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Vojnik
09-12-2018, 08:36 AM
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Vojnik
09-12-2018, 08:38 AM
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well, almost all of women can pass in Croatia but men look less familiar to me.
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 08:41 AM
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pelikarski
09-12-2018, 08:42 AM
SW Bulgaria best fit
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 08:44 AM
https://www.worldatlas.com/img/locator/city/014/1442018-bitola-locator-map.jpg
Bitola is 88% Ethnic Macedonian.
pelikarski
09-12-2018, 08:46 AM
https://www.worldatlas.com/img/locator/city/014/1442018-bitola-locator-map.jpg
Bitola is 88% Ethnic Macedonian.
There is a stereotype in Bulgarian that women in Bitola particularly are quite beautiful.
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 08:47 AM
There is a stereotype in Bulgarian that women in Bitola particularly are quite beautiful.
Among Macedonians the same stereotype applies.
Moje ime
09-12-2018, 08:52 AM
Bulgaria
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 08:54 AM
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Crn Volk
09-12-2018, 09:28 AM
My ancestral town. Both sides of my family are from there. I can see one of my nephews in one of those pics.
Casanova
09-12-2018, 09:33 AM
Romania and Bulgaria.
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 09:47 AM
here and very well
Putting politics aside, and looking at genetics and phenotypes, Macedonians, Romanians and Bulgarians are the same people pretty much.
Putting politics aside, and looking at genetics and phenotypes, Macedonians, Romanians and Bulgarians are the same people pretty much.
yes, i know. I also get bulgarian or macedoanian on first place on every gedmatch calculators.
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 09:54 AM
yes, i know. I also get bulgarian or macedoanian on first place on every gedmatch calculators.
Same here. I get Romanian first.
Can you show your Eurogenes K13?
Single Population Sharing:
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Romanian
3.05
2
Bulgarian
3.5
3
Serbian
6.65
4
Greek_Thessaly
9.42
5
Moldavian
12.95
6
Tuscan
14.02
7
North_Italian
14.63
8
Hungarian
14.72
9
Italian_Abruzzo
14.93
10
Croatian
15.63
11
Central_Greek
16.02
12
West_Sicilian
16.69
13
Austrian
16.97
14
East_Sicilian
17.18
15
Ashkenazi
19.03
16
East_German
19.09
17
French
19.47
18
West_German
19.82
19
Portuguese
19.98
20
South_Italian
20.26
Same here. I get Romanian first.
u get romanian and i get macedonian? lol
Livin
09-12-2018, 09:59 AM
Bulgaria,Albania and Romania
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 10:01 AM
u get romanian and i get macedonian? lol
Yes. But Eurogenes K13 doesn't have a Macedonian sample.
yes, i know. I also get bulgarian or macedoanian on first place on every gedmatch calculators.
How common is your look in Bulgaria and Macedonia ?
Yes. But Eurogenes K13 doesn't have a Macedonian sample.
but it has bulgarian
Aspar
09-12-2018, 10:03 AM
Same here. I get Romanian first.
Can you show your Eurogenes K13?
Single Population Sharing:
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Romanian
3.05
2
Bulgarian
3.5
3
Serbian
6.65
4
Greek_Thessaly
9.42
5
Moldavian
12.95
6
Tuscan
14.02
7
North_Italian
14.63
8
Hungarian
14.72
9
Italian_Abruzzo
14.93
10
Croatian
15.63
11
Central_Greek
16.02
12
West_Sicilian
16.69
13
Austrian
16.97
14
East_Sicilian
17.18
15
Ashkenazi
19.03
16
East_German
19.09
17
French
19.47
18
West_German
19.82
19
Portuguese
19.98
20
South_Italian
20.26
Where from your grandfather's and grandmother's are?
I have quite a few Gedmatch kits of people from Bitola and they have a little bit different results than yours!
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 10:03 AM
How common is your look in Bulgaria and Macedonia ?
From the pic i can see of her, she passes easy.
How common is your look in Bulgaria and Macedonia ?
i don't know...probably not very common..the distance i get to the first population is quite big in general. i'm more easten shifted then most balkanites
i don't know...probably not very common..the distance i get to the first population is quite big in general. i'm more easten shifted then most balkanites
To me you have Circassian vibe. :P
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 10:06 AM
Where from your grandfather's and grandmother's are?
I have quite a few Gedmatch kits of people from Bitola and they have a little bit different results than yours!
Mostly originate from the Lerin/Florina region of Northern Greece. But my Paternal side are recent arrivals to the Bitola region, and originating from Lerin region.
In what way are they different?
To me you have Circassian vibe. :P
yeah...everyone says that lol
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 10:23 AM
To me you have Circassian vibe. :P
Why did you change our name to Jana?
Why did you change our name to Jana?
My dog is ill and her name is Jana. I changed it to support her recovery :)
Casanova
09-12-2018, 12:22 PM
My dog is ill and her name is Jana. I changed it to support her recovery :)
That's interesting. My name is also Jana.
Tommie
09-12-2018, 12:26 PM
No, Romanians are not the same people as Bulgarians and Macedonians, what's up with people insisting on that?
That's interesting. My name is also Jana.
aren't you a man ???
Casanova
09-12-2018, 12:28 PM
aren't you a man ???
I don't know :shrug:
oszkar07
09-12-2018, 12:30 PM
Bulgaria,Serbia,Romania
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 12:54 PM
No, Romanians are not the same people as Bulgarians and Macedonians, what's up with people insisting on that?
Genetically not that different.
Look at the plotting charts.
Nurzat
09-12-2018, 01:07 PM
Putting politics aside, and looking at genetics and phenotypes, Macedonians, Romanians and Bulgarians are the same people pretty much.
totally agree. one population speaking two different languages (or 4 if you consider Moldovan and Macedonian separate). we should fucking unite the 4 countries xD
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 01:12 PM
totally agree. one population speaking two different languages (or 4 if you consider Moldovan and Macedonian separate). we should fucking unite the 4 countries xD
Capital in Skopje, Bucharest, Sofia or Kishinev?
Capital in Skopje, Bucharest, Sofia or Kishinev?
we make a federation :lol:
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 01:22 PM
we make a federation :lol:
East Balkan Federation.
http://i68.tinypic.com/20tlz0j.png
We shall rule.
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 01:26 PM
Una Faccia Una Razza.
I hope your East Balkan federation will be less violent and bloody than Western Balkan one was.
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 01:29 PM
The triangle of doom. Macedonians+Romanians+Bulgarians.
http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/wp-content/blogs.dir/461/files/2012/04/i-bc3d339b8cbadcdd7eee9c628d505e9e-genmap1.jpg
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 01:31 PM
I hope your East Balkan federation will be less violent and bloody than Western Balkan one was.
I think so. Strong Majority is Orthodox Christian. The problem with the western one was it had all different religions and denominations involved.
Nurzat
09-12-2018, 01:34 PM
Capital in Skopje, Bucharest, Sofia or Kishinev?
best by the sea, maybe Varna
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 01:35 PM
best by the sea, maybe Varna
Yeah. We will change it up abit.
Kamal900
09-12-2018, 01:49 PM
A mixture between Greek and Danubian phenotypes from Bulgaria and Romania.
Tommie
09-12-2018, 02:18 PM
Genetically not that different.
Look at the plotting charts.
Could you check out this thread? I am interested to hear your opinion. :)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257905-Southern-Transylvanian-Romanians
Could you check out this thread? I am interested to hear your opinion. :)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257905-Southern-Transylvanian-Romanians
Transylvania is kinda multi-ethnic :P
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 02:26 PM
Could you check out this thread? I am interested to hear your opinion. :)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257905-Southern-Transylvanian-Romanians
The people i posted don't pass in Romania in your opinion?
Tommie
09-12-2018, 02:32 PM
Transylvania is kinda multi-ethnic :P
99% of these people are Romanian, I checked. The pics were taken in Pădurea Dumbrava, which is a place for locals, outside of Sibiu, so also no foreigners.
The people i posted don't pass in Romania in your opinion?
Yes, they do. In groups they pass best in Southeastern Romania, imo.
Tommie
09-12-2018, 02:33 PM
-double post-
Sp_loa
09-12-2018, 02:34 PM
well, almost all of women can pass in Croatia but men look less familiar to me.
To me they don’t look very different from Greeks...
To me they don’t look very different from Greeks...
Northern Greeks you mean ? Yeah
99% of these people are Romanian, I checked. The pics were taken in Pădurea Dumbrava, which is a place for locals, outside of Sibiu.
Of course they do, in groups they pass best in Southeastern Romania, imo.
i believe that but many people in Transylvania are mixed. u can see that in their genetic make-up :) they are different then the rest of us. It's true. same case with Republic of Moldova. They are also romanians but they mixed a lot all this time..so genetically they are pretty different today
JosephK
09-12-2018, 02:37 PM
Isn't Bitola a major population center of Vlachs in Macedonia? Would that explain the resemblance you guys are seeing between Romanians, Bulgarians, and Macedonians? I guess I haven't known enough Romanians to see the connection...
I had a great time in Bitola, as I have everywhere in Macedonia, would love to get back there again...
Sp_loa
09-12-2018, 02:39 PM
Northern Greeks you mean ? Yeah
As a group Northern Greek because some show Slavic features , but some can pass as Southerners. More Meds than I expected , especially some darker women.
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 02:39 PM
To me they don’t look very different from Greeks...
Well northern Greeks of Slavic and Vlach ancestry are the same as the people in the Republic of Macedonia.
As a group Northern Greek because some show Slavic features , but some can pass as Southerners. More Meds than I expected , especially some darker women.
Idk, but in Croatia women are darker than men and more native Balkan looking at least in my town. Or maybe because women have softer features so they look less distinct then men.
These Macedonian men have different vibe than Croatian men, but women do pass.
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 02:43 PM
Isn't Bitola a major population center of Vlachs in Macedonia? Would that explain the resemblance you guys are seeing between Romanians, Bulgarians, and Macedonians? I guess I haven't known enough Romanians to see the connection...
I had a great time in Bitola, as I have everywhere in Macedonia, would love to get back there again...
You are thinking of Krusevo. But of course Bitola has had a Vlach presence through history.
Great that you went to Bitola. What made you go? It's not really that much of a popular tourist destination.
Sp_loa
09-12-2018, 02:44 PM
Idk, but in Croatia women are darker than men and more native Balkan looking at least in my town. Or maybe because women have softer features so they look less distinct then men.
These Macedonian men have different vibe than Croatian men, but women do pass.
Opposite here. Women in my country and in my family look more European than Men (with European Ancestry). So in my family- you can find MENA looking men, not women. Women tend to have lighter skin tone as well, at least here.
JosephK
09-12-2018, 02:47 PM
You are thinking of Krusevo. But of course Bitola has had a Vlach presence through history.
Great that you went to Bitola. What made you go? It's not really that much of a popular tourist destination.
I went for an archaeology field school, but I deliberately chose one in Macedonia. I had spent time in the Balkans back in 1995, and always wanted to get back. I've managed to visit Skopje a few more times, but haven't got back to Bitola. I honestly love Macedonia, it's too bad more tourists don't know about it, but then again, I wouldn't want it to be ruined by tourism, either!
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 02:51 PM
I went for an archaeology field school, but I deliberately chose one in Macedonia. I had spent time in the Balkans back in 1995, and always wanted to get back. I've managed to visit Skopje a few more times, but haven't got back to Bitola. I honestly love Macedonia, it's too bad more tourists don't know about it, but then again, I wouldn't want it to be ruined by tourism, either!
Yeah it's great that its a quiet destination to go. You can find secluded places and truly be one with nature.
I hope you have tried Ohrid too. :)
pelikarski
09-12-2018, 02:54 PM
Isn't Bitola a major population center of Vlachs in Macedonia? Would that explain the resemblance you guys are seeing between Romanians, Bulgarians, and Macedonians? I guess I haven't known enough Romanians to see the connection...
I had a great time in Bitola, as I have everywhere in Macedonia, would love to get back there again...
Whole Macedonia is a Vlach hotspot
Vojnik
09-12-2018, 03:01 PM
Whole Macedonia is a Vlach hotspot
Unique to Macedonia or is this the case with most Balkan countries?
Crn Volk
09-12-2018, 11:44 PM
East Balkan Federation.
http://i68.tinypic.com/20tlz0j.png
We shall rule.
Yes
Crn Volk
09-12-2018, 11:50 PM
Isn't Bitola a major population center of Vlachs in Macedonia? Would that explain the resemblance you guys are seeing between Romanians, Bulgarians, and Macedonians? I guess I haven't known enough Romanians to see the connection...
I had a great time in Bitola, as I have everywhere in Macedonia, would love to get back there again...
Vlachs are a small minority in Bitola region.
Sikeliot
09-12-2018, 11:51 PM
They pass better in mainland Greece than Sicilians do.
Robocop
09-12-2018, 11:53 PM
Damn, this night club photos (Sikeliot's idea) will become a science for itself lol :D.
Anyway, IMO they pass best in Bosnia, Bulgaria, Serbia...and somewhat Southern Croatia.
P.S. You should have placed poll man.
Pribislav
09-13-2018, 01:16 AM
https://www.worldatlas.com/img/locator/city/014/1442018-bitola-locator-map.jpg
Bitola is 88% Ethnic Macedonian.
Today yes.
But Bitola has a high amount of assimilated Vlachs.
Crn Volk
09-13-2018, 01:28 AM
Today yes.
But Bitola has a high amount of assimilated Vlachs.
These are the historic settlements of Vlachs in Bitola region and all of Macedonia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Aromanian_settlements_in_the_Republic_of_ Macedonia
Most of them are now empty ghost towns, owing to their remoteness and poverty. Alot of Vlachs in the past were pro-Greek also, and during the Macedonian struggle (and after the Balkan wars) fled to Greece. Many have also assimilated into ethnic Macedonians.
One of the most prominent Vlachs from this region (Nižepole) is Jovan Vranishkovski, head of the Serbian-backed 'Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric', which has a hand-full of followers. He draws his support from the Serbian and Greek Orthodox Churches. I guess things just never change ;)
Pribislav
09-13-2018, 01:34 AM
These are the historic settlements of Vlachs in Bitola region and all of Macedonia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Aromanian_settlements_in_the_Republic_of_ Macedonia
Most of them are now empty ghost towns, owing to their remoteness and poverty. Alot of Vlachs in the past were pro-Greek also, and during the Macedonian struggle (and after the Balkan wars) fled to Greece. Many have also assimilated into ethnic Macedonians.
One of the most prominent Vlachs from this region (Malovište) is Jovan Vranishkovski, head of the Serbian-backed 'Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric', which has a hand-full of followers. He draws his support from the Serbian and Greek Orthodox Churches. I guess things just never change ;)
Jovan Babunski was a Vlach serboman from Macedonia, or just Macedonian serboman? :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLBfpSsWVX4
Crn Volk
09-13-2018, 01:38 AM
Jovan Babunski was a Vlach serboman from Macedonia, or just Macedonian serboman? :)
Makes sense
Pribislav
09-13-2018, 01:43 AM
Makes sense
Not to me.
His real name was Jovan Stojković, clearly Serbian name and surname https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Babunski#Early_life
Vlachs in Macedonia in that time had Vlach names/sunames as it was Pitu Guli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitu_Guli
Crn Volk
09-13-2018, 01:52 AM
Not to me.
His real name was Jovan Stojković, clearly Serbian name and surname https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Babunski#Early_life
Vlachs in Macedonia in that time had Vlach names/sunames as it was Pitu Guli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitu_Guli
Depends on the Vlachs. Like the Macedonians themselves, names, church, education depended on whether they followed the Partiarchate, Exarchate or Serbian Churches (and associated schools, Cheti etc).
Petros Houhoulis
09-13-2018, 02:53 AM
My ancestral town. Both sides of my family are from there. I can see one of my nephews in one of those pics.
How long should I wait before you start claiming that your family originates in Greece???
Vojnik
09-13-2018, 03:52 AM
How long should I wait before you start claiming that your family originates in Greece???
You won't because his family doesn't. I know it annoys you that my family originates from Northern Greece.
But it's not as if Crn Volk originates far from northern Greece anyway. Just down the road from the border. :)
Plus the ancient city, built by King Phillip, says hi.
http://www.exploringmacedonia.com/content/images/Heraclea/large/Heraclea%20by%20Mario%20Sharevski.jpg
http://helenmilesmosaics.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/IMG_1295.jpg
catgeorge
09-13-2018, 04:01 AM
Tatars claiming to be Macedonian sickens me to the stomach.
Vojnik
09-13-2018, 04:04 AM
Ignore catgeorge. He is a sick man.
Crn Volk
09-13-2018, 04:07 AM
Arvanites, Vlachs & Slavs claiming to be Greeks sickens me to the stomach.
Fixed
Vojnik
09-13-2018, 04:08 AM
I believe Macedonians have their own unique look as a whole. Different from it's neighbours.
Vojnik
09-13-2018, 04:09 AM
Fixed
The worst is Pontians claiming to be "Greek Macedonian". That is by far the most sickening.
Sikeliot
09-13-2018, 04:14 AM
The worst is Pontians claiming to be "Greek Macedonian". That is by far the most sickening.
They are far more Caucasian and Mesopotamian (with very little actual "Greek" ancestry) than Macedonians and Bulgarians are Slavic. In fact they may have less Greek ancestry than some Balkan Slavs.
Also, not sure if you knew this but some of the people entering Greece as Pontic Greeks, were Armenians who pretended to be Greek to escape the Armenian genocide and/or the Turks. Which obviously suggests they had to have looked alike, before Pontians in Greece mixed with native mainlanders.
Impaler
09-13-2018, 04:19 AM
Same here. I get Romanian first.
Can you show your Eurogenes K13?
Single Population Sharing:
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Romanian
3.05
2
Bulgarian
3.5
3
Serbian
6.65
4
Greek_Thessaly
9.42
5
Moldavian
12.95
6
Tuscan
14.02
7
North_Italian
14.63
8
Hungarian
14.72
9
Italian_Abruzzo
14.93
10
Croatian
15.63
11
Central_Greek
16.02
12
West_Sicilian
16.69
13
Austrian
16.97
14
East_Sicilian
17.18
15
Ashkenazi
19.03
16
East_German
19.09
17
French
19.47
18
West_German
19.82
19
Portuguese
19.98
20
South_Italian
20.26
My K13 results are very close to Macedonians. Probably comes from my grandfather.
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 11.18
2 Romanian 11.28
3 Greek_Thessaly 12
4 Serbian 13.83
5 Italian_Abruzzo 14.86
6 Central_Greek 16.31
7 Tuscan 16.42
8 West_Sicilian 17.02
9 East_Sicilian 17.15
10 Ashkenazi 17.43
11 North_Italian 18.63
12 Moldavian 19.08
13 South_Italian 19.59
14 Hungarian 19.69
15 Croatian 21.68
16 Austrian 22.04
17 West_German 23.12
18 French 23.3
19 Sephardic_Jewish 23.54
20 Italian_Jewish 23.92
Coolguy1
09-13-2018, 04:23 AM
Most wouldnt fit as typical in the Peloponnese. They look like Greeks mixed with Central Europeans.
Livin
09-13-2018, 04:29 AM
They are far more Caucasian and Mesopotamian (with very little actual "Greek" ancestry) than Macedonians and Bulgarians are Slavic. In fact they may have less Greek ancestry than some Balkan Slavs.
Also, not sure if you knew this but some of the people entering Greece as Pontic Greeks, were Armenians who pretended to be Greek to escape the Armenian genocide and/or the Turks. Which obviously suggests they had to have looked alike, before Pontians in Greece mixed with native mainlanders.
Armenians didn’t come with Pontians or they didn’t pretend that they were Pontians.
Pontians mixed only with some Laz people because some of them preferred to stay christians than being muslims like the others.
IMO neither Pontians and neither Slavomacedonians have any real greek ancestry.
Pontians are native hellenized anatolians and yes as you said we are mostly caucasians.But these fyromanians are a mix of thraco-illyrians and slavs.
Livin
09-13-2018, 04:30 AM
The worst is Pontians claiming to be "Greek Macedonian". That is by far the most sickening.
Pontians never claimed we are macedonians quit trolling.
Petros Houhoulis
09-13-2018, 04:30 AM
East Balkan Federation.
http://i68.tinypic.com/20tlz0j.png
We shall rule.
Daydreaming again silly? And violating the Prespa agreement as usual eh? Well, let me tell you something, your silly shenanigans won't lead anywhere. The Albanians are still projected to become 1/3 of your fiefdom and you are still projected to be barely above 1/2 in your own fiefdom. There are by far more chances of you joining Albania in the future...
Papastratosels26
09-13-2018, 04:34 AM
Pontians never claimed we are macedonians quit trolling.This. I don't understand why hate the Pontiac Greeks so much LOL
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Petros Houhoulis
09-13-2018, 04:38 AM
Well northern Greeks of Slavic and Vlach ancestry are the same as the people in Makedonishtan.
That would be impossible since the majority of the south Slavs are not of Slavic or Vlach ancestry, but descendants of Thracians, Paeonians, Triballians and what not...
Livin
09-13-2018, 04:38 AM
This. I don't understand why hate the Pontiac Greeks so much LOL
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Because we live in real Macedonia land even if we are not macedonians from genetics side!
Pontians love Macedonia and we see this land as our new home.We never claimed that we are alexander’s the great sons...
Livin
09-13-2018, 04:40 AM
That would be impossible since the majority of the south Slavs are not of Slavic or Vlach ancestry, but descendants of Thracians, Paeonians, Triballians and what not...
As you said and i agree fully!
A mix of arrival slavs witch they assilimated paeonian tribes.They are close with bulgars,albanians,vlachs etc.
Petros Houhoulis
09-13-2018, 04:41 AM
Yes
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Map_of_minorities_in_the_Republic_of_Macedonia_by_ municipality.png
Yes, yes!
Papastratosels26
09-13-2018, 04:41 AM
Αρρωστημένα μυαλά, προσωπικά δεν ενοχλούμε με αυτούς ίσα ίσα με διασκεδάζουν :D
Because we live in real Macedonia land even if we are not macedonians from genetics side!
Pontians love Macedonia and we see this land as our new home.We never claimed that we are alexander’s the great sons...
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Petros Houhoulis
09-13-2018, 04:42 AM
I think so. Strong Majority is Orthodox Christian. The problem with the western one was it had all different religions and denominations involved.
Guess what? You have the same problem in your fiefdom, more than 1/3 is Muslim! You don't qualify to join a purely Orthodox superstate!!!
tekken999
09-13-2018, 04:55 AM
https://i.imgur.com/F8JTDqP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rT6AcXf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pQhz4V2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mYkEDcK.jpg
Petros Houhoulis
09-13-2018, 04:58 AM
You won't because his family doesn't. I know it annoys you that my family originates from Northern Greece.
But it's not as if Crn Volk originates far from northern Greece anyway. Just down the road from the border. :)
Plus the ancient city, built by King Phillip, says hi.
http://www.exploringmacedonia.com/content/images/Heraclea/large/Heraclea%20by%20Mario%20Sharevski.jpg
http://helenmilesmosaics.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/IMG_1295.jpg
I also say hello to the Greek inscriptions from Heraclea Lyncestis. Why don't you ask the resident archaeologist what was he digging for? Certainly not you...
https://scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/439951a552ef3f2ea7368c883b0c25c0/5C3AB560/t51.2885-15/e35/40165930_252980985354968_3034271108477073009_n.jpg
catgeorge
09-13-2018, 05:04 AM
Ignore catgeorge. He is a sick man.
You havent seen anything yet Asiatic Tatar trash
Crn Volk
09-13-2018, 05:10 AM
Because we live in real Macedonia land even if we are not macedonians from genetics side!
Pontians love Macedonia and we see this land as our new home.We never claimed that we are alexander’s the great sons...
Meanwhile Slavic Macedonians from that same land live in R.Macedonia, Bulgaria, Serbia and all over the world. Many are not allowed to return to see their homes, and those that do, see you guys living there. Get it?
Livin
09-13-2018, 05:14 AM
Meanwhile Slavic Macedonians from that same land live in R.Macedonia, Bulgaria, Serbia and all over the world. Many are not allowed to return to see their homes, and those that do, see you guys living there. Get it?
To see what?I live in Thessaloniki witch is a city created by Kassandrus.I am not Macedonian(neither you are) but here is the original homeland of ancient macedonians.And ofc Pella!!!!!
What you mean their home?Whos home?Your people are not macedonians.How many times we have to say it?
And because i am an honest person neither our folks here are 100% ancient macedonians, the majority of local greek macedonians here have slavic and vlach ancestry.
Papastratosels26
09-13-2018, 05:18 AM
To see what?I live in Thessaloniki witch is a city created by Kassandrus.I am not Macedonian(neither you are) but here is the original homeland of ancient macedonians.And ofc Pella!!!!!
What you mean their home?Whos home?Your people are not macedonians.How many times we have to say it?
And because i am an honest person neither our folks here are 100% ancient maceodnians.The majority of local greek macedonians here have slavic and vlach ancestry.Όλο αυτό τον χαμό τον κάνει επειδή δεν μπορεί να δει το σπίτι του. Λολ
Κάλλιστα θα μπορούσε να βγάλει μια ταξιδιωτική βίζα και να πάει να το επισκεφτη
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Livin
09-13-2018, 05:20 AM
Όλο αυτό τον χαμό τον κάνει επειδή δεν μπορεί να δει το σπίτι του. Λολ
Κάλλιστα θα μπορούσε να βγάλει μια ταξιδιωτική βίζα και να πάει να το επισκεφτη
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χαχα αυτοι να ξες θα μας μπουνε....θελουν τα εδαφη εδω περα!Τι νομιζεις οτι θεωρουν Μακεδονια το κολοχωρι τους?Αυτη την σκουλικοτρυπα...
Θελουν Θεσσαλονικη και Πελλα διοτι γνωριζουν οτι ειναι η καρδια της Μακεδονιας...
Papastratosels26
09-13-2018, 05:23 AM
χαχα αυτοι να ξες θα μας μπουνε....θελουν τα εδαφη εδω περα!Τι νομιζεις οτι θεωρουν Μακεδονια το κολοχωρι τους?Αυτη την σκουλικοτρυπα...
Θελουν Θεσσαλονικη και Πελλα διοτι γνωριζουν οτι ειναι η καρδια της Μακεδονιας...Ποιοι το 1,5 εκατομυριο εκ των όποιον οι μισοί είναι Αλβανοί? Αντιθέτως μάλιστα αυτοί φοβουντε.
Η Μακεδονία έχει περίπου 3 εκατομμύρια διπλάσια απ το πληθυσμό τον Σκοπίων.
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Crn Volk
09-13-2018, 05:33 AM
To see what?I live in Thessaloniki witch is a city created by Kassandrus.I am not Macedonian(neither you are) but here is the original homeland of ancient macedonians.And ofc Pella!!!!!
What you mean their home?Whos home?Your people are not macedonians.How many times we have to say it?
And because i am an honest person neither our folks here are 100% ancient macedonians, the majority of local greek macedonians here have slavic and vlach ancestry.
My people, what ever you want to call them, were uprooted from their homes in today's northern Greece, just as your people were uprooted from Asia Minor and brought to the area. You should understand the life of refugees.
Crn Volk
09-13-2018, 05:36 AM
Ποιοι το 1,5 εκατομυριο εκ των όποιον οι μισοί είναι Αλβανοί? Αντιθέτως μάλιστα αυτοί φοβουντε.
Η Μακεδονία έχει περίπου 3 εκατομμύρια διπλάσια απ το πληθυσμό τον Σκοπίων.
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Relax nobody is going to invade you.
Papastratosels26
09-13-2018, 05:38 AM
Relax nobody is going to invade you.I'm just relaxing right now with a broad smile in my face reading this post
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Livin
09-13-2018, 05:49 AM
My people, what ever you want to call them, were uprooted from their homes in today's northern Greece, just as your people were uprooted from Asia Minor and brought to the area. You should understand the life of refugees.
Your people are locals in your land nothing else.
You are a mix of arrival slavs and paeonian tribes(thraco-illyrians).
Ancient macedonians just had hellenized this place Paeonia thats all!
Vojnik
09-13-2018, 05:49 AM
Relax nobody is going to invade you.
These Griks have too much paranoia.
Vojnik
09-13-2018, 05:51 AM
Your people are locals in your land nothing else.
You are a mix of arrival slavs and paeonian tribes(thraco-illyrians).
Ancient macedonians just had hellenized this place Paeonia thats all!
What about the Slavic speakers of northern Greece? The Macedonians as they called themselves? Are they locals to northern Greece?
Papastratosels26
09-13-2018, 05:53 AM
Δέχεσαι μαζικά πυρά φίλε μου. XD
Your people are locals in your land nothing else.
You are a mix of arrival slavs and paeonian tribes(thraco-illyrians).
Ancient macedonians just had hellenized this place Paeonia thats all!
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Vojnik
09-13-2018, 05:54 AM
Guess what? You have the same problem in your fiefdom, more than 1/3 is Muslim! You don't qualify to join a purely Orthodox superstate!!!
It was a joke. I don't actually believe in a superstate. I was just pointing out the genetic similarity between Macedonians, Romanians and Bulgarians.
I believe Macedonia is fine as just Macedonia.
Livin
09-13-2018, 05:54 AM
What about the Slavic speakers of northern Greece? The Macedonians as they called themselves? Are they locals to northern Greece?
Depends whitch slavic speakers?
We have slavomacedonians and we have also the bulgars.
Slavomacedonians entered since byzantium ages...!
Bulgars assilimated during balkan wars and ww1....!
I never said that northern Greeks are 100% Macedonians.There is a huge slavic admixture here too!
And beside the slavic element both you and our northern greeks have also vlach roots.
Vojnik
09-13-2018, 05:57 AM
Pontians never claimed we are macedonians quit trolling.
Today, people with Pontian heritage who currently occupy native Macedonian homes, do claim that they are true "Macedonians". They are the ones marching in the protests.
Crn Volk
09-13-2018, 05:59 AM
Δέχεσαι μαζικά πυρά φίλε μου. XD
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Stick to your nation (what ever that is), remember.
Livin
09-13-2018, 06:00 AM
Today, people with Pontian heritage who currently occupy native Macedonian homes, do claim that they are true "Macedonians". They are the ones marching in the protests.
We never claimed ancient macedonians heritage!The old generations who doesn't know about genetics they think are Greeks like the rest of the other ethnic greek groups.
We have our traditions,our culture and our language.We also have a big rival with the locals,so stop saying this!
Pontians just saying they are Greeks.Never said we are ancient Macedonians!
Papastratosels26
09-13-2018, 06:05 AM
Stick to your nation (what ever that is), remember.I forgot that. My apologies
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Vojnik
09-13-2018, 06:19 AM
Anyway. Back on topic with the amazing Bitolcani. ;) People from the city King Phillip of Macedon built.
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41310769_1097760947039559_8330683863432953856_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=0e61d3a0ce6295f41d1643a709e04aef&oe=5C1F38BF
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41292290_1097760907039563_6085885430555738112_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=b00f36a124c8a79cf5bdcc237dadc33c&oe=5C1CCE77
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41430100_1097760853706235_7535405591234084864_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=1c6fc324cfdb004f5b2c23a026de59a5&oe=5C2E791B
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41306587_1097760783706242_8639264718051082240_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=f4bedbfcd8c187cf06ab13b41906aeac&oe=5C3AE357
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41395938_1097760733706247_4832092942510325760_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=69f1c2f24bd28aa24f1697e755e273cf&oe=5C27AADE
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41365635_1097760663706254_8301120160425574400_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=5c69bbaede6b530fd88c0ee6ad0ef13f&oe=5C18FB6C
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41231975_1097760600372927_7808079784818245632_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=ca5b723ffcd079fd143e9908581bcb9e&oe=5C2D79A9
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41244260_1097760490372938_6577965056338690048_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=c21a6adfe57c057c343b965410d41122&oe=5C31CA4B
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41330088_1097760483706272_1372209490924929024_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=49041d3044d926e228d558185428e3a6&oe=5C1B8FF4
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41325602_1097760363706284_5315426159452749824_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=abd60af89b64c819af26c1359876ffcf&oe=5C34767A
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41294291_1097760267039627_9013759877415174144_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=3fb36f05b0d41d080f7ff10bc12adcbf&oe=5BEFB587
Vojnik
09-13-2018, 06:23 AM
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41309135_1097760207039633_5965780595723206656_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=ba5d910387759a1a9350ed4f97e3d03c&oe=5C2EDB86
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41379697_1097760173706303_1220513204535296000_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=2052533f4562195a68ab3d96ecf40512&oe=5C2FA597
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41290261_1097760087039645_5498323789814956032_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=2d189277c2054ca82fdee3e0fa21e1aa&oe=5C25D4F7
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41396107_1097759980372989_9113799668717846528_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=90f6be74cf65c685b54ca68c6a9ad13f&oe=5C2D6429
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41444491_1097759867039667_6904040553998974976_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=e2f7edb7bc0e58ecb9c9893e88f2dfd5&oe=5C2ACA20
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-9/41345327_1097759820373005_5335919673215025152_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=4129edb1edb8714c08bef827bb5ad2da&oe=5C20C0DB
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41377031_1097759687039685_7542174859124539392_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=6161bcc4cd5abf3ac7bbcf00eb88ade3&oe=5BEE7964
Vojnik
09-13-2018, 06:23 AM
Very Ancient Macedonian here:
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41135325_1097013050447682_4237803458838659072_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=67fd963e64638679f82b157641e2effd&oe=5C1C9046
Livin
09-13-2018, 06:39 AM
Its 50-50%.
Some of them passes here easy,some definetly not!
Petros Houhoulis
09-13-2018, 07:26 AM
Meanwhile Slavic Makedonishtanis from the Pripyat marshes live in Makedonishtan, Bulgaria, Serbia and all over the world. Many are not allowed to return to see their homes, and those that do, see you guys living there. Get it?
Why, did anybody ban you from returning to the Pripyat marshes???
Petros Houhoulis
09-13-2018, 07:28 AM
My people, what ever you want to call them, were uprooted from their homes in today's northern Greece, just as your people were uprooted from Asia Minor and brought to the area. You should understand the life of refugees.
Your people were sent back to where they came from 1300 years earlier...
Petros Houhoulis
09-13-2018, 07:30 AM
East Balkan Federation.
http://i68.tinypic.com/20tlz0j.png
We shall rule.
These Greeks have too much paranoia.
Look who's talking, the fella who advertises Opium and... An east Balkan federation of sorts!!!
Petros Houhoulis
09-13-2018, 07:32 AM
What about the Makedonishtanis in Macedonia? The Dopii as they called themselves? Are they locals to northern Greece?
Some are assimilated Greeks, others are Slavic invaders from the Pripyat marshes...
Petros Houhoulis
09-13-2018, 07:34 AM
East Balkan Federation.
http://i68.tinypic.com/20tlz0j.png
We shall rule.
It was a joke. I don't actually believe in a superstate. I was just pointing out the genetic similarity between Makedonishtanis, Romanians and Bulgarians.
I believe Makedonishtan is fine as just Makedonishtan.
You should stop consuming opium, it makes you see weird things...
Petros Houhoulis
09-13-2018, 07:36 AM
Today, people with Pontian heritage who currently occupy Muslim homes of Muslims who fled to Turkey, do claim that they are true "Macedonians". They are the ones marching in the protests.
Actually not. All sorts of people are participating in the protests, including people who do not live or have origins in Macedonia. It is a national issue after all, and we show solidarity to each other.
I did participate in the protest of 1991, and I do not have Pontian blood...
Petros Houhoulis
09-13-2018, 07:37 AM
Anyway. Back on topic with the amazing Heraclea Lyncestis. ;) People from the city King Phillip of Macedon built...
...And Slavs stole from his descendants...
catgeorge
09-13-2018, 08:02 AM
Depends whitch slavic speakers?
We have slavomacedonians and we have also the bulgars.
Slavomacedonians entered since byzantium ages...!
Bulgars assilimated during balkan wars and ww1....!
I never said that northern Greeks are 100% Macedonians.There is a huge slavic admixture here too!
And beside the slavic element both you and our northern greeks have also vlach roots.
Huge? Shut the fuck up you ignorant imbecile I am sick of these idiots speaking on our behalf.
Vojnik
09-13-2018, 08:05 AM
Huge? Shut the fuck up you ignorant imbecile I am sick of these idiots speaking on our behalf.
Take a chill pill.
Czechen
09-13-2018, 08:08 AM
You are thinking of Krusevo. But of course Bitola has had a Vlach presence through history.
Great that you went to Bitola. What made you go? It's not really that much of a popular tourist destination.
Seems like everyone is missing the big elephant in the room here. Bitola, aka Manastir had a majority Albanian population mixed in with Vlach. Manastir, aka Bitola has played a major role in Albanian awakening as well as being the birthplace of the Albanian alphabet.
You can watch this documentary about all the crypto Albanians(Orthodox Albanians) of Manastir. Similar situation has occurred all over Macedonia(Especially Western Macedonia).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EgFTUhz46A
Interestingly, my best friend of 15 years is from Bitola aka Manastir. He is as far as Ive known him a patriotic Macedonian, until recently Ive found out that his fathers family spoke Albanian, while his mother Aromanian(aka Vlach). They were embarrassed to share this fact and only came out in a drunken event where I was speaking Albanian and they started answering in Albanian. Which was the most surprising thing Ive ever learned. Orthodox Albanian and Vlach population of these areas were under heavy Greek and Bulgarian assimilatory propaganda. Although the decline in Bitola/Manastir specifically is due to Serbian(Yugoslav) oppression of the Albanian language and identity.
As to the topic of the thread, I think they look local, They fit in Northern Greece, Bulgaria, or Albania.
Tommie
09-13-2018, 10:21 PM
i believe that but many people in Transylvania are mixed. u can see that in their genetic make-up :) they are different then the rest of us. It's true. same case with Republic of Moldova. They are also romanians but they mixed a lot all this time..so genetically they are pretty different today
Are you trying to say that Transylvanian Romanians are not real Romanians or what? They are just as Romanian as the rest of us, not less, not more. Same as in Italy, Northern Italians are just as Italian as Southerners are. Every region, including Transylvania, kept on been invaded by various people in the past, so i don't see how we would be "purer" than Romanians from Transylvania. No one is "pure" these days because no one is 100% Celtic, Roman, Italic or whatever. Also, half of the population lives in Transylvania. Some Transylvanian Romanians are mixed, especially in big cities, but even in Dobrogea which is more multiethnic than Transylvania is, mixing is still not a widespread phenomenon, since the ethnic minorities living there like to keep to themselves.
Livin
09-13-2018, 10:29 PM
Huge? Shut the fuck up you ignorant imbecile I am sick of these idiots speaking on our behalf.
Dude, i wanna be an objective person in every fucking sector.
Do you think i like to say that Pontians are not greeks or that northern greeks have huge slavic admixture?
No,i do not like it.But i have to be fair with everyone.....
Pribislav
09-13-2018, 10:30 PM
Bitola even today has singificant number of Vlachs.
School on Vlach language in Bitola
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46TpdVjeYyQ
Albanians are not only minority in Macedonia.
Macedonia is very heterogenous country: Macedonians, Albanians, Gypsies, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Serbs, Turks, Torbeši, Gorani...
catgeorge
09-13-2018, 10:36 PM
Dude, i wanna be an objective person in every fucking sector.
Do you think i like to say that Pontians are not greeks or that northern greeks have huge slavic admixture?
No,i do not like it.But i have to be fair with everyone.....
You are being ignorant - research, study then post. This is unbelievably pathetic.
Crn Volk
09-13-2018, 11:33 PM
Bitola even today has singificant number of Vlachs.
School on Vlach language in Bitola
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46TpdVjeYyQ
Albanians are not only minority in Macedonia.
Macedonia is very heterogenous country: Macedonians, Albanians, Gypsies, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Serbs, Turks, Torbeši, Gorani...
Yes, we give rights to everybody, but no one wants to give rights to Macedonians....
Vojnik
09-14-2018, 04:52 AM
Bitola even today has singificant number of Vlachs.
School on Vlach language in Bitola
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46TpdVjeYyQ
Albanians are not only minority in Macedonia.
Macedonia is very heterogenous country: Macedonians, Albanians, Gypsies, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Serbs, Turks, Torbeši, Gorani...
I gave you the percentage of self identified Macedonians in Bitola, that's is 88%. Why must Macedonians be subject to this all the time?
There is Vlachs in Bitola. 997 people or 1.3%
People in Macedonia are free to identify with what ever ethnicity. If there was more Vlachs then reordered, then it would be shown.
Pribislav
09-14-2018, 11:02 AM
I gave you the percentage of self identified Macedonians in Bitola, that's is 88%. Why must Macedonians be subject to this all the time?
There is Vlachs in Bitola. 997 people or 1.3%
People in Macedonia are free to identify with what ever ethnicity. If there was more Vlachs then reordered, then it would be shown.
Vast majority Vlachs from Bitola and Macedonia are macedonized. They adopted slavo-macedonian names/surnames and declared themselves as Macedonians.
Officially number of Vlachs in Macedonia is less than 10 000, but their real number is + 100 000. One Mecedonian guy told me this. He said that he know a lot of Vlachs all of them and they declared themdelves as Macedonians.
Toše Proeski was declared Macedonian, and he was a pure Vlach. His real surname was Proje, his grandfather macedonized/slaviized surname in Proeski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toše_Proeski#Biography
Be a Macedonian is like American, Australian, Canadian... everony who live in Macedonia and have Macedonian passport is Macedonian.
Crn Volk
09-14-2018, 10:38 PM
Vast majority Vlachs from Bitola and Macedonia are macedonized. They adopted slavo-macedonian names/surnames and declared themselves as Macedonians.
Officially number of Vlachs in Macedonia is less than 10 000, but their real number is + 100 000. One Mecedonian guy told me this. He said that he know a lot of Vlachs all of them and they declared themdelves as Macedonians.
Toše Proeski was declared Macedonian, and he was a pure Vlach. His real surname was Proje, his grandfather macedonized/slaviized surname in Proeski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toše_Proeski#Biography
Be a Macedonian is like American, Australian, Canadian... everony who live in Macedonia and have Macedonian passport is Macedonian.
Nope Macedonia is 65% ethnic Macedonian, the rest are minorities. Like I said everyone can declare what ever they want in Macedonia.
Pribislav
09-14-2018, 10:47 PM
Nope Macedonia is 65% ethnic Macedonian, the rest are minorities. Like I said everyone can declare what ever they want in Macedonia.
Yes, 65% people declared themselves as Macedonians. Among that people there is a lot of macedonized Vlachs, Serbs and Bulgarians, even some macedonized Albanians and Gypsies.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Map_of_minorities_in_the_Republic_of_Macedonia_by_ municipality.png
Georgia
09-14-2018, 10:48 PM
East Balkan Federation.
http://i68.tinypic.com/20tlz0j.png
We shall rule.
Haha,quelle surprise,I see you didn’t miss the opportunity to include some Greek territory in your map.
But I’m racist when I say that you guys drool for our land,nice attitude that you have. 👍
Georgia
09-14-2018, 10:55 PM
Relax nobody is going to invade you.
Thanks for the clarification,because we were extremely terrified with the thought of being invaded by a country with 2/10 of our population and less than 1/10 of our GDP.
Fcking clowns.
Crn Volk
09-14-2018, 10:58 PM
Thanks for the clarification,because we were extremely terrified with the thought of being invaded by a country with 2/10 of our population and 1/10 of GDP.
Fcking clowns.
I was responding to your compatriots conversation in Greek, which sounded like paranoia.
Crn Volk
09-14-2018, 11:00 PM
Yes, 65% people declared themselves as Macedonians. Among that people there is a lot of macedonized Vlachs, Serbs and Bulgarians, even some macedonized Albanians and Gypsies.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Map_of_minorities_in_the_Republic_of_Macedonia_by_ municipality.png
Cute map and cool story. You sound like a Croat referring to all Serbs as Vlachs. Let’s stick with official census statistics shall we. The rest is bullshit speculation and balkanigga dialogue.
Georgia
09-14-2018, 11:09 PM
The worst is Pontians claiming to be "Greek Macedonian". That is by far the most sickening.
LOL,an entire nation of Slavo-Albano-Vlachs believe that they are the grandkids of Alexander the Great and it is the Pontians whom you find sickening??
Can you please use both of your neurons instead of only one before writing such posts? Or would that be too demanding?
JosephK
09-14-2018, 11:18 PM
Yes, 65% people declared themselves as Macedonians. Among that people there is a lot of macedonized Vlachs, Serbs and Bulgarians, even some macedonized Albanians and Gypsies.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Map_of_minorities_in_the_Republic_of_Macedonia_by_ municipality.png
Looks like I may have been confusing Aromanians with Vlachs... :picard2:
brennus dux gallorum
09-14-2018, 11:20 PM
Crete, Sicily, Calabria and Dodecanese
Georgia
09-14-2018, 11:20 PM
Meanwhile Slavic Macedonians from that same land live in R.Macedonia, Bulgaria, Serbia and all over the world. Many are not allowed to return to see their homes, and those that do, see you guys living there. Get it?
And why should this be our concern?
You took arms against the Greek state,you fought and you were crushed,case closed,why we have to endure your pathetic whining 70 years later?
Pribislav
09-14-2018, 11:20 PM
Cute map and cool story. You sound like a Croat referring to all Serbs as Vlachs. Let’s stick with official census statistics shall we. The rest is bullshit speculation and balkanigga dialogue.
Why there is less than 10 000 Vlachs today in Macedonia? What happened with rest 100 000? Let me guess, you Skopjans macedonized them, is not it? :)
Tauromachos
09-14-2018, 11:28 PM
Pass in Cyprus
Crn Volk
09-14-2018, 11:30 PM
Why there is less than 10 000 Vlachs today in Macedonia? What happened with rest 100 000? Let me guess, you Skopjans macedonized them, is not it? :)
In 1948 there were 9,511 Vlachs in Macedonia.
http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Macedonia
Now go peddle your shit elsewhere. I believe Bosnia has plenty of issues. Perhaps concentrate your efforts on that.
Aspar
09-14-2018, 11:36 PM
Crete, Sicily, Calabria and Dodecanese
Pass in Cyprus
Nahh, we are not midgets nor that dark to be confused as MENA :thumb001:
Wrong
09-14-2018, 11:39 PM
LOL,an entire nation of Slavo-Albano-Vlachs believe that they are the grandkids of Alexander the Great and it is the Pontians whom you find sickening??
Can you please use both of your neurons instead of only one before writing such posts? Or would that be too demanding?
With all due respect, atleast FYRMacedonia gives reports of their minority groups, Greece does not, and is supposedly 100% Greek.
Anything from an African to a Chinese person can become 100% Greek in the census the moment they attain citizenship in Greece.
brennus dux gallorum
09-14-2018, 11:42 PM
Nahh, we are not midgets nor that dark to be confused as MENA :thumb001:
always thought that South Slavs are Aryans, not Wogs like us
Tauromachos
09-14-2018, 11:44 PM
always thought that South Slavs are Aryans, not Wogs like us
Crete, Sicily, Calabria and Dodecanese
Hahaha this one made my day^
Aspar
09-14-2018, 11:53 PM
always thought that South Slavs are Aryans, not Wogs like us
Of course, a Greek in Western Europe is mistaken for a MENA, while a South Slav is barely noticeable as a foreigner.
It's the same when you compare the Northern and Southern Italians with the difference that the later pass in North Africa and you in Turkey and Armenia.
Georgia
09-14-2018, 11:53 PM
With all due respect, atleast FYRMacedonia gives reports of their minority groups, Greece does not, and is supposedly 100% Greek.
Anything from an African to a Chinese person can become 100% Greek in the census the moment they attain citizenship in Greece.
What do you mean supposedly Greece is 100% greek,we have religious minorities(Muslims,Jews,etc),linguistic minorities(Arvanites and Vlachs),ethnic minorities(Gypsies) and recent immigrants,these are well known facts.
Yes,once immigrants gain greek citizenship,they are considered greeks just like everyone else,isn't how these things are done universally?
Papastratosels26
09-14-2018, 11:55 PM
Of course, a Greek in Western Europe is mistaken for a MENA, while a South Slav is barely noticeable as a foreigner.
It's the same when you compare the Northern and Southern Italians with the difference that the later pass in North Africa and you in Turkey and Armenia.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180914/f18444598404933aa018f6d3ed86c55a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180914/35efc6aeef1d1646ccb5fe5a3cef72a3.gif
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brennus dux gallorum
09-14-2018, 11:56 PM
Of course, a Greek in Western Europe is mistaken for a MENA, while a South Slav is barely noticeable as a foreigner.
It's the same when you compare the Northern and Southern Italians with the difference that the later pass in North Africa and you in Turkey and Armenia.
How so? I mean, Turks are hyperbrachycephal, like you :)
Aspar
09-14-2018, 11:57 PM
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Don't you worry Macedonian...
At least you pass well in Poland.
Much better than Northern Africa
Georgia
09-14-2018, 11:57 PM
Of course, a Greek in Western Europe is mistaken for a MENA, while a South Slav is barely noticeable as a foreigner.
It's the same when you compare the Northern and Southern Italians with the difference that the later pass in North Africa and you in Turkey and Armenia.
Wtf are you talking about,I have never been mistaken for a MENA,a Turk or an Armenian in Western Europe,nor has any Greek that I know,who appointed you the representatives of Western Europeans, delusional Slavs?
Aspar
09-15-2018, 12:01 AM
How so? I mean, Turks are hyperbrachycephal, like you :)
Haha, your argument is so weak you know...
The bell beakers from Northern Europe were brachy as well.
But do you know that negroids from Africa are dolicho as well.
Might be your brothers, who knows
Papastratosels26
09-15-2018, 12:01 AM
Still Whiter than you :p
Don't you worry Macedonian...
At least you pass well in Poland.
Much better than Northern Africahttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180915/e079f045eb02d25a7cff76ac619adc26.gif
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Aspar
09-15-2018, 12:02 AM
Wtf are you talking about,I have never been mistaken for a MENA,a Turk or an Armenian in Western Europe,nor has any Greek that I know,who appointed you the representatives of Western Europeans, delusional Slavs?
Are you Cybernautic's wife?
brennus dux gallorum
09-15-2018, 12:03 AM
Haha, your argument is so week you know...
The bell beakers from Northern Europe were brachy as well.
But do you know that negroids from Africa are dolicho as well.
Might be your brothers, who knows
but you said like turks (who are hyperbrachycephal like you), not negorids, therefore your first argument is weaker than a mouse's heart, Balkanigga :D
Tauromachos
09-15-2018, 12:06 AM
Are you Cybernautic's wife?
Not realy,but i wouldn't despise her :)
Certainly she is not yours :laugh:
Georgia
09-15-2018, 12:06 AM
Are you Cybernautic's wife?
Why are you asking,are you interested in asking for my hand?
brennus dux gallorum
09-15-2018, 12:08 AM
Kivan stop thumbing down little whore
Aspar
09-15-2018, 12:14 AM
but you said like turks (who are hyperbrachycephal like you), not negorids, therefore your first argument is weaker than a mouse's heart, Balkanigga :D
I don't know who are you trying to fool but it's not like I haven't been in Greece at all.
I've actually been in many places in Greece and strangely I didn't see only dolicho people.
Funnily there were many Dinarids and other brachy people.
Hell just look at your hero from the 19th century Kolokotronis
Papastratosels26
09-15-2018, 12:19 AM
To our neighbor Aspar
https://youtu.be/tRSczf5uNUY
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Aspar
09-15-2018, 12:21 AM
Why are you asking,are you interested in asking for my hand?
Do you want some Balkan meat honey?
Tauromachos
09-15-2018, 12:26 AM
I don't know who do you trying to fool but it's not like I haven't been in Greece at all.
I've actually been in many places in Greece and strangely I didn't see only dolicho people.
Funnily there were many Dinarids and other brachy people.
Hell just look at your hero from the 19th century Kolokotronis
No one realy cares where you have been
But since you mention Dinarics one of the classic obsession of all Balkan retards simply
read this:
The Greeks, in short, are a blend of racial types, of which two are most important; the Atlanto-Mediterranean and the Alpine. Dinaricisrn here is present, but not all pervading; true Alpines are commoner than complete Dinarics."
Carleton Stevens Coon(American Anthropologist).
Read more: http://hellas2010.proboards.com/#ixzz5R7qW3x6U
Aspar
09-15-2018, 12:28 AM
To our neighbor Aspar
https://youtu.be/tRSczf5uNUY
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Mazonakis is good but I prefer Makedoniko meraki
Papastratosels26
09-15-2018, 12:31 AM
Mazonakis is good but I prefer Makedoniko merakihttps://youtu.be/bFRWgc38k_4
BALKAN SUPERMACY
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Aspar
09-15-2018, 12:31 AM
No one realy cares where you have been
But since you mention Dinarics one of the classic obsession of all Balkan retards simply
read this:
The Greeks, in short, are a blend of racial types, of which two are most important; the Atlanto-Mediterranean and the Alpine. Dinaricisrn here is present, but not all pervading; true Alpines are commoner than complete Dinarics."
Carleton Stevens Coon(American Anthropologist).
Read more: http://hellas2010.proboards.com/#ixzz5R7qW3x6U
I don't give a fuck what southern European faggots think or what some Coon guy has written hundred years ago.
I only trust my own eyes
Papastratosels26
09-15-2018, 12:33 AM
Another
https://youtu.be/QIjKijhv1OU
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Mingle
09-15-2018, 12:37 AM
Pontians never claimed we are macedonians quit trolling.
Pontians born and raised in Macedonia don't consider themselves Macedonian?
Papastratosels26
09-15-2018, 12:38 AM
Compare your music with Greek
https://youtu.be/cQepuHYYbYg
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Tauromachos
09-15-2018, 12:39 AM
I don't give a fuck what southern European faggots think or what some Coon guy has written hundred years ago.
I only trust my own eyes
I'm Southern European and not a faggot but tanned ,hairy and very masculin
I on my turn don't give a fuck what Slavo Macedonian faggots think and i trust my own eyes
i'm from Greece i often go to Greece just like i'm now and a see all sorts of people Mainland Greek,Ageans and
many Balkanites who work here in the season.
And i repeat it again many of you Balkanites don't look like Greeks
Its not me who says it its many Greek people who say so and can spot your kinsmen easily from 5 meters distance here
even foreigners i know can
I had some Italian friends for example with me and when we went to Restaurants they looked at some waitors and said to me
this or that one of them is no Greek or doesn't look Greek but he is Albanian and it turned later out that they were almost always
right
Aspar
09-15-2018, 12:43 AM
I'm Southern European and not a faggot but tanned ,hairy and very masculin
I on my turn don't give a fuck what Slavo Macedonian faggots think and i trust my own eyes
i'm from Greece i often go to Greece just like i'm now and a see all sorts of people Mainland Greek,Ageans and
many Balkanites who work here in the season.
And i repeat it again many of you Balkanites don't look like Greeks
Its not me who says it its many Greek people who say so and can spot your kinsmen easily from 5 meters distance here
even foreigners i know can
I had some Italian friends for example with me and when we went to Restaurants they looked at some waitors and said to me
this or that one of them is no Greek or doesn't look Greek but he is Albanian and it turned later out that they were almost always
right
Of course we don't look like Greeks, did I say we do?
I can tell a single Greek from a huge crowd of different Eurpeans easily...
The most MENA looking out of all
Latinus
09-15-2018, 12:46 AM
Iberia and Italy.
Papastratosels26
09-15-2018, 12:47 AM
https://youtu.be/YZBacbb5vKY
ΜENA woman according to Aspar
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Tauromachos
09-15-2018, 12:48 AM
Of course we don't look like Greeks, did I say we do?
I can tell a single Greek from a huge crowd of different Eurpeans easily...
The most MENA looking out of all
I don't know who are you trying to fool but it's not like I haven't been in Greece at all.
I've actually been in many places in Greece and strangely I didn't see only dolicho people.
Funnily there were many Dinarids and other brachy people.
Hell just look at your hero from the 19th century Kolokotronis
One time you claim that Greeks look Mena and you look nothing like them another time you claim
that many Greeks are Dinarid or Brachy secretly implying that they look like you
Give me break
What kind of Logic is this?
Is this the kind of logic your elders teach you in your villages?
Certainly its not Greek logic
Aspar
09-15-2018, 12:50 AM
Iberia and Italy.
I would say more Northern Italy rather than Southern...
Papastratosels26
09-15-2018, 12:51 AM
I would say more Northern Italy rather than Southern...Sure.....
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Georgia
09-15-2018, 01:27 AM
Do you want some Balkan meat honey?
I would die laughing and you would die trying.
DarknessWin
09-15-2018, 02:16 AM
Look like a mix of Albanians and Serbians
DarknessWin
09-15-2018, 02:22 AM
I don't give a fuck what southern European faggots think or what some Coon guy has written hundred years ago.
I only trust my own eyes
Greece have many DinaroMed types like Italy ,
when you Fyromians have pure Dinarics like Albanians
Your other Dinarics types are mixed with slavic types like Gorid etc.
This make you the most ugly people in Europe because your Med types are very few
You are like a mix of Albos and SerboCroatians , you are not Macedonians (greeks) and you are not Bulgarians.
I see Bulgarians have very beautiful people from Med types like Pontid when you Fyromians have 0% Med types
DarknessWin
09-15-2018, 02:25 AM
Why there is less than 10 000 Vlachs today in Macedonia? What happened with rest 100 000? Let me guess, you Skopjans macedonized them, is not it? :)
They fake-makedonized everyone, the most fanatic nationalists in their fake country are Gypsies
Latinus
09-15-2018, 02:28 AM
I don't give a fuck what southern European faggots think or what some Coon guy has written hundred years ago.
I only trust my own eyes
Southern Euros rule!!!
Pribislav
09-15-2018, 03:20 AM
They fake-makedonized everyone, the most fanatic nationalists in their fake country are Gypsies
I know Serbian guy from FYROM. He said to me that he know a lot of pure Vlachs, but all of them declared themselves as Macedonians. He can not understand that phenomenon. Real number of Vlachs in FYROM is +100 000. Officially there is 9700 Vlachs, because of macedonization and their own mimicry.
After WW2 a lot of Serbs were macedonized in Socialist Republic of Macedonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Republic_of_Macedonia
Many Serbs were forced to change surnames. They had to change suffix ić to ski, for example Jovanović became Jovanovski, Petković became Petkovski, Marković became Markovski, Trifunović became Trifunovski...
Serbian geographer and anthropologist Jovan Trifunovski wrote a book "Macedonization of southern Serbia."
Vojnik
09-15-2018, 05:31 AM
Macedonians Macedonised everyone? How long have we been an independent country? And how long and when did we have the power to change anyone's ethnicity? You Serbs and Greeks were the colonisers who forcefully changed peoples ethnic consence. But you turn it around as if Macedonians are guilty of it. You are complete lunatics.
Get it though your thick heads that Macedonia has a system of respecting everyone's self identification.
Do you think if we Macedonised people, there would have all these minorities today existing?
Vojnik
09-15-2018, 05:59 AM
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39258937_10156023891995432_8957576783150972928_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&oh=7494e01d49359a416ace368dbe24e747&oe=5C383E01
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https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/264872_10151496672328652_796227391_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=b74b330830082dbf3f7f4fb73d670276&oe=5C224ADF
https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13599921_10154252976815782_1754014800412823530_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&oh=2416185360201fe745a43a1e8966520c&oe=5C31EE7F
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https://scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41765512_1101193946696259_4264266925602766848_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=77c31c88d2379db8b8eb3bd3e34c0041&oe=5BED772C
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brennus dux gallorum
09-15-2018, 07:05 AM
I don't know who are you trying to fool but it's not like I haven't been in Greece at all.
I've actually been in many places in Greece and strangely I didn't see only dolicho people.
Funnily there were many Dinarids and other brachy people.
Hell just look at your hero from the 19th century Kolokotronis
Well, who said you that we are dolichocephal? And which European nation is predominantly dolichocephal
51% of our population is dolichomesocephal, two cutoffs of cephalic index that can be grouped due to forming the same racial types, and it's the lowest index in Europe after Scandinavia, Iberia and Britain
Fyromians on contrary can be proud for being 70-80% brachycephal, similar to turks :D
Livin
09-15-2018, 07:40 AM
Pontians born and raised in Macedonia don't consider themselves Macedonian?
Nope!
Aspar
09-15-2018, 07:51 AM
I would die laughing and you would die trying.
But I would better die rather than to not try!
What kind of life it is without a thirst to conquer the heart of a woman like you?
Classify my dinarid face here honey:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?258128-Rate-Aspar-How-Macedonian-do-I-look-like
Livin
09-15-2018, 08:12 AM
But I would better die rather than to not try!
What kind of life it is without a thirst to conquer the heart of a woman like you?
Classify my dinarid face here honey:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?258128-Rate-Aspar-How-Macedonian-do-I-look-like
Long time non seen a pure dinaric face!
You look very albanian but you pass in whole balkans.
Vojnik
09-15-2018, 08:24 AM
Long time non seen a pure dinaric face!
You look very albanian but you pass in whole balkans.
I disagree that he looks Albanian.
He is Dinaric but has a Macedonian look.
Aspar
09-15-2018, 08:32 AM
Or Albanians look Macedonian :thumb001:
By the way you have pure Dinarids as well, especially in Epirus and somein Peloponnesus.
Your warhero Kolokotronis was a pure Dinarid.
It's an ancient Balkan phenotype.
brennus dux gallorum
09-15-2018, 08:35 AM
Or Albanians look Macedonian :thumb001:
By the way you have pure Dinarids as well, especially in Epirus and somein Peloponnesus.
Your warhero Kolokotronis was a pure Dinarid.
It's an ancient Balkan phenotype.
You don't need to repeat the same things like a parrot, you know :)
Dinaric race represents the 15% of the population, and is common even in South Crete (sfakia)
However, 15% Dinaric is quite small compare to nearly x2 in fyrom, let alone brachycephalics in general
Aspar
09-15-2018, 08:35 AM
Greece have many DinaroMed types like Italy ,
when you Fyromians have pure Dinarics like Albanians
Your other Dinarics types are mixed with slavic types like Gorid etc.
This make you the most ugly people in Europe because your Med types are very few
You are like a mix of Albos and SerboCroatians , you are not Macedonians (greeks) and you are not Bulgarians.
I see Bulgarians have very beautiful people from Med types like Pontid when you Fyromians have 0% Med types
Ohh no, I am an ugly Dinarid according to Darkness...
By the way Dinarid are warrior race and Pontids are farmers and fisherman's
Aspar
09-15-2018, 08:40 AM
You don't need to repeat the same things like a parrot, you know :)
Dinaric race represents the 15% of the population, and is common even in South Crete (sfakia)
However, 15% Dinaric is quite small compare to nearly x2 in fyrom, let alone brachycephalics in general
I must remind you all the time because you forget easily.
Of course there are, even in Crere...
It's a phenotype that came in Greece with the Dorians.
And instead of being proud bc of that, you keep saying shit about Dinarids.
It also goes to show who's got more to do with the ancient Macedonians :thumb001:
Livin
09-15-2018, 08:40 AM
Or Albanians look Macedonian :thumb001:
By the way you have pure Dinarids as well, especially in Epirus and somein Peloponnesus.
Your warhero Kolokotronis was a pure Dinarid.
It's an ancient Balkan phenotype.
The regions that dorians settled have many dinarids or at least dinaricized people.
Kolokotronis was a greek from messinia but he was not of arvanite origins.
Anyway,i agree that dinarids are warrior race there is no doubt about this.
I know Serbian guy from FYROM. He said to me that he know a lot of pure Vlachs, but all of them declared themselves as Macedonians. He can not understand that phenomenon. Real number of Vlachs in FYROM is +100 000. Officially there is 9700 Vlachs, because of macedonization and their own mimicry.
After WW2 a lot of Serbs were macedonized in Socialist Republic of Macedonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Republic_of_Macedonia
Many Serbs were forced to change surnames. They had to change suffix ić to ski, for example Jovanović became Jovanovski, Petković became Petkovski, Marković became Markovski, Trifunović became Trifunovski...
Serbian geographer and anthropologist Jovan Trifunovski wrote a book "Macedonization of southern Serbia."
As a Serb, you should stay quiet.
Immediately after annexation of Vardar Macedonia to the Kingdom of Serbia, the Macedonian Slavs were faced with the policy of forced serbianisation.
We find here, as everywhere else, the ordinary measures of "Serbization" — the closing of schools, disarmament, invitations to schoolmasters to become Servian officials, nomination of "Serbomans", "Grecomans" and Vlachs, as village headmen, orders to the clergy of obedience to the Servian Archbishop, acts of violence against influential individuals, prohibition of transit, multiplication of requisitions, forged signatures to declarations and patriotic telegrams, the organization of special bands, military executions in the villages and so forth.
— Report of the International Commission on the Balkan Wars.
Those who declare as the Bulgarians were, harassed or deported to Bulgaria. The high clergymen of Bulgarian Orthodox Church were also deported. Bulgarian schools were closed and teachers expelled. The population of Macedonia was forced to declare as Serbs. Those who refused were beaten and tortured. Prominent people and teachers from Skopje who refused to declare as Serbs were deported to Bulgaria. International Commission concluded that the Serbian state started in Macedonia wide sociological experiment of "assimilation through terror."
Serbian colonization in Vardar Macedonia between 1920 and 1930.
During the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, the government of the Kingdom pursued a linguistic Serbisation policy towards population of the Macedonia, then called "Southern Serbia" (unofficially) or "Vardar Banovina" (officially). The dialects spoken in this region were referred to as dialects of Serbo-Croatian. Either way, those southern dialects were suppressed with regards education, military and other national activities, and their usage was punishable.[10]
The Kingdom, was also interested to change the ethnic composition of the population in Vardar Macedonia. In 1919 there were announced the orders for preparing for colonization of Southern Serbia. The Serbian colonization was maintained through "agricultural" and "administrative" actions. In the Interbellum, the Kingdom has settled 3,670 families (18,384 persons). The colonists were given properties. Also, in the same time almost all clerks in the area were Serbs. This means that in the period between the two World wars the Kingdom succeeded through the agricultural and the administrative colonizations to create significant Serbian ethnic minority in Vardar Macedonia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbianisation#In_Vardar_Macedonia
Livin
09-15-2018, 08:43 AM
I must remind you all the time because you forget easily.
Of course there are, even in Crere...
It's a phenotype that came in Greece with the Dorians.
And instead of being proud bc of that, you keep saying shit about Dinarids.
It also goes to show who's got more to do with the ancient Macedonians :thumb001:
Ancient Macedonians were mostly EV13 meds.They later assilimated thraco-illyrians and paeonians like the modern fyromanians.
Wrong
09-15-2018, 08:43 AM
But I would better die rather than to not try!
What kind of life it is without a thirst to conquer the heart of a woman like you?
I remember, your wife/girlfriend is way hotter imo.
Btw, Macedonians Slavs are not stereotypically dinaric. Nobody in here connects their appearance with dinaric look. They have such phenotype but in minority.
catgeorge
09-15-2018, 08:45 AM
Ancient Macedonians were mostly EV13 meds.They later assilimated thraco-illyrians and paeonians like the modern fyromanians.
Do you have evidence?
Aspar
09-15-2018, 08:46 AM
Ancient Macedonians were mostly EV13 meds.They later assilimated thraco-illyrians and paeonians like the modern fyromanians.
Ancient Macedonians were not Meds...
Look at the bust of Alexander for God sake.
He doesn't look much like Perikles doesn't he?
Being e-v13 doesn't mean they were Med!
They were mostly Dinarids who formed as such in the mountains where they took shelter from previous Invaders...
Livin
09-15-2018, 08:48 AM
Do you have evidence?
All the genetic maps showing that macedonia was a region with EV13 populations and some paleolithic(I2),later neolithics from anatolia come etc.
But IMO both mycenenans and myceneans has some northern steppe ancestry and that’s why you talk now an indoeuropean languange.
Wrong
09-15-2018, 08:50 AM
All the genetic maps showing that macedonia was a region with EV13 populations and some paleolithic(I2),later neolithics from anatolia come etc.
But IMO both mycenenans and myceneans has some northern steppe ancestry and that’s why you talk now an indoeuropean languange.
The area was of the established pre-Slavic haplogroups. Take away R1a1 & I2a1b-CTS10228 and then you have most of the Ancient Balkans.
Livin
09-15-2018, 08:53 AM
Ancient Macedonians were not Meds...
Look at the bust of Alexander for God sake.
He doesn't look much like Perikles doesn't he?
Being e-v13 doesn't mean they were Med!
They were mostly Dinarids who formed as such in the mountains where they took shelter from previous Invaders...
Alexander looks med in statues etc.
wavy tocurly hair,leptorihne nose,big eyes and he was also very short.
Anyway i don’t care what phenotype he was,but Dinarids are not so common in macedonia greece where i live.Only some Thracians in the eastern parts come dinaricized or dinarid people but still minority.
Peloponnesus,Crete and attica are the main regions with Dinarids or dinaricized people.
Arvanites and Dorians .
Vojnik
09-15-2018, 08:55 AM
Btw, Macedonians Slavs are not stereotypically dinaric. Nobody in here connects their appearance with dinaric look. They have such phenotype but in minority.
Thats true. Dinaric influenced in most cases but not pure Dinarids. Dinaro-Meds yes.
Wrong
09-15-2018, 08:55 AM
Alexander looks med in statues etc.
wavy tocurly hair,leptorihne nose,big eyes and he was also very short.
Anyway i don’t care what phenotype he was,but Dinarids are not so common in macedonia greece where i live.Only some Thracians in the eastern parts come dinaricized or dinarid people but still minority.
Peloponnesus,Crete and attica are the main regions with Dinarids or dinaricized people.
Arvanites and Dorians .
As far as the busts go, this one was the closest to him and looks very Dinaric:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a8/9f/a9/a89fa962f8e095099562cf2fe3fccc9c.jpg
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/bust-of-alexander-the-great-called-the-azara-hermes-roman-art-mid-4th-picture-id587492722
Livin
09-15-2018, 08:57 AM
As far as the busts go, this one was the closest to him and looks very Dinaric:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a8/9f/a9/a89fa962f8e095099562cf2fe3fccc9c.jpg
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/bust-of-alexander-the-great-called-the-azara-hermes-roman-art-mid-4th-picture-id587492722
I do not really agree but anyway!Even fyromanias do not have so many dirarid people.Our macedonians here too!
Thats true. Dinaric influenced in most cases but not pure Dinarids. Dinaro-Meds yes.
Good amount of alpine influence too. :)
Livin
09-15-2018, 09:00 AM
Good amount of alpine influence too. :)
They also have many Pontids and North Pontids.
Vojnik
09-15-2018, 09:01 AM
edit.
catgeorge
09-15-2018, 09:01 AM
All the genetic maps showing that macedonia was a region with EV13 populations and some paleolithic(I2),later neolithics from anatolia come etc.
But IMO both mycenenans and myceneans has some northern steppe ancestry and that’s why you talk now an indoeuropean languange.
EV-13 is only one of them but not the main one without any evidences.
2000-3000 BC
http://www.abroadintheyard.com/wp-content/uploads/Europe-c-2000-BC-2k-jpg.jpg
Spread of Early Neolithic which came out of Sesklo 5000-7000 BC on information we know so far.
https://www.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Spread-of-Early-Neolithic-Farming-in-Europe-Resize1.jpg
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dimitrios_Dendrinos/publication/323152968/figure/fig5/AS:593642360152064@1518546776368/Map-of-Early-Neolithic-post-PPNA-B-involving-both-Archeology-and-suggested.png
catgeorge
09-15-2018, 09:01 AM
http:com/34gqcuh.jpg
looks like this Macedonian guy
Give it a rest.
Wrong
09-15-2018, 09:02 AM
looks like this Macedonian guy
Put long & fuller hair on this guy and it looks very similar:
Even the nose, eye position & eyes are identical.
https://gdb.rferl.org/069E0A6C-CA71-4531-B5BE-BDEC2FBEB3B7_w1023_r1_s.jpg
Vojnik
09-15-2018, 09:03 AM
Give it a rest.
What does he look Tatar?
Livin
09-15-2018, 09:03 AM
EV-13 is only one of them but not the main one without any evidences.
2000-3000 BC
http://www.abroadintheyard.com/wp-content/uploads/Europe-c-2000-BC-2k-jpg.jpg
Spread of Early Neolithic which came out of Sesklo 5000-7000 BC on information we know so far.
https://www.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Spread-of-Early-Neolithic-Farming-in-Europe-Resize1.jpg
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dimitrios_Dendrinos/publication/323152968/figure/fig5/AS:593642360152064@1518546776368/Map-of-Early-Neolithic-post-PPNA-B-involving-both-Archeology-and-suggested.png
https://aleximreh.wordpress.com/2014/12/23/sardinia-vinca-i2a1-beaker-r1b-nuragic
catgeorge
09-15-2018, 09:03 AM
What does he look Tatar?
What do you think?
Vojnik
09-15-2018, 09:04 AM
Put long & fuller hair on this guy and it looks very similar. Even the nose, eye position & eyes are identical.
https://gdb.rferl.org/069E0A6C-CA71-4531-B5BE-BDEC2FBEB3B7_w1023_r1_s.jpg
Illyrian. Not Macedonian.
Wrong
09-15-2018, 09:04 AM
Illyrian. Not Macedonian.
Doesn't change the fact that he looks very similar to that bust.
Albanians have Epirote & Ancient Macedonian ancestry aswell.
Vojnik
09-15-2018, 09:04 AM
What do you think?
Don't see chinky eyes.
Livin
09-15-2018, 09:06 AM
https://goo.gl/images/UpCV6x
Ev13 was the dominant haplo in balkan before j2 and indoeuropeans come.
Wrong
09-15-2018, 09:09 AM
https://goo.gl/images/UpCV6x
Ev13 was the dominant haplo in balkan before j2 and indoeuropeans come.
Map is outdated, before the Yamnaya discoveries and the rest.
R1a has nothing to do with Antic Greco-Macedonians.
IE Balkans & (and then Greece) was a R1b-L23 zone:
https://i.imgur.com/HFyFvl2.jpg
catgeorge
09-15-2018, 09:11 AM
https://goo.gl/images/UpCV6x
Ev13 was the dominant haplo in balkan before j2 and indoeuropeans come.
No. EV-13 is younger than I2a and J2.. this is an undisputable fact
http://www.abroadintheyard.com/wp-content/uploads/Europe-c-7000-BC-2k-jpg.jpg
Georgia
09-15-2018, 09:11 AM
But I would better die rather than to not try!
What kind of life it is without a thirst to conquer the heart of a woman like you?
Classify my dinarid face here honey:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?258128-Rate-Aspar-How-Macedonian-do-I-look-like
You talk way too much.
Ps:I think you look like a Greek a lot.😁
Livin
09-15-2018, 09:12 AM
Map is outdated, before the Yamnaya discoveries and the rest.
R1a has nothing to do with Antic Greco-Macedonians.
Northern Greeks are mostly EV13 and R1a-I2
Fyromanians pretty much the same.
Albanians have EV13 main haplo.
So,we are closer that ancient macedonians were neolithic EV13 rather haplos who come from the north.
Vojnik
09-15-2018, 09:13 AM
You talk way too much.
Ps:I think you look like a Greek a lot.
Greeks look like him.
Wrong
09-15-2018, 09:13 AM
Northern Greeks are mostly EV13 and R1a-I2
Fyromanians pretty much the same.
Albanians have EV13 main haplo.
So,we are closer that ancient macedonians were neolithic EV13 rather haplos who come from the north.
IE Balkans was a R1b-L23 zone. Nothing R1a in it, it came later with the Slavs.
EV13 in Albanians is almost in equal percentages as R1b-L23 & J2b2-L283 at 30-35%, the haplo is only elevated in Kosovo Albanians.
https://i.imgur.com/HFyFvl2.jpg
Old psuedo-maps drawn by kids don't hold up to this.
Livin
09-15-2018, 09:14 AM
No. EV-13 is younger than I2a and J2.. this is an undisputable fact
http://www.abroadintheyard.com/wp-content/uploads/Europe-c-7000-BC-2k-jpg.jpg
From j2?
I,never said that EV13 is older than I2 paleolithic.
Livin
09-15-2018, 09:16 AM
IE Balkans was a R1b-L23 zone. Nothing R1a in it, it came later with the Slavs.
EV13 in Albanians is almost in equal percentages as R1b-L23 & J2b2-L283 at 30-35%, the haplo is only elevated in Kosovo Albanians.
https://i.imgur.com/HFyFvl2.jpg
Yeah but greek languange and even ancient macedonian are closer to indo-aryans rather to albanians and other paleobalkans languanges.
Maybe proto-greeks come from some kind of culture similar to indo-aryans...
Wrong
09-15-2018, 09:17 AM
Yeah but greek languange and even ancient macedonian are closer to indo-aryans rather to albanians and other paleobalkans languanges.
Maybe pronto-greeks come from some kind of culture similar to indo-aryans...
No. The Greek language is in its own branch, same goes for Albanian and Armenian.
Our IE ancestors spoke Yamnaya R1b-L23 language.
Proto-Greeks came from the R1b-L23 areas, not from Caucas-Anatolia(J2a1) or Crete(J2a1).
catgeorge
09-15-2018, 09:18 AM
Yeah but greek languange and even ancient macedonian are closer to indo-aryans rather to albanians and other paleobalkans languanges.
Maybe pronto-greeks come from some kind of culture similar to indo-aryans...
Incorrect. Indo Aryans spoke Satem - Greek is Centum.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yOIbjb33juU/maxresdefault.jpg
Livin
09-15-2018, 09:19 AM
No. The Greek language is in its own branch, same goes for Albanian and Armenian.
Our IE ancestors spoke Yamnaya R1b-L23 language.
Proto-Greeks came from the R1b-L23 areas, not from Caucas-Anatolia(J2a1) or Crete(J2a1).
Pseudo-science?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeco-Aryan
Pribislav
09-15-2018, 09:19 AM
As a Serb, you should stay quiet.
Immediately after annexation of Vardar Macedonia to the Kingdom of Serbia, the Macedonian Slavs were faced with the policy of forced serbianisation.
— Report of the International Commission on the Balkan Wars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbianisation#In_Vardar_Macedonia
Is this a joke?
Serbia removed Ottoman from Vardarska in 1912. Ottomans ruled in Macedonia 520 years, and we brought freedom to ungrateful Skopjans.
Serbia has liberated Vardarska, Bulgaria has liberated Pirinska, Greece has liberated Egejska. In Pirinska and Egejska there is no Slavo-Mecedonians, all are greecized, bulgarized and expelled. Only in Vardarska which has been liberated by Serbs in 1912 today exist Slavo-Macedonian nation.
Macedonian nation was created by Josip Broz Tito after 1945.
"Macedonization of Southern Serbia" - this book breaks Skopjan propaganda and mythomania. :coffee:
http://www.promacedonia.org/knizhki/trifunoski_1995.jpg
Wrong
09-15-2018, 09:21 AM
Pseudo-science?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeco-Aryan
http://geolinks.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/9/6/13962034/1433197_orig.jpg
Armenian, Greek & Albanian are on their own branches.
Livin
09-15-2018, 09:23 AM
No. The Greek language is in its own branch, same goes for Albanian and Armenian.
Our IE ancestors spoke Yamnaya R1b-L23 language.
Proto-Greeks came from the R1b-L23 areas, not from Caucas-Anatolia(J2a1) or Crete(J2a1).
So,dorians and proto greeks/proto myceneans where the same tribe?
R1b people?
Wrong
09-15-2018, 09:24 AM
So,dorians and proto greeks/proto myceneans where the same tribe?
R1b people?
This may be a strong theory.
The R1b is only high in the non-Slavic areas. It was replaced by the Slavic R1a & I2a1b-CTS10228.
General R1b map:
http://r1b-df27.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Haplogroup_R1b-borders.png
Livin
09-15-2018, 09:26 AM
This may be a strong theory.
And we end up that ancient macedonians has some Dorian elite people who gaved the languange?Because even the ancient macedonian languange is not so close to other greek languanges as people think....
Wrong
09-15-2018, 09:27 AM
And we end up that ancient macedonians has some Dorian elite people who gaved the languange?Because even the ancient macedonian languange is not so close to other greek languanges as people think....
Ancient Macedonian is Doric. Related to the Dorics of western and south-western Greece.
Georgia
09-15-2018, 09:30 AM
Greeks look like him.
The way you talk about Greek looks,I expected you guys to look like Nordic gods,but you are actually “wogger” than us.
You especially look almost Arab.😂
Wrong
09-15-2018, 09:31 AM
R1a and I2a1b-CTS10228 in northern Greece is from Slavs. Same goes for parts of Southern Albania.
catgeorge
09-15-2018, 09:32 AM
R1a and I2a1b-CTS10228 in northern Greece is from Slavs. Same goes for parts of Southern Albania.
Evidence?
Livin
09-15-2018, 09:33 AM
R1a and I2a1b-CTS10228 in northern Greece is from Slavs. Same goes for parts of Southern Albania.
I know this but i though that the proto greeks where r1a due to similar languanges with indo-aryans.But i think you are right r1b indoeuropicized the folks.
Wrong
09-15-2018, 09:34 AM
I know this but i though that the proto greeks where r1a due to similar languanges with indo-aryans.But i think you are right r1b indoeuropicized the folks.
There is no R1a in Ancient Balkans. Only R1a that was found was of the Iranic clades, a Scythian, totally different from the modern clades of Greece & Poland.
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