European Unity VS all those non-europeans who want to divide us

[Robocop]

I want all European ppl here to be united here and SHOW TO ALL NON-EUROPEANS that we are united against all those non-europeans who think we are divided, we are very much united in our European identity AS ONE.

Ofcourse we have diversity in Europe amonst ETHNIC EUROPEANS, but we are all one, we are Europeans, and we are here to PROTECT & GUARD the fact that we are in fact united against all those non-europeans who would want to divide us, this is QUESTION FOR EUROPEAN PPL only,

I am convinced that most of my european comrads (nevermind are they from north, south, east or central europe) will vote for UNITED against those who wants to divide us.

[Dragoon]

Im okay with improving relations and culture. As for unity somewhat. But cant see it happen with North Europe and West Europe love Liberalism and Socialism. Several decades ago it might have been different. Of course back then many countries were under USSR influence.

How do you fix nations were immigrations are welcomed, people are okay with it? How do you fix abortion and lbgt supporters?
It takes decades to reprogram them. As long as politics (like the above) divides its hard.
Also issues like NATO, the issue of Russia/Ukraine, and others.

[Tooting Carmen]

This gets it the wrong way round RoboCop. The average Korean or Senegalese most probably could not tell apart even Swedes and Greeks. To them, they are anonymous and interchangeable Westerners. It is Europeans themselves who make these distinctions between themselves.

[Phenix]

No one wants bad for Europeans, the white christian European massacred each over centuries they are their own historical enemies, this whole "white nationalism" thing confronting whites to other people is a lure to create horizontal tensions and conflict so that Europeans don't revolt against the real oppressors.

[Teutone]

I dont like the thought of European unity especially on a political level.

All the unity there should be is protecting our outside borders

[Megadorian]

Man, you can't even make amends with your local serb what makes you think pan european unity is a thing

[Benyzero]

I promote the good cause. The unneccesary nationalism, and the searching for differences instead of commons (we have differences ofc) which is divide us spiritually. But I guess theres not much to do about it, but to start thinking the right way on a personal level. I believe it's not just an utopia.

[Platinum]

Fuck European unity

[Wrong]

There is no such thing as European unity, never been. This is only in the dreams of White supremacists/Neo-Nazis.

[gıulıoımpa]

there must be some kind of acknowledgement of what we , as europeans represent together but forced unity i think it's wrong, since europe is the land of peculiarity.

[Wrong]

there must be some kind of acknowledgement of what we , as europeans represent together but forced unity i think it's wrong, since europe is the land of peculiarity.
Some villagers from the Pindeus mountains do not concern themselves about what happens in, let's say Poland or Spain.

[Token]

There is no European unity. Not genetically, not culturally, nor politically.

[Odin]

https://i.imgur.com/IlV2Jkm.png

[gıulıoımpa]

https://i.imgur.com/IlV2Jkm.pngThat i don't like much to be honest

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[Robocop]

That i don't like much to be honest

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Well, we can always convert EU into European Empire, Rome as capital, other countries will have their autonomy as provinces and their identity. :D

P.S. Don't know have you ever watched star trek? lol, anyway, you know about that shitty Federation right? Well, there is alternative Universe in Star Trek where humans were not pussies of Federation, but what they truly are; conquerors, and Federation doesn't exist but Terran Empire instead, and to me personally that's much more realistic nature of humans even in Star Trek, and this was the opening intro of that alternative universe, 15 times better than GAY-FEDERATION, this is who we are, truly:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbsZRbwbJ4

:D

[Crn Volk]

Yes I support European unity. No more brother wars.

[Crn Volk]

https://i.imgur.com/IlV2Jkm.png

Is this the Europe of a 100 flags?
Ukrainians will be disappointed

[Weiss]

Agree, but european unity under russian rule, we are the last true europeans

[gıulıoımpa]

Well, we can always convert EU into European Empire, Rome as capital, other countries will have their autonomy as provinces and their identity. :D

P.S. Don't know have you ever watched star trek? lol, anyway, you know about that shitty Federation right? Well, there is alternative Universe in Star Trek where humans were not pussies of Federation, but what they truly are; conquerors, and Federation doesn't exist but Terran Empire instead, and to me personally that's much more realistic nature of humans even in Star Trek, and this was the opening intro of that alternative universe, 15 times better than GAY-FEDERATION, this is who we are, truly:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbsZRbwbJ4

:D

haha cool! to be honest i'm more of a Star wars guy( old star wars because new is crap), but i deeply respect the fanbase of star trek.


talking about any sort of union i think it is important that every peculiar entity is preserved, along with it's traditions , it is forced unity and union under a fake paneuropean megaculture that i don't like very much.

among us we are italians , spanish , germans french. but against the sometimes barbarian rest of the world we stand united as europeans

i wish in school we taught interlingua or esperanto, that would be cool

[StonyArabia]

Don't really care about it, to be honest. I also think Europeans will never unite there to many differences between them

[WilliamA]

I want all European ppl here to be united here and SHOW TO ALL NON-EUROPEANS that we are united against all those non-europeans who think we are divided, we are very much united in our European identity AS ONE.

Ofcourse we have diversity in Europe amonst ETHNIC EUROPEANS, but we are all one, we are Europeans, and we are here to PROTECT & GUARD the fact that we are in fact united against all those non-europeans who would want to divide us, this is QUESTION FOR EUROPEAN PPL only,

I am convinced that most of my european comrads (nevermind are they from north, south, east or central europe) will vote for UNITED against those who wants to divide us.

I agree. There should be hierarchy and differentiation but internal unity against external invaders. Much like happens in Israel.

[Joso]

Agree, but european unity under russian rule, we are the last true europeans

But not under Putin, he is a communist

[StonyArabia]

But not under Putin, he is a communist

Russia the savior of the White/European LOL

[Melki]

Of course, I've always been in favor of a European unity...but come on, stop with that myth of an imaginary non-European "fifth column" working on destroying us. It's in the own interest of the US or China to maintain an economically, if not politically, united Europe. But by "non-Europeans", I guess you mean "filthy non-Whites".

The only "ennemies from within" are the European nationalists themselves. You need to convince yourself there are hordes of foreign invaders, because you know that your fictive "unity" stops where your national pride begins. Remember Sarajevo 1914. Everything started with people like you. But you would never have been those braves fighting in the trenches, you would have rather been those civilians stashed in their cellars, making sure to keep enough provisions for the black market.

[Mortimer]

I dont like the idea that european unity needs a enemy and scapegoat who are the non-europeans and demonise them as if they are evil. i dont think non-europeans want to divide europeans, usually they have nothing to do with it. so many people on earth are non-europeans and barely know where europe is.

[Profileid]

Of course, I've always been in favor of a European unity...but come on, stop with that myth of an imaginary non-European "fifth column" working on destroying us. It's in the own interest of the US or China to maintain an economically, if not politically, united Europe. But by "non-Europeans", I guess you mean "filthy non-Whites".

The only "ennemies from within" are the European nationalists themselves. You need to convince yourself there are hordes of foreign invaders, because you know that your fictive "unity" stops where your national pride begins. Remember Sarajevo 1914. Everything started with people like you. But you would never have been those braves fighting in the trenches, you would have rather been those civilians stashed in their cellars, making sure to keep enough provisions for the black market.

wow so enlightened

[Melki]

I dont like the idea that european unity needs a enemy and scapegoat who are the non-europeans and demonise them as if they are evil. i dont think non-europeans want to divide europeans, usually they have nothing to do with it. so many people on earth are non-europeans and barely know where europe is.

This

[catgeorge]

No interest in a unity with European nations being governed by banks.

[Shqipez]

https://i.imgur.com/IlV2Jkm.png

How do you think that would work out ? :lol:

[Phenix]

How do you think that would work out ? :lol:

It will end with the biggest civil war the world has ever seen.
And where the heck UK is? Was it dragged by US to New York shores? I guess they will be fine with that.

[Loki]

Robocop, your ideas are almost always sneaky, with some hidden agendas... it's never what it seems at first glance. And no, I doubt Northern Europeans would agree to make Rome the capital. Why don't you just leave us guys out of your "plans", please? You can have your own Southern Catholic League, but leave us mature nations out of it please.

[Shqipez]

Robocop, your ideas are almost always sneaky, with some hidden agendas... it's never what it seems at first glance. And no, I doubt Northern Europeans would agree to make Rome the capital. Why don't you just leave us guys out of your "plans", please? You can have your own Southern Catholic League, but leave us mature nations out of it please.

He has all these ideas and expects us to agree with him. A really weird world view, if you ask me.

[Dragoon]

One more thing... what cause problems in Europe.

a)lots of stupid leaders who take psychedelic drugs (otherwise they wouldn't be in lala land)
b)dependence on hundreds years old Jewish banking families. Why continue usury and debt? Socialism as alternative is also bad.
c)Europeans themselves are divided thanks to last few decades of brainwashing and "democracy".
d)Hordes of backward foreigners

"Let's not forget what the origin of the problem is. There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That's a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states."

-Wesley Clark


The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. [...]

Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit. This happened at the moment when Europe's feudal aristocracy became dilapidated, and thanks to Jewish emancipation.

-Kalergi

[GiCa]

https://i.imgur.com/IlV2Jkm.png

I want a federalist europe. More federalist than now

[GiCa]

But I Don t belive on this EU of theese days.

If you don't belong to the same state like instead the USA states are, full 100% cooperation without deviated interests is not possible; since as for now and the next centuries probably, a full USA like unity is an UTOPIA for europe; since it s like that.. The EU is a sort of trap where right now France/Germany are the illegitimate governors who very often make non cooperative politics

[GiCa]

And.. Some states didn t want the schengen free moviment thing.. Namely the UK who brexited out

They Don t want us to freely move in the uk as we want.. They want us to move there like the rest of the world with pass ports and therefore possible expulsions

Same goes for west europe that tries to postpone the schengen with East Europe countries like namely Romania and bulgaria

[The Lawspeaker]

No thanks. The Netherlands is focussed on the immediate areas for trade (UK, Germany and the Benelux) and has a maritime tradition with both a neutralist (in the past) and Atlanticist (after WWII) outlook.

Europe is the hinterland: we look at what's on the other side of the ocean.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

People who don't live in your community aren't gong to be concern with what happens in your community as much as you if at all. The more decentralized a nation is with locals making decisions the better for the locals. Each community has its own unique problems that people elsewhere may not be able to relate.

[Papastratosels26]

That union is very difficult to achieve unfortunately.

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[Robocop]

That union is very difficult to achieve unfortunately.

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Why? Under right lider everything is possible.

Listen man, with this I didnt wanted to provoke any hatred from non-europeans, no..., I met many non-europeans, across europe, and here in croatia as tourists, damn I was always honestly polite to them, honestly with heart, and I dont have any grudge against any good individual, but man...

Man oh man... you know very well the FLAME in your heart about us europeans united, and not only you, many and many here KNOWS THAT FLAME, they just knows it, tell me friend... can that feeling be false? I dont think so... that is the truth in your heart and mind, our pathetic differences are nothing in comparison how similar we all are in our hearts for our motherland continent, just let your emotions free hehe, AND TELL ME, am I telling somethin which is not truth? hehe :D

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I want to divide europeans into meds dinarics and nordics.

[Magnolia]

Haven't you noticed that there is no Unity as it goes for attitude to immigrants?
People can say whatever they want on this forum. But I listened to Macron few days ago... some European societies are for immigration from non-Euro countries, others (mostly countries that joined EU in 2004) are against it.
I think this will destroy the European Union.

It would be wise to create something like a European Confederation, but European leaders (France, Germany, etc.) want to create a federation and - and this can't work.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Humanity is already divided. Why cant we divide you further?

[The Lawspeaker]

Haven't you noticed that there is no Unity as it goes for attitude to immigrants?
People can say whatever they want on this forum. But I listened to Macron few days ago... some European societies are for immigration from non-Euro countries, others (mostly countries that joined EU in 2004) are against it.
I think this will destroy the European Union.

It would be wise to create something like a European Confederation, but European leaders (France, Germany, etc.) want to create a federation and - and this can't work.
I think there are very few countries in favor of migration. As for the political talking heads who often don't even want to know what their own population thinks. Now that's another story

[Robocop]

Haven't you noticed that there is no Unity as it goes for attitude to immigrants?
People can say whatever they want on this forum. But I listened to Macron few days ago... some European societies are for immigration from non-Euro countries, others (mostly countries that joined EU in 2004) are against it.
I think this will destroy the European Union.

It would be wise to create something like a European Confederation, but European leaders (France, Germany, etc.) want to create a federation and - and this can't work.

Well Magnolina, never told you this, but you're beautiful Czech European girl, and I be damned if I would let any non-european harm you in any way, I be damned :D

Shiny Croatian Knight, ready to protect

[Magnolia]

@ Robocop, you can't protect people against their will.
Look at Swedes - you can tell them 100x they are great, they should be proud of themselves and they should preserve their society like it is. But they will tell you they want to help immigrants and you are a racist and against European values...

you can't change the situation. You have to respect them and leave them in it.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

@ Robocop, you can't protect people against their will.
Look at Swedes - you can tell them 100x they are great, they should be proud of themselves and they should preserve their society like it is. But they will tell you they want to help immigrants and you are a racist and against European values...

you can't change the situation. You have to respect them and leave them in it.

If a brown person came to europe, would you heckle him to get out of europe if he minds his own buisness and works. Or does it depend if he is muslim?

[The Lawspeaker]

There are certainly some programs Europeans could keep intact:



the E-road system comes to mind, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (which also takes over the roles of the EMCDDA, EFSA and the EMA),
the EHIC-pass system,
a general transportation safety and disaster prevention board (replacing f.i the EMSA, ECHA and EASA), which would do much the same thing as the National Transportation Safety Board does in the U.S or the Onderzoeksraad Voor Veiligheid does in the Netherlands. It would combine European experts into one organization that can then operate quickly when needed.
Europol/Eurojust (could also include ENISA for network security) could also be continued to run according multinational treaties (which can be put up to the public vote).
Another thing I could be in favor of, would be the EEA (environment - thus also conbining European expertise)
and a general patent office replacing both the CPVO and other patent organizations.


For the rest, we don't really need the EU: it's entire security component can be arranged through NATO. In fact: even ENISA could be Left to NATO. EIT, EFTA and CERN (science and research) could be joined up with a Trans-Atlantic program and so could the ideas of the Galileo Project. Protecting Europe's energy security through ACER could also be left to a Trans-Atlantic program as it would be in the interest of both the Canadians, Americans and Europeans to secure Europe's energy supply.

[Magnolia]

If a brown person came to europe, would you heckle him to get out of europe if he minds his own buisness and works. Or does it depend if he is muslim?

Asia = for Asiatic people.
Africa = for African people.

Why Europe should be for everyone.... No I'll not mind if a brown/blue/yellow/Buddhist/Muslim person comes to Europe if it is is an exception. But there are millions of them and that's the problem.

[Peterski]

Asia = for Asiatic people.
Africa = for African people.

Why Europe should be for everyone...

Because Europeans colonized the Americas and Australia.

Europeans have the largest "living space" of all major races already.

Oh and Asia is not only for Asiatic people. There are millions of Russians and European Jews there.

Europeans even have outposts in South Africa.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Asia = for Asiatic people.
Africa = for African people.

Why Europe should be for everyone.... No I'll not mind if a brown/blue/yellow/Buddhist/Muslim person comes to Europe if it is is an exception. But there are millions of them and that's the problem.

I hear that. If I was in charge of a country i'd turn back immigrants too. Id deport US born citizens too if they had violent criminal history. And Id deport white nationalists and black nationalists. And any ethno or racial nationalist organization.

Also America isnt for native americans.
So i dont buy europe for europeans.
Africa for africans. Ect.

[Mingle]

Asia = for Asiatic people.
Africa = for African people.

Why Europe should be for everyone.... No I'll not mind if a brown/blue/yellow/Buddhist/Muslim person comes to Europe if it is is an exception. But there are millions of them and that's the problem.Turkey and Malaysia are Asian countries and have 100x more foreigners than East European countries will ever have.

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[The Lawspeaker]

There are certainly some programs Europeans could keep intact:



the E-road system comes to mind, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (which also takes over the roles of the EMCDDA, EFSA and the EMA),
the EHIC-pass system,
a general transportation safety and disaster prevention board (replacing f.i the EMSA, ECHA and EASA), which would do much the same thing as the National Transportation Safety Board does in the U.S or the Onderzoeksraad Voor Veiligheid does in the Netherlands. It would combine European experts into one organization that can then operate quickly when needed.
Europol/Eurojust (could also include ENISA for network security) could also be continued to run according multinational treaties (which can be put up to the public vote).
Another thing I could be in favor of, would be the EEA (environment - thus also conbining European expertise)
and a general patent office replacing both the CPVO and other patent organizations.


For the rest, we don't really need the EU: it's entire security component can be arranged through NATO. In fact: even ENISA could be Left to NATO. EIT, EFTA and CERN (science and research) could be joined up with a Trans-Atlantic program and so could the ideas of the Galileo Project. Protecting Europe's energy security through ACER could also be left to a Trans-Atlantic program as it would be in the interest of both the Canadians, Americans and Europeans to secure Europe's energy supply.

So we can have all the good things of "European togetherness" and still not have to live under an anti-democratic European Union.

[Magnolia]

I hear that. If I was in charge of a country i'd turn back immigrants too. Id deport US born citizens too if they had violent criminal history. And Id deport white nationalists and black nationalists. And any ethno or racial nationalist organization.

Also America isnt for native americans.
So i dont buy europe for europeans.
Africa for africans. Ect.


America was colonized long time ago and not all Europeans participated in it. The situation was changed. The moral in the 16th century was different than it is now.
It is nonsense to blame modern Europeans from crimes that were committed long time ago.

[Marmara]

Asia = for Asiatic people.
Africa = for African people.

Why Europe should be for everyone.... No I'll not mind if a brown/blue/yellow/Buddhist/Muslim person comes to Europe if it is is an exception. But there are millions of them and that's the problem.

I can ease the Asia for Asians rule just for you.

[The Lawspeaker]

America was colonized long time ago and not all Europeans participated in it. The situation was changed. The moral in the 16th century was different than it is now.
It is nonsense to blame modern Europeans from crimes that were committed long time ago.

Still. If we have to reject colonialism by default, then maybe those Americans of European descent should return to Europe. And the others should leave as well. The black Americans will not be happy as their welfare checks will no longer be there ! :thumb001:

[Loki]

Poland should become part of Germany (again). Already an improvement, and more "unity".

[Peterski]

Black Americans should return either to Africa or Europe (they are on average 80% African and 20% European).

[The Lawspeaker]

Black Americans should return either to Africa or Europe (they are on average 80% African and 20% European).

To hell with that. Africa only.

[Magnolia]

Most of you still can't see the point. The world has be globalized, small nations are nothing as it goes for economy.
Europe needs to be united for this reason.

[The Lawspeaker]

Most of you still can't see the point. The world has be globalized, small nations are nothing as it goes for economy.
Europe needs to be united for this reason.

Eh.. no thanks. I can barely stand being ruled from The Hague. The idea that some unaccountable un-elected fuckheads in Brussels (read: Paris and Berlin --- and better said: New York and the City of London) are deciding what I can and can't do ? Hell no.

[Crn Volk]

Most of you still can't see the point. The world has be globalized, small nations are nothing as it goes for economy.
Europe needs to be united for this reason.

True, but that should not be at the expense of porous border controls.

[Peterski]

Poland should become part of Germany (again). Already an improvement, and more "unity".

You mean the borders of 1795-1807 ???

Actually the Partitions of Poland was one of the worst things that happened in European history because they destroyed the balance of power in Europe.

And in this video Grzegorz Braun claims that Britain was the 4th partitioner of Poland (as it secretly supported Prussia and Austria):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NStJEFpLH60

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t5496Iv6Low

[The Lawspeaker]

You mean the borders of 1795-1807 ???

Actually the Partitions of Poland was one of the worst things that happened in European history because they destroyed the balance of power in Europe.

And in this video Grzegorz Braun claims that Britain was the 4th partitioner of Poland (as it secretly supported Prussia and Austria):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NStJEFpLH60

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t5496Iv6Low

The boss is Afrikaner. You should ask him about the sick shit the Brits pulled in South Africa. I don't think he has many reasons to be pro-British...

[The Lawspeaker]

Are you trying to remove even the last bit of pro-Polish sentiments people have ? As for Catholic Priest. I think the Church shouldn't have much to say about moral degradation since Vat II - which is a complete abomination in itself. The Church needs to return to God before it can be a moral example to anyone. As for Poland: the only reason why it's getting anywhere, it's because of a lot of Western money. Another reason why I support a return to the pre-1990s situation with the exception of an EFTA and several institutions replacing the EU.

[The Lawspeaker]

Returning to the current Church is not the solution to our problems - the current Church is the problem. Through Vat II, they have undone the hard work of the Counter-Reformation and become the morally bankrupt institution, devoid of the word of God, that it was in 1517. Luther may have been a heretic, but, morally speaking, he wasn't wrong. His problem just laid in drawing the wrong conclusions. but it was the institution, at the time, that pretty much forced his hand.

[Peterski]

Austria and Prussia in 1795 compared to modern borders:

http://s9.postimg.cc/wzzr4jbcf/Prussia_Austria_1795.png

This situation changed after the Napoleonic Wars though.

[The Lawspeaker]

It is, indeed, the misfortune of Germany that the Austrians were ruled by the corrupt Habsburgs, the Prussians ruled by a bunch of hard-line militarists and and rest by weak fools. Germany's heartland is in the West - not in Prussia. The Wars of Religion killed their actual destiny (decentralized, the nobility in the country (which would slowly have died off anyway) and with free cities), and the French and the Prussians did the rest.

[Peterski]

My point was mainly that Russia basically did not participate in partitions of Poland if we go by today's borders.

After 1945 Polish-Russian (Soviet) border became the same as Prussian-Russian and Austrian-Russian border of 1795-1807.

The only part of the former Russian Partition that Stalin agreed to stay Polish after WW2, is Białowieża Forest (and just 1/3 of it, as 2/3 became part of Belarusian SSR).

In 1807 Napoleon created the Duchy of Warsaw from lands of 2nd and 3rd Prussian Partitions. The Duchy later won a war against Austria and expanded into some parts of the Austrian Partition.

Abolished by the Congress of Vienna in 1815.

[Magnolia]

Eh.. no thanks. I can barely stand being ruled from The Hague. The idea that some unaccountable un-elected fuckheads in Brussels (read: Paris and Berlin --- and better said: New York and the City of London) are deciding what I can and can't do ? Hell no.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnIl212tBPk
And this even doesn't reflect that the Europe will be divided again (it means less powerful).

[The Lawspeaker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnIl212tBPk
And this even doesn't reflect that the Europe will be divided again (it means less powerful).

If so, then you would agree that the Czechs would have to give up a lot of sovereignty and be relegated to something like a U.S state ? Magnolia: you people just managed to unshackle yourself from Soviet domination...

In fact: even less because the Eurocrats would never want to see something like an actual United States of Europe (based on the American model) because they would lose a shit ton of power and their positions would become electable and they themselves accountable.

[Magnolia]

If so, then you would agree that the Czechs would have to give up a lot of sovereignty and be relegated to something like a U.S state ? Magnolia: you people just managed to unshackle yourself from Soviet domination...

In fact: even less because the Eurocrats would never want to see something like an actual United States of Europe (based on the American model) because they would lose a shit ton of power and their positions would become electable and they themselves accountable.

The US is not an aim of my interest. I think that Europe should be independent, not connected to the US much.
I care about Europe and I want to see Europe being strong as it goes for economy.... small countries are not competitive. there must be a European cooperation as it goes for economy, otherwise and now listen - European countries will start lagging behind and it will be more visible in Western European countries.

I know history of my country well, so I know what kind of consequences can have a bad economic strategy.

[The Lawspeaker]

The US is not an aim of my interest. I think that Europe should be independent, not connected to the US much.
I care about Europe and I want to see Europe being strong as it goes for economy.... small countries are not competitive. there must be a European cooperation as it goes for economy, otherwise and now listen - European countries will start lagging behind and it will be more visible in Western European countries.

I know history of my country well, so I know what kind of consequences can have a bad economic strategy.
I am talking about a United States of Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Europe). Not the United States. How would such a federation even work ? Is there a working model ? How to conflict the various cultures and interests ? How to go around the fact that there are poor and rich "states" ?

[The Lawspeaker]

There are pro's for it but there are a lot more cons. Hell: the Belgians can barely live together. The Czechs and Slovaks broke off their joint state because of the differences between the two peoples. Pray tell me how we can put Greeks, Germans and Dutch into one single state without it becoming political deadlock and bloody murder. The Benelux is difficult enough at times..

[Peterski]

To hell with that. Africa only.

What about Rehoboth Bastards?:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KsIDoPepcI8

[The Lawspeaker]

What about Rehoboth Bastards?:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KsIDoPepcI8

Tough shit.

[Magnolia]

I am talking about a United States of Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Europe). Not the United States. How would such a federation even work ? Is there a working model ? How to conflict the various cultures and interests ? How to go around the fact that there are poor and rich "states" ?

Oh sorry my fault, I wasn't careful when reading. In this thread I said that Europe should be a confederation not a federation. That was the original intention of "the European Union", European politicians recreated it - they want to create a federation, and this can't work. European nations have to have common aims as it goes for economy, the protection of the European market, European prosperity, European defense. But that's all. To respect individuality of every European nation is required otherwise resistance will be woken up (it has started).

[The Lawspeaker]

Oh sorry my fault, I wasn't careful when reading. In this thread I said that Europe should be a confederation not a federation. That was the original intention of "the European Union", European politicians recreated it - they want to create a federation, and this can't work. European nations have to have common aims as it goes for economy, the protection of the European market, European prosperity, European defense. But that's all. To respect individuality of every European nation is required otherwise resistance will be woken up (it has started).

So, then we would need something more akin to Switzerland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Switzerland) ? I could support that, to a degree.

[alnortedelsur]

I agree with the European unity for the interest of majority of Europeans (the common people) to preserve their race and their heritage against the globalist agenda, but not in the European Union under the leadership of the selfish/corrupt political leaders telling from Brussels what European countries should do within their respective territories (in matters of immigration and political correctness), denying them their right of sovereignty as nations

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

America was colonized long time ago and not all Europeans participated in it. The situation was changed. The moral in the 16th century was different than it is now.
It is nonsense to blame modern Europeans from crimes that were committed long time ago.

Whoa whoa whoa... europe for europeans. But america for everybody not native?

Who said anything about blame?


Who da real globalists?

[Magnolia]

So, then we would need something more akin to Switzerland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Switzerland) ? I could support that, to a degree.

Something like this but Switzerland is specific, it has a long tradition in direct democracy, it is not for everyone, many nations are not ready for that.
But like a model as it goes for federal powers + powers of "regions" - yes, something like that.

[Magnolia]

Whoa whoa whoa... europe for europeans. But america for everybody not native?

Who said anything about blame?

I will be cruel now, native people were almost exterminated. They practically don't exist anymore... (I speak about the US, Canada).

[The Lawspeaker]

Something like this but Switzerland is specific, it has a long tradition in direct democracy, it is not for everyone, many nations are not ready for that.
But like a model as it goes for federal powers + powers of "regions" - yes, something like that.

I'd say that countries in the West should still opt for direct democracy - this in order to crush the Eurocrats. Another (crazy) plan was introduced in 1992 which would have seen the separation of EU countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_of_Europe,_A_Eurotopia%3F) (for political purposes) into a number of states.



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Heinekenwesseling.jpg

While I see a lot of problems with this solution (who the hell puts Frisia, Brabant and Limburg in one state !), a version could be used when it comes to electoral cantons, where the nation itself remains as a cultural entity that has the right to leave at any moment (taking the cantons/states with them). .

More detailed information can be found here (https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/386-my-kingdom-for-a-beer-heinekens-eurotopia).



https://assets.rbl.ms/18578539/980x.jpg

The list:
https://assets.rbl.ms/18578541/980x.jpghttps://assets.rbl.ms/18578543/980x.jpghttps://assets.rbl.ms/18578545/980x.jpghttps://assets.rbl.ms/18578547/980x.jpghttps://assets.rbl.ms/18578550/980x.jpghttps://assets.rbl.ms/18578552/980x.jpghttps://assets.rbl.ms/18578555/980x.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

I will be cruel now, native people were almost exterminated. They practically don't exist anymore... (I speak about the US, Canada).

And what's left of them mixed in with the Europeans or is somewhere in a reservation, boozing and shooting up (heroine).

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I will be cruel now, native people were almost exterminated. They practically don't exist anymore... (I speak about the US, Canada).

Thats not cruel. Thats a fact. Europeans genocided them and robbed them of their land back than. But natives, they still exists. And many decendants. So by your logic white people should get out of the americas and move to europe. They belong in europe. Not here. This is, being consistant with your logic.

Its like your globalists about any where thats not europe

Who da real globalist here?
R u a george soros agent?

[KMack]

European unity exists, except for a few SJW losers, it is called the USA.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

European unity exists, except for a few SJW losers, it is called the USA.Only among conservatives and neo nazis. And trumpies

[KMack]

Thats not cruel. Thats a fact. Europeans genocided them and robbed them of their land back than. But natives, they still exists. And many decendants. So by your logic white people should get out of the americas and move to europe. They belong in europe. Not here. This is, being consistant with your logic.

Its like your globalists about any where thats not europe

Who da real globalist here?
R u a george soros agent?

Yes Native Americans did that to each other forever.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Yes Native Americans did that to each other forever.Doesnt matter, europeans did too. The whole point is that its not europe. So to that logic they should move back to europe, their homeland. AmIrite?

[KMack]

Only among conservatives and neo nazis. And trumpies

NAZIS are national socialists. Conservatives and Trump voters are not this.

[Peterski]

I will be cruel now, native people were almost exterminated. They practically don't exist anymore... (I speak about the US, Canada).

^^^
This is wrong. In 2016 census 6.18% of Canadians declared having Native ancestry, and 4.86% declared Native race (here is why such a difference - someone who is mostly White and for example just 1/8 Native would declare his race as White, but probably would declare Native ancestry apart from European).

In the USA, similar figures are 3.53% Native ancestry (1990 census) and 1.69% Native race (2010 census). Here is the relevant map:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/Native_Americans_Race.png

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

NAZIS are national socialists. Conservatives and Trump voters are not this.Did I say nazis are conservatives? Or is that a subconcious thought.[emoji848]

[KMack]

Doesnt matter, europeans did too. The whole point is that its not europe. So to that logic they should move back to europe, their homeland. AmIrite?

Right European unity or people from Europe ancestry have united rather well in the USA. By your logic Mongoloids should go back to Asia.

[KMack]

Did I say nazis are conservatives? Or is that a subconcious thought.[emoji848]

You can look up that NAZIS were National Socialists.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Right European unity or people from Europe ancestry have united rather well in the USA. By your logic Mongoloids should go back to Asia.Na, because its been thousands of years and they already a different mongoloid race and the earliest humans alive today to inhibit the americas and probably ever.

Your logical fallacy? Well than europeans should go back to arabia.

[Peterski]

Before Columbus USA and Canada had no more than 3 million people according to:

http://proceedings.caaconference.org/files/2000/35_Snow_CAA_2000.pdf

[KMack]

^^^
This is wrong. In 2016 census 6.18% of Canadians declared having Native ancestry, and 4.86% declared Native race (here is why such a difference - someone who is mostly White and for example just 1/8 Native would declare his race as White, but probably would declare Native ancestry apart from European).

In the USA, similar figures are 3.53% Native ancestry (1990 census) and 1.69% Native race (2010 census). Here is the relevant map:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/Native_Americans_Race.png

Hispanic population, native Americans, of the American SW is huge. Much larger than that map.

[The Lawspeaker]

I'd say that countries in the West should still opt for direct democracy - this in order to crush the Eurocrats. Another (crazy) plan was introduced in 1992 which would have seen the separation of EU countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_of_Europe,_A_Eurotopia%3F) (for political purposes) into a number of states.



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Heinekenwesseling.jpg

While I see a lot of problems with this solution (who the hell puts Frisia, Brabant and Limburg in one state !), a version could be used when it comes to electoral cantons, where the nation itself remains as a cultural entity that has the right to leave at any moment (taking the cantons/states with them). .

More detailed information can be found here (https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/386-my-kingdom-for-a-beer-heinekens-eurotopia).



https://assets.rbl.ms/18578539/980x.jpg

The list:
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Politically speaking - it might hold (if there are some alterations some here and there (Brabant and Limburg would be better off with Flanders - Friesland their own state (preferably with Groningen and other Frisian areas), Flevoland and Utrecht with IJsselland, But this would also do away with the power differences between big and small countries if the union remains voluntary, if the countries are kept intact as cultural institutions, States' Rights kept intact, the cultures and ethnicities are respected (as enshrined in the constitution ! - there will be no multicultural society and no mass migration) and the right to secede sacrosanct, this might actually work.

[Magnolia]

I'd say that countries in the West should still opt for direct democracy - this in order to crush the Eurocrats. Another (crazy) plan was introduced in 1992 which would have seen the separation of EU countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_of_Europe,_A_Eurotopia%3F) (for political purposes) into a number of states.



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Heinekenwesseling.jpg

While I see a lot of problems with this solution (who the hell puts Frisia, Brabant and Limburg in one state !), a version could be used when it comes to electoral cantons, where the nation itself remains as a cultural entity that has the right to leave at any moment (taking the cantons/states with them). .

More detailed information can be found here (https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/386-my-kingdom-for-a-beer-heinekens-eurotopia).


https://assets.rbl.ms/18578539/980x.jpg

I have no issue with direct democracy. If a nation is ready for that... why not. But it requires not only perfect organisation, but also a deep interest of people in politics, economics, social issues. People have to be ready to take their responsibility. In many countries people have an issue even to participate in elections... it says a lot.
https://www.ssb.no/en/valg/artikler-og-publikasjoner/_image/258587.png?_encoded=2f66666666666678302f35382f&_ts=153312f3a20

[KMack]

Before Columbus USA and Canada had no more than 3 million people according to:

http://proceedings.caaconference.org/files/2000/35_Snow_CAA_2000.pdf

In all of USA and Canada it was no more. In Mexico and the rest of C. America the population was much much larger.

[Ylla]

Europeans are generally hostile towards us and don't consider us Europeans, so there is no incentive for us to be pro.

[Peterski]

There is an ongoing Native Revival in the USA:

https://i.imgur.com/Zr9vgeX.png

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?264184-The-country-of-Patawomeck-Indians-and-self-identified-Germans

"(...) Prior work suggests at least three reasons for the large net increase between 1990 and 2000. First, negative stereotypes and cultural repression that previously curbed identification have waned such that lifetime American Indians are more willing to publicly embrace this identification (Cornell 1988; Nagel 1995, 1996; Thornton 1990).(...)"

[The Lawspeaker]

I have no issue with direct democracy. If a nation is ready for that... why not. But it requires not only perfect organisation, but also a deep interest of people in politics, economics, social issues. People have to be ready to take their responsibility. In many countries people have an issue even to participate in elections... it says a lot.
https://www.ssb.no/en/valg/artikler-og-publikasjoner/_image/258587.png?_encoded=2f66666666666678302f35382f&_ts=153312f3a20

There is a good reason why people don't vote: they feel that their democracy is hollow and that they have no real influence. So, constitutionally speaking, it needs to be made sure that they actually have influence. I would be in favor of instituting town meetings (much like the Landesgemeinde (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsgemeinde) in some Swiss areas), making executive functions (from councilmen to mayors to sheriffs and judges) electable, institute trial by jury and you might actually see a democracy beginning to take off.

[KMack]

Na, because its been thousands of years and they already a different mongoloid race and the earliest humans alive today to inhibit the americas and probably ever.

Your logical fallacy? Well than europeans should go back to arabia.

Good luck with that. Hey, all people of Euro, Asia and Africa majority DNA you have to leave all of the Americas. LOL. Here is your fallacy.
I own real estate with native american bones underneath it. I will piss on that if I want to and you can't do anything about it Chief Wipe my ass with Hand.

[Peterski]

But I can tell you that many Indians probably still identify as Whites.

On GEDmatch I found a 100% Navajo (based on MDLP World 22 results), I emailed her asking if she is Navajo and the response was "this must be some mistake, I'm White American" - even though profile photo linked to the email clearly showed non-white features.

So I think that there are still a lot of Natives who are closeted as self-identified Whites.


Hispanic population, native Americans, of the American SW is huge. Much larger than that map.

That map shows only Native Americans not Hispanics.

[Magnolia]

There is a good reason why people don't vote: they feel that their democracy is hollow and that they have no real influence. So, constitutionally speaking, it needs to be made sure that they actually have influence. I would be in favor of instituting town meetings (much like the Landesgemeinde (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsgemeinde) in some Swiss areas), making executive functions (from councilmen to mayors to sheriffs and judges) electable, institute trial by jury and you might actually see a democracy beginning to take off.

I understand you, but they still have power not to let Macron win. And they let him win... so they are not responsible.

[The Lawspeaker]

I understand you, but they still have power not to let Macron to win. And they let him to win... so they are not responsible.
Absolutely. But the voter feels ignored. And the French election system is a bit corrupt btw. as it used several rounds that doesn't seem to revolve around the actual votes that have been cast. I'd say that in a U.S.E, there would need to a mandatory new voting system.

[Magnolia]

All words about Native people and the US/Canada are unnecessary. That minority is nothing. There is not a significant group of them... to return land to them - what a nonsense.

[The Lawspeaker]

Had we had this discussion a hundred years ago, I would have agreed that we would have needed to return land. Now, I think that they will actually slowly die out and what is left of their genes will be absorbed into the White gene pool. I hope they can retain some local cultural elements. In fact: I think that's the solution to the American problem: send back most of the blacks and Latino's, build the wall, send back most of the Asians, lovingly keep those who you have married (and marry those of the other stock who you have courted for a long time - may your marriage be good and fruitful), try to preserve native culture as much you can until that light can be turned off as well. In Dutch we'd call it a sterfhuisconstructie. (lit. the hospice (a home for the dying) model).

[Peterski]

Deleted.

[The Lawspeaker]

I e-mailed this person and she told me she is White, can you believe it based on her results?:

MDLP World-22 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-Amerind 51.39
2 Mesoamerican 34.42
3 South-America_Amerind 7.56
4 East-Siberean 2.21
5 Paleo-Siberian 1.61
6 Arctic-Amerind 1.54
7 Samoedic 0.67
8 East-South-Asian 0.29
9 Indo-Iranian 0.24
10 North-East-European 0.03
11 South-African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Navajo (derived) 10.25
2 Apache (derived) 11.69
3 Luiseno (derived) 28.05

I call bullshit. A person with those genes wouldn't make the mistake of calling herself white to begin with.

[The Lawspeaker]

A lot of the "Natives" aren't so Native at all as the U.S is self-reported. A lot of those people who use those documents do so to get their hands on some politically correct largess. Like Warren.

[Magnolia]

So it is even worse - if people with significant Native blood don't feel being Native. As I said... what is done is done. The US/Canada are not "Native lands" anymore.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Good luck with that. Hey, all people of Euro, Asia and Africa majority DNA you have to leave all of the Americas. LOL. Here is your fallacy.
I own real estate with native american bones underneath it. I will piss on that if I want to and you can't do anything about it Chief Wipe my ass with Hand.

I quoted this for the cringe.

I dont care if you own your estate.
I already proposed my own ideal rules.
If you understood or followed. I wasnt argueing my point of view but merely using magnolias and your logic against you to show how hypocritical it was. Because its not consistant and doesn't hold up

I dont have to leave the americas. I have native DNA. And I am a direct decendant. One of my grandfathers was indo mestizo also. I have his photo. My arguement was native and native decendended people should stay. White people go back to europe. Or how else would europe be for europeans? Asia for asians ect.

[The Lawspeaker]

So it is even worse - if people with significant Native blood don't feel being Native. As I said... what is done is done. The US/Canada are not "Native lands" anymore.

And we need to do our damnedest to make sure that it doesn't happen to us. Let the demise of the Natives serve us as a reminder what could happen to us if we don't act And believe me: the newcomers are a lot less kind than the Europeans ever were.

[Peterski]

Deleted.

[The Lawspeaker]

This is how she looks like:



How she could claim to be white is beyond me.

[Peterski]

She is basically 100% Amerindian genetically.

[KMack]

So it is even worse - if people with significant Native blood don't feel being Native. As I said... what is done is done. The US/Canada are not "Native lands" anymore.
If you are born and raised here you are native. DUH

[The Lawspeaker]

She is basically 100% Amerindian genetically.

As everyone can see. But their numbers are small. There is a lot of corruption going on in determining whose native or not. Just ask Fauxcahontas Warren and most white Americans have at least some Native blood in the woodpile -- and just about every remaining Native has white in him. It's a con game.

[KMack]

I quoted this for the cringe.

I dont care if you own your estate.
I already proposed my own ideal rules.
If you understood or followed. I wasnt argueing my point of view but merely using magnolias and your logic against you to show how hypocritical it was. Because its not consistant and doesn't hold up

I dont have to leave the americas. I have native DNA. And I am a direct decendant. One of my grandfathers was indo mestizo also. I have his photo. My arguement was native and native decendended people should stay. White people go back to europe. Or how else would europe be for europeans? Asia for asians ect.

Get off of the white invented internet and message board. And stop speaking my Euro language. Can you stop appropriating my culture for 1 minute.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

A lot of the "Natives" aren't so Native at all as the U.S is self-reported. A lot of those people who use those documents do so to get their hands on some politically correct largess. Like Warren.So? That only means native peoples and native peoples decended peoples from other places should stay in the americas. Who says it has to be some fake cherokee tribe from the US? Theres many native and native mixed people in latin america.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Get off of the white invented internet and message board. And stop speaking my Euro language. Can you stop appropriating my culture for 1 minute.
Its not your language. You didnt invent it.
I dont know what culture you are talking about.

[Peterski]

How she could claim to be white is beyond me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e6ChgL1EC4

[The Lawspeaker]

So? That only means native peoples and native peoples decended peoples from other places should stay in the americas. Who says it has to be some fake cherokee tribe from the US? Theres many native and native mixed people in latin america.

Aha. That's like saying that Ukrainians can have Britain just because they are European. Get off the white invented internet, stop collecting white welfare, stop taking the white man's medicine and stop speaking the white man's language.

[The Lawspeaker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e6ChgL1EC4

I think it's plain idiotic. It's cultural appropriation.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Aha. That's like saying that Ukrainians can have Britain just because they are European. Get off the white invented internet, stop collecting white welfare, stop taking the white man's medicine and stop speaking the white man's language.

They could. Maybe. But they are both europeans so it wouldnt matter where in europe. As long as they are in europe.

I work. Stop being SJW i will speak any language I want.

[KMack]

Its not your language. You didnt invent it.
I dont know what culture you are talking about.

Dude take the loss like a man.

[The Lawspeaker]

They could. Maybe. But they are both europeans so it wouldnt matter where in europe. As long as they are in europe.

I work. Stop being SJW i will speak any language I want.

The only SJW out here is you. Man. I can remember the days when non-Europeans (non-whites) weren't particularly welcome on this forum. I used to think those who thought that way were idiots. Now I begin to understand why they were thinking what they were thinking.

As for speaking a Germanic language: It's cultural appropriation, spear-chucker.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Dude take the loss like a man.What loss? You never made a consistant arguement. Merely rambled about pissing on graves and owning a estate. Like that proves your argument is consistant.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

The only SJW out here is you. Man. I can remember the days when non-Europeans (non-whites) weren't particularly welcome on this forum. I used to think they were idiots. Now I begin to understand why they were thinking that. It's cultural appropriation, speak chucker.

Lmao omg this is what you get with level "260 Iq einsteins lmao

[The Lawspeaker]

Lmao omg this is what you get with level "260 Iq einsteins lmao

Sometimes you have to be clear with leftie idiots and none of us have much patience here with you. Now, fuck off so we can go back to discussing the merits of European unification.

[KMack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e6ChgL1EC4

Their culture is probably not centered around that. It is like asking a Dominican.....they are Dominican first, especially as Haiti is west of there.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Sometimes you have to be clear with leftie idiots. None of us have much patience here with you. Now, fuck off so we can go back to discussing the merits of European unification.Ok " speak chucker" [emoji1787][emoji1787]

[KMack]

What loss? You never made a consistant arguement. Merely rambled about pissing on graves and owning a estate. Like that proves your argument is consistant.

Are you going to deport me to somewhere in Europe? :rolleyes:

[The Lawspeaker]

Ok " speak chucker" [emoji1787][emoji1787]

I said spear-chucker. It's 3:44 AM here. Haven't you got some hearts to throw off pyramids in the vain hope you'll get some rain ?

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Are you going to deport me to somewhere in Europe? :rolleyes:I wasnt talking about what Id do with you. We were talking about the consistancy of the statement " europe for europeans, asia for asians, africa for africans" stay on topic. I know its difficult

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I said spear-chucker. It's 3:44 AM here. Haven't you got some hearts to throw off pyramids in the vain hope you'll get some rain ?

Then why are you up

Don't know what you are blabbing about.

[The Lawspeaker]

Now that our friend the horsethief/head-shrinker has fucked off back to the Happy Hunting Grounds, we can go back to discussing more important things. How would a United States of Europe have to deal with law ? I, for one, would love to get rid of Napoleonic Law and see what we can take (in the case of the "Dutch States") from old Roman-Dutch, Germanic common law.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Now that our friend the horsethief/head-shrinker has fucked off back to the Happy Hunting Grounds, we can go back to discussing more important things. How would a United States of Europe have to deal with law ? I, for one, would love to get rid of Napoleonic Law and see what we can take (in the case of the "Dutch States") from old Roman-Dutch, Germanic common law.Im going to bed. But its not because its 3:44 am. Good night tim tim.

[KMack]

I wasnt talking about what Id do with you. We were talking about the consistancy of the statement " europe for europeans, asia for asians, africa for africans" stay on topic. I know its difficult

I have some news for you. There are over 1 billion people in the Americas and the majority of the DNA is European......African is probably 2nd.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I have some news for you. There are over 1 billion people in the Americas and the majority of the DNA is European......African is probably 2nd.

Going to bed, discuss tomorrow man who pisses at cementaries.

[The Lawspeaker]

Dutch newspaper Trouw offered some interesting (https://www.trouw.nl/home/in-het-europa-van-freddy-heineken-scheidt-niemand-zich-af~a82c33f4/) perspectives (https://us.hideproxy.me/go.php?u=8KNvHy9IgLzREXzGLapbrhDBizDXYB89xgcHlSrmg 6p%2FSmy21FFXYpBQML7e3vrhkXtGPSmo7Hw7el4t%2Bd8IQ7m 6&b=5) on borders and decentralization.

[Magnolia]

I wasnt talking about what Id do with you. We were talking about the consistancy of the statement " europe for europeans, asia for asians, africa for africans" stay on topic. I know its difficult

Look, you argument is nonsense. The Native civilization was destroyed - The European civilization should be destroyed too. What the hell. Yes, their civilization was destroyed long time ago, it is sad, but it is like that. We live in 2018 and The European civilization still exists and we want to survive.

[frankhammer]

No surprise to see Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin in this thread repeating the same words over again as he's done in other threads during the last few years. He's a low level troll and it would be best to ignore him and focus on the topic at hand.

[KMack]

Going to bed, discuss tomorrow man who pisses at cementaries.

More cultural appropriation.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

America for Amerindians!!!!!!

https://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2018/03/11/AP_18023599960762_c0-274-4614-2964_s885x516.jpg?c6c0d504f20c5f75ae2500fca0b53c19 e20b372d

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

This is how it should work: if your culture sucks, you deserve to be conquered. I don't weep for cultures that sacrifice humans and ate them (Aztecs) or stones people for 'sorcery' (Saudia Arabia).

[Tooting Carmen]

I support the EU (or some form of European unity, at any rate) for utilitarian reasons: basically, European countries are stronger together when it comes to matters of trade and diplomacy. This is especially true in order to properly compete with the US, China and possibly other big/emerging countries like Russia, India, Mexico and Brazil. However, there are two big myths about Europe that I strongly dislike:

(1) European countries are overwhelmingly liberal and/or well-governed. At least in the UK, it is mostly the Left that believes this myth. This is despite the rise of populists (mainly right-wing, but some left-wing too) across the Continent, and the fact that corruption levels in many Southern and Eastern European countries are closer to those of Latin America and even parts of Africa than to Scandinavia.

(2) Europeans all look the same, can all pass as natives in each others' countries, and large-scale mixing between them won't alter the different ethnic groups' phenotypes much. While I agree that Northern and Central Europeans for the most part look pretty similar to each other, such a claim becomes totally untenable when Southern Europe is included in the picture too. (Except for Slovenia and Croatia, but both culturally and phenotypically they're more Central than Southern European anyway).

[Black Panther]

I quoted this for the cringe.

I dont care if you own your estate.
I already proposed my own ideal rules.
If you understood or followed. I wasnt argueing my point of view but merely using magnolias and your logic against you to show how hypocritical it was. Because its not consistant and doesn't hold up

I dont have to leave the americas. I have native DNA. And I am a direct decendant. One of my grandfathers was indo mestizo also. I have his photo. My arguement was native and native decendended people should stay. White people go back to europe. Or how else would europe be for europeans? Asia for asians ect.

I also have Native ancestors. I get citizenship.

[Black Panther]

What loss? You never made a consistant arguement. Merely rambled about pissing on graves and owning a estate. Like that proves your argument is consistant.

I am still waiting for his arguments on overpopulation, but he's quick on his fingers to divert from the topic at hand and start talking about random shit.

[KMack]

I am still waiting for his arguments on overpopulation, but he's quick on his fingers to divert from the topic at hand and start talking about random shit.

Are you guy that is going to sterilize India and China or something. Good luck.

[TeutonicBoyars]

"Sounds good, bros. I'm all for it. Where's the new meet-up place? Is it Rome? Pls get back to me ASAP on that." - John

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[alnortedelsur]

(2) Europeans all look the same, can all pass as natives in each others' countries, and large-scale mixing between them won't alter the different ethnic groups' phenotypes much. While I agree that Northern and Central Europeans for the most part look pretty similar to each other, such a claim becomes totally untenable when Southern Europe is included in the picture too. (Except for Slovenia and Croatia, but both culturally and phenotypically they're more Central than Southern European anyway).

Stop portraying southern Europeans as a "separate race" that is worlds apart in looks and pigmentation from other Europeans.

[Black Panther]

Are you guy that is going to sterilize India and China or something. Good luck.

How could one of your people have the guts to torture a 14-year old kid to death?

[Robocop]

Because Europeans colonized the Americas and Australia.

Europeans have the largest "living space" of all major races already.

Oh and Asia is not only for Asiatic people. There are millions of Russians and European Jews there.

Europeans even have outposts in South Africa.

Who did Poland enslaved outside of Europe? Or Estonia, or Czech Rep or Croatia or Switzerland or Norway etc...? Yet, somehow we should all accept non-europeans one day? "How nice".

And btw, you have example of Germany colonies in Africa (Cameroon for example) where Germans never molested those people but on the contrary, when Germans where there that country had it's peek in society and economy, 90% of Cameroon people will tell you this, I was reading about this.

[Robocop]

I am talking about a United States of Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Europe). Not the United States. How would such a federation even work ? Is there a working model ? How to conflict the various cultures and interests ? How to go around the fact that there are poor and rich "states" ?

United States of Europe would create an Empire where we would enslave and kill everyone around the world including whites outside of Europe, and we would do it in this fashion:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbsZRbwbJ4

LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!

Happy now with an answer? :D

[rein]

Are you going to deport me to somewhere in Europe? :rolleyes:

Somewhere? Only England would fit you best.

[Dragoon]

European unity under democracy is hard.
And by Europe I mean UK the inbetweens to Russia all included.

Outside of skin color, dont have much in common politically with Liberals, Social Democrats, Peoples Party, Conservative group is a bit not to my liking on foreign affairs.

How can it work? Even on immigration there are groups who actually want it.

[The Lawspeaker]

United States of Europe would create an Empire where we would enslave and kill everyone around the world including whites outside of Europe, and we would do it in this fashion:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbsZRbwbJ4

LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!

Happy now with an answer? :D

Lay off the booze, man !

[KMack]

Somewhere? Only England would fit you best.

I would like the pubs for sure.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

More cultural appropriation.I just like sleeping on beds.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-worlds-oldest-mattress-7513279/

[Decius]

There is no “European Identity”. Europe is a continent like Asia with different cultures and ethnic groups. It’s not eastern Europe’s problem that the west is getting flooded with arabs. The west is actually responsible for the refugees coming to there nations because they started wars in the Middle East in the first place and destroyed and bombed there countries.

[Valu]

There is no “European Identity”. Europe is a continent like Asia with different cultures and ethnic groups. It’s not eastern Europe’s problem that the west is getting flooded with arabs. The west is actually responsible for the refugees coming to there nations because they started wars in the Middle East in the first place and destroyed and bombed there countries.

According to you there is no European Identity but Eastern European Identity exists. You're very wrong.

[Decius]

According to you there is no European Identity but Eastern European Identity exists. You're very wrong.

Eastern European Identity doesn’t exist either. I was just saying that most eastern euro countries have nothing to do with the refugees coming in the west.

[Valu]

Eastern European Identity doesn’t exist either. I was just saying that most eastern euro countries have nothing to do with the refugees coming in the west.

Of course they do. One of the main refugees route to the West goes through The Balkan Peninsula.
https://www.europenowjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/image-1.jpg

Balkan always protected Europe and the West against non-European warriors. Now we have to observe that all the efforts of ancestors was useless.
What more the West requires from us to admit refugees into our countries.

[Decius]

Of course they do. One of the main refugees route to the West goes through The Balkan Peninsula.
https://www.europenowjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/image-1.jpg

Balkan always protected Europe and the West against non-European warriors. Now we have to observe that all the efforts of ancestors was useless.
What more the West requires from us to admit refugees into our countries.

They are just coming to our countries temporarily but they don’t stay there. They almost always go to the west.

[Valu]

They are just coming to our countries temporarily but they don’t stay there. They almost always go to the west.

In the past Western Europeans didn't wanted Jews in their countries. They drove them to the East as well as Gypsies. Not only during the history but also not long time ago:
https://www.thelocal.de/20101014/30499

Now their strategy is the same, they want to drive refugees away from their countries to Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, .................

[Decius]

In the past Western Europeans didn't wanted Jews in their countries. They drove them to the East as well as Gypsies. Not only during the history but also not long time ago:
https://www.thelocal.de/20101014/30499

Now their strategy is the same, they want to drive refugees away from their countries to Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, .................

They will never succeed because refugees don’t want to go to Eastern Europe. Also most westerners are leftist and want refugees in there country.

[Jana]

European identity ofcourse exists , lol . Just there is no intra-European solidarity between European nations.

[Peterski]

What do you guys think about this study?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?265243-All-Europeans-are-distant-cousins-if-you-go-back-just-1500-years-scientists-say

[Loki]

What do you guys think about this study?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?265243-All-Europeans-are-distant-cousins-if-you-go-back-just-1500-years-scientists-say

It's logical.

[Decius]

What do you guys think about this study?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?265243-All-Europeans-are-distant-cousins-if-you-go-back-just-1500-years-scientists-say

Sharing a 32nd great grandparent does not mean anything and is not signifigant at all when it comes to DNA.

[Decius]

European identity ofcourse exists , lol . Just there is no intra-European solidarity between European nations.

There is no collective european identity. Europe is a continent like Asia with vastly different cultures and ethnic groups.

[Jana]

There is no collective european identity. Europe is a continent like Asia with vastly different cultures and ethnic groups.

There is. If you were born in Europe you'd know it.

[Decius]

There is. If you were born in Europe you'd know it.

Nah, We are much different then anglos and western euros, even you know that cmon youve said it yourself.

[Jana]

Nah, We are much different then anglos and western euros, even you know that cmon youve said it yourself.

So what ? Croats defended and freed European lands from Ottomans toghder with other European nations, there is so much connections between various European countries.
I feel entire Europe as my habitat, not just Croatia or Hungary. We don't feel that towards Asia or Africa, so yes there is European identity.

[Valu]

Eastern European Identity doesn’t exist either. I was just saying that most eastern euro countries have nothing to do with the refugees coming in the west.

According to studies all Europeans feel their regional identity first of all. For example Bavarians feel the Bavarian identity first then the German identity then probably a Germanic identity (it means they feel close to Austrians, maybe Belgians) not that much to Norwegians or Italians. They accept them more then Eastern Europeans because Norwegians are rich in their eyes, but their cultures are still different.

You're forgetting that modern Europeans states were created only 100 years ago. Europe isn't a cultural homogeneous unit. On the other hand all Europeans share the same cultural roots and they're quite similar to each other due to history. Stereotypes still divide us. A friend of mine absolved a program of study in Switzerland. People there were surprised that we know microwave and electric kettle. Sad. To be open to different cultures can change this. I'm pretty sure that a German in a personal contact with for example a Romanian will find out very soon that Romanians aren't aliens to Germans.

Of course that European Identity exists. Just some proud Western Europeans can't not accept that for example Eastern Europeans are Europeans too and that they share Europe and cultural similarities to them. It's called egoism.

[Wrong]

Most of these White nationalists never had sex with a White woman in the first place.