modern greeks have many hellenized people and thats because of Alexander the great conquest in anatolia and later with byzantine empire.And not only anatolians hellenized but also balkaners,slavs and others!

As for Armenians i know many of them and i got friends also.The majority of them borned here because their grandparents were refugees during Armenian geonocide.Many of them went back to Armenia to service in the army and some of them also stayed to live there.

You coward live in murica and you pretend the armenian behind from the PC.Ironic that REAL Armenians serving in military to protect their homeland from azeris,turks and kurds instead eating cheesburger and masturbating watching the kardasian whore sisters....!!!!

I am superior to you because i live in my country and i can claim Greek herittage even if am not from genetics side.In your situation you can't claim anything,because you are a fucking Yankee wanna be!!!

Don't forget to like the new instagram pic of Dan stupiderian....your iconic idol

[Armenian Bishop]

Cry cr cry!You want it or not proto-armenians reformed your nation and they gave your indoeuropean language.Anyway i am giving too much attention to a diaspora clown like you.Real Armenians don't even consider diaspora armenians as their owns!

Now go to see some videos with the whore sisters kardasians and the cocaine clown Dan Blizerian....it its the only thing that your country produced for humanity....

Beats me how this escalated so fast, but please don't insult the Armenian Diaspora. This is my first comment about this, and I've already been insulted before I could even say one word.

[Livin]

Beats me how this escalated so fast, but please don't insult the Armenian Diaspora. This is my first comment about this, and I've already been insulted before I could even say one word.

Real Armenians who live in Armenia consider people like you as traitors.Armenia its a tiny country with 2 million population surrounded by Turks,Azeris,kurds etc...!
The majority of people like you left Armenia and look what happening......demographic problems!!!


You doing your life in murica and the real citizens of Armenia eating shit in their poor country.But these people are patriots and they love their homeland,they didn't abandoned it....

[Armenian Bishop]

Real Armenians who live in Armenia consider people like you as traitors.Armenia its a tiny country with 2 million population surrounded by Turks,Azeris,kurds etc...!
The majority of people like you left Armenia and look what happening......demographic problems!!!


You doing your life in murica and the real citizens of Armenia eating shit in their poor country.But these people are patriots and they love their homeland,they didn't abandoned it....

Who the hell do you think you are, making judgments about a country that isn't your own? Have you even been to Armenia? I was there during the Karabakh War, as a Guest of the State.

My birthplace is in California, because of the century old Armenian Genocide. I'm here because my grandparents foresaw that greater tragedies were in the making, the same way that tragedies were in the making for European Jews, as the holocaust was about to break out over the landscape. My grandparents were lucky enough to leave a few years before it got really ugly, with the exception of one great uncle, all those who stayed there perished.

I don't know who you are, but you're way out of line to dump judgments like that upon a people whom were targeted for complete annihilation and cultural genocide. By the way, if you're Pontic Greek, then did you're distant relatives also leave their homes to find refuge in Greece? If so, that makes it even more unforgivable that you have launched those kind of insults.

Greeks got off much easier about the Pontic Genocide, despite that they suffered horribly too. Western Armenia was literally obliterated, and it was the heartland of Armenia. What is left is on the Eastern periphery of the homeland. You're really arrogant about this, and I question whether you have any clue about the subtle complexities of the Armenian Diaspora.

[Livin]

Who the hell do you think you are, making judgments about a country that isn't your own? Have you even been to Armenia? I was there during the Karabakh War, as a Guest of the State.

My birthplace is in California, because of the century old Armenian Genocide. I'm here because my grandparents foresaw that greater tragedies were in the making, the same way that tragedies were in the making for European Jews, as the holocaust was about to break out over the landscape. My grandparents were lucky enough to leave a few years before it got really ugly, with the exception of one great uncle, all those who stayed there perished.

I don't know who you are, but you're way out of line to dump judgments like that upon a people whom were targeted for complete annihilation and cultural genocide. By the way, if you're Pontic Greek, then did you're distant relatives also leave their homes to find refuge in Greece? If so, that makes it even more unforgivable that you have launched those kind of insults.

Greeks got off much easier about the Pontic Genocide, despite that they suffered horribly too. Western Armenia was literally obliterated, and it was the heartland of Armenia. What is left is on the Eastern periphery of the homeland. You're really arrogant about this, and I question whether you have any clue about the subtle complexities of the Armenian Diaspora.



You don't really seemed to understand what i am telling here.Diaspora from all over the world and not only Armenias(i have nothing with armenians,they are great people and i love them) is a joke.

If you really consider your self as an Armenian leave murica and go to leave in Armenia!Did you service in the military?It is 2 years.Do you know why?Because Armenia is surrounded by enemies like Azeris,Turks,Kurds etc.Do you have any idea about the demographic problem of Armenia?The population limited year by year.Many Armenians borned in Greece aswell(Due to armenian geonocide)and they returned back to Armenia.

As for Pontians is a different story.My people were Greeks(even if we are not in genetics).They left their homeland like Armenians did, but they went to their second homeland Greece!!!

The Greek state(government) asked Pontians to come back,because they considered us for Greeks.

[FinalFlash]

Who the hell do you think you are, making judgments about a country that isn't your own? Have you even been to Armenia? I was there during the Karabakh War, as a Guest of the State.

My birthplace is in California, because of the century old Armenian Genocide. I'm here because my grandparents foresaw that greater tragedies were in the making, the same way that tragedies were in the making for European Jews, as the holocaust was about to break out over the landscape. My grandparents were lucky enough to leave a few years before it got really ugly, with the exception of one great uncle, all those who stayed there perished.

I don't know who you are, but you're way out of line to dump judgments like that upon a people whom were targeted for complete annihilation and cultural genocide. By the way, if you're Pontic Greek, then did you're distant relatives also leave their homes to find refuge in Greece? If so, that makes it even more unforgivable that you have launched those kind of insults.

Greeks got off much easier about the Pontic Genocide, despite that they suffered horribly too. Western Armenia was literally obliterated, and it was the heartland of Armenia. What is left is on the Eastern periphery of the homeland. You're really arrogant about this, and I question whether you have any clue about the subtle complexities of the Armenian Diaspora.

He clearly has a chip on his shoulder. Don't even bother with this clown. At the very least we have a home to return to while this "Greek" lives away from his real homeland. He is obviously projecting when he says that we are "traitors" for leaving Armenia(which I was 1 when my parents emigrated btw), because he knows deep down, in his core that he isnt even a real Greek but an imposter living in foreign territory. Kid must suffer from an identity crisis and seems like he's always stressed out judging by the nature of his posts.

[Livin]

He clearly has a chip on his shoulder. Don't even bother with this clown. At the very least we have a home to return to while this "Greek" lives away from his real homeland. He is obviously projecting when he says that we are "traitors" for leaving Armenia(which I was 1 when my parents emigrated btw), because he knows deep down, in his core that he isnt even a real Greek but an imposter living in foreign territory. Kid must suffer from an identity crisis and seems like he's always stressed out judging by the nature of his posts.

Your parents left Armenia when you was 1 hahahaha that says everything.

You still saying your bullshit about Pontians.I already told you who we are and why the Greek state wanted us.Because they considered us for Greeks(Even if we are not).In your situation its worse.You are a Yankeed Murican wannabe Armenian.I bet you don't even talk the Armenian language and you probably have never been in the country.I am not gonna say about the military....a coward would never do that!

Have a nice day diaspora nationalist hahahahahahahha :picard2:

[Livin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians


Total population 6-8 million.

The Armenian republic has almost 3 million...all the others are diasporas in Russia,USA and EU countries.

Thats why Armenia has demographic problems....

[FinalFlash]

Your parents left Armenia when you was 1 hahahaha that says everything.

You still saying your bullshit about Pontians.I already told you who we are and why the Greek state wanted us.Because they considered us for Greeks(Even if we are not).In your situation its worse.You are a Yankeed Murican wannabe Armenian.I bet you don't even talk the Armenian language and you probably have never been in the country.I am not gonna say about the military....a coward would never do that!

Have a nice day diaspora nationalist hahahahahahahha :picard2:

Lol a professional geneticist and also a psychologist. To be honest at least I speak my mother tongue(the Armenian language) and not the language of my conquerors(in your case, Greek). Truthfully, most Pontians are essentially Armenians who sold out. Your ancestors gave in to the Greeks and you are their descendant. Nothing but an upside down Armenian :)

Maybe stop projecting like an insecure boy?

[Livin]

Lol a professional geneticist and also a psychologist. To be honest at least I speak my mother tongue(the Armenian language) and not the language of my conquerors(in your case, Greek). Truthfully, most Pontians are essentially Armenians who sold out. Your ancestors gave in to the Greeks and you are their descendant. Nothing but an upside down Armenian :)

Maybe stop projecting like an insecure boy?

Rofl!

You are funny.Pontians took the greek languange from Greek colonizers.Even if we are west asians there is some Greek ancestry among us.The folks were native anatolians pretty much close to cholchians like modern Laz people.

Armenians and Pontians have nothing to do with each other.The fact that we are close in genetics side it doesn't means that Pontians are Armenians.The only Armenian group witch probably hellenized are the Hemshin but the majority of them assilimated into the Laz people.Only some of them christianized like some lazs and they become Pontians.

Learn the ethnogenesis of your people retard.I know the Armenian history better than you do yankee...

[Armenian Bishop]

You don't really seemed to understand what i am telling here.Diaspora from all over the world and not only Armenias(i have nothing with armenians,they are great people and i love them) is a joke.

If you really consider your self as an Armenian leave murica and go to leave in Armenia!Did you service in the military?It is 2 years.Do you know why?Because Armenia is surrounded by enemies like Azeris,Turks,Kurds etc.Do you have any idea about the demographic problem of Armenia?The population limited year by year.Many Armenians borned in Greece aswell(Due to armenian geonocide)and they returned back to Armenia.

As for Pontians is a different story.My people were Greeks(even if we are not in genetics).They left their homeland like Armenians did, but they went to their second homeland Greece!!!

The Greek state(government) asked Pontians to come back,because they considered us for Greeks.

Just don't dump shit on Armenian Diaspora because of it's unfortunate circumstances. And, don't bundle us all together into a one size fits all judgment. I read Armenian news sources everyday. I've done a lot of research about Armenia's history and politics. But, I was born in the diaspora, and my grandparents came here because they were earmarked to be murdered in a genocide.

I know about what happened, and I know much about what is happening now, but it isn't so easy for me to just get up and leave to Armenia. This kind of thing is very complex, and it doesn't always lend itself to simplistic remedies.

Greeks don't comprehend how much was obliterated in Western Armenia.

The Armenian Diaspora hasn't been sitting idly by though, and they want to do more. The financial aid is astronomically enormous from Armenians Worldwide. The Armenian Diaspora has done much to lobby for a better understanding of Armenian history and politics, in countries around the world.

For a long time, I have wanted to go to Armenia, but it didn't work out the way I wanted it to be. As I said, the situation is complex, I got a lot of resistance from people around me. At this point, it would be good if I could get a second residence there. But, the money I need for that is locked up in real estate right now. My real estate assets are shared with my sister, and I can't easily sell them off.

I know that Armenia is surrounded by enemies. I know that Armenians are leaving the homeland. Do you think I was born yesterday? I do much reading about such things. I probably know more than you about it. As for the newcomer diaspora, I'm not happy about those whom have found it incumbent upon themselves to leave Armenia, but my situation isn't the same as theirs.

As for the Kardashians, Kim Kardashian is doing much to increase awareness of the Armenian Genocide. She even got the ear of President Trump, in a private meeting.

[FinalFlash]

Rofl!

You are funny.Pontians took the greek languange from Greek colonizers.Even if we are west asians there is some Greek ancestry among us.The folks were native anatolians pretty much close to cholchians like modern Laz people.

Armenians and Pontians have nothing to do with each other.The fact that we are close in genetics side it doesn't means that Pontians are Armenians.The only Armenian group witch probably hellenized are the Hemshin but the majority of them assilimated into the Laz people.Only some of them christianized like some lazs and they become Pontians.

Learn the ethnogenesis of your people retard.I know the Armenian history better than you do yankee...

That's funny because most Pontian samples I ran through Gedmatch usually matched an Armenian as their top pick. Hamshen Armenians still exist in their insular communities in Turkey whereas most have fled to Russia and inhabit coastal cities such as Sochi. They didnt "assimilate" into anyone.

You're telling me about my people's ethnogensis? Lol I showed you studies where geneticists, actual professional geneticists(lazaridis for example) confirm that the Armenian genetic continuity has been going on for at least 4,000 years and that Armenians are genetic isolates and a "living fossil".

The work of professional geneticists ^

Yet you completely ignore the articles I've posted while opting for ad hominem attacks as if I fucked your girlfriend or stole your money. It's obvious to me that you're delusional and havent the slightest clue of anything Armenian-related.

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etBNo0638Pw&frags=pl%2Cwn

This Library of Congress Lecture is very informative about ancient Armenian DNA origins. Skip ahead to 17 minutes into the video, to get past the introduction into the actual lecture.

[Livin]

That's funny because most Pontian samples I ran through Gedmatch usually matched an Armenian as their top pick. Hamshen Armenians still exist in their insular communities in Turkey whereas most have fled to Russia and inhabit coastal cities such as Sochi. They didnt "assimilate" into anyone.

You're telling me about my people's ethnogensis? Lol I showed you studies where geneticists, actual professional geneticists(lazaridis for example) confirm that the Armenian genetic continuity has been going on for at least 4,000 years and that Armenians are genetic isolates and a "living fossil".

The work of professional geneticists ^

Yet you completely ignore the articles I've posted while opting for ad hominem attacks as if I fucked your girlfriend or stole your money. It's obvious to me that you're delusional and havent the slightest clue of anything Armenian-related.


It is normal that we matched with Armenians ,Assyrians,Georgians etc because we all have the same genetic impact,and we score high caucasian admixture so what?So, Cretans are south Italians and aszhenazi jewish because they cluster totgether?

Take a look here.I am Pontian from Trabzon.

Look the differences between laz people,armenians and pontians.
https://easternblackseadna.blogspot.com/2017/11/west-central-and-east-trabzon-y-dna.html
https://easternblackseadna.blogspot.com/2017/11/trabzon-y-dna-ratios.html
https://easternblackseadna.blogspot.com/2017/12/hemshin-y-dna-haplogroups.html

https://easternblackseadna.blogspot.com/2017/12/y-dna-differences-and-similarities.html

[Livin]

That's funny because most Pontian samples I ran through Gedmatch usually matched an Armenian as their top pick. Hamshen Armenians still exist in their insular communities in Turkey whereas most have fled to Russia and inhabit coastal cities such as Sochi. They didnt "assimilate" into anyone.

You're telling me about my people's ethnogensis? Lol I showed you studies where geneticists, actual professional geneticists(lazaridis for example) confirm that the Armenian genetic continuity has been going on for at least 4,000 years and that Armenians are genetic isolates and a "living fossil".

The work of professional geneticists ^

Yet you completely ignore the articles I've posted while opting for ad hominem attacks as if I fucked your girlfriend or stole your money. It's obvious to me that you're delusional and havent the slightest clue of anything Armenian-related.

https://easternblackseadna.blogspot.com/2018/01/hemshin-autosomal-dna.html
https://easternblackseadna.blogspot.com/2017/12/laz-autosomal-dna.html
https://easternblackseadna.blogspot.com/2018/01/autosomal-dna-of-peoples-neighboring.html

[Livin]

That's funny because most Pontian samples I ran through Gedmatch usually matched an Armenian as their top pick. Hamshen Armenians still exist in their insular communities in Turkey whereas most have fled to Russia and inhabit coastal cities such as Sochi. They didnt "assimilate" into anyone.

You're telling me about my people's ethnogensis? Lol I showed you studies where geneticists, actual professional geneticists(lazaridis for example) confirm that the Armenian genetic continuity has been going on for at least 4,000 years and that Armenians are genetic isolates and a "living fossil".

The work of professional geneticists ^

Yet you completely ignore the articles I've posted while opting for ad hominem attacks as if I fucked your girlfriend or stole your money. It's obvious to me that you're delusional and havent the slightest clue of anything Armenian-related.

https://easternblackseadna.blogspot.com/2018/01/autosomal-dna-of-trabzon-and-its.html

Trabzon both turks and greek.

[Livin]

That's funny because most Pontian samples I ran through Gedmatch usually matched an Armenian as their top pick. Hamshen Armenians still exist in their insular communities in Turkey whereas most have fled to Russia and inhabit coastal cities such as Sochi. They didnt "assimilate" into anyone.

You're telling me about my people's ethnogensis? Lol I showed you studies where geneticists, actual professional geneticists(lazaridis for example) confirm that the Armenian genetic continuity has been going on for at least 4,000 years and that Armenians are genetic isolates and a "living fossil".

The work of professional geneticists ^

Yet you completely ignore the articles I've posted while opting for ad hominem attacks as if I fucked your girlfriend or stole your money. It's obvious to me that you're delusional and havent the slightest clue of anything Armenian-related.




And here you got it all together!
https://easternblackseadna.blogspot.com/2018/01/autosomal-comparison-of-eastern-black


Pontians are mostly native anatolians.

[wvwvw]

Ignore this bastard Turkish imbecile going by the name Litvin. He’s no Greek, he’s no Pontian.

The IE language had nothing to do with any Steppe invaders. It was the Greeks and Anatolian people that Indo-Europanized the Steppe invaders not the other way round. The Steppe invaders contributed less than 30% to so called IE languages.

[wvwvw]

Those are not Armenian samples. What a load of bullcrap

[Livin]

Ignore this bastard Turkish imbecile going by the name Litvin. He’s no Greek, he’s no Pontian.

The IE language had nothing to do with any Steppe invaders. It was the Greeks and Anatolian people that Indo-Europanized the Steppe invaders not the other way round. The Steppe invaders contributed less than 30% to so called IE languages.

hahahah entertain us plss hahhaah

[FinalFlash]

Those are not Armenian samples. What a load of bullcrap

Thank you. Finally, a voice of fucking reason around here lol

[Livin]

Those are not Armenian samples. What a load of bullcrap

Ok stupid troll tell us then why armenians talking an indoeuroean language....!

I am all ears freak.

[FinalFlash]

Ignore this bastard Turkish imbecile going by the name Litvin. He’s no Greek, he’s no Pontian.

The IE language had nothing to do with any Steppe invaders. It was the Greeks and Anatolian people that Indo-Europanized the Steppe invaders not the other way round. The Steppe invaders contributed less than 30% to so called IE languages.

Honestly, I dont get this. Is there any actual evidence of some steppe barbarians from God knows where who supposedly gave everyone and anyone a language like Santa Claus giving Christmas gifts?

Judging by the culture and history of the people of Southern Europe and Northwest Asia, I find it highly questionable that some neanderthals would even have a language where anyone who is anyone has supposedly adopted.

Seriously, is there any evidence for this? Or does leaving a few odd traces of meaningless DNA automatically cement this notion? If so, can I claim that it was the Armenians who indo-europeanized many people who score "Caucasus" DNA? Lol this is a serious question.

[FinalFlash]

Ok stupid troll tell us then why armenians talking an indoeuroean language....!

I am all ears freak.

Armenian language is considered an isolate within the indo-european language family. Our language doesnt diverge from any language nor are their languages that have diverged from us.

[wvwvw]

Lol a professional geneticist and also a psychologist. To be honest at least I speak my mother tongue(the Armenian language) and not the language of my conquerors(in your case, Greek). Truthfully, most Pontians are essentially Armenians who sold out. Your ancestors gave in to the Greeks and you are their descendant. Nothing but an upside down Armenian :)

Maybe stop projecting like an insecure boy?

Pontians do not speak any conquerors language. Greeks have been living in Pontus since 1500 BC. Ancient Greeks had ancestry from at least three lineages one Pontic lineage that arrived to Greece 50,000 ago (with their Ursula female lineage) , a North African that arrived to Greece via Cyprus 10,000 ago and another that arrived from the Steppes via the Balkans (R1 lineage and its female ’Helene’ lineage) around 5,000 years ago. The only difference between mainland Greeks and Pontic and Cypriot Greeks is that the Steppe linage never arrived there or dominated as much as in Greece. Finally Litvin is an imbecile a migrant living in Greece not even Pontian.

[Livin]

Armenian language is considered an isolate within the indo-european language family. Our language doesnt diverge from any language nor are their languages that have diverged from us.

So,according to you this is a big lie and pseudo-theory.....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeco-Armenian

[Livin]

Pontians do not speak any conquerors language. Greeks have been living in Pontus since 1500 BC. Ancient Greeks had ancestry from at least three lineages one Pontic lineage that arrived to Greece 50,000 ago (with their Ursula female lineage) , a North African that arrived to Greece via Cyprus 10,000 ago and another that arrived from the Steppes via the Balkans (R1 lineage and its female ’Helene’ lineage) around 5,000 years ago. The only difference between mainland Greeks and Pontic and Cypriot Greeks is that the Steppe linage never arrived there or dominated as much as in Greece. Finally Litvin is an imbecile a migrant living in Greece not even Pontian.



ahahahah you are the best troll i love you ahahahaha!!!!

Another diaspora nuts.

[Livin]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_language

[FinalFlash]

So,according to you this is a big lie and pseudo-theory.....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeco-Armenian

It clearly says that it was a theory or a hypothesis. Not a fact.

[Anglojew]

I've been saying this for years. The ancient Near East was whiter than today.

[Tauromachos]

It clearly says that it was a theory or a hypothesis. Not a fact.

Indoeuropeans
http://languagecontinuity.blogspot.com/2009/05/colin-renfrew-anatolian-hypothesis.html

His theories are based on a simple fact: a phenomenon of such proportions as the expansion of IE languages can only be explained in connection with a really significant event in prehistory. And this event, according to Renfrew, is the expansion of agriculture in the Neolithic. This puts the chronology of PIE a couple of millennia back in time (around 5000-6000 BC), and the PIE homeland somewhere in the Anatolian Peninsula, from where, alongside agriculture, IE languages (and peoples) spread towards Europe and Central Asia. For this reason, his theory is often referred to as the Anatolian Hypothesis.

[Livin]

I've been saying this for years. The ancient Near East was whiter than today.

But why?

What happened?

[Leto]

Just don't dump shit on Armenian Diaspora because of it's unfortunate circumstances. And, don't bundle us all together into a one size fits all judgment. I read Armenian news sources everyday. I've done a lot of research about Armenia's history and politics. But, I was born in the diaspora, and my grandparents came here because they were earmarked to be murdered in a genocide.

I know about what happened, and I know much about what is happening now, but it isn't so easy for me to just get up and leave to Armenia. This kind of thing is very complex, and it doesn't always lend itself to simplistic remedies.

Greeks don't comprehend how much was obliterated in Western Armenia.

The Armenian Diaspora hasn't been sitting idly by though, and they want to do more. The financial aid is astronomically enormous from Armenians Worldwide. The Armenian Diaspora has done much to lobby for a better understanding of Armenian history and politics, in countries around the world.

For a long time, I have wanted to go to Armenia, but it didn't work out the way I wanted it to be. As I said, the situation is complex, I got a lot of resistance from people around me. At this point, it would be good if I could get a second residence there. But, the money I need for that is locked up in real estate right now. My real estate assets are shared with my sister, and I can't easily sell them off.

I know that Armenia is surrounded by enemies. I know that Armenians are leaving the homeland. Do you think I was born yesterday? I do much reading about such things. I probably know more than you about it. As for the newcomer diaspora, I'm not happy about those whom have found it incumbent upon themselves to leave Armenia, but my situation isn't the same as theirs.

As for the Kardashians, Kim Kardashian is doing much to increase awareness of the Armenian Genocide. She even got the ear of President Trump, in a private meeting.
Armenians have literally been swamping Russia since the early 90s. I respect the Armenians and would take them over any sort of Islamic rats any day but the amount in Russia is just fucking huge. You can find them literally everywhere, even in Siberian towns but especially in the South as well as in Moscow, St. Petersburg, etc. The total number of Armenians in Russia probably exceeds 2 million. My problem is that they are too nationalist to assimilate quickly and simply too numerous. It's bad for them too anyway, since they intebreed, lose their language, culture, etc.

[Leto]

But why?

What happened?
Muslims. They are the ones that bring darkness everywhere they set foot.

[Anglojew]

But why?

What happened?

Many waves of invasions, immigration and slavery eg from Arabia, Siberia (Turks), Mongolia, Africa etc

[Livin]

Many waves of invasions, immigration and slavery eg from Arabia, Siberia (Turks), Mongolia, Africa etc

well,i think this goes also for ancient rome and byzantine empire.We are all pretty much mixed i guess.

But i think near east was always swarthy region.

Anatolia at least we’re my ancestors come from the majority are very dark skinned.

[FinalFlash]

Armenians have literally been swamping Russia since the early 90s. I respect the Armenians and would take them over any sort of Islamic rats any day but the amount in Russia is just fucking huge. You can find them literally everywhere, even in Siberian towns but especially in the South as well as in Moscow, St. Petersburg, etc. The total number of Armenians in Russia probably exceeds 2 million. My problem is that they are too nationalist to assimilate quickly and simply too numerous. It's bad for them too anyway, since they intebreed, lose their language, culture, etc.

Weve been swamping Russia since way before the 90s lol. But I agree with your sentiments. I want Armenians to eventually return home and build our nation and I also want Russia to remain Russian. Not Islamoafrican like France for instance.

[Lauχum]

This is ridiculous, Ancient Armenians were not mixed out by Arabs, African Slaves and Mongols. Its pretty obvious by now that non-Islamic populations were unaffected by these movements, and ancient Armenians were not "whiter", they were still firmly West Asian look at the PCA I posted a while back. The reason they're more levant shifted today is probably because of ancient gene-flow from the Assyrians, Sumerians, Babylonians, SW Asian Christian populations, etc.

[Leto]

Weve been swamping Russia since way before the 90s lol. But I agree with your sentiments. I want Armenians to eventually return home and build our nation and I also want Russia to remain Russian. Not Islamoafrican like France for instance.
Not really. Before the 90s Central Russia and Siberia had very few Armenians. I'm 27 and I remember the first Armenians in the place where I grew up.
The reason why Western Armenians all but left is pretty much understandable.
By the way, how much are the differences between Armenians from different countries felt in the US diaspora? From Armenia, Iran, Lebanon, etc.

[Lauχum]

I added Yoruba and Mongola to my Armenian model, they score nothing.
"distance%=1.6833"
Armenian
Armenia_EBA,55.2
Anatolia_EBA,25.2
Levant_BA_North,18.6
Yamnaya_Samara,1
Mongola,0
Yoruba,0

[steppenwolf]

Muslims. They are the ones that bring darkness everywhere they set foot.

Religion does not determine the phenotype. It is the race. All the holy religions sprang from middle east and all the followers were brown.

[Armenian Bishop]

As for Pontus and Armenia, they have had much to do with each other, and formed an alliance through marriage during the 1st Century BC. There has been camaraderie and brotherhood between the Pontic People and the Armenians:

"Mithridates . . . posed as the champion of Hellenism . . . Whatever his true intentions, the Greek cities (including Athens) defected to the side of Mithridates and welcomed his armies in mainland Greece, while his fleet besieged the Romans at Rhodes. Neighboring King of Armenia Tigranes the Great established an alliance with Mithridates and married one of Mithridates’ daughters, Cleopatra of Pontus. They would support each other in the coming conflict with Rome."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithridates_VI_of_Pontus

[Haider]

I've been saying this for years. The ancient Near East was whiter than today.

Not true. This ancient Armenian only scores like this because it was an early Indo-European speaker. And especially not for the Levant, which was actually even more Red Sea/Arabian-like even during Canaanite times compared to today.

[Leto]

Religion does not determine the phenotype. It is the race. All the holy religions sprang from middle east and all the followers were brown.
Europe was called Christendom just a few centuries ago.

[Lauχum]

Yup, ancient Levantines actually had more Natufian ancestry, not less.

"distance%=1.9682"
Lebanese_Christian
Levant_BA_North,81.2
Armenia_MLBA,18.8
BedouinB,0
Yoruba,0

"distance%=2.0015"
Lebanese_Muslim
Levant_BA_North,68
Armenia_MLBA,30
Yoruba,1.4
BedouinB,0.6

"distance%=2.1273"
Samaritan
Levant_BA_North,95.8
Armenia_MLBA,4.2
BedouinB,0
Yoruba,0

"distance%=2.2191"
Palestinian
Levant_BA_South,68.4
Armenia_MLBA,27
Yoruba,4.6
BedouinB,0

[FinalFlash]

Not really. Before the 90s Central Russia and Siberia had very few Armenians. I'm 27 and I remember the first Armenians in the place where I grew up.
The reason why Western Armenians all but left is pretty much understandable.
By the way, how much are the differences between Armenians from different countries felt in the US diaspora? From Armenia, Iran, Lebanon, etc.

Armenians from Iran and Lebanon generally have some tendencies or cultural aspects that theyve adopted from their host nations but the "base" that binds us is there. I view them as Armenians with some regional differences. Armenians from any ex USSR territory is generally more "familiar" for me.

Btw, many Armenians still living in Russia and former soviet territories trace their roots to western Armenia. Even in Armenia today they make up a sizable minority, although most Armenians from Armenia and Artsakh(Karabakh) are still natives.

[Livin]

As for Pontus and Armenia, they have had much to do with each other, and formed an alliance through marriage during the 1st Century BC. There has been camaraderie and brotherhood between the Pontic People and the Armenians:

"Mithridates . . . posed as the champion of Hellenism . . . Whatever his true intentions, the Greek cities (including Athens) defected to the side of Mithridates and welcomed his armies in mainland Greece, while his fleet besieged the Romans at Rhodes. Neighboring King of Armenia Tigranes the Great established an alliance with Mithridates and married one of Mithridates’ daughters, Cleopatra of Pontus. They would support each other in the coming conflict with Rome."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithridates_VI_of_Pontus

Yep,that’s true!

And many marriages between byzantines and armenians happened.There are also many emperors of byzantium with armenian ancestry!

[Anglojew]

Not true. This ancient Armenian only scores like this because it was an early Indo-European speaker. And especially not for the Levant, which was actually even more Red Sea/Arabian-like even during Canaanite times compared to today.

Modern Arabian populations are too mixed to determine this

[FinalFlash]

Modern Arabian populations are too mixed to determine this

This sample, in my humble opinion couldnt have belonged to some ancient "proto" Armenian. Not that I believe it anyway, but it would have essentially belonged to a minority group of invaders who probably didnt leave much of a dent in the native Armenian gene pool, if at all.

[Haider]

Modern Arabian populations are too mixed to determine this

Possibly only during Roman times would the Levant have been genetically more northern than today, but the population would have plotted at most with Cypriots. We still need Roman era samples to confirm this

[Armenian Bishop]

Armenians have literally been swamping Russia since the early 90s. I respect the Armenians and would take them over any sort of Islamic rats any day but the amount in Russia is just fucking huge. You can find them literally everywhere, even in Siberian towns but especially in the South as well as in Moscow, St. Petersburg, etc. The total number of Armenians in Russia probably exceeds 2 million. My problem is that they are too nationalist to assimilate quickly and simply too numerous. It's bad for them too anyway, since they intebreed, lose their language, culture, etc.

Armenian immigration to Russia increased dramatically with the Pogroms in Azerbaijan (1988 - 1990), the Karabakh War (1988-1994), and Armenia's landlocked economic struggle (blockaded by hostile Turkey and Azerbaijan), since the days of the Karabakh War. The ethnic cleansing in Azerbaijan resulted in a flood of Armenian refugees who were fleeing for their lives, while the economic distress in Armenia created economically minded immigrants. Some of the Armenian immigrant workers in Russia retain their Armenian citizenship, but have to find employment in Russia to sustain their families.

[Mr. Anybody]

Armenians have been genetic isolates for 4,000 years. We haven't "mixed" with anyone to any meaningful degree.

:laugh::rotfl::rotfl:

[Lauχum]

People should keep in mind that:
-GEDmatch is extremely unreliable for analysing ancient samples, especially low coverage samples such as these
-All of the Armenian samples plotted firmly in West Asia in Allentoft et al's PCA.
-Replicating that PCA, you can see again they're plotting firmly in West Asia:
https://i.imgur.com/DtO65dw.png
-These populations probably aren't representative of the ancient Armenians, who lived half a Millennium later and further south of where these samples are from (Meaning they had strong interaction with Mesopotamia and the Levant)
-SSA and Mongol ancestry in the middle east/West Asia is greatly overstated, probably due to various ethnic and political agendas.

"distance%=1.6833"
Armenian
Armenia_EBA,55.2
Anatolia_EBA,25.2
Levant_BA_North,18.6
Yamnaya_Samara,1
Mongola,0
Yoruba,0

"distance%=2.6913"
Assyrian
Levant_BA_North,51.2
Armenia_MLBA,48.8
Yoruba,0
BedouinB,0

"distance%=1.9682"
Lebanese_Christian
Levant_BA_North,81.2
Armenia_MLBA,18.8
BedouinB,0
Yoruba,0

"distance%=2.0015"
Lebanese_Muslim
Levant_BA_North,68
Armenia_MLBA,30
Yoruba,1.4
BedouinB,0.6

"distance%=2.1273"
Samaritan
Levant_BA_North,95.8
Armenia_MLBA,4.2
BedouinB,0
Yoruba,0

"distance%=2.2191"
Palestinian
Levant_BA_South,68.4
Armenia_MLBA,27
Yoruba,4.6
BedouinB,0

I'll redo runs of Yemeites, Saudis and Bedouins as well in a sec, even they don't score above 4% SSA.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

GEDmatch kits from ancient Armenia (I excluded shitty quality samples):

I1634, Armenia CA (4330–4060 BC), M734029
1 Baku_WGA + Dargin_Urkarah + Georgian_Svan + Sardinian @ 2.258847

I1631, Armenia CA (4250–4050 BC), M926386
1 Dargin_Urkarah + Greek_Smyrna + Italian_Bergamo + Kakheti @ 2.021467

I1632, Armenia CA (4230–4000 BC), M162111
1 Assyrian_Iraqi + Azeri_Dagestan + Kakheti + Sardinian @ 2.358688

I1407, Armenia CA (4350–3700 BC), M417230
1 Abkhasian + Azeri_Dagestan + Kurd + Sardinian @ 4.528995

I1658, Armenia EBA (3347–3092 BC), M536324
1 Armenian + Georgian + Georgian + Kurd @ 5.414954

I1635, Armenia EBA (2619–2465 BC), M340653
1 Armenian + Kakheti + Kurd + Kurd @ 5.618199

I1633, Armenia EBA (2619–2410 BC), M731608
1 Azeri_Dagestan + Georgian + Kakheti + Kurd @ 5.862767

RISE423, Armenia MBA (1402–1211 BC), M930063
1 Georgian_Jew + Kabardin + Tabassaran + Tabassaran @ 3.223544

I1656, Armenia MLBA (1501–1402 BC), M182163
1 Azeri_Dagestan + Dargin_Urkarah + Greek_Smyrna + Kurd @ 5.455067

[Lauχum]

Modelling with Dinka (East African) and Yoruba (West African) as SSA proxies:

"distance%=3.8881"
Saudi
Levant_BA_South,69.2
Natufian,23.6
Ganj_Dareh_N,5.8
Dinka,1.4

"distance%=3.8553"
Saudi
Levant_BA_South,66.4
Natufian,25.8
Ganj_Dareh_N,6.6
Yoruba,1.2

"distance%=3.5062"
BedouinB
Levant_BA_South,65.4
Natufian,26.6
Ganj_Dareh_N,5.8
Dinka,2.2

"distance%=3.5019"
BedouinB
Levant_BA_South,65.8
Natufian,26.6
Ganj_Dareh_N,5.4
Yoruba,2.2

"distance%=2.9036"
Yemenite_Al_Bayda
Levant_BA_South,66.6
Natufian,22.2
Ganj_Dareh_N,7.6
Dinka,3.6

"distance%=3.0223"
Yemenite_Al_Bayda
Levant_BA_South,63
Natufian,25.4
Ganj_Dareh_N,8.8
Yoruba,2.8

"distance%=3.4656"
Yemenite_Al_Jawf
Levant_BA_South,67.2
Natufian,25.2
Ganj_Dareh_N,6
Dinka,1.6

"distance%=3.6128"
Yemenite_Al_Jawf
Levant_BA_South,72.4
Natufian,22
Ganj_Dareh_N,4
Yoruba,1.6

"distance%=2.2356"
Yemenite_Amran
Levant_BA_South,75.2
Natufian,13.4
Ganj_Dareh_N,8
Dinka,3.4

"distance%=2.3887"
Yemenite_Amran
Levant_BA_South,73
Natufian,15.6
Ganj_Dareh_N,8.6
Yoruba,2.8

"distance%=2.3284"
Yemenite_Dhamar
Levant_BA_South,65.4
Natufian,23
Ganj_Dareh_N,7.6
Dinka,4

"distance%=2.5789"
Yemenite_Dhamar
Levant_BA_South,66.8
Natufian,22.8
Ganj_Dareh_N,6.8
Yoruba,3.6

"distance%=3.3835"
Yemenite_Jew
Levant_BA_South,75.2
Natufian,18
Ganj_Dareh_N,4.8
Dinka,2

"distance%=3.3899"
Yemenite_Jew
Levant_BA_South,71.8
Natufian,20.8
Ganj_Dareh_N,6
Yoruba,1.4

"distance%=3.077"
Yemenite_Ma'rib
Levant_BA_South,72.2
Natufian,20.2
Ganj_Dareh_N,4.8
Dinka,2.8

"distance%=3.1756"
Yemenite_Ma'rib
Levant_BA_South,69
Natufian,23.2
Ganj_Dareh_N,5.8
Yoruba,2

"distance%=3.6358"
Yemenite_Mahra
Levant_BA_South,60.2
Natufian,33.2
Ganj_Dareh_N,6.6
Dinka,0

"distance%=3.7029"
Yemenite_Mahra
Levant_BA_South,63
Natufian,31.6
Ganj_Dareh_N,5.4
Yoruba,0

[Lauχum]

Only BedouinA (Palestinian Bedouins IIRC), scores above 5% SSA out of all the West Asian samples, and only BedouinA and Palestinians score more than 4%.

"distance%=2.2482"
BedouinA
Levant_BA_South,72.4
Armenia_MLBA,20
Yoruba,7.6

"distance%=1.8807"
BedouinA
Levant_BA_South,52.4
Armenia_MLBA,28.4
Natufian,12.4
Yoruba,6.8

[Jana]

Only BedouinA (Palestinian Bedouins IIRC), scores above 5% SSA out of all the West Asian samples, and only BedouinA and Palestinians score more than 4%.

"distance%=2.2482"
BedouinA
Levant_BA_South,72.4
Armenia_MLBA,20
Yoruba,7.6

"distance%=1.8807"
BedouinA
Levant_BA_South,52.4
Armenia_MLBA,28.4
Natufian,12.4
Yoruba,6.8

Some Palestinians like those in Gaza Strip have recent Egyptian ancestry , might explain elevated SSA.

[Aren]

Ethnic chauvinism is so cringy. The Steppe hypothesis for dispersal of all living Indo-European languages today is supported by the vast majority of linguistics and geneticists. Most linguistics agree on that Proto-Indo-European must have been spoken in the vicinity of Proto-Uralic. Good luck trying to place Proto-Uralic anywhere south of the Caucasus.
This correlates very well with auDNA aswell. The only thing connecting India with Ireland today is Steppe DNA. It's been game over since we got the Steppe admixed Mycenaeans and Vedic Indo-Aryans btw.

Armenian diverged from Greek and entered Anatolia and spread to the Armenian Highlands by the Late Bronze Age. Obviously the Early Armenians were so mixed with the locals that they would've had very low Steppe input already before entering Anatolia.

[MEDACHE]

Ethnic chauvinism is so cringy. The Steppe hypothesis for dispersal of all living Indo-European languages today is supported by the vast majority of linguistics and geneticists. Most linguistics agree on that Proto-Indo-European must have been spoken in the vicinity of Proto-Uralic. Good luck trying to place Proto-Uralic anywhere south of the Caucasus.
This is correlates very well with auDNA aswell. The only thing connecting India with Ireland today is Steppe DNA. It's been game over since we got the Steppe admixed Mycenaeans and Vedic Indo-Aryans btw.

Armenian diverged from Greek and entered Anatolia and spread to the Armenian Highlands by the Late Bronze Age. Obviously the Early Armenians were so mixed with the locals that they would've had very low Steppe input already before entering Anatolia.

the idea of a group of goat herders spreading languages like sexually transmitted diseases is rather romantic

[Aren]

the idea of a group of goat herders spreading languages like sexually transmitted diseases is rather romantic

Fantastic horseback riders being so alpha that every foreign women they encounter wants to breed with them.
Nah but I agree to some extent they were not particularly special other than being highly mobile. They became civilized by mixing and adapting the cultures of the pre-IE people of Europe and Asia, such as the Minoans, BMAC and Indus-Valley people.

[MEDACHE]

Fantastic horseback riders being so alpha that every foreign women they encounter wants to breed with them.
Nah but I agree to some extent they were not particularly special other than being highly mobile. They became civilized by mixing and adapting the cultures of the pre-IE people of Europe and Asia, such as the Minoans, BMAC and Indus-Valley people.

steppe horsemen

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/images/2017/05/Screen-Shot-2017-05-26-at-16.15.44.jpg


neolithic horsemen

https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1522014518i/25274253.jpg

[MEDACHE]

actually i wonder if europeans bred with gypsies and gypsies somehow vanished... lets say from brown fever.. if it would be hypothesized that the indian dna found in europeans was from noble superior language bearing south asians.

[indo-uralopean]

We know Basque were North Caucasians. They moved down the Caucasus through Africa into Iberia/Spain or maybe through Anatolia to Spain.

Their language is also agglutinative.

[Rgvgjhvv]

He clearly has a chip on his shoulder. Don't even bother with this clown. At the very least we have a home to return to while this "Greek" lives away from his real homeland. He is obviously projecting when he says that we are "traitors" for leaving Armenia(which I was 1 when my parents emigrated btw), because he knows deep down, in his core that he isnt even a real Greek but an imposter living in foreign territory. Kid must suffer from an identity crisis and seems like he's always stressed out judging by the nature of his posts.

Don't clump us all together mate haha. Tears

[Armenian Bishop]

Don't clump us all together mate haha. Tears

I don't know, which of them do you see as lumping together?

Livin did a pathetic example of lumping the Armenian Diaspora together, without any appreciation of the complexity of the situation. I shouldn't have removed the downvote I gave him for chimping out about it, because he was a jerk about bundling diaspora people together indiscriminately.

[Rgvgjhvv]

I don't know, which of them "lumped . . . together"? Livin did a pathetic example of lumping the Armenian Diaspora together, without any appreciation of the complexity of the situation. I shouldn't have removed the downvote I gave him for chimping out about it, because he was a jerk about bundling diaspora people together indiscriminately.

Yes yes I know it got out of hand lol

[Armenian Bishop]

Yes yes I know it got out of hand lol

Actually, I honestly didn't understand what you meant. But, I think it's understood better now, after I looked at it again.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Actually, I honestly didn't understand what you meant. But, I think it's understood better now, after I looked at it again.

Attacks were made between a Greek member and an Armenian member, but then turned into a Greek vs Armenian thing which is ridiculous lol. I've never known a Greek that had anything bad to say about Armenians.

[Armenian Bishop]

Attacks were made between a Greek member and an Armenian member, but then turned into a Greek vs Armenian thing which is ridiculous lol. I've never known a Greek that had anything bad to say about Armenians.

Yea, that's what happened. I think both of them are better than that. We should arrange for them to diplomatically meet over coffee, brewed in a traditional copper kettle, with baklava and halvah. :coffee:

[Rgvgjhvv]

Yea, that's what happened. I think both of them are better than that. We should arrange for them to diplomatically meet over coffee, brewed in a traditional copper kettle, with baklava and halvah. :coffee:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AChtbSx13rI/maxresdefault.jpg

[Anglojew]

Possibly only during Roman times would the Levant have been genetically more northern than today, but the population would have plotted at most with Cypriots. We still need Roman era samples to confirm this

Earlier. Besides the fact Northern Semitic peoples were fairer then today there were also many IE peoples in the region including Hittites, Medes, Persians and Scythians

[Armenian Bishop]

I found this lengthy article about Bronze Age Armenians, published in October, 2015. It claims that Armenians were largely isolated after the 12th Century BC, at roughly the same time as the Homeric Trojan War.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2015206

It also determined that present day Armenians overlap significantly with Neolithic Europeans: "Armenians have higher genetic affinity to Neolithic Europeans than other present-day Near Easterners, and that 29% of Armenian ancestry may originate from an ancestral population that is best represented by Neolithic Europeans."

[FilhoV]

I found this lengthy article about Bronze Age Armenians, published in October, 2015. It claims that Armenians were largely isolated after the 12th Century BC, at roughly the same time as the Homeric Trojan War.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2015206

Interesting my Y-DNA is prevelant in Armenia my subclade isn’t though but higest in Sardinia

It also determined that present day Armenians overlap significantly with Neolithic Europeans: "Armenians have higher genetic affinity to Neolithic Europeans than other present-day Near Easterners, and that 29% of Armenian ancestry may originate from an ancestral population that is best represented by Neolithic Europeans."

[FilhoV]

I found this lengthy article about Bronze Age Armenians, published in October, 2015. It claims that Armenians were largely isolated after the 12th Century BC, at roughly the same time as the Homeric Trojan War.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2015206



It also determined that present day Armenians overlap significantly with Neolithic Europeans: "Armenians have higher genetic affinity to Neolithic Europeans than other present-day Near Easterners, and that 29% of Armenian ancestry may originate from an ancestral population that is best represented by Neolithic Europeans."

Interesting my Y-DNA is prevelant in Armenia my subclade isn’t though but higest in Sardinia