Moroccan Amazigh Ancestry DNA Results

[Leto]

She says many North Africans identify as white and she was told she was white when she was a child. LOL :lol:

50% North Africa
20% Middle East
16% Iberian Peninsula
6% European Jewish
5% Senegal
2% Congo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52poF8rJatc&t=262s

[Smeagol]

She looks white to me.

[Jana]

It is understandable, because she grew up in country inhabited by mulattos, quardoons and full Blacks.
People need to understand the context, compared to Sub Saharans she is white.

[Leto]

It is understandable, because she grew up in country inhabited by mulattos, quardoons and full Blacks.
People need to understand the context, compared to Sub Saharans she is white.
She actually grew up in Canada...

[Jana]

She actually grew up in Canada...

Okay. I don't see negroid features on her even if she scores SSA like all North Africans.

[Leto]

Okay. I don't see negroid features on her even if she scores SSA like all North Africans.
I agree but North Africans are not white collectively, since they are not part of European civilization by any stretch. To be honest, most even look pretty brown.

[Marmara]

Most MENAs except Arabians do identify White actually. Arabs historically considered themselves Brown, Greeks and Iranians Pink.

It's not OWDism they are obviously not black and they are "whiter" than Arabians or Indians which makes them think they are white.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

She's super attractive. We should hang out.

[Chaos One]

I agree but North Africans are not white collectively, since they are not part of European civilization by any stretch. To be honest, most even look pretty brown.

Yeah, but I doubt someone at street would say Zinedine Zidane isn't white by pure looking, for example.

Most Coastal Berbers pass as white until asked. Mostly because 99% think white is all about colour skin, not ethnical heritage. If your skin is white, you're white.

Of course that don't apply if you're brown skinned like most North Africans.

[Hälge]

76.3% North african
18.4% Iberian
4.4% Italian
0.9% Nigerian


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLu-z64wSao

[Drygva]

https://preview.ibb.co/eEvLc9/image.jpg (https://ibb.co/dgLmH9)

[Gründig]

https://preview.ibb.co/eEvLc9/image.jpg (https://ibb.co/dgLmH9)

:picard2:

[Marmara]

https://preview.ibb.co/eEvLc9/image.jpg (https://ibb.co/dgLmH9)

Georgians are White, it's official :D

[Chaos One]

Georgians are White, it's official :D

HAHAHAHA I was going to say that. Nice to know that people from Dagestan and all North Caucasus are officially white. I'm happy.

[Leto]

Yeah, but I doubt someone at street would say Zinedine Zidane isn't white by pure looking, for example.

Most Coastal Berbers pass as white until asked. Mostly because 99% think white is all about colour skin, not ethnical heritage. If your skin is white, you're white.

Of course that don't apply if you're brown skinned like most North Africans.
I don't think MOST coastal Berbers look white either. France is full of Algerian and Tunisian Berbers and they don't pass as white in the vast majority of cases. Those countries are like 20% SSA on average and also have a lot of 'Red Sea' admixture.

[Leto]

HAHAHAHA I was going to say that. Nice to know that people from Dagestan and all North Caucasus are officially white. I'm happy.
Dagestan is way lighter than any place in North Africa. Georgia is too, which is by the way a predominantly Orthodox Christian (hence Byzantine-influenced) country.

[Chaos One]

I don't think MOST coastal Berbers look white either. France is full of Algerian and Tunisian Berbers and they don't pass as white in the vast majority of cases. Those countries are like 20% SSA on average and also have a lot of 'Red Sea' admixture.

Well, I can't say if most or not overall speaking. I mean, it's hard to say how much of those immigrants are in fact Berbers and how much of them are in fact Coastal Berbers. IMO the majority aren't Berbers per se, but people with North African/Red Sea/SSA mix - which people tend to call Arabized Berbers. People with full Kabylie/Riffian background are somewhat rare to find even in Morocco/Algeria. And well, Tunisia hardly has Berbers overall speaking, so most of them in Europe are typical "Arabized Berbers" - those with influential SSA/Red Sea.

Then, I would dare to say Moroccans/Algerians/Tunisians with 20%+ SSA can't fit as Coastal Berbers at all - they can be Soussa or Zenaga for example (hardly), but tend to be Arabized Berbers/Common people. And yes, they are the bulk of NA immigration.

[Chaos One]

Dagestan is way lighter than any place in North Africa. Georgia is too, which is by the way a predominantly Orthodox Christian (hence Byzantine-influenced) country.

I agree, but most people in TA will disagree. I'm not that radical about what's white or not. Heck, I'm not even white.

[Leto]

Well, I can't say if most or not overall speaking. I mean, it's hard to say how much of those immigrants are in fact Berbers and how much of them are in fact Coastal Berbers. IMO the majority aren't Berbers per se, but people with North African/Red Sea/SSA mix - which people tend to call Arabized Berbers. People with full Kabylie/Riffian background are somewhat rare to find even in Morocco/Algeria. And well, Tunisia hardly has Berbers overall speaking, so most of them in Europe are typical "Arabized Berbers" - those with influential SSA/Red Sea.

Then, I would dare to say Moroccans/Algerians/Tunisians with 20%+ SSA can't fit as Coastal Berbers at all - they can be Soussa or Zenaga for example (hardly), but tend to be Arabized Berbers/Common people. And yes, they are the bulk of NA immigration.
ALL results from Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria I have seen on the net had a double digit amount of African. There was a guy here, AtlantoMediterranean or something like that, his GEDmatch results are all over the place. He is half Moroccan and half Belgian I think and around 10% SSA.

[Leto]

I agree, but most people in TA will disagree. I'm not that radical about what's white or not. Heck, I'm not even white.
Disagree with what? The fact that the Caucasus is lighter than North Africa? It's rather an open-and-shut issue, in my opinion.

[Chaos One]

ALL results from Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria I have seen on the net had a double digit amount of African. There was a guy here, AtlantoMediterranean or something like that, his GEDmatch results are all over the place. He is half Moroccan and half Belgian I think and around 10% SSA.

Yes, but how much will pass into Taxonomy? I agree someone with 25% SSA will have obvious traits, but if we use some 12,5% line as some people agree, most Coastal Berbers fit it (being less than 12,5%) and most will have just some specific traits only perceptible by people who study it or care about it. Normal people would let it go.

Someone even put a result here on this topic about a Algerian Berber with less than 1% SSA.


Disagree with what? The fact that the Caucasus is lighter than North Africa? It's rather an open-and-shut issue, in my opinion.

Disagree they are white.

[Drygva]

Georgians are White, it's official :D
Map is not perfect :)

[Leto]

Yes, but how much will pass into Taxonomy? I agree someone with 25% SSA will have obvious traits, but if we use some 12,5% line as some people agree, most Coastal Berbers fit it (being less than 12,5%) and most will have just some specific traits only perceptible by people who study it or care about it. Normal people would let it go.

Someone even put a result here on this topic about a Algerian Berber with less than 1% SSA.
I don't believe such North Africans exist until I see actual DNA results with photos.


Disagree they are white.
Dagestan is Muslim, so they are not to me. Georgia is better, since it's not Muslim, however they are not European either. BUT they are usually not brown. A sizeable portion has light hair and eyes. North Caucasians get like 20-25% North European on GEDmatch, no North Africans would come even close to that.

[Drygva]

HAHAHAHA I was going to say that. Nice to know that people from Dagestan and all North Caucasus are officially white. I'm happy.
European = / = white. Only Northern, part of Central and Eastern Europe is white Europe. :thumb001:

[Chaos One]

I don't believe such North Africans exist until I see actual DNA results with photos.

Well, while they can have or not, like I said it's impossible to see SSA traits on Zidane or Idir, for example. They are good examples of Coastal Berbers/Kabylie. Maybe they have 12,5%+ SSA, but not on taxonomy - so normal people wouldn't label them Brown.


Dagestan is Muslim, so they are not to me. Georgia is better, since it's not Muslim, however they are not European either. BUT they are usually not brown. A sizeable portion has light hair and eyes. North Caucasians get like 20-25% North European on GEDmatch, no North Africans would come even close to that.

Of course North Caucasians would fit as white more than a common North African. No doubt about it.

[Drygva]

Disagree they are white.
You will pass in Serbia and Bulgaria

[Chaos One]

You will pass in Serbia and Bulgaria

Oh well...I prefer not to agree with that. You're not the 1st one saying that, anyway.

[Leto]

Well, while they can have or not, like I said it's impossible to see SSA traits on Zidane or Idir, for example. They are good examples of Coastal Berbers/Kabylie. Maybe they have 12,5%+ SSA, but not on taxonomy - so normal people wouldn't label them Brown.



Of course North Caucasians would fit as white more than a common North African. No doubt about it.
Yes, as a kid I thought Zidane was the only white guy in the France team made up of Negroes. Later I found out he was not European either...
http://actunet.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Zidane.jpg
By the way, he mixed with a Spanish woman, I wonder what his sons are like genetically.
http://www.gdnonline.com/gdnimages/20160117/20160117175412Elyaz-Zidane-Fernandez.jpg
https://images.successstory.com/img_people/family/620Xauto/zidane26_1462793759.jpg

In Brazil they would be absolutely white, I guess.

[Chaos One]

Yes, as a kid I thought Zidane was the only white guy in the France team made up of Negroes. Later I found out he was not European

https://images.successstory.com/img_people/family/620Xauto/zidane26_1462793759.jpg

In Brazil they would be absolutely white, I guess.

This boy in the middle would be labeled as Mestiço because his eyes. More like East Asian mestizo than native btw.

[Leto]

This boy in the middle would be labeled as Mestiço because his eyes. More like East Asian mestizo than native btw.
Yep, he is the odd one there. Don't know where those eyes could possibly come from. Neither Spain, nor Algeria has any Asian admixture whatsoever. Not even 1% on average.

He and his mom
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/veronique-zidane-and-theo-zidane-the-wife-and-son-of-real-madrids-picture-id962732956?s=612x612
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/veronique-zidane-and-theo-zidane-the-wife-and-son-of-real-madrids-picture-id962732952?s=612x612

[Drygva]

Yes, as a kid I thought Zidane was the only white guy in the France team made up of Negroes. Later I found out he was not European either...
http://actunet.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Zidane.jpg
In Brazil they would be absolutely white, I guess.
He looks like this guy. As a child, I thought he was French and now I think so. :D
https://preview.ibb.co/bWS2Pp/666.jpg (https://ibb.co/h3ESqU)

[happycow]

I don't think MOST coastal Berbers look white either. France is full of Algerian and Tunisian Berbers and they don't pass as white in the vast majority of cases. Those countries are like 20% SSA on average and also have a lot of 'Red Sea' admixture.

I've only known 2 North Africans, one Algerian and one Moroccan. The Algerian was quite fair skinned while the Moroccan woman I knew was a bit tanned. Maybe a similar complexion to mine. I have no other experience with NA people but the light skinned Algerian I assumed was not typical.

[Marmara]

I also knew only 2 North Africans, one Algerian one Moroccan. Algerian looked kinda "white" (although i wasn't paying attention to such stuff back then so i'm not sure how he looked like) but the Moroccan one clearly showed Negroid features with woolly hair and big lips.

[Chaos One]

Well, I went to Marrakech 4 years ago.

Most people are Brown skinned and I couldn't pass there; all the time people asking me where I'm from and that I was clearly a tourist.

Hence, some people here say I look like a Coastal Berber (I've Riffian background anyway). Some people say I look Balkan. Some people say I look Central Asian. Some people say I look Caucasian. And so goes on...so it's hard to know how is that.

[Asheffar]

Moroccan immigrants in france come from all parts of morocco ,whereas belgium and Netherlands its more northern riffian immigration

[Phenix]

The definition of whiteness differs from a part of the world to another, so don't be surprised to hear people in Maghreb calling her white.


He looks like this guy. As a child, I thought he was French and now I think so. :D
https://preview.ibb.co/bWS2Pp/666.jpg (https://ibb.co/h3ESqU)

I see what you did there.

[CommonSense]

Most MENAs except Arabians do identify White actually. Arabs historically considered themselves Brown, Greeks and Iranians Pink.

It's not OWDism they are obviously not black and they are "whiter" than Arabians or Indians which makes them think they are white.

In Serbian folk poetry Arabs were labelled as 'black'. One of the antagonists from our tales is called The Black Arab (Crni Arapin). Most Arabs are noticeably darker than this girl.

[Mingle]

In Serbian folk poetry Arabs were labelled as 'black'. One of the antagonists from our tales is called The Black Arab (Crni Arapin). Most Arabs are noticeably darker than this girl.

Is the term "black" also synonymous with "dark" in Serbian? In Pashto, we also say "black" to people whose skin isn't even close to black but they're just sorta dark. I also remember Mortimer saying that Serbs sometimes refer to Bulgars as "black Bulgar" (Crni Bugarin?).

[CommonSense]

Is the term "black" also synonymous with "dark" in Serbian? In Pashto, we also say "black" to people whose skin isn't even close to black but they're just sorta dark. I also remember Mortimer saying that Serbs sometimes refer to Bulgars as "black Bulgar" (Crni Bugarin?).

It is, actually. We never, ever use it to describe Bulgarians, I don't know where Mortimer heard that. Sometimes people use the term crni Ciganin or 'black Gypsy', in other occasions it's used to describe Turks too. I've even heard some folks refer to the refugees as black people - crni ljudi. Either way, it's used to describe somebody who is, for our standards, of very dark pigmentation...and it's not like we're nordics ourselves, so you can imagine that all of those people are quite dark indeed.

[Rgvgjhvv]

He looks like this guy. As a child, I thought he was French and now I think so. :D
https://preview.ibb.co/bWS2Pp/666.jpg (https://ibb.co/h3ESqU)

HAHA looks like Karl Pilkington

[Phenix]

HAHA looks like Karl Pilkington

He is a disgustful pig before everything else.

[ÁGUIA]

Outdated results, here's the real deal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ46A3c_0tI

Lucky gal, she's been sparkled by Gods themselves. 26% of divine intervention.

[dark-mysterio]

Well, I can't say if most or not overall speaking. I mean, it's hard to say how much of those immigrants are in fact Berbers and how much of them are in fact Coastal Berbers. IMO the majority aren't Berbers per se, but people with North African/Red Sea/SSA mix - which people tend to call Arabized Berbers. People with full Kabylie/Riffian background are somewhat rare to find even in Morocco/Algeria. And well, Tunisia hardly has Berbers overall speaking, so most of them in Europe are typical "Arabized Berbers" - those with influential SSA/Red Sea.

Then, I would dare to say Moroccans/Algerians/Tunisians with 20%+ SSA can't fit as Coastal Berbers at all - they can be Soussa or Zenaga for example (hardly), but tend to be Arabized Berbers/Common people. And yes, they are the bulk of NA immigration.


altrought the "arabized berbers" do exist i do not consider (my own opinion) than mostly of these arabophone maghrebi are arabized berbers

[Chaos One]

Outdated results, here's the real deal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ46A3c_0tI

Lucky gal, she's been sparkled by Gods themselves. 26% of divine intervention.

You know, I was talking with Yemeni just yesterday about it. I mean, it's clear some tests can give SSA to people by pure generical means since it seems when they can't decipher some material in a good way it goes to SSA. How someone was 7% SSA and now less than 1%? That's too much.

[ÁGUIA]

You know, I was talking with Yemeni just yesterday about it. I mean, it's clear some tests can give SSA to people by pure generical means since it seems when they can't decipher some material in a good way it goes to SSA. How someone was 7% SSA and now less than 1%? That's too much.

Don't know bro, I was just joking around. I'm not into the genetic stuff. I bumped into that video and recalled this thread. :D

Anyway having SSA is no crime, like some in here may think or feel. Be niggas my niggas, it's ok.

[Chaos One]

Don't know bro, I was just joking around. I'm not into the genetic stuff. I bumped into that video and recalled this thread. :D

Anyway having SSA is no crime, like some in here may think or feel. Be niggas my niggas, it's ok.

Yeah, I agree. I mean, the point is anykind of possible interest makes people feel dumb. Likely you pay for something but you can't have any pure confidence about the results at all.

[Centurion]

You know, I was talking with Yemeni just yesterday about it. I mean, it's clear some tests can give SSA to people by pure generical means since it seems when they can't decipher some material in a good way it goes to SSA. How someone was 7% SSA and now less than 1%? That's too much.

The previous results said she was 1-7% Senegalese, so, actually 4%. And 1% Cameroon/Congo. And below 5% they call that a "trace region" and don't guarantee that you truly have origin from this region. The updated results say she is 1% from Ivory Coast, not a so big difference.

It's possible that most part of what they initially believed was from Senegal eventually appeared to be from North Africa.

[Anglojew]

Pure Berbers are white