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The Ripper
04-07-2011, 09:41 AM
Somaliland, a de facto independent country located within what is internationally recognized as Somalia, is the subject of much Finnish influence. Many returnees from Finland have risen to prominent positions in Somaliland society.

Finland already had a good reputation in the country before refugees ended up in northern Europe. Journalist Wali Hashi found surprising evidence of Finnish influence while travelling in the country recently.

Hashi, a Somali-born Finn [:mad:], drove to a coastal town a couple of hundred kilometres from the capital, Hargeisa. On his trip, he found a sign warning against travelling at sea because of pirates that was in three languages: Somali, English and Finnish. A bigger surprise was in store on his return journey.

”We came to a small village, and believe it or not the name of the place was ’Suomen kylä’ (Finnish village),” says Hashi. “The whole village’s name was Finland!”

The villagers had given their village the name ’Finland’, because the village’s water supply infrastructure had been built by Finns in the 1980s.
”When I interviewed the villagers, they said that they loved Finland,” adds Hashi.

Democracy Learnt From Finland

Somaliland’s Finland-positive attitude took Hashi by surprise, although he already knew that Finnish Somalis were in prominent positions in Somaliland society.

The parliament’s spokesman and the rector of Hargeisa University are both Finnish citizens, for example, and one of Somaliland’s biggest political parties – Faisal Ali Warabe’s Justice and Welfare party – was born in Helsinki.

Hashi believes that the Finnish experience helped Somaliland avoid a bitter civil war similar to that engulfing the Ivory Coast following last summer’s presidential election. Warabe, who lives in Espoo to the west of Helsinki, accepted his defeat when he came second in the vote.

”One interesting thing Warabe said was that he did not want war or conflict,” says Hashi. “He just wants democracy, which he learnt in Finland.”

Returnees Proud of Their Finnishness

Many of the returnees want to preserve their Finnish culture, he says.
“I’ve spoken to children with their mothers and fathers, and they’ve told me that they are really proud of their identity,” says Hashi.

Hashi, recently named the 2011 'New Citizen of Turku', moved to Finland when he was 17 years old, and is one of the few Finnish Somalis to find work in the Finnish media. He has previously produced stories on pirates in Somalia for YLE, among other topics.

YLE (http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/04/journalist_finds_village_called_finland_in_somalil and_2496402.html)

What I don't quite understand is why no international recognition is given to Somaliland when it actually has the semblance of a state.

Magister Eckhart
04-07-2011, 12:28 PM
What I don't quite understand is why no international recognition is given to Somaliland when it actually has the semblance of a state.

Judging by the article, it's probably because the only people responsible for there being any semblance of a state are all Europeans (as is, after all, generally the case in Africa - make the Negroes the sole responsible party and you won't have a country for much longer).

The Ripper
04-09-2011, 03:18 PM
Judging by the article, it's probably because the only people responsible for there being any semblance of a state are all Europeans (as is, after all, generally the case in Africa - make the Negroes the sole responsible party and you won't have a country for much longer).

What in the article gives you the notion that Somaliland is a European creation?

Loki
04-09-2011, 03:23 PM
Judging by the article, it's probably because the only people responsible for there being any semblance of a state are all Europeans (as is, after all, generally the case in Africa - make the Negroes the sole responsible party and you won't have a country for much longer).

No, it is "Finns" of Somali origin who went back to Somalia and spread the influence of the culture they learnt of in Finland. Not ethnic Finns.

Magister Eckhart
04-10-2011, 12:23 AM
What in the article gives you the notion that Somaliland is a European creation?

More the impression that it's because of European influence that it was possible. The Somalis responsible were all European-trained in Europe, am I not correct?

Loddfafner
04-10-2011, 12:44 AM
Definitely more encouraging than finding a village called Mogadiscio in the outskirts of Turku.

The Ripper
04-10-2011, 10:20 AM
Definitely more encouraging than finding a village called Mogadiscio in the outskirts of Turku.

Mogadishu Avenue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogadishu_Avenue)

Motörhead Remember Me
04-10-2011, 03:45 PM
Hashi, recently named the 2011 'New Citizen of Turku', moved to Finland when he was 17 years old, and is one of the few Finnish Somalis to find work in the Finnish media. He has previously produced stories on pirates in Somalia for YLE, among other topics.



I saw this documentary and it was quite good, actually. It gave a good wrap up about the root causes for the Somali piratism.

Motörhead Remember Me
04-10-2011, 03:49 PM
No, it is "Finns" of Somali origin who went back to Somalia and spread the influence of the culture they learnt of in Finland. Not ethnic Finns.

This is what should be ultimate goal when admitting refugees/amnestees. It's a step forward when they are properly trained and go back to work for their land. Maybe their work will carry fruit and less Somalis need to leave Somalia.