Albania - Croatia relationship

[ShenGjergj]

Albanians and especially Albanians from Ex-Yu should stop supporting or consider Croatia as brother or friend nation. Albanians are not friends with slavic nations.

Croatians have lot of prejudices towards the Albanians and dislike them most of the time.

[pelikarski]

Just be like Bulgarians and do not make false friendships. Everyone hates everyone on the Balkans

[Jana]

Albanians and especially Albanians from Ex-Yu should stop supporting or consider Croatia as brother or friend nation. Albanians are not friends with slavic nations.

Croatians have lot of prejudices towards the Albanians and dislike them most of the time.

You should stop bitching about Croats for no reason. Albanians are certanly not hated here, and they live in peace with rest of society.
Don't forget first Albanologist in Europe was Croat Milan Sufflay, ungrateful troll.

[Moje ime]

Great idea. :thumb001:

[Jana]

Just be like Bulgarians and do not make false friendships. Everyone hates everyone on the Balkans

Leave us outside of Balkanic hatred. It is certanly not true.

[Wrong]

They say Croatians have two faces(and two brains).

:lightbul:

[ShenGjergj]

Just be like Bulgarians and do not make false friendships. Everyone hates everyone on the Balkans

Exactly!

Imagine this Croatians even dislike "Janjevci" because they are croats from Kosovo. They even dislike their own people because surronded by Albanian people and albanians as usually being sheep and idiots like the croatians and create fake friendhship or even worse brotherhood lol.

[ShenGjergj]

Great idea. :thumb001:

Opinions from serbs is irrevelant thought.

[CommonSense]

Same with Bosniaks and Albanians. They are brothers and all is well and fine, hating the Serbs together, until one of them starts talking about who is descended from Illyrians :rofl_002:

[Wrong]

Just be like Bulgarians and do not make false friendships. Everyone hates everyone on the Balkans
The wisest post in here.

[ShenGjergj]

Same with Bosniaks and Albanians. They are brothers and all is well and fine, hating the Serbs together, until one of them starts talking about who is descended from Illyrians :rofl_002:

I never heard about the Albanian-Bosniak brotherhood thought even amongst muslims.

[Insuperable]

K.

[Run-time]

Everyone hates each other, it's an ass :D

[Jana]

Nobody ever mentioned brotherood with Albanians, just good relations. But you seem to hate us. Well, fuck off.

Janjevci are disliked because they are prone to crime and because they carry knifes everywhere. People are afraid of them.

[ShenGjergj]

Nobody ever mentioned brotherood with Albanians, just good relations. But you seem to hate us. Well, fuck off.

Janjevci are disliked because they are prone to crime and because they carry knifes everywhere. People are afraid of them.

No hate my dear, just seeing the reality. Albanians are the one hated in Croatia. Albanians are the ones creating brotherhood with Croats and i'm trying to make them open their eyes and look at the reality.

[Jana]

No hate my dear, just seeing the reality. Albanians are the one hated in Croatia. Albanians are the ones creating brotherhood with Croats and i'm trying to make them open their eyes and look at the reality.

Do you live in Croatia ? :laugh:

[ShenGjergj]

Do you live in Croatia ? :laugh:

No i don't, but just have read and talk to some Albanians who are living in Croatia.

[Wrong]

True. The remaining Catholic Albanians in Croatia are getting discriminated and assimilated slowly for 600 years...

[Jana]

No i don't, but just have read and talk to some Albanians who are living in Croatia.

I work with Albanian, so I know better than you. You are troll.

[Jana]

True. The remaining Catholic Albanians in Croatia are getting discriminated and assimilated slowly for 600 years...

This is biggest lie I have ever read from you.

[ShenGjergj]

True. The remaining Catholic Albanians in Croatia are getting discriminated and assimilated slowly for 600 years...

The only old Albanian catholic families that are living in Zagreb are still respected more or less because they consider themselves croat, support Croatia all the way, fought for the home land etc..

Other Albanians mostly from Ex-Yu who moved to Croatia pre or past war are hated most of the time and even the ones who came as volunteers in the war are not enough respected.

[Wrong]

This is biggest lie I have ever read from you.
No, but just have read and talk to some Albanians who are living in Croatia.

[Mingle]

Same with Bosniaks and Albanians. They are brothers and all is well and fine, hating the Serbs together, until one of them starts talking about who is descended from Illyrians :rofl_002:

Really? Don't they both (at least Bosniaks) agree that both of them are descended from Illyrians?

I remember seeing them get into an argument over who Sanjak should belong to though.

[Wrong]

Albanians did help the Croatians during the Yugo wars. Croatians did not return their favor.

[Jana]

No, but just have read and talk to some Albanians who are living in Croatia.

I don't care what you read. Arbanasi were never discriminated in history, but they did assimilate. Their language and traditions are respected.
You are ungrateful Balkanite trolling ethnic group that never did any wrong to your people in history.

Piss off.

[Jana]

Albanians helped Croatians during the Yugo wars. Croatians did not return their favor.

Yes we did. Croatian volounteers and doctors helped in time of war in Kosovo, and we recognized that country.

[ShenGjergj]

Albanians helped Croatians during the Yugo wars. Croatians did not return their favor.

You can't blame Croatians for not fighting they also had lot of death and injured people, destroyed cities etc.. They didn't want to make war anymore.

@Jana . we aren't trolls, we are looking at the reality, maybe the relations Albanian-Croatian were better in late 90's early 2000's because of same interest but nowadays it's not the case anymore.

[Jana]

Albo trolls, I don't care for your pathological hatred for Serbs or Macedonians. Leave us out of it.
If you hate all Slavs, you are indeed sick.

[Root]

you Balkanites should wipe out all your past disappointments & ethnic hatred and make a great Balkan brotherhood.. you're all neighbors after all. Just saying

[Jana]

You can't blame Croatians for not fighting they also had lot of death and injured people, destroyed cities etc.. They didn't want to make war anymore.

@Jana . we aren't trolls, we are looking at the reality, maybe the relations Albanian-Croatian were better in late 90's early 2000's because of same interest but nowadays it's not the case anymore.

Political relations are excellent. But if you look at everyday people relations, it varies from person to person.
One thing is certain, you won't face discrimination because of your origin. If you are not a criminal, there is nothing to worry about.

[ShenGjergj]

Albo trolls, I don't care for your pathological hatred for Serbs or Macedonians. Leave us out of it.
If you hate all Slavs, you are indeed sick.

I dislike indoctrinated Romanians or Greeks much more than Croatians or Bulgarians.

[Wrong]

There is no need to get mad.

It is simply a discussion, nothing else.

[Jana]

My business partner is from Kosovo. How is he discriminated ? He is rich lawyer and respected man. Even though he is actually Gorani, but with Albanised surname and everybody consider him Albanian.

[CommonSense]

Really? Don't they both (at least Bosniaks) agree that both of them are descended from Illyrians?

I remember seeing them get into an argument over who Sanjak should belong to though.

Not really, the difference in physical appearance makes it obvious that they don't share common ancestry. Altough, yes, Sanjak has become a major source of dispute between them.

[ShenGjergj]

My business partner is from Kosovo. How is he discriminated ? He is rich lawyer and respected man. Even though he is actually Gorani, but with Albanised surname and everybody consider him Albanian.

But yourself you might have nothing wrong against Albanians, it's cool, thank you. But we are talking about General opinions.

[Voskos]

Croats are basically Slavized Albanians.

[Pribislav]

I work with Albanian, so I know better than you. You are troll.

I thought that he is Gorani?

[Pribislav]

I never heard about the Albanian-Bosniak brotherhood thought even amongst muslims.

Brotherhood between Albanians and Bosniaks is promoted by Sandžaklije.
Because Sandžaklije are bosniakized Albanians. They declared themselves as Bosniaks, but they are aware of their Albanian origin.

[Jana]

I thought that he is Gorani?

Yes he is. But his surname is Albanian. In Croatia nobody knows about Gorani.

[Pribislav]

Yes he is. But his surname is Albanian. In Croatia nobody knows about Gorani.

Gorani are not Albanians.
They feels closer to Serbs, Bulgarians, Bosniaks, Macedonians and maybe even to Turks than to Albanians.
Many people across former Yugoslavia confuse Gorani with Albanians. Sister of my paternal grandfather was married for Gorani man, and all members of my family earlier call him Šiptar (Albanian). They throught that Gorani are some branch of Albanians.

[Jana]

Gorani are not Albanians.
They feels closer to Serbs, Bulgarians, Bosniaks, Macedonians and maybe even to Turks than to Albanians.
Many people across former Yugoslavia confuse Gorani with Albanians. Sister of my paternal grandfather was married for Gorani man, and all members of my family earlier call him Šiptar (Albanian). They throught that Gorani are some branch of Albanians.

Well they are very religious muslims, way more religious than Bosniaks if his family is good representative of Gorani.

[Pribislav]

Well they are very religious muslims, way more religious than Bosniaks if his family is good representative of Gorani.

Husbant of my aunt-grandma was comunist and non-religious.
When my grandfather was in Gora in his village, he said that they have muslim customs. For example one woman wanted to wash feet to my grandfather, and he did not alow that.
My aunt-grandma and her Gorani husband lived in Belgrade. Their son had muslim name, his name was Mirsad.
Most of people in Belgrade with Albanian surnames are Gorani and Ashkali. Number or real Albanian is very small.

[Jana]

Husbant of my aunt-grandma was comunist and non-religious.
When my grandfather was in Gora in his village, he said that they have muslim customs. For example one woman wanted to wash feet to my grandfather, and he did not alow that.
My aunt-grandma and her Gorani husband lived in Belgrade. Their son had muslim name, his name was Mirsad.
Most of people in Belgrade with Albanian surnames are Gorani and Ashkali. Number or real Albanian is very small.

Interesting. But also they are very honor concerned, that is similarity to Albanians. I have got the intention if my business partner was caught cheating his wife who is also Gorani, her brothers would murder him.

[Mingle]

Gorani are not Albanians.
They feels closer to Serbs, Bulgarians, Bosniaks, Macedonians and maybe even to Turks than to Albanians.
Many people across former Yugoslavia confuse Gorani with Albanians. Sister of my paternal grandfather was married for Gorani man, and all members of my family earlier call him Šiptar (Albanian). They throught that Gorani are some branch of Albanians.

Who did they support in the Kosovo dispute, the Albanian separatists or the Serbian government?

[Pribislav]

Interesting. But also they are very honor concerned, that is similarity to Albanians. I have got the intention if my business partner was caught cheating his wife who is also Gorani, her brothers would murder him.

Yes, they are have similar customs, traditions and worldview as Albanians.
Gorani husband of my aunt-grandma was strict, dominant, chief in the house, but honest and honorable.

[Jana]

Yes, they are have similar customs, traditions and worldview as Albanians.
Gorani husband of my aunt-grandma was strict, dominant, chief in the house, but honest and honorable.

I can say the same for my business partner. Most honorable man I know.

[Pribislav]

I can say the same for my business partner. Most honorable man I know.

Gorani were islamized late, in 18th century.
They celebrate some Orthodox holidays. Their national holiday is Đurđevdan ("Den Đuren").


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu30o1_lIYQ&t=255s

[Pribislav]

Who did they support in the Kosovo dispute, the Albanian separatists or the Serbian government?

Vast majority of Gorani are for Kosovo in Serbia. When NATO bombarded SRJ 1999 response to mobilization in Serbian army in Gora region where Gorani live was 100%.
A lot of Gorani were killed by Albanian UÇK because they were loyal to Serbia and against Albanian separatism.
More Gorani today live in Belgrade and Vojvodina than in their native Gora region in southern Kosovo.

[CommonSense]

Who did they support in the Kosovo dispute, the Albanian separatists or the Serbian government?

They supported the Serbian cause and many of them had to flee afterwards because the Albanian oppresion became unbearable. That's the reason why so many Goranis live in Serbia today. They are the only Balkan muslims who have always been friendly with Serbs and we with them (so much for Bosniensis' crap about our blind hatred towards everything muslim).

[HERK]

Croatians were never our allies, i can consider them friends maybe but thats all, if they lived where Serbs live then we would have been enemies with them instead of Serbs, on the other hand Gorani rats should be deported to Belgrade, i remember a few years ago one of their villages had lost connection with the rest because of heavy snow and the kosovo army sent so many soldiers to go and help them,give them good and water but you could still see they were ungratful rats, didn't even see one of them say thank you in Albanian, they deserve to be sent to serbia.

[Skerdilaid]

Gorani are not Albanians.
They feels closer to Serbs, Bulgarians, Bosniaks, Macedonians and maybe even to Turks than to Albanians.
Many people across former Yugoslavia confuse Gorani with Albanians. Sister of my paternal grandfather was married for Gorani man, and all members of my family earlier call him Šiptar (Albanian). They throught that Gorani are some branch of Albanians.
Gora is not a pure region ethnically speaking, Albanian families did enter their villages and integrated into their communities.


I assume by Albanian last names you folks mean Turkish, religious (Islamic) last names?

[Geni]

Albania hat with Croatia the better relations as with other balkanians...what want you from them more as this ?:crazy:.