Saudi Arabian Gedmatch

[FilhoV]

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit F271582

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 40.98
2 Red_Sea 38.59
3 Northeast_African 8.1
4 West_Med 5.06
5 West_Asian 4.64
6 South_Asian 2.21
7 Oceanian 0.26
8 East_Asian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Saudi 7.76
2 Yemenite_Jewish 13.97
3 Bedouin 19.62
4 Egyptian 21.62
5 Palestinian 24.68
6 Jordanian 26.13
7 Samaritan 29.05
8 Syrian 29.43
9 Lebanese_Christian 31.26
10 Libyan_Jewish 31.34
11 Tunisian_Jewish 32.1
12 Tunisian 32.44
13 Lebanese_Muslim 32.54
14 Algerian 32.88
15 Moroccan 33.19
16 Lebanese_Druze 33.33
17 Mozabite_Berber 34.87
18 Sephardic_Jewish 35.58
19 Kurdish_Jewish 35.75
20 Cyprian 35.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.8% Saudi + 9.2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 6.19
2 90.5% Saudi + 9.5% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 6.19
3 93% Saudi + 7% Somali @ 6.33
4 93.2% Saudi + 6.8% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 6.51
5 93.8% Saudi + 6.2% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 6.55
6 95.8% Saudi + 4.2% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 6.86
7 96% Saudi + 4% Maasai @ 7.16
8 96.8% Saudi + 3.2% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 7.17
9 96.9% Saudi + 3.1% Hadza @ 7.3
10 97.3% Saudi + 2.7% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 7.35
11 97.5% Saudi + 2.5% Sudanese @ 7.42
12 97% Saudi + 3% Sandawe @ 7.42
13 98.6% Saudi + 1.4% San @ 7.65
14 99.1% Saudi + 0.9% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 7.71
15 98.3% Saudi + 1.7% Moroccan @ 7.74
16 99.5% Saudi + 0.5% Bantu_N.E. @ 7.74
17 99.5% Saudi + 0.5% Luhya @ 7.74
18 99.7% Saudi + 0.3% Biaka_Pygmy @ 7.76
19 99.8% Saudi + 0.2% Mozabite_Berber @ 7.76
20 99.9% Saudi + 0.1%

[Babak]

Normal result. Native+SSA is rather typical for saudis

[Kamal900]

Normal result. Native+SSA is rather typical for saudis

Yup. His red sea genetic component is sexy as fuck. I'm only 12% red sea.

[ModernMaskil]

Yup. His red sea genetic component is sexy as fuck. I'm only 12% red sea.

On the other hand that West Asian component is almost non-existent.

[Leto]

This one is better


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit T443635

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 42.7
2 Red_Sea 35.59
3 West_Asian 8.92
4 West_Med 6.13
5 Northeast_African 4.5
6 South_Asian 1.41
7 Oceanian 0.74
8 East_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Saudi 1.9
2 Yemenite_Jewish 10.97
3 Bedouin 15.92
4 Egyptian 20.06
5 Palestinian 20.27
6 Jordanian 22.13
7 Samaritan 24.19
8 Syrian 24.88
9 Lebanese_Christian 26.1
10 Lebanese_Muslim 27.81
11 Libyan_Jewish 28.06
12 Lebanese_Druze 28.27
13 Tunisian_Jewish 28.53
14 Kurdish_Jewish 30.56
15 Iranian_Jewish 30.86
16 Cyprian 31.14
17 Tunisian 31.53
18 Sephardic_Jewish 31.94
19 Algerian 32.36
20 Algerian_Jewish 32.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99.2% Saudi + 0.8% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.86
2 99.2% Saudi + 0.8% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.86
3 99.7% Saudi + 0.3% Papuan @ 1.86
4 99.5% Saudi + 0.5% Somali @ 1.87
5 99.6% Saudi + 0.4% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.88
6 99.6% Saudi + 0.4% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 1.88
7 99.8% Saudi + 0.2% NAN_Melanesian @ 1.89
8 99.9% Saudi + 0.1% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 1.9
9 100% Saudi + 0% Maasai @ 1.9
10 100% Saudi + 0% Abhkasian @ 1.9
11 100% Saudi + 0% Adygei @ 1.9
12 100% Saudi + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 1.9
13 100% Saudi + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 1.9
14 100% Saudi + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 1.9
15 100% Saudi + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 1.9
16 100% Saudi + 0% Algerian @ 1.9
17 100% Saudi + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.9
18 100% Saudi + 0% Altaian @ 1.9
19 100% Saudi + 0% Armenian @ 1.9
20 100% Saudi + 0% Ashkenazi @ 1.9


Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Kit T443635

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Southwest_Asian 47.27
2 Caucasus 31.4
3 Atlantic_Med 6.24
4 Gedrosia 5.38
5 East_African 4.38
6 Northwest_African 3.97
7 South_Asian 1.16
8 Southeast_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bedouin (HGDP) 5.26
2 Yemen_Jews (Behar) 8.48
3 Yemenese (Behar) 16.38
4 Palestinian (HGDP) 17.89
5 Jordanians (Behar) 20.33
6 Egyptans (Behar) 20.92
7 Syrians (Behar) 21.21
8 Samaritians (Behar) 21.99
9 Saudis (Behar) 22.21
10 Lebanese (Behar) 25.56
11 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 28.46
12 Druze (HGDP) 28.97
13 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 31.29
14 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 33.56
15 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 34.9
16 Assyrian (Dodecad) 35.3
17 Cypriots (Behar) 35.43
18 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 35.59
19 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 36.09
20 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 36.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.5% Palestinian (HGDP) + 44.5% Saudis (Behar) @ 2.24
2 52.3% Jordanians (Behar) + 47.7% Saudis (Behar) @ 2.96
3 64.7% Bedouin (HGDP) + 35.3% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 2.98
4 89.4% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 10.6% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.25
5 89.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 10.1% Balochi (HGDP) @ 3.28
6 89% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 11% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.29
7 90% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 10% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 3.4
8 83.7% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 16.3% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.43
9 89.5% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 10.5% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.45
10 84.7% Bedouin (HGDP) + 15.3% Saudis (Behar) @ 3.45
11 90% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 10% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.46
12 90.6% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 9.4% Brahui (HGDP) @ 3.52
13 87.7% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 12.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.52
14 85.8% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 14.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.6
15 53.6% Saudis (Behar) + 46.4% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.77
16 56.8% Saudis (Behar) + 43.2% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.92
17 84.5% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 15.5% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 4
18 84.1% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 15.9% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 4.02
19 73.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 26.1% Syrians (Behar) @ 4.27
20 73.1% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 26.9% Jordanians (Behar) @ 4.28

[Babak]

On the other hand that West Asian component is almost non-existent.Yea but original arabs didnt have ssa. Saudis arent really a good example of what the original arabs were.

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[ModernMaskil]

Yea but original arabs didnt have ssa. Saudis arent really a good example of what the original arabs were.

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No, but they were (assuming we're speaking about Arabian "Arabs" here) much darker than the rest of the ME, or at least that is what's presumed. But yeah agreed, modern day Arabians are as good an example of original Arabs as I am of Levantines.

[FilhoV]

I find these kits on various Facebook groups

[FilhoV]

This one is better

So southwest Asian is basically Saudi ?

[Leto]

So southwest Asian is basically Saudi ?
Well, that component peaks in Arabia.

[Haider]

Normal result. Native+SSA is rather typical for saudis

As you can see in the above results, they score no SSA, which is typical for Saudis. Northeast African yes, SSA no.

[Hadouken]

As you can see in the above results, they score no SSA, which is typical for Saudis. Northeast African yes, SSA no.

northeast african component peaks in ssa people from the east though

[Mingle]

Yea but original arabs didnt have ssa. Saudis arent really a good example of what the original arabs were.

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I highly doubt that the original Arabs didn't have East African (keep in mind the Saudi in the OP scored East African not proper SSA). East Africans and Arabians have had contact since ancient times. The Kingdom of Axum extended into Arabia and South Semitic languages went from Arabia to Ethiopia. It doesn't take much skill to swim from East Africa to Arabia and vice versa. Just look at how close they are:

https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/yemen_trans-2012.jpg

Its unrealistic for them not to have mixed in ancient times to any degree whatsoever. Even the pre-Arabic people of the Arabian Peninsula likely had significant East African blood. Peninsulars also may have gotten some SSA or East African blood from mixing with the Egyptians and Levantines (with the latter themselves likely getting some SSA or EA from Egyptians). Saudis, being very tribalistic and not mixing much with foreigners, are probably a good representation of the original Arabs. Not saying they're gonna be identical to the Proto-Arabs though.

[Haider]

northeast african component peaks in ssa people from the east though


But it's not proper SSA and it's ancient, since the Natufians also had it. Even Iranians score around 2% of actual SSA, but Saudis don't.

[Babak]

I highly doubt that the original Arabs didn't have East African (keep in mind the Saudi in the OP scored East African not proper SSA). East Africans and Arabians have had contact since ancient times. The Kingdom of Axum extended into Arabia and South Semitic languages went from Arabia to Ethiopia. It doesn't take much skill to swim from East Africa to Arabia and vice versa. Just look at how close they are:

https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/yemen_trans-2012.jpg

Its unrealistic for them not to have mixed in ancient times to any degree whatsoever. Even the pre-Arabic people of the Arabian Peninsula likely had significant East African blood. Peninsulars also may have gotten some SSA or East African blood from mixing with the Egyptians and Levantines (with the latter themselves likely getting some SSA or EA from Egyptians). Saudis, being very tribalistic and not mixing much with foreigners, are probably a good representation of the original Arabs. Not saying they're gonna be identical to the Proto-Arabs though.Talking about proto arabs dawg, not ancient arabs.

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[Hadouken]

But it's not proper SSA and it's ancient, since the Natufians also had it. Even Iranians score around 2% of actual SSA, but Saudis don't.

it is proper ssa I think . just look at the peoples where it peaks lol . they blaq as fuq

btw. there are so many saudi people . there is for sure variance and I can imagine some scoring a lot more ssa . there needs to be more testings done

[Mingle]

Talking about proto arabs dawg

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South Arabian languages came from Asia to Africa around 3,000 years ago. There's been contact between the two since pre-historic times due to how close East Africa is to Arabia. As Haider said, Natufians (Paleo-Levantines) even had East African. So Proto-Arabs also probably had some East African.

[Kamal900]

Talking about proto arabs dawg

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Proto-Arabs originally came from between North-West Arabia and the Southern Levant, not from Southern Arabia:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259032-How-did-the-Arabic-identity-came-to-be-by-Ahmad-al-Jallad

[Babak]

Proto-Arabs originally came from between North-West Arabia and the Southern Levant, not from Southern Arabia:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259032-How-did-the-Arabic-identity-came-to-be-by-Ahmad-al-JalladYea dude

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[Babak]

But it's not proper SSA and it's ancient, since the Natufians also had it. Even Iranians score around 2% of actual SSA, but Saudis don't.

Those Iranians who score substantial SSA are mostly from the south part of the country.

[StonyArabia]

Yea but original arabs didnt have ssa. Saudis arent really a good example of what the original arabs were.

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They did actually. Even Nabatean samples showed minor SSA. Most of it being East African however

[Bosniensis]

# Population (source) Distance
1 Saudi 7.76
2 Yemenite_Jewish 13.97
3 Bedouin 19.62
4 Egyptian 21.62
5 Palestinian 24.68
6 Jordanian 26.13
7 Samaritan 29.05
8 Syrian 29.43
9 Lebanese_Christian 31.26
10 Libyan_Jewish 31.34
11 Tunisian_Jewish 32.1
12 Tunisian 32.44
13 Lebanese_Muslim 32.54
14 Algerian 32.88
15 Moroccan 33.19
16 Lebanese_Druze 33.33
17 Mozabite_Berber 34.87
18 Sephardic_Jewish 35.58
19 Kurdish_Jewish 35.75
20 Cyprian 35.83


These results tell us how Syrians, Egyptians etc.. ARE NOT Arabs.

[StonyArabia]

No, but they were (assuming we're speaking about Arabian "Arabs" here) much darker than the rest of the ME, or at least that is what's presumed. But yeah agreed, modern day Arabians are as good an example of original Arabs as I am of Levantines.

No unlike Ashkenazim who have changed from their original Levantine base. In fact for the most part we did not. The Nabatean samples were identical to Saudis. There might have been more of a recent gene flow from other areas but it's very rare.

[Babak]

# Population (source) Distance
1 Saudi 7.76
2 Yemenite_Jewish 13.97
3 Bedouin 19.62
4 Egyptian 21.62
5 Palestinian 24.68
6 Jordanian 26.13
7 Samaritan 29.05
8 Syrian 29.43
9 Lebanese_Christian 31.26
10 Libyan_Jewish 31.34
11 Tunisian_Jewish 32.1
12 Tunisian 32.44
13 Lebanese_Muslim 32.54
14 Algerian 32.88
15 Moroccan 33.19
16 Lebanese_Druze 33.33
17 Mozabite_Berber 34.87
18 Sephardic_Jewish 35.58
19 Kurdish_Jewish 35.75
20 Cyprian 35.83


These results tell us how Syrians, Egyptians etc.. ARE NOT Arabs.


But they're still semites. The same concept applies with Tajiks being associated with the Persians of Iran. Even though many tajiks refer themselves as Persians, they still aren't persians. Same applies to Levantines and Egyptians.

[Mingle]

These results tell us how Syrians, Egyptians etc.. ARE NOT Arabs.

Bedouins aren't as far from Syrians, etc.

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[StonyArabia]

Proto-Arabs originally came from between North-West Arabia and the Southern Levant, not from Southern Arabia:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259032-How-did-the-Arabic-identity-came-to-be-by-Ahmad-al-Jallad

Possibly but I doubt it. I believe the Semitic people originated in the Arabian peninsula before migrating out.

This British explorer/diplomat said this :

"The original inhabitants of Arabia [Middle East]…were not the familiar Arabs of our time but a very much darker people. A proto-negroid belt of mankind stretched across the ancient world from Africa to Malaya. This belt…(gave) rise to the Hamitic peoples of Africa, to the Dravidian peoples of India, and to and intermediate dark people inhabiting the Arabian peninsula. In the course of time two migrations of fair-skinned peoples came from the north…to break through and transform the dark belt of man beyond India (and) to drive a wedge between India and Africa...The more virile invaders overcame the dark-skinned peoples, absorbing most of them, driving others southwards (Africa)…The cultural condition of the new comers is unknown. It is unlikely that they were more than wild hordes of adventurous hunters." Betram Thomas, The Arabs - The Life Story of a People Who Have Left Their Deep Impress on the World

This is doubtful though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertram_Thomas

[Babak]

Possibly but I doubt it. I believe the Semitic people originated in the Arabian peninsula before migrating out.

This British explorer/diplomat said this :

"The original inhabitants of Arabia [Middle East]…were not the familiar Arabs of our time but a very much darker people. A proto-negroid belt of mankind stretched across the ancient world from Africa to Malaya. This belt…(gave) rise to the Hamitic peoples of Africa, to the Dravidian peoples of India, and to and intermediate dark people inhabiting the Arabian peninsula. In the course of time two migrations of fair-skinned peoples came from the north…to break through and transform the dark belt of man beyond India (and) to drive a wedge between India and Africa...The more virile invaders overcame the dark-skinned peoples, absorbing most of them, driving others southwards (Africa)…The cultural condition of the new comers is unknown. It is unlikely that they were more than wild hordes of adventurous hunters." Betram Thomas, The Arabs - The Life Story of a People Who Have Left Their Deep Impress on the World

This is doubtful though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertram_Thomas

Naw, I don't think so dude.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hg02z3OarGo/T4BpTtIisQI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/SKY2Wyz3x9c/s1600/semitic.jpg

[Bosniensis]

But they're still semites. The same concept applies with Tajiks being associated with the Persians of Iran. Even though many tajiks refer themselves as Persians, they still aren't persians. Same applies to Levantines and Egyptians.

Egyptians are Hamitic people LOL

Semites are only those descended from Shem

Syrians are Japhetic people just like Romans

Even Romans came from Syria several thousand years ago.

Germanic people are Indo-European (Caucasians)

[Babak]

Egyptians are Hamitic people LOL

Semites are only those descended from Shem

Syrians are Japhetic people just like Romans

Even Romans came from Syria several thousand years ago.

Germanic people are Indo-European (Caucasians)

Semites, as in, they speak a Semitic language. In this case, its arabic.

[ModernMaskil]

No unlike Ashkenazim who have changed from their original Levantine base. In fact for the most part we did not. The Nabatean samples were identical to Saudis. There might have been more of a recent gene flow from other areas but it's very rare.

What Nabatean samples? Can you link me to these studies? I'm fairly sure that Arabians were without a doubt different before the slave trade and have changed from their "original base".

[Peterski]

What Nabatean samples? Can you link me to these studies? I'm fairly sure that Arabians were without a doubt different before the slave trade and have changed from their "original base".

Are Poles still the same as in 1000 AD or have we changed in your opinion?

[Mingle]

What Nabatean samples? Can you link me to these studies? I'm fairly sure that Arabians were without a doubt different before the slave trade and have changed from their "original base".

There's a huge genetic difference between Saudis (sedentary Arabs from KSA) and Bedouins (nomadic Arabs). Just look at how this person gets Bedouins at a distance of 19. Beoduins probably mixed with Black slaves whereas Saudis didn't (or barely did).

[Babak]

There's a huge genetic difference between Saudis (sedentary Arabs from KSA) and Bedouins (nomadic Arabs). Just look at how this person gets Bedouins at a distance of 19. Beoduins probably mixed with Black slaves whereas Saudis didn't (or barely did).According to our buddy ol pal naba, its only bedouins that are true arabs.

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[Haider]

What Nabatean samples? Can you link me to these studies? I'm fairly sure that Arabians were without a doubt different before the slave trade and have changed from their "original base".

Yemenis yes, Saudis no.

[StonyArabia]

What Nabatean samples? Can you link me to these studies? I'm fairly sure that Arabians were without a doubt different before the slave trade and have changed from their "original base".

The slave trade did not have much influence, it has been exaggerated for political reasons. Plus there has always been SSA-Arabian intermixing even before the stone age because the areas close to each other. However it was more Arabian admixture in the East of Africa, and there is SSA/East African in Arabians. In Arabians it's quite ancient, even Ashkenazim have some SSA mostly East African which often does not go well with the Khazar theory.

We are the same as before, the British explorer and anthropologist even believe or think that the inhabitants of Arabia were a dark skinned race originally before being subdued by a lighter skinned outside race, but even that's doubtful. We are dark because we live in a Desert climate, nothing strange about it.

I posted a long time ago, once I find it I will link it.

[StonyArabia]

Yemenis yes, Saudis no.

Not all Yemenis dude

[Babak]

The slave trade did not have much influence, it has been exaggerated for political reasons. Plus there has always been SSA-Arabian intermixing even before the stone age because the areas close to each other. However it was more Arabian admixture in the East of Africa, and there is SSA/East African in Arabians. In Arabians it's quite ancient, even Ashkenazim have some SSA mostly East African which often does not go well with the Khazar theory.

We are the same as before, the British explorer and anthropologist even believe or think that the inhabitants of Arabia were a dark skinned race originally before being subdued by a lighter skinned outside race, but even that's doubtful. We are dark because we live in a Desert climate, nothing strange about it.

I posted a long time ago, once I find it I will link it. ..

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[FinalFlash]

The slave trade did not have much influence, it has been exaggerated for political reasons. Plus there has always been SSA-Arabian intermixing even before the stone age because the areas close to each other. However it was more Arabian admixture in the East of Africa, and there is SSA/East African in Arabians. In Arabians it's quite ancient, even Ashkenazim have some SSA mostly East African which often does not go well with the Khazar theory.

We are the same as before, the British explorer and anthropologist even believe or think that the inhabitants of Arabia were a dark skinned race originally before being subdued by a lighter skinned outside race, but even that's doubtful. We are dark because we live in a Desert climate, nothing strange about it.

I posted a long time ago, once I find it I will link it.

What's the difference between Saudis, Bedouins, Yemenis and other gulfers? I always assumed theyd have their own cluster but these tests show some disparity among them.

[Mingle]

But it's not proper SSA and it's ancient, since the Natufians also had it. Even Iranians score around 2% of actual SSA, but Saudis don't.Can you give a link on the Natufians having SSA?

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[Mingle]

Not all Yemenis dudeMehris are the western-most Yemenis and they look much more African-influenced than Saudis.

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[StonyArabia]

Mehris are the western-most Yemenis and they look much more African-influenced than Saudis.

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Like I said some Yemenis not all. Yemenite highlanders are very much identical to Saudis actually genetically.

[StonyArabia]

What's the difference between Saudis, Bedouins, Yemenis and other gulfers? I always assumed theyd have their own cluster but these tests show some disparity among them.

Bedouins are nomadic tribes who usually inhabit the Desert regions in Syria, Iraq, Jordan, parts of Israel/Palestine and into parts of Egypt . Bedouins are very endogamous and don't generally intermix with outsiders, rarely do, but they have costume of adoption into tribe which occurs at times. However there are Afro-Bedouins who might skew the results. These Afros were slaves or clients who adopted Bedouin culture, but their not seen as true Bedouins. In Bedouin society you are divided into the Asli or noble tribes, these tribes like mine trace back their origins directly to the Arabian peninsula and often are camel herders and horse breeders by trade, the non-Asli Bedouin tribes are often sheep herders.

Saudis are mostly people who descent from Arabian tribes and they also for the most part endogamous, with the exception of few regions like the Hejaz which is melting pot of different Muslim cultures.

Yemenis are South Arabians, but they are diverse because it depends on their region, those from the interior and highlands are genetically close to Saudis and Bedouins.

Gulf Arabs might have some Indo-Iranian shift

They all share the same origin, with little difference that does not mean much. Saudis and Bedouins are still very close, Yemenis however do diverge but the Jewish ones don't really.

[Myanthropologies]

They have a 30 distance from Levantines, meaning they are super super far away.

[StonyArabia]

They have a 30 distance from Levantines, meaning they are super super far away.

Here is my gedmatch. I am not that far from Levantines, in fact I am more North than they are lol. I am half Bedouin

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.53
2 West_Asian 29.92
3 Red_Sea 10.75
4 West_Med 9.51
5 South_Asian 3.89
6 Baltic 2.33
7 Sub-Saharan 2.21
8 North_Atlantic 1.98
9 Northeast_African 1.41
10 Siberian 1.29
11 Oceanian 1.26
12 Amerindian 0.94

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 6.97
2 Georgian_Jewish 7.39
3 Iranian_Jewish 7.49
4 Kurdish_Jewish 7.51
5 Lebanese_Muslim 9.16
6 Syrian 9.38
7 Turkish 9.84
8 Armenian 10.54
9 Azeri 10.57
10 Iranian 11.95
11 Kurdish 12.43
12 Jordanian 13.75
13 Cyprian 14.86
14 Lebanese_Druze 15
15 Lebanese_Christian 15.28
16 Palestinian 15.7
17 Samaritan 15.98
18 Bedouin 18.02
19 Tunisian_Jewish 20.51
20 Libyan_Jewish 20.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.6% Syrian + 42.4% Kurdish @ 2.98
2 56.6% Syrian + 43.4% Iranian @ 3.14
3 57.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 42.6% Iranian @ 3.37
4 52.7% Kurdish + 47.3% Jordanian @ 3.56
5 59.7% Kurdish + 40.3% Bedouin @ 3.6
6 74.2% Syrian + 25.8% Abhkasian @ 3.63
7 57.8% Iranian + 42.2% Samaritan @ 3.68
8 56.3% Kurdish + 43.7% Palestinian @ 3.73
9 73.2% Syrian + 26.8% Georgian @ 3.88
10 53.6% Syrian + 46.4% Azeri @ 3.98
11 53.9% Iranian + 46.1% Jordanian @ 3.98
12 73.9% Georgian_Jewish + 26.1% Bedouin @ 4
13 58.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 41.2% Kurdish @ 4.04
14 62.1% Palestinian + 37.9% Abhkasian @ 4.04
15 79.7% Georgian_Jewish + 20.3% Egyptian @ 4.05
16 64.3% Armenian + 35.7% Bedouin @ 4.05
17 57.8% Georgian_Jewish + 42.2% Syrian @ 4.07
18 84.3% Georgian_Jewish + 15.7% Algerian @ 4.14
19 60.6% Palestinian + 39.4% Georgian @ 4.14
20 56.9% Kurdish + 43.1% Samaritan @ 4.16

[FinalFlash]

Here is my gedmatch. I am not that far from Levantines, in fact I am more North than they are lol. I am half Bedouin

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.53
2 West_Asian 29.92
3 Red_Sea 10.75
4 West_Med 9.51
5 South_Asian 3.89
6 Baltic 2.33
7 Sub-Saharan 2.21
8 North_Atlantic 1.98
9 Northeast_African 1.41
10 Siberian 1.29
11 Oceanian 1.26
12 Amerindian 0.94

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 6.97
2 Georgian_Jewish 7.39
3 Iranian_Jewish 7.49
4 Kurdish_Jewish 7.51
5 Lebanese_Muslim 9.16
6 Syrian 9.38
7 Turkish 9.84
8 Armenian 10.54
9 Azeri 10.57
10 Iranian 11.95
11 Kurdish 12.43
12 Jordanian 13.75
13 Cyprian 14.86
14 Lebanese_Druze 15
15 Lebanese_Christian 15.28
16 Palestinian 15.7
17 Samaritan 15.98
18 Bedouin 18.02
19 Tunisian_Jewish 20.51
20 Libyan_Jewish 20.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.6% Syrian + 42.4% Kurdish @ 2.98
2 56.6% Syrian + 43.4% Iranian @ 3.14
3 57.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 42.6% Iranian @ 3.37
4 52.7% Kurdish + 47.3% Jordanian @ 3.56
5 59.7% Kurdish + 40.3% Bedouin @ 3.6
6 74.2% Syrian + 25.8% Abhkasian @ 3.63
7 57.8% Iranian + 42.2% Samaritan @ 3.68
8 56.3% Kurdish + 43.7% Palestinian @ 3.73
9 73.2% Syrian + 26.8% Georgian @ 3.88
10 53.6% Syrian + 46.4% Azeri @ 3.98
11 53.9% Iranian + 46.1% Jordanian @ 3.98
12 73.9% Georgian_Jewish + 26.1% Bedouin @ 4
13 58.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 41.2% Kurdish @ 4.04
14 62.1% Palestinian + 37.9% Abhkasian @ 4.04
15 79.7% Georgian_Jewish + 20.3% Egyptian @ 4.05
16 64.3% Armenian + 35.7% Bedouin @ 4.05
17 57.8% Georgian_Jewish + 42.2% Syrian @ 4.07
18 84.3% Georgian_Jewish + 15.7% Algerian @ 4.14
19 60.6% Palestinian + 39.4% Georgian @ 4.14
20 56.9% Kurdish + 43.1% Samaritan @ 4.16

Your Adyghean influence is mighty strong here.

[Hadouken]

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.6% Syrian + 42.4% Kurdish @ 2.98


https://i.imgur.com/CBWylks.gif?noredirect

[StonyArabia]

Your Adyghean influence is mighty strong here.

Yes, but phenotypically I look nothing like them, but more to my maternal side. The culture that I grew up was very Bedouin. I also felt more comfortable among them. However McDonald does show it. I believe my Circassian side might be Anatolian/Turkish shifted though

Adygei 0.3006 Bedouin_Nor 0.3732 Armenian 0.3263 or
Bedouin_Nor 0.2714 Turkish 0.3814 Armenian 0.3472 or
Bedouin_Nor 0.3735 Iranian 0.3053 Georgian 0.3211 or
Adygei 0.4712 Jewish 0.0896 Bedouin_Nor 0.4392 or
Adygei 0.4567 Sephardic 0.1387 Bedouin_Nor 0.4046



https://i.imgur.com/CBWylks.gif?noredirect

Salute to the West Asian race

[Aren]

East African on Eurogenes is almost purely SSA, it's the SSA part of East Africans. Somalis as an example score little to no SSA on Eurogenes but 50-55% East African which matches well with the fact that Somalis are regarded almost 50-50 Caucasoid/Negroid.

Proto-Arabs originated in the Eastern Levant, around modern day Northern Jordan, where the oldest Arabic inscriptions are found and then spread south. Logically once we get Iron Age Arabic samples from this area it's pretty safe to say that they will come out close to the BA samples we have so far from Sidon, Lebanon and probably more so to the samples from Ain Ghazal, Jordan, who are quite distinct from modern day Sauids. Paternally speaking though Sauids and Bedouins are almost completely Arabian although they ptobably don't have much Arabian admixture.

[Haider]

Can you give a link on the Natufians having SSA?

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I didn't say Natufians scored proper SSA, but Northeast African. Which as we all know is very different from each other. Just like Saudis, who score some Northeast African, but zero SSA. Which means they've been very isolated since those times, since Saudis mostly descend from Natufians mixing with the native Arabian population.

Here's a Natufians result


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Red_Sea 38.34
2 East_Med 36.39
3 West_Med 19.79
4 Northeast_African 5.49

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Saudi 16.78
2 Yemenite_Jewish 21.62
3 Bedouin 22.12
4 Egyptian 23.37
5 Moroccan 26.55
6 Tunisian 27.4
7 Palestinian 27.58
8 Algerian 27.64
9 Jordanian 28.87
10 Mozabite_Berber 29.04
11 Samaritan 29.41
12 Libyan_Jewish 29.46
13 Tunisian_Jewish 30.33
14 Syrian 30.75
15 Lebanese_Christian 32.28
16 Algerian_Jewish 32.65
17 Sephardic_Jewish 33.18
18 Lebanese_Muslim 33.72
19 Italian_Jewish 34.08
20 Cyprian 34.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Saudi + 30.4% Moroccan @ 13.5
2 83.4% Saudi + 16.6% Sardinian @ 13.68
3 74.2% Saudi + 25.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 14.31
4 73.6% Saudi + 26.4% Algerian @ 14.5
5 74.3% Saudi + 25.7% Tunisian @ 14.76
6 90.9% Saudi + 9.1% French_Basque @ 15.48
7 90.3% Saudi + 9.7% Southwest_French @ 15.67
8 90.2% Saudi + 9.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.72
9 90.2% Saudi + 9.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 15.72
10 90.1% Saudi + 9.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 15.78
11 89.8% Saudi + 10.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 15.79
12 90.1% Saudi + 9.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 15.82
13 89.8% Saudi + 10.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 15.83
14 90.4% Saudi + 9.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 15.87
15 90.7% Saudi + 9.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 15.91
16 90.4% Saudi + 9.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 15.92
17 90.3% Saudi + 9.7% Portuguese @ 15.92
18 91.5% Saudi + 8.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.04
19 90.6% Saudi + 9.4% North_Italian @ 16.12
20 90.8% Saudi + 9.2% Tuscan @ 16.29

[Aren]

Lol @ Saudis not having recent African input. The distinctively Sub-Saharan African mtdna L is around 10% in modern Saudis. This haplogroup has not been found in a single ancient sample from the Middle East, nor in modern day West Asian Christians or Jews.

[happycow]

Here is my gedmatch. I am not that far from Levantines, in fact I am more North than they are lol. I am half Bedouin

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.53
2 West_Asian 29.92
3 Red_Sea 10.75
4 West_Med 9.51
5 South_Asian 3.89
6 Baltic 2.33
7 Sub-Saharan 2.21
8 North_Atlantic 1.98
9 Northeast_African 1.41
10 Siberian 1.29
11 Oceanian 1.26
12 Amerindian 0.94

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 6.97
2 Georgian_Jewish 7.39
3 Iranian_Jewish 7.49
4 Kurdish_Jewish 7.51
5 Lebanese_Muslim 9.16
6 Syrian 9.38
7 Turkish 9.84
8 Armenian 10.54
9 Azeri 10.57
10 Iranian 11.95
11 Kurdish 12.43
12 Jordanian 13.75
13 Cyprian 14.86
14 Lebanese_Druze 15
15 Lebanese_Christian 15.28
16 Palestinian 15.7
17 Samaritan 15.98
18 Bedouin 18.02
19 Tunisian_Jewish 20.51
20 Libyan_Jewish 20.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.6% Syrian + 42.4% Kurdish @ 2.98
2 56.6% Syrian + 43.4% Iranian @ 3.14
3 57.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 42.6% Iranian @ 3.37
4 52.7% Kurdish + 47.3% Jordanian @ 3.56
5 59.7% Kurdish + 40.3% Bedouin @ 3.6
6 74.2% Syrian + 25.8% Abhkasian @ 3.63
7 57.8% Iranian + 42.2% Samaritan @ 3.68
8 56.3% Kurdish + 43.7% Palestinian @ 3.73
9 73.2% Syrian + 26.8% Georgian @ 3.88
10 53.6% Syrian + 46.4% Azeri @ 3.98
11 53.9% Iranian + 46.1% Jordanian @ 3.98
12 73.9% Georgian_Jewish + 26.1% Bedouin @ 4
13 58.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 41.2% Kurdish @ 4.04
14 62.1% Palestinian + 37.9% Abhkasian @ 4.04
15 79.7% Georgian_Jewish + 20.3% Egyptian @ 4.05
16 64.3% Armenian + 35.7% Bedouin @ 4.05
17 57.8% Georgian_Jewish + 42.2% Syrian @ 4.07
18 84.3% Georgian_Jewish + 15.7% Algerian @ 4.14
19 60.6% Palestinian + 39.4% Georgian @ 4.14
20 56.9% Kurdish + 43.1% Samaritan @ 4.16

Genetically half bedouin but you get less Red Sea than I do. Pretty interesting.

[ModernMaskil]

The slave trade did not have much influence, it has been exaggerated for political reasons. Plus there has always been SSA-Arabian intermixing even before the stone age because the areas close to each other. However it was more Arabian admixture in the East of Africa, and there is SSA/East African in Arabians. In Arabians it's quite ancient, even Ashkenazim have some SSA mostly East African which often does not go well with the Khazar theory.

We are the same as before, the British explorer and anthropologist even believe or think that the inhabitants of Arabia were a dark skinned race originally before being subdued by a lighter skinned outside race, but even that's doubtful. We are dark because we live in a Desert climate, nothing strange about it.

I posted a long time ago, once I find it I will link it.

Thanks for the information. Honestly I think any talk about what Saudis specifically were like in the Stone age is mostly conjecture. There's been so much mixing and it was so long ago that it's not really relevant or possible to know.

[Leto]

East African on Eurogenes is almost purely SSA, it's the SSA part of East Africans. Somalis as an example score little to no SSA on Eurogenes but 50-55% East African which matches well with the fact that Somalis are regarded almost 50-50 Caucasoid/Negroid.

Proto-Arabs originated in the Eastern Levant, around modern day Northern Jordan, where the oldest Arabic inscriptions are found and then spread south. Logically once we get Iron Age Arabic samples from this area it's pretty safe to say that they will come out close to the BA samples we have so far from Sidon, Lebanon and probably more so to the samples from Ain Ghazal, Jordan, who are quite distinct from modern day Sauids. Paternally speaking though Sauids and Bedouins are almost completely Arabian although they ptobably don't have much Arabian admixture.
So the Gulf Arabs aren't the "real Arabs"? I've considered them to be the real ones, as opposed to the Arabized ones.

[Kamal900]

East African on Eurogenes is almost purely SSA, it's the SSA part of East Africans. Somalis as an example score little to no SSA on Eurogenes but 50-55% East African which matches well with the fact that Somalis are regarded almost 50-50 Caucasoid/Negroid.

Proto-Arabs originated in the Eastern Levant, around modern day Northern Jordan, where the oldest Arabic inscriptions are found and then spread south. Logically once we get Iron Age Arabic samples from this area it's pretty safe to say that they will come out close to the BA samples we have so far from Sidon, Lebanon and probably more so to the samples from Ain Ghazal, Jordan, who are quite distinct from modern day Sauids. Paternally speaking though Sauids and Bedouins are almost completely Arabian although they ptobably don't have much Arabian admixture.

You are correct on the fact that they came from that region:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259032-How-did-the-Arabic-identity-came-to-be-by-Ahmad-al-Jallad&p=5424046#post5424046

[Kamal900]

So the Gulf Arabs aren't the "real Arabs"? I've considered them to be the real ones, as opposed to the Arabized ones.

Arabs originated from between NW Arabia and the Southern Levant 3,000 years ago, and had assimilated all of the non-Arabic Arabian groups like the Dedanites, Thamudic, Sabaeans and so on. Here:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259032-How-did-the-Arabic-identity-came-to-be-by-Ahmad-al-Jallad&p=5424046#post5424046

[Kamal900]

Here is my gedmatch. I am not that far from Levantines, in fact I am more North than they are lol. I am half Bedouin

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.53
2 West_Asian 29.92
3 Red_Sea 10.75
4 West_Med 9.51
5 South_Asian 3.89
6 Baltic 2.33
7 Sub-Saharan 2.21
8 North_Atlantic 1.98
9 Northeast_African 1.41
10 Siberian 1.29
11 Oceanian 1.26
12 Amerindian 0.94

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 6.97
2 Georgian_Jewish 7.39
3 Iranian_Jewish 7.49
4 Kurdish_Jewish 7.51
5 Lebanese_Muslim 9.16
6 Syrian 9.38
7 Turkish 9.84
8 Armenian 10.54
9 Azeri 10.57
10 Iranian 11.95
11 Kurdish 12.43
12 Jordanian 13.75
13 Cyprian 14.86
14 Lebanese_Druze 15
15 Lebanese_Christian 15.28
16 Palestinian 15.7
17 Samaritan 15.98
18 Bedouin 18.02
19 Tunisian_Jewish 20.51
20 Libyan_Jewish 20.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.6% Syrian + 42.4% Kurdish @ 2.98
2 56.6% Syrian + 43.4% Iranian @ 3.14
3 57.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 42.6% Iranian @ 3.37
4 52.7% Kurdish + 47.3% Jordanian @ 3.56
5 59.7% Kurdish + 40.3% Bedouin @ 3.6
6 74.2% Syrian + 25.8% Abhkasian @ 3.63
7 57.8% Iranian + 42.2% Samaritan @ 3.68
8 56.3% Kurdish + 43.7% Palestinian @ 3.73
9 73.2% Syrian + 26.8% Georgian @ 3.88
10 53.6% Syrian + 46.4% Azeri @ 3.98
11 53.9% Iranian + 46.1% Jordanian @ 3.98
12 73.9% Georgian_Jewish + 26.1% Bedouin @ 4
13 58.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 41.2% Kurdish @ 4.04
14 62.1% Palestinian + 37.9% Abhkasian @ 4.04
15 79.7% Georgian_Jewish + 20.3% Egyptian @ 4.05
16 64.3% Armenian + 35.7% Bedouin @ 4.05
17 57.8% Georgian_Jewish + 42.2% Syrian @ 4.07
18 84.3% Georgian_Jewish + 15.7% Algerian @ 4.14
19 60.6% Palestinian + 39.4% Georgian @ 4.14
20 56.9% Kurdish + 43.1% Samaritan @ 4.16

I score more higher red sea than you, lol.

[Mingle]

Arabs originated from between NW Arabia and the Southern Levant 3,000 years ago, and had assimilated all of the non-Arabic Arabian groups like the Dedanites, Thamudic, Sabaeans and so on. Here:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259032-How-did-the-Arabic-identity-came-to-be-by-Ahmad-al-Jallad&p=5424046#post5424046

NW Arabia? More like the Eastern Levant (like Aren said) and then they spread to NW Arabia according to this:


The earliest attestations of Arabic are personal names dating back to the Assyrian period. From the second century BC onwards, personal names are attested in Nabataean inscriptions and Nabataean Arabic substratal influence can be demonstrated in the Nabataean Aramaic. Dating to the 1st century BC, the Safaitic and Hismaic inscriptions, concentrated in Hauran and Hisma, respectively, attest to the forms of Arabic used by the nomads of those regions.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Arabic

[Aren]

So the Gulf Arabs aren't the "real Arabs"? I've considered them to be the real ones, as opposed to the Arabized ones.

Well apart from their Y-DNA which is strikingly Arabian. By the time of the Islamic expansion I don't think there were any pure Arab tribes left, most had probably mixed with the Natufian-rich people of the Arabian peninsula.

[Leto]

Well apart from their Y-DNA which is strikingly Arabian. By the time of the Islamic expansion I don't think there were any pure Arab tribes left, most had probably mixed with the Natufian-rich people of the Arabian peninsula.
Honestly I'm surprised the Gulfers are not the original Arabians.

[72737282]

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[72737282]

I highly doubt that the original Arabs didn't have East African (keep in mind the Saudi in the OP scored East African not proper SSA). East Africans and Arabians have had contact since ancient times. The Kingdom of Axum extended into Arabia and South Semitic languages went from Arabia to Ethiopia. It doesn't take much skill to swim from East Africa to Arabia and vice versa. Just look at how close they are:

https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/yemen_trans-2012.jpg

Its unrealistic for them not to have mixed in ancient times to any degree whatsoever. Even the pre-Arabic people of the Arabian Peninsula likely had significant East African blood. Peninsulars also may have gotten some SSA or East African blood from mixing with the Egyptians and Levantines (with the latter themselves likely getting some SSA or EA from Egyptians). Saudis, being very tribalistic and not mixing much with foreigners, are probably a good representation of the original Arabs. Not saying they're gonna be identical to the Proto-Arabs though.

Red sea on average is 280kms wide, the closest part is 28 kms wide. You cant just swim 28 kms. 99768 Its basically noise except Yemenis. White Americans score momre SSA.

[Elias.99]

Saudis look kinda Indian