Do you agree with my thought?

[Teutone]

Do you agree with my thought: Competition and rivalry resulted in more achievements than cooperation and friendship?

All of the great technological and civilization-related achievements came trough war and competition between great powers

Because the possibility to not keep up to date with your enemies and try to become stronger in all kind of aspects could quickly end up with you being invaded.

I think the conflicts and multiple ethnicities made the European race so superior in combat and lead to us colonize most of this planet.

Therefor globalism or Pan-Europeanism are totally counter productive.

[Benyzero]

It's the way of history and life after all. That would be naive to say that it hasn't had an impact on improvement.

[Teutone]

It's the way of history and life after all. That would be naive to say that it hasn't had an impact on improvement.

I think it is always a improvement in any aspect.

For example the main reason why the free market crushed the socialist planned economy.

I think if we get rid of corporatism and fully embrace the Austrian school of economy like in the first years after WW2 we would see a boost in technological advances and spread of wealth again

Or another example

The prestige of who will be the first on the moon or in space between the Soviet Union and the United states boosted the achievements incredibly, they wouldnt achieve anything like that without the competition.

[Rædwald]

Yes I think it's self evident that competition drive innovation.

[Benyzero]

I think it is always a improvement in any aspect.

For example the main reason why the free market crushed the socialist planned economy.

I think if we get rid of corporatism and fully embrace the Austrian school of economy like in the first years after WW2 we would see a boost in technological advances and spread of wealth again

Or another example

The prestige of who will be the first on the moon or in space between the Soviet Union and the United states boosted the achievements incredibly, they wouldnt achieve anything like that without the competition.

Good examples

[Teutone]

Yes I think it's self evident that competition drive innovation.

Why people keep pushing for the exact opposite these days?

inclusivism, equality, cooperation etc are all phrases regularly spread

Here in germany they made the whole school system inclusive instead of exclusive or killing the free market and competiton by subsidies

The competition of thoughts and ideas also is under attack by PC culture

[Casanova]

Yes.

[de Burgh II]

I would say its quite natural and instinctual to human nature. As you said very succinctly, it is rivalry and competition that drives innovation, technological prowess and undisputed power that brings prosperity to one's country. That inevitably crushes and silences one's enemies when it comes to countries deadlocking against one another for supremacy. Its human nature to be territorial and have in-group favoritism when it come's to one's interests, culture and its people.

As they say, "The winners make history."

[Rædwald]

Why people keep pushing for the exact opposite these days?

inclusivism, equality, cooperation etc are all phrases regularly spread

Here in germany they made the whole school system inclusive instead of exclusive or killing the free market and competiton by subsidies

The competition of thoughts and ideas also is under attack by PC culture

It's basically because of political correctness. Yes.

[Selurong]

I agree. Competition leads to progress.

[Roflmao]

It's actually pretty hard to judge objectively given that the history of Europe and mankind in general is almost always one of competition and rivalry.

Sure the the first half of the XXth Century saw many progress in technology and such, but at the same time this competition led to 2 catastrophic wars (yeah we can blame the jews and such for the 2 world wars, but in the end it happens because tensions between the European and others nations existed.)

Personally I would rather have a peaceful world and slower technological progress than a world in a permanent state of war which would maybe result in many technological advancement.

Also think about it: Negroes were at war among each other during all their "history" (if we can call what happened in most of africa before the colonial era history) yet never managed to invent the wheel. So competition is not the guarantee that your civilization will be prosperous.

That say, i'm not for globalism or even pan-europeanism though, as they are ultimately project to benefit only some people , and that I don't want to see niggers, gooks, muhammadan, pajeet, wetbacks and others weird people in my neighborhood for purely cosmetic reason.

[Thorns]

Interesting, I very rarely see or hear people mention Austrian economics (of which I advocate).

Most people don't seem to realize how interventions have distorted things over the years, and incorrectly understand the problems, and the potential solutions.

[Daugakrit]

I agree that competition is necessary for healthy development of both people and nations, but war is an unfortunate byproduct of petty principles and greed. Honestly, I'd rather compete with other Europeans in a healthy manner while the fools spill blood amongst themselves over in MENA and etc. Violence should be carried out only in self defense, be it territorial or ideological.

Edit: Checked the date and it appears that we have a new Bobby clone.

[cyberlorian]

Do you agree with my thought: Competition and rivalry resulted in more achievements than cooperation and friendship?

All of the great technological and civilization-related achievements came trough war and competition between great powers

Because the possibility to not keep up to date with your enemies and try to become stronger in all kind of aspects could quickly end up with you being invaded.

I think the conflicts and multiple ethnicities made the European race so superior in combat and lead to us colonize most of this planet.

Therefor globalism or Pan-Europeanism are totally counter productive.

Actually it depends on how we define friendship. I believe, two or more nations can be friends of each other but also rivals of each other. In my opinion, rivalry is not all was being friends. Yes, competition and rivalry brings success but I do not think friendship would decrease it.

[Duffmannn]

Most important inventions in the XX century were possible thanks to IIWW and Cold War.

[The Blade]

Competition leads to improvement in every sphere.

[Joso]

lol nope.
Europe would not be anything without that well known people that didn't even originate from there...
Everything good Europe has is thanks to them.
And trying to connect the Austrian school with Nationalist ideas is totally contradictory, btw.

[Gründig]

lol nope.
Europe would not be anything without that well known people that didn't even originate from there...
Everything good Europe has is thanks to them.
And trying to connect the Austrian school with Nationalist ideas is totally contradictory, btw.

Who might this be?

[Joso]

Who might this be?

Take a guess.

[Gründig]

Take a guess.

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[JamesBond007]

Do you agree with my thought: Competition and rivalry resulted in more achievements than cooperation and friendship?

All of the great technological and civilization-related achievements came trough war and competition between great powers

Because the possibility to not keep up to date with your enemies and try to become stronger in all kind of aspects could quickly end up with you being invaded.

I think the conflicts and multiple ethnicities made the European race so superior in combat and lead to us colonize most of this planet.

Therefor globalism or Pan-Europeanism are totally counter productive.

Dude, it's almost impossible to return to those days of hyper-competition. For instance, the rivals of France and the U.K. have similar amounts of nuclear war heads and the same is true for Russia and the United States.



Mutual(ly) assured destruction (MAD) is a doctrine of military strategy and national security policy in which a full-scale use of nuclear weapons by two or more opposing sides would cause the complete annihilation of both the attacker and the defender (see pre-emptive nuclear strike and second strike).[1] It is based on the theory of deterrence, which holds that the threat of using strong weapons against the enemy prevents the enemy's use of those same weapons. The strategy is a form of Nash equilibrium in which, once armed, neither side has any incentive to initiate a conflict or to disarm.

The term "mutual assured destruction" was coined by Donald Brennan, a strategist working in Herman Kahn's Hudson Institute in 1962.[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

[Daco Celtic]

I don't buy the premise because the two aren't mutually exclusive. You could argue the cooperative nature of traditional Japanese or even Germanic culturals is a big part of their success.

[mitalit]

Yes, life is sadly unfair and progress comes from tough situations

[calxpal]

Yes, I definitely agree but I think cooperation and friendship can be good for certain types of achievements.

[Daco Celtic]

I don't buy the premise because the two aren't mutually exclusive. You could argue the cooperative nature of traditional Japanese or even Germanic culturals is a big part of their success.

Great point dude. This list is filled with cooperative societies.

You can see the countries with the highest quality of life below.
Netherlands — 88.65. ...
Norway — 88.70. ...
Sweden — 88.80. ...
Switzerland — 88.87. ...
Australia — 89.13. ...
Denmark — 89.39. ...
Canada — 89.49. ...
Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Scandinavian nations have the highest standard of living, and now Finland has made it official.

[Teutone]

I don't buy the premise because the two aren't mutually exclusive. You could argue the cooperative nature of traditional Japanese or even Germanic culturals is a big part of their success.

There is no cooperative nature in Germany, not sure about Japan.

The greatest success story was our car industry in a constant competition leading to groundbreaking advancments, even now when most car brands are owned by the volkswagen group, they make sure the competition keeps going.

Our biggest retail stores saturn and media markt are owned by the same guy, the last thing he would do is merge them together, he appoints ceos for each company and let them be in a constant battle.

Apples success story? Steve Jobs genius idea of appointing engineer teams completely separated from eachother in a constant competition even within the company.

[Teutone]

I don't buy the premise because the two aren't mutually exclusive. You could argue the cooperative nature of traditional Japanese or even Germanic culturals is a big part of their success.

There is no cooperative nature in Germany, not sure about Japan.

The greatest success story was our car industry in a constant competition leading to groundbreaking advancments, even now when most car brands are owned by the volkswagen group, they make sure the competition keeps going.

Our biggest retail stores saturn and media markt are owned by the same guy, the last thing he would do is merge them together, he appoints ceos for each company and let them be in a constant battle.

Apples success story? Steve Jobs genius idea of appointing engineer teams completely separated from eachother in a constant competition even within the company.

[Mortimer]

Yes indeed this is even the principle of the free market economy