Lightest to darkest Middle East regions

[FakeUsername]

(I include Caucasus too so there is more regions)

Try to class these regions from lightest to darkest : Levant, Anatolia, Armenia, North Caucasus, Arabic Peninsule, South Caucasus, Iran

Personally i would say :
North Caucasus
South Caucasus
Anatolia
Armenia
Iran
Levant
Arabic Peninsule

[Hadouken]

Anatolia is not darker than south caucasus except georgia ,

Armenia IS south caucasus ...dont know why you listed it extra .

Northeast caucsasus is not as light as you listed

[black hole]

north Caucasus is not Middle east as southern part of Arabic peninsula and eastern part of Iran

[FakeUsername]

Anatolia is not darker than south caucasus except georgia ,

Armenia IS south caucasus ...dont know why you listed it extra .

Northeast caucsasus is not as light as you listed

NE Caucasus is lighter than NW Caucasus and 10x more than all other ME countries, and let's stop fighting about who is lighter and who is not.

Armenia is South Caucasus but when i say South Caucasus i mean Georgia specially and Azerbaijan.

[FakeUsername]

north Caucasus is not Middle east as southern part of Arabic peninsula and eastern part of Iran

I know, but i wanted to add many regions.

[Hadouken]

NE Caucasus is lighter than NW Caucasus and 10x more than all other ME countries,

nope . I am pretty sure NW is lighter . especially when you consider that NW has people like Adygheans . NE is Dagestan which is darker than NW . but I havent been there I am just saying what I have seen so far on pics/videos . someone from there will know better



and let's stop fighting about who is lighter and who is not.

first of all we are not fighting . why so sensitive ?

and isnt your thread about who is lighter in the first place ? so of course we will discuss it since it is on topic lol



Armenia is South Caucasus but when i say South Caucasus i mean Georgia specially and Azerbaijan.

this doesnt make any sense because Armenia is south caucasus too

[cyberlorian]

(I include Caucasus too so there is more regions)

Try to class these regions from lightest to darkest : Levant, Anatolia, Armenia, North Caucasus, Arabic Peninsule, South Caucasus, Iran

Personally i would say :
North Caucasus
South Caucasus
Anatolia
Armenia
Iran
Levant
Arabic Peninsule

North Caucasus
Anatolia = South Caucasus
Armenia
Levant = Iran
Arabian Peninsula

[FakeUsername]

nope . I am pretty sure NW is lighter . especially when you consider that NW has people like Adygheans . NE is Dagestan which is darker than NW . but I havent been there I am just saying what I have seen so far on pics/videos . someone from there will know better



first of all we are not fighting . why so sensitive ?

and isnt your thread about who is lighter in the first place ? so of course we will discuss it since it is on topic lol



this doesnt make any sense because Armenia is south caucasus too

Lol NE Caucasus include Vaynakhs (Chechens and Ingush), we have generally :

West_Asian 49%
Baltic 13%
East_Med 10%
North_Atlantic 10%
West_Med 5%

+ more than 50% North Caucasus on K36 (which means we are indigenous)
While NW Caucasians often are Pontids with black hair.


In East Chechnya, the number of blonde people is very high, some Avars in Dagestan have light hair too but as you said Dagestan have less 80031

[FakeUsername]

North Caucasus
Anatolia = South Caucasus
Armenia
Levant = Iran
Arabian Peninsula

Yes if we can put =, i agree 100%

[Hadouken]

Lol NE Caucasus include Vaynakhs (Chechens and Ingush), we have generally :

West_Asian 49%
Baltic 13%
East_Med 10%
North_Atlantic 10%
West_Med 5%

+ more than 50% North Caucasus on K36 (which means we are indigenous)
While NW Caucasians often are Pontids with black hair.


In East Chechnya, the number of blonde people is very high, some Avars in Dagestan have light hair too but as you said Dagestan have less 80031

ok :(

[cyberlorian]

Yes if we can put =, i agree 100%

Put = sign because:

Anatolians are darker than Georgians but lighter than Azeris on average.

Iranians are darker than Syrians, Lebanese and Israelis but lighter than Iraqis and Jordanians on average.

[Hadouken]

Iranians are darker than Syrians,

no way

[FakeUsername]

ok :(


Put = sign because:

Anatolians are darker than Georgians but lighter than Azeris on average.

Iranians are darker than Syrians, Lebanese and Israelis but lighter than Iraqis and Jordanians on average.

I have a Lebanese friend he looks like an Iraqi or something.

I think Iranians are a little bit lighter than Syrians or Israelis too

[Borealis]

Put = sign because:

Anatolians are darker than Georgians but lighter than Azeris on average.

Iranians are darker than Syrians, Lebanese and Israelis but lighter than Iraqis and Jordanians on average.

Fully agree.

[cyberlorian]

no way

Yes way.

Syrians have more Atlantic admixture than Iranians on average.

[cyberlorian]

I have a Lebanese friend he looks like an Iraqi or something.

I think Iranians are a little bit lighter than Syrians or Israelis too

No. Syrians and Lebanese are lighter than Iranians.

[Hadouken]

Yes way.

Syrians have more Atlantic admixture than Iranians on average.

syrians and iranians are very similar

[Borealis]

Yes way.

Syrians have more Atlantic admixture than Iranians on average.

They also live at a lower elevation(less UV exposure)+milder climate moderated by Atlantic Ocean.

[Nattens Madrigal]

According to some people in TA;
Lightest- Christian Levantines, light brown pigmented hallstatt Nordids

[Kivan]

According to some people in TA;
Lightest- Christian Levantines, light brown pigmented hallstatt Nordids

And most of the Georgians that people posted here looked like Russians and Ukrainians.

[FakeUsername]

According to some people in TA;
Lightest- Christian Levantines, light brown pigmented hallstatt Nordids

Religion don't influence ethnicity.

[Borealis]

Religion don't influence ethnicity.

Yes it can. Depending on religion, the different groups will be exposed to different influences. Levantine Christians are known to have slight Crusader ancestry, and less Arabian due to their religion in comparison to their Muslim counterparts-although it probably varies since Levant Muslims are not homogeneous.

[Nattens Madrigal]

I know,its just my obsevation.Some clueless people here talks like some Lebanese and Syrians are lost cousins of south Euros.60-70 percent of Syrian refugees in Turkey are much darker than "dark" Turks and Kurds.Only native Arabs and gypsies are same level or darker.I seen like 2 or 3 times of these lost crusader blood Syrian.

[Haider]

Put = sign because:

Anatolians are darker than Georgians but lighter than Azeris on average.

Iranians are darker than Syrians, Lebanese and Israelis but lighter than Iraqis and Jordanians on average.

Stop grouping 'Israelis' with Lebanese/Syrians or comparing them to Middle Eastern people. They are mostly European jews, not native to the region.

[cyberlorian]

I know,its just my obsevation.Some clueless people here talks like some Lebanese and Syrians are lost cousins of south Euros.60-70 percent of Syrian refugees in Turkey are much darker than "dark" Turks and Kurds.Only native Arabs and gypsies are same level or darker.I seen like 2 or 3 times of these lost crusader blood Syrian.

They are of course, darker than Anatolians on average.

[Hadouken]

I know,its just my obsevation.Some clueless people here talks like some Lebanese and Syrians are lost cousins of south Euros.60-70 percent of Syrian refugees in Turkey are much darker than "dark" Turks and Kurds.Only native Arabs and gypsies are same level or darker.I seen like 2 or 3 times of these lost crusader blood Syrian.

yeah levantines are heavily whitewashed as I said before . it is only because some europeans get Levantine in their mixed mode on gedmatch so they want to justify it by whitewashing levantines so the holy europeanness is untouched . and of course because of Sikeliot . he did a good brainwashing on people . in reality Turkey (including us kurds ...who are heavily darkwashed and people are ignorant about us) are lighter than Levantines . and Iranians are on pair with Syrians . people have no fucking clue

[Borealis]

I know,its just my obsevation.Some clueless people here talks like some Lebanese and Syrians are lost cousins of south Euros.60-70 percent of Syrian refugees in Turkey are much darker than "dark" Turks and Kurds.Only native Arabs and gypsies are same level or darker.I seen like 2 or 3 times of these lost crusader blood Syrian.

You cannot compare poor refugees to regular Turks and Kurds.

Although someone else has also brought this up. The Syrians where I live all come from upper class backgrounds, and I've heard before that poorer Iranians tend to be darker than their wealthier counterparts. Perhaps there is a class divide all over the world in terms of natural pigmentation. Selection pressure for lighter color among the rich.

[Hadouken]

You cannot compare poor refugees to regular Turks and Kurds.

Although someone else has also brought this up. The Syrians where I live all come from upper class backgrounds, and I've heard before that poorer Iranians tend to be darker than their wealthier counterparts. Perhaps there is a class divide all over the world in terms of natural pigmentation. Selection pressure for lighter color among the rich.

shut up bro :cussing dont make fuck you no homo

[Nattens Madrigal]

yeah levantines are heavily whitewashed as I said before . it is only because some europeans get Levantine in their mixed mode on gedmatch so they want to justify it by whitewashing levantines so the holy europeanness is untouched . and of course because of Sikeliot . he did a good brainwashing on people . in reality Turkey (including us kurds ...who are heavily darkwashed and people are ignorant about us) are lighter than Levantines . and Iranians are on pair with Syrians . people have no fucking clue

Yeah i know ,Sikeliot seems really obsessed with Levantines and Sicilians.Med region in general.

[Haider]

Yes it can. Depending on religion, the different groups will be exposed to different influences. Levantine Christians are known to have slight Crusader ancestry, and less Arabian due to their religion in comparison to their Muslim counterparts-although it probably varies since Levant Muslims are not homogeneous.

It's the other way around. Levantine Christians (except the Maronites) tend to have minimal if any European input, while Muslims tend to score around 5-10%. In terms of Red Sea/Arabian admixture they usually score the same as Muslims, if not slightly higher.

[cyberlorian]

yeah levantines are heavily whitewashed as I said before . it is only because some europeans get Levantine in their mixed mode on gedmatch so they want to justify it by whitewashing levantines so the holy europeanness is untouched . and of course because of Sikeliot . he did a good brainwashing on people . in reality Turkey (including us kurds ...who are heavily darkwashed and people are ignorant about us) are lighter than Levantines . and Iranians are on pair with Syrians . people have no fucking clue

Both Syrians and Lebanese are of course darker than Kurds on average but I think both Syrians and Lebanese are lighter than Iranians on average.

[Hadouken]

Both Syrians and Lebanese are of course darker than Kurds on average but I think both Syrians and Lebanese are lighter than Iranians on average.

I dont know why you see Iranians as so dark . they arent as dark as you think tbh :confused: . but they are diverse of course . dont forget that Iran is bigger than Lebanon and Syria . but I dont get it why people darkwash Iranians so much . it is very weird

[cyberlorian]

I dont know why you see Iranians as so dark . they arent as dark as you think tbh :confused: . but they are diverse of course . dont forget that Iran is bigger than Lebanon and Syria . but I dont get it why people darkwash Iranians so much . it is very weird

Iranians have less European admixture. :D

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_admixture_frequencies_by_country.shtml

[Hadouken]

Iranians have less European admixture. :D

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_admixture_frequencies_by_country.shtml

but more Caucasus

and wtf that kurdish reference ....my results are different . it says 6.1 % Atlantic Med for example but I score almost 10%

I guess those are not turkey kurds

[Haider]

Both Syrians and Lebanese are of course darker than Kurds on average but I think both Syrians and Lebanese are lighter than Iranians on average.

Which Kurds? I've met a lot of Syrian Kurds and they are definitely not lighter, perhaps slightly lighter skinone on average but in terms of hair or eye colour not really. I presume the ones from Iran and Iraq to be darker.

[cyberlorian]

but more Caucasus

and wtf that kurdish reference ....my results are different . it says 6.1 % Atlantic Med for example but I score almost 10%

But Caucasians are darker than Europeans on average.

[Hadouken]

Which Kurds? I've met a lot of Syrian Kurds and they are definitely not lighter, perhaps slightly lighter skinone on average but in terms of hair or eye colour not really. I presume the ones from Iran and Iraq to be darker.

turkish kurds are lighter than levantines trust me but Lebanese are close

[Mr. Anybody]

I wıll claım the battle named "turks lıghter than greeks and kurds" wıll start soon.

[Hadouken]

But Caucasians are darker than Europeans on average.

the Caucasus component is not a dark component . it peaks in west georgia and in adyghea

[Root]

this discussed subject is almost equivalent to 'who has the largest penis'

[Kukushka]

this discussed subject is almost equivalent to 'who has the largest penis'

Left: what TA-members think they look like.
Right: what they want to look like

https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2010/12/29/ee6bce29-a644-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/resize/620x465/e74e3fc1b5d561ed7c356e27709c60bc/michaeljackson-beforeafter.jpg

[Root]

Left: what TA-members think they look like.
Right: what they want to look like

https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2010/12/29/ee6bce29-a644-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/resize/620x465/e74e3fc1b5d561ed7c356e27709c60bc/michaeljackson-beforeafter.jpg






Michael Jackson was a legend, undoubtedly an extremely talented dancer, singer and lyricist..

[Mr. Anybody]

Left: what TA-members think they look like.
Right: what they want to look like

https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2010/12/29/ee6bce29-a644-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/resize/620x465/e74e3fc1b5d561ed7c356e27709c60bc/michaeljackson-beforeafter.jpg

RIP. The legend..

[Mr. Anybody]

Left: what TA-members think they look like.
Right: what they want to look like

https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2010/12/29/ee6bce29-a644-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/resize/620x465/e74e3fc1b5d561ed7c356e27709c60bc/michaeljackson-beforeafter.jpg

You should be ashamed to use this person as an example..bad boy.

[Borealis]

shut up bro :cussing dont make fuck you no homo

I say what I want fuck u

[Hadouken]

I say what I want fuck u

:bdsm:

[Borealis]

:bdsm:

Ugly motherfucker.

[Hadouken]

Ugly motherfucker.

if I am ugly what are you ? show us your face pajeet

[Borealis]

if I am ugly what are you ? show us your face pajeet

At least I have hair. We don’t go bald at 15 unlike you doon coons. Now go get fucked by your Turks, Kurd.

[Hadouken]

At least I have hair. We don’t go bald at 15 unlike you doon coons. Now go get fucked by your Turks, Kurd.

your hair wont safe you you stinky rat . go and piss in the ganges after you tried to rape a foreign woman tourist . most disgusting people on this planet

[Borealis]

your hair wont safe you you stinky rat . go and piss in the ganges after you tried to rape a foreign woman tourist . most disgusting people on this planet

LOL nice try, you try to offend me with stereotypes that do not apply to foreign born diaspora. Meanwhile you are a stereotypical Arab by being low IQ af and acting aggressive to compensate.

[Hadouken]

LOL nice try, you try to offend me with stereotypes that do not apply to foreign born diaspora. Meanwhile you are a stereotypical Arab by being low IQ af and acting aggressive to compensate.

you do know I was just joking with the "shut up or I fuck you no homo" thing no ? :D are you retarded or something ?

[Phenix]

Using you regional categories it would be like that:
1- Northern Caucasus
2- Southern Caucasus
3- Armenia
4- Anatolia
5- Levant
6- Iran
7- Arabian Peninsula

[Asheffar]

According to some people in TA;
Lightest- Christian Levantines, light brown pigmented hallstatt Nordids

Christian levantines are not lighter. They are native to the land ,they look the same as Muslim or druze

[Haider]

Christian levantines are not lighter. They are native to the land ,they look the same as Muslim or druze

Druzes are Muslims.

[Borealis]

Using you regional categories it would be like that:
1- Northern Caucasus
2- Southern Caucasus
3- Armenia
4- Anatolia
5- Levant
6- Iran
7- Arabian Peninsula

Mesopotamia if included would fall in between Iran and Arabian peninsula. Egypt(part of Mideast in most definitions) would prolly be equal to Arabian peninsula.

[Borealis]

Druzes are Muslims.

They are Muslim in the same way Yazidis are Muslim, in other words not at all. Just offshoots of Islam.

[Borealis]

you do know I was just joking with the "shut up or I fuck you no homo" thing no ? :D are you retarded or something ?

You sounded pretty serious though.

[StonyArabia]

Druzes are Muslims.

No, many of them identify as a different religion though some identify as Muslims, same with Alevis.

[Phenix]

Mesopotamia if included would fall in between Iran and Arabian peninsula. Egypt(part of Mideast in most definitions) would prolly be equal to Arabian peninsula.

I couldn't agree more.

[Kivan]

1 - North Caucasus = Georgia
2 - Anatolia
3 - Armenia = Azerbaijan
4 - Israel
5 - Iran
6 - Levant

[StonyArabia]

LOL nice try, you try to offend me with stereotypes that do not apply to foreign born diaspora. Meanwhile you are a stereotypical Arab by being low IQ af and acting aggressive to compensate.

Actually Arabs are friendly people as long you don't hurt them if you can gain their trust especially a Bedouin, their willing to put their life on the line, We take loyalty very seriously. Leave my ethnic group out of it. We have nothing to do with West Asians or you guys lol.

[Borealis]

Actually Arabs are friendly people as long you don't hurt them if you can gain their trust especially a Bedouin, their willing to put their life on the line, We take loyalty very seriously. Leave my ethnic group out of it. We have nothing to do with West Asians or you guys lol.

Nah man its all good. I don't dislike Arabs. I was just trying to trigger him cause he seems to hate Arabs, so what better thing than to call him one. But Arabs, meaning Arabians proper are West Asians right? What else could they be.

[Hadouken]

Nah man its all good. I don't dislike Arabs. I was just trying to trigger him cause he seems to hate Arabs, so what better thing than to call him one. But Arabs, meaning Arabians proper are West Asians right? What else could they be.

I dont hate arabs

[Borealis]

I dont hate arabs

The way you talk about Syrians, it sure seems you do.

[Hadouken]

The way you talk about Syrians, it sure seems you do.

nonsense . I didnt say anything bad towards syrians

[Principe Azzurro]

yeah levantines are heavily whitewashed as I said before . it is only because some europeans get Levantine in their mixed mode on gedmatch so they want to justify it by whitewashing levantines so the holy europeanness is untouched . and of course because of Sikeliot . he did a good brainwashing on people . in reality Turkey (including us kurds ...who are heavily darkwashed and people are ignorant about us) are lighter than Levantines . and Iranians are on pair with Syrians . people have no fucking clue

Not me, I always felt a connection to the Levant as a kid (also helps growing up with many Lebanese) and the Middle East in general, before ever doing a dna test I knew for sure I was going to score MENA, I am dark for Southern European and my olive skin was my defining feature (was always proud of it), I can't really comment on Kurds and Iranians because I haven't met many (probably 5 combined), but Lebanese and Syrians quite a bit, they are darker than Southern Italians (except me, I am darker than most Lebanese and Syrians I know :cool:) for sure but nowhere near Egyptians and the Arabian Peninsula, even the few Palestinians and Jordanians I met also vary, Armenians it depends some are very light and others are very dark, Turks usually the same thing except darker than Armenians in general (from the people I met). As for the rest North Caucasians never met one so no comment.

I guess my list would be (excluding Kurds, Iranians and North Caucasus because of meeting very little people from these backgrounds, and I'll add Egypt)

South Caucasus/Armenia
Turkey
Levant
Egypt
Arabian Peninsula

[Fibonacci]

Put = sign because:

Anatolians are darker than Georgians but lighter than Azeris on average.

Iranians are darker than Syrians, Lebanese and Israelis but lighter than Iraqis and Jordanians on average.

Iranians are not darker than syrians. The southern ones can be dark but central and especially northern ones can be very light. I bet I'm probably lighter than you tbh. Iranians are also very much tanned. My own father has dark arms and face while his body is pale white, Not yellow white or some bullshit but Irish white, Dark my ass.
Ive seen pictures of Iranians in the west where they are not exposed to much UV as they are in Iran. They are either on par with the native population or a shade darker on average. Don't act like Iranians are 30 shades darker than the rest of the middle East.

A good portion of the Israeli population is Iranian Jewish LOL!. They're either polish Iranians or native to Iran. They're still Iranians

[lameduck]

all Northern Middle eastern/West Asians look almost White people to me ,

[FinalFlash]

North Caucasus
S.Caucasus=Armenia=Anatolia=Cyprus
Turkey Kurds=Assyrians
Iran=N. Levant=Mesopotamia
Southern Levant=South Iraq
Arabian peninsula

[cyberlorian]

yeah levantines are heavily whitewashed as I said before . it is only because some europeans get Levantine in their mixed mode on gedmatch so they want to justify it by whitewashing levantines so the holy europeanness is untouched . and of course because of Sikeliot . he did a good brainwashing on people . in reality Turkey (including us kurds ...who are heavily darkwashed and people are ignorant about us) are lighter than Levantines . and Iranians are on pair with Syrians . people have no fucking clue


Iranians are not darker than syrians. The southern ones can be dark but central and especially northern ones can be very light. I bet I'm probably lighter than you tbh. Iranians are also very much tanned. My own father has dark arms and face while his body is pale white, Not yellow white or some bullshit but Irish white, Dark my ass.
Ive seen pictures of Iranians in the west where they are not exposed to much UV as they are in Iran. They are either on par with the native population or a shade darker on average. Don't act like Iranians are 30 shades darker than the rest of the middle East.

A good portion of the Israeli population is Iranian Jewish LOL!. They're either polish Iranians or native to Iran. They're still Iranians

To be honest, when thinking that population of Iran in mostly concentrated on Northern and Western parts of Iran (because there are deserts in Southeastern Iran), only Northern Levatines and coastal Levantines (coastal Syrians and Lebanese) might be lighter than Iranians in general. By the way, not all the Iranians have Iranid phenotype. They also have some lighter phenotypes such as Armenoid, Dinarid and Cappadocian Mediterranid.

Therefore, my final guess would be:

Northern and Western Iranians are on pair with Northern and Western Levantines on average.

Southern and Eastern Iranians are on pair with Southern and Eastern Levantines on average.

Both in Levant and Iran, overall pigmentation goes darker when to move to South and-or East.

Do we agree?

[Fibonacci]

To be honest, when thinking that population of Iran in mostly concentrated on Northern and Western parts of Iran (because there are deserts in Southeastern Iran), only Northern Levatines and coastal Levantines (coastal Syrians and Lebanese) might be lighter than Iranians in general. By the way, not all the Iranians have Iranid phenotype. They also have some lighter phenotypes such as Armenoid, Dinarid and Cappadocian Mediterranid.

Therefore, my final guess would be:

Northern and Western Iranians are on pair with Northern and Western Levantines on average.

Southern and Eastern Iranians are on pair with Southern and Eastern Levantines on average.

Both in Levant and Iran, overall pigmentation goes darker when to move to South and-or East.

Do we agree?

That is more logical. Many of my family members are alpines and I have no doubt in my mind that many of them are lighter than literally everyone in this thread. Their skintone can fit anywhere in Europe. So calling Iranians dark is illogical. On average I would say some people are tanned rather than dark. Those are 2 different things. Tan goes away after a while, but your natural skintone doesn't change.

Iranian soldiers who do constant exercises outside will be much more darker than civilians.

[cyberlorian]

That is more logical. Many of my family members are alpines and I have no doubt in my mind that many of them are lighter than literally everyone in this thread. Their skintone can fit anywhere in Europe. So calling Iranians dark is illogical. On average I would say some people are tanned rather than dark. Those are 2 different things. Tan goes away after a while, but your natural skintone doesn't change.

Iranian soldiers who do constant exercises outside will be much more darker than civilians.

I think darkness is relative. For example Iranians are usually darker than Greeks, Turks, Bulgarians, Armenians but usually lighter than Iraqis, Saudis, Pakistanis, Afghans. Usually, on pair with Syrians and Lebanese.

[Fibonacci]

I think darkness is relative. For example Iranians are usually darker than Greeks, Turks, Bulgarians, Armenians but usually lighter than Iraqis, Saudis, Pakistanis, Afghans. Usually, on pair with Syrians and Lebanese.

Yes but Iran doesn't have a consistent skintone. There are massive varieties where one person can be lighter than the lightest person in Armenia for example. Iran has variety while some west Asian countries don't. This because of its sheer size and the amount of UV its exposed to.

Compare the skintones between Iranian officials and their counterparts

Iranian and Turkish ministers
http://imgur.com/AqGzsGQ.jpg

Iranian minister (right) and Greek prime Minister. they even look similar. The Greek pm could probably pass in Iran
http://imgur.com/eQNRF8L.jpg

The shah and us president
http://imgur.com/M74sjXm.jpg

[cyberlorian]

.

Yes, but Iranid phenotype is mostly darker than the phenotypes which are common among Turkish people: Dinarid, Turanid, Alpinid, Mediterranid,

[Haider]

No, many of them identify as a different religion though some identify as Muslims, same with Alevis.

They are the equivalent to Muslims what Mormons and Letter Day Saints are to Christians. But they are clearly an offshoot of Ismailism.

[Aren]

Anatolia is very diverse though. Just between Turks themself there's quite a variation between various regions.

[Mingle]

1. North Caucasus
2. Georgia
3. Anatolia
4. Azerbaijan
5. Armenia
6. Kurdistan
7. Syria-Lebanon
8. Persia
9. Palestine
10. Iraq
11. Balochistan
12. North Arabia
13. West Arabia (inc. Oman)
14. East Arabia
15. Yemen

[Borealis]

They are the equivalent to Muslims what Mormons and Letter Day Saints are to Christians. But they are clearly an offshoot of Ismailism.

Except all Mormons identify as Christians. Not all Druze identify as Muslims, that alone should pretty much be enough to write them off as Muslim as a whole if they are that diverged. Mormons might be compared to Ahmaddiya Muslims.

[FinalFlash]

1. North Caucasus
2. Georgia
3. Anatolia
4. Azerbaijan
5. Armenia
6. Kurdistan
7. Syria-Lebanon
8. Persia
9. Palestine
10. Iraq
11. Balochistan
12. North Arabia
13. West Arabia (inc. Oman)
14. East Arabia
15. Yemen

Armenians are at least on par with Anatolians. The reason for this is that there are, in all likelihood, regions where the people are darker than Armenia and regions lighter than Armenia. Azeris surely aren't ahead of Armenians.

[StonyArabia]

They are the equivalent to Muslims what Mormons and Letter Day Saints are to Christians. But they are clearly an offshoot of Ismailism.

Yes I know they are originally Ismaili before they developed their own religious believes. Some Druze identify as Muslim, but many also don't. It's the same with Alevis who are an off-shoot of Sufi and 12er Shia Islam. Many Alevis don't consider themselves as Muslims. Ba'his however identify as complete different religion but have their roots in Shia Islam as well. Ahamddyiah are an off-shoot of Sunni Islam for example. In the case of Druze and Alevis, it usually vary from individual to individual some identify as Muslim and others don't.

[Mingle]

Armenians are at least on par with Anatolians. The reason for this is that there are, in all likelihood, regions where the people are darker than Armenia and regions lighter than Armenia. Azeris surely aren't ahead of Armenians.

Armenians based on what I have seen are almost identical to Assyrians in their genetics. That's why I put them below Azeris. I'm sure the difference in skin tone between those three groups isn't very significant anyways.

[Radiy]

North Caucasus
South Caucasus
Armenia
Anatolia
Levant-Iran
Arabia

[Bornoz]

Anatolia is very diverse though. Just between Turks themself there's quite a variation between various regions.

Most members are not aware of that though..

[Bornoz]

How can Armenia be lighter than Anatolia? Their homeland is darkest region of whole Anatolia..

[FinalFlash]

Armenians based on what I have seen are almost identical to Assyrians in their genetics. That's why I put them below Azeris. I'm sure the difference in skin tone between those three groups isn't very significant anyways.

Genotype=/=phenotype. In all likelihood, western Armenian diasporans are overrepresented for us.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?32188-The-Armenians-People-of-Armenia-Caucasus/page235

Take a looksee ^

[FinalFlash]

How can Armenia be lighter than Anatolia? Their homeland is darkest region of whole Anatolia..

The Armenian Highlands, not Eastern Anatolia has had a massive population replacement over the last century. Besides, there are regions in modern day Turkey that are probably darker than modern day Armenia, and regions(western Turkey for instance) that are lighter.

[cyberlorian]

The Armenian Highlands, not Eastern Anatolia has has a massive population replacement over the last century. Besides, there are regions in modern day Turkey that are probably darker than modern day Armenia, and regions(western Turkey for instance) that are lighter.

Only Southeast might be darker.

[cyberlorian]

The Armenian Highlands, not Eastern Anatolia has has a massive population replacement over the last century. Besides, there are regions in modern day Turkey that are probably darker than modern day Armenia, and regions(western Turkey for instance) that are lighter.


Only Southeast might be darker.

Eastern and Southern Anatolians might be on pair with Armenians.

[Kaspias]

North Caucasus and Anatolia
South Caucasus including Armenia
Iran
Levant
Arabic

[FinalFlash]

Eastern and Southern Anatolians might be on pair with Armenians.

I sincerely doubt that majority of the Kurds currently inhabiting the Armenian Highlands and especially anywhere in S. Turkey are on par with Armenians. Western Turkey and probably the Black sea regions, yes.

[cyberlorian]

I sincerely doubt that majority of the Kurds currently inhabiting the Armenian Highlands and especially anywhere in S. Turkey are on par with Armenians. Western Turkey and probably the Black sea regions, yes.

Kurds in Southern Anatolia is rare.

[Bornoz]

The Armenian Highlands, not Eastern Anatolia has had a massive population replacement over the last century. Besides, there are regions in modern day Turkey that are probably darker than modern day Armenia, and regions(western Turkey for instance) that are lighter.

Armenians had always been known for being dark in Anatolia.
They are lighter than Anatolian Kurds but darker than Turks for sure. And Eastern Anatolia is the last place if you are looking for Turks.

If you mean Southwestern Turks, they are pretty much light.

[Hadouken]

I sincerely doubt that majority of the Kurds currently inhabiting the Armenian Highlands and especially anywhere in S. Turkey are on par with Armenians. Western Turkey and probably the Black sea regions, yes.

and why ?

is this misconception about us being so dark still going on ?

[cyberlorian]

and why ?

is this misconception about us being so dark still going on ?

Because of Iranid maybe. :confused:

[Hadouken]

Because of Iranid maybe. :confused:

:picard1: you fucking retard

[cyberlorian]

:picard1: you fucking retard

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[Hadouken]

just lol at you guys . we are no way darker than armenians and central-east anatolian turks

[cyberlorian]

just lol at you guys . we are no way darker than armenians and central-east anatolian turks

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[Hadouken]

siktir lan

[cyberlorian]

siktir lan

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[Bornoz]

Ben kendim yarı Kürt olarak gayet rahatlıkla söyleyebilirim ki averaja vurduğunda Kürtler tabii ki Ermenilerden daha koyu. Türklerden zaten bahsetmiyorum bile.

[Hadouken]

Ben kendim yarı Kürt olarak gayet rahatlıkla söyleyebilirim ki averaja vurduğunda Kürtler tabii ki Ermenilerden daha koyu. Türklerden zaten bahsetmiyorum bile.

bok

[FinalFlash]

and why ?

is this misconception about us being so dark still going on ?

You lot arent dark overall. But there's levels of lightness and darkness. Kurds from Turkey, as well as a lot of Turks(depending on region) are on average, darker than the natives of Armenia and Artsakh. The natives of Armenia and Artsakh, on average are darker than western Turks and probably Black sea coast people as well as Georgians. North Caucasians, are probably lighter than all.

Kurds from Turkey, are on average lighter than other Kurds as well as Levantines and Iranians.

Its kinda logical, no?

[Bornoz]

bok

Bok ne moruk 30 yaşında adamsın :lol:

[Hadouken]

Bok ne moruk 30 yaşında adamsın :lol:

bok iste . yazdiklariniz bok

[Hadouken]

You lot arent dark overall. But there's levels of lightness and darkness. Kurds from Turkey, as well as a lot of Turks(depending on region) are on average, darker than the natives of Armenia and Artsakh. The natives of Armenia and Artsakh, on average are darker than western Turks and probably Black sea coast people as well as Georgians. North Caucasians, are probably lighter than all.

Kurds from Turkey, are on average lighter than other Kurds as well as Levantines and Iranians.

Its kinda logical, no?

ok

[Bornoz]

bok iste . yazdiklariniz bok

Benim yazdığım şey gerçek.
Sen ona bok de ya da deme, o sana kalmış.

[Hadouken]

Armenian or Turkish boy among Kurdish kids

https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/white_child_in_SA.jpg

[FinalFlash]

Armenian or Turkish boy among Kurdish kids

https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/white_child_in_SA.jpg

Lol come on dude, stop. Nobody said that Kurds are Bantus or Hindus.

[Hadouken]

Lol come on dude, stop. Nobody said that Kurds are Bantus or Hindus.

I know for a fact that the misconception of us will NEVER stop no matter what I do for example . we will always be portrayed the wrong way

ok we are darkest :thumb001:

[FinalFlash]

You're not the darkest at all. As a matter of fact, Turkey Kurds are some of the lightest people in the west Asia and middle east region. Take it from me, you lot look Scandinavian compared to the majority of ME people, let alone NA lol

[cyberlorian]

Armenian or Turkish boy among Kurdish kids


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[MEDACHE]

12 pages of raw raunchy owd. bet berkan has printed off this entire thread, taped it around his dildo and is fucking himself senseless

[Bornoz]

I have seen x1000 more Kurds than you have ever seen Hadukın. I am also paternally Kurdish. Which wrong portrait are you talking about :lol:

Kurds are FOR SURE darker than Armenians on average. Of course you can find Kurds who are lighter than 99% of whole Armenia or Turkey but that is not the case

[FinalFlash]

12 pages of raw raunchy owd. bet berkan has printed off this entire thread, taped it around his dildo and is fucking himself senseless

You're a sick fuck lol

[Hadouken]

You're not the darkest at all. As a matter of fact, Turkey Kurds are some of the lightest people in the west Asia and middle east region. Take it from me, you lot look Scandinavian compared to the majority of ME people, let alone NA lol

funny thing is that you are not lighter than me (we are very similar . also phenotypically we are similar) Proud human whose mother is very light is not lighter than me but I am a little on the swarthier side for Kurds from my region . so you guys should be a little more realistic when you write stuff . being darker is nothing bad of course but I am fed up with my people getting misrepresented as lost bantus living among nordic armenians and turks . bullshit

[cyberlorian]

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[Bornoz]

funny thing is that you are not lighter than me (we are very similar . also phenotypically we are similar) Proud human whose mother is very light is not lighter than me but I am a little on the swarthier side for Kurds from my region . so you guys should be a little more realistic when you write stuff . being darker is nothing bad of course but I am fed up with my people getting misrepresented as lost bantus living among nordic armenians and turks . bullshit

I am lighter than you.

[Hadouken]

I have seen x1000 more Kurds than you have ever seen Hadukın. I am also paternally Kurdish. Which wrong portrait are you talking about :lol:

Kurds are FOR SURE darker than Armenians on average. Of course you can find Kurds who are lighter than 99% of whole Armenia or Turkey but that is not the case

how do you know you have seen more kurds . another bullshit comment

your mom is very light and from north caucasus yet you are not lighter than me and I am a little darker for kurds from our regions . you guys are hillarious

the armenians in dersim dont look any different from us either

[Hadouken]

I am lighter than you.

no you arent

[Bornoz]

no you arent

My eyes are telling me that I am.

[FinalFlash]

funny thing is that you are not lighter than me (we are very similar . also phenotypically we are similar) nor Proud human is lighter than me but I am a little on the swarthier side for Kurds from my region . so you guys should be a little more realistic when you write stuff . being darker is nothing bad of course but I am fed up with my people getting misrepresented as lost bantus living among nordic armenians and turks . bullshit

That's because I'm on the swarthier side of the native Armenian spectrum. The majority of Armenians that I see at the market or associate myself with are convincingly a couple of shades lighter than me, at least. That includes most of my immediate family members, relatives and friends.

Besides, you're not exactly dark yourself.

[cyberlorian]

...

[Bornoz]

how do you know you have seen more kurds . another bullshit comment

your mom is very light and from north caucasus yet you are not lighter than me and I am a little darker for kurds from our regions . you guys are hillarious

the armenians in dersim dont look any different from us either

1- I am living in Turkey
2- I have plenty of Kurdish friends
3- I am paternally Kurdish
4- I am member of a party that most members are Kurdish and spesifically Dersim Kurd
5- You are living in Germany

And many more facts

[Hadouken]

My eyes are telling me that I am.

you arent



That's because I'm on the swarthier side of the native Armenian spectrum. The majority of Armenians that I see at the market or associate myself with are convincingly a couple of shades lighter than me, at least. That includes most of my immediate family members, relatives and friends.

Besides, you're not exactly dark yourself.

I am olive skinned but I am a little darker than average for our province

turks , kurds , armenians are all very similar in pigmentation . I dont get it why we are singled out as being the darkies . is it because of IRANIC LANGUAGE ?!!!!!!! AAAAARGHHHHHH

[Hadouken]

1- I am living in Turkey
2- I have plenty of Kurdish friends
3- I am paternally Kurdish
4- I am member of a party that most members are Kurdish and spesifically Dersim Kurd
5- You are living in Germany

And many more facts

here in germany there are enough turks and kurds and I know many . it is enough

and I am full kurd unlike you and know my people better

[Bornoz]

here in germany there are enough turks and kurds and I know many . it is enough

and I am full kurd unlike you and know my people better

Tamamen Kürt olunca daha mı iyi biliyosyshndgshjghnebnkqnegwrıowgjhnakgeork

Muazzam bi adamsın Hadukıncığım yahu

[FinalFlash]

you arent




I am olive skinned but I am a little darker than average for our province

turks , kurds , armenians are all very similar in pigmentation . I dont get it why we are singled out as being the darkies . is it because of IRANIC LANGUAGE ?!!!!!!! AAAAARGHHHHHH

Its not that. It's that Kurds are predisposed to producing a relatively higher frequency of swarthier people. Armenians and Georgians for example are very similar, yet we tend to produce a relatively higher frequency of swarthier people. Sure, the differences might not be MASSIVE, but its noticeable.

[cyberlorian]

here in germany there are enough turks and kurds and I know many . it is enough

and I am full kurd unlike you and know my people better

Aşkım bitti bundan sonra
Çektin gittin bunu kabul et
Yaşananlara saygın yoksa
Al sana benden Hadouket
Al sana benden Hadouket

[Bornoz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AshhRmFweYw

[Marmara]

Most Armenians and Kurds are similar in phenotype and pigmentation, but Armenians have some lighter outliers (Hemshins for instance) while Kurds have darker outliers.

I don't know Hemshins myself but i've heard they are lighter than Anatolians, the average Armenian however is not.

[Hadouken]

some people from my homeprovince . we look like negros next to turks and armenians


http://up.picr.de/29370029oq.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369812eg.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369815wy.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369818uo.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369819hu.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369820yp.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369830ku.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369831hg.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369832bo.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369833jf.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369834ze.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369836rd.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369838wv.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014363fr.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014380ad.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014382et.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014384kz.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014386ot.jpg

http://up.picr.de/33842604ov.jpg


http://up.picr.de/26014392zs.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014395kq.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014397qi.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014398uq.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014399yg.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014400ku.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014403sn.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014404bm.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014430cm.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014431np.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014432hs.jpg

[FinalFlash]

Most Armenians and Kurds are similar in phenotype and pigmentation, but Armenians have some lighter outliers (Hemshins for instance) while Kurds have darker outliers.

I don't know Hemshins myself but i've heard they are lighter than Anatolians, the average Armenian however is not.

The average Armenian from Armenia and Artsakh are at the very least on par, if not lighter than the average Turk, western Turks and coastal Turks excluded.

[FinalFlash]

some people from my homeprovince . we look like negros next to turks and armenians

http://up.picr.de/29370029oq.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369812eg.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369815wy.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369818uo.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369819hu.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369820yp.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369830ku.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369831hg.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369832bo.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369833jf.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369834ze.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369836rd.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29369838wv.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014363fr.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014380ad.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014382et.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014384kz.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014386ot.jpg

http://up.picr.de/33842604ov.jpg


http://up.picr.de/26014392zs.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014395kq.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014397qi.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014398uq.jpg

http://up.picr.de/26014399yg.jpg

You look related to both Armenians and Turks, moreso than mainstream middle eastern people. However, a large portion of Turkey Kurds, look visibly different. These Kurds look more similar to Western Armenians btw.

[Marmara]

The average Armenian from Armenia and Artsakh are at the very least on par, if not lighter than the average Turk, western Turks and coastal Turks excluded.

I see many Azerbaijanis and they are darker than Anatolians, that's where i base my stereotype about Armenians.

Many Armenians look very similar to Kurds by the way.

[Marmara]

You look related to both Armenians and Turks, moreso than mainstream middle eastern people. However, a large portion of Turkey Kurds, look visibly different. These Kurds look more similar to Western Armenians btw.

Kurds definetly don't look Arab if that's the mainstream, it's very easy to tell them apart.

They already look significantly more similar to Armenians than Arabs. They aren't even in between of two, but in between of Armenian and Persian IMO.

[FinalFlash]

I see many Azerbaijanis and they are darker than Anatolians, that's where i base my stereotype about Armenians.

Many Armenians look very similar to Kurds by the way.

Many Turks do too. Azeris are also swarthier than Armenians on average.

Honestly, I'm no nordicist lol so take a look

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?32188-The-Armenians-People-of-Armenia-Caucasus/page235

[Hadouken]

You look related to both Armenians and Turks, moreso than mainstream middle eastern people. However, a large portion of Turkey Kurds, look visibly different. These Kurds look more similar to Western Armenians btw.

lol bro look at us . no way are we darker than armenians and turks . you guys are delusional tbh no offense

[Bornoz]

Şu fotoğrafları atıp durma aga.

Kürtler tabii ki kara. Senin attığın fotoğraftaki insanlar da gayet kara zaten ve bu aşşırı aşırı normal. Gereksiz yere aşırı tepki veriyosun.

YAPMA

[Marmara]

Many Turks do too. Azeris are also swarthier than Armenians on average.

Honestly, I'm no nordicist lol so take a look

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?32188-The-Armenians-People-of-Armenia-Caucasus/page235

Those people in pics are dark and look Kurdish/Azerbaijani.

[Hadouken]

Şu fotoğrafları atıp durma aga.

Kürtler tabii ki kara. Senin attığın fotoğraftaki insanlar da gayet kara zaten ve bu aşşırı aşırı normal. Gereksiz yere aşırı tepki veriyosun.

YAPMA

biz karaysak ozaman tüm türkiye ve ermenistan negroid

[Bornoz]

biz karaysak ozaman tüm türkiye ve ermenistan negroid

Yoh

[Hadouken]

Yoh

sen ne entersan bir cocuksun . baban kürt ve yinede türküm türküm diye bagiriyorsun ve kendi halkini bos yere oldugundan daha kara yapmaya calisiyorsun . bu ne aq

[FinalFlash]

Those people in pics are dark and look Kurdish/Azerbaijani.

Lol come on man. Take a look at my galleries of random footballers I've posted. If those look azerbaijani or Kurdish, than Kurds and azeris look Levantine

[Marmara]

Nobody says Kurds are negros but it's a very accepted fact that Kurds are darker than Turks.

Although East and Southeast Anatolian Turks are on par with Kurds and many Kurds are light while many Turks are dark, but on average Kurds are darker in a very obvious way.

[FinalFlash]

lol bro look at us . no way are we darker than armenians and turks . you guys are delusional tbh no offense

On average, you are.

[Marmara]

Lol come on man. Take a look at my galleries of random footballers I've posted. If those look azerbaijani or Kurdish, than Kurds and azeris look Levantine

I've looked at them, many look very Kurdish, and some other Georgian.

[Hadouken]

On average, you are.

hopefully we will mix with you guys in the future to get closer to nordid :biggrin:

are we darker than Lebanese too btw. ? what about Jordanians ?

I guess Iraq is our color

[DarknessWin]

Lebanese are the most white from them all in the list ,
and by white i mean European genes not just the color of the skin

Not just skin color but "white" must be also Caucasoid race

[Bornoz]

sen ne entersan bir cocuksun . baban kürt ve yinede türküm türküm diye bagiriyorsun ve kendi halkini bos yere oldugundan daha kara yapmaya calisiyorsun . bu ne aq

Kendi halkımı olduğundan daha kara yapmaya çalışmıyorum. Türk'üm Türk'üm diye de bağırmıyorum. Hem Kürt hem de Türk kimliğimi bağrımın en dibine basıyorum ikisini de seviyorum. Başka bir şey olsaydım ona da aynı muameleyi yapardım. Ki senin aksine atalarımın yaşadığı zorluklardan mütevellit, kendi halkımın ve Dünya'da ezilen bütün halkların hakkı için komünist dünya görüşünü benimsedim ben. Yetiştirilişim de bu şekildeydi zaten ama anladığım kadarıyla sen gayet kapitalist takılıyosun sosyalizmle de komünizmle de pek bir alakan yok. Hatta gereksiz milliyetçilik yapıyosun.

Bunun dışında babamın Kürt olmasının yanında annem de Türk. 1950 civarı dedem ve sülalesinin büyük çoğunluğu Sakarya'ya göçmüş. Ben de doğma büyüme İstanbulluyum ve doğduğumdan beri de aşırı sık bir şekilde Sakarya'daki köyüme gidiyorum, başıma bir şey gelmeyecekse oraya da oranın kültürüne de aşığım. Anne memleketi bana 200 km, baba memleketi 1100 km uzakta, doğduğumdan beri Türkçe konuşuyorum Kürtçe de bilmiyorum. Etrafımda çoğunlukla batılılar hatta spesifik olarak Balkan göçmenleri ve Karadenizliler oldu. Bütün bu etkenler üst üste geldiğinde bırak da biraz daha Türk olayım moruk. Kaldı ki milliyet ve milliyetçilik gibi kavramlar pek de s2mde değil gerçek hayatımda açıkçası ama bu sikkim sitede bunları konuşuyoruz işte

Dediğim gibi kara falan da göstermeye çalışmıyorum Kürtleri. Öz gözlemlerime dayanarak onların kara olduklarını düşünüyorum zaten. Ki aslında bunu destekleyen bi ifadede sen de bulundun. Sarışın mavi gözlü bir anneden doğmuş olmama rağmen sarışın mavi gözlü değilim. Babamın karalığı öyle bir dominantmış ki sarışın mavi gözlü çilekeşim en fazla sakalımı kahverengi yapabilmiş, tenim esmer olmamış da buğday olmuş esmer babamınkinin aksine, gözümü de en fazla açık-orta kahverengine kadar açabilmiş. Kardeşimin sarışın mavi gözlü olması bir tık şans heralde.

Bu Kürtleri millete tanıtma olayını da bırak artık bence. Boş bir misyon bu. Bu sikkim sitedeki 3-5 hayatsız faşiste tanıttığın Kürt profili sana fayda etmez moruk

2-3 kere abi dedim diye biraz kalma oldu birtakım bölgelerde sanıyorum ki, hak etmediğini bilsem demezdim. Gereksiz büyüklük kompleksine girme bence.

Son olarak seni şu şarkıyla uğurlayayım. Hadi iyi geceler sana


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INJ_kr_js1w

[rein]

It's the other way around. Levantine Christians (except the Maronites) tend to have minimal if any European input, while Muslims tend to score around 5-10%. In terms of Red Sea/Arabian admixture they usually score the same as Muslims, if not slightly higher.

Additionally I hear Lebanese Muslim have slight African admixture, whilst Christians do not. Is that true?

[Haider]

Additionally I hear Lebanese Muslim have slight African admixture, whilst Christians do not. Is that true?

Shiites/Druzes/Alawites tend to score 2% East African and noisy levels of SSA, basically the same as Christians. Some Sunnis can score an additional 2% SSA, but even so they are the ones who tend to plot closest to Cypriots.

[Mingle]

Genotype=/=phenotype. In all likelihood, western Armenian diasporans are overrepresented for us.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?32188-The-Armenians-People-of-Armenia-Caucasus/page235

Take a looksee ^I've seen Armens and Azeris, its hard for me to judge based on pictures alone since their skin tone is very similar. There's also the issue of cherry picking (which I'm not necessarily saying happened here but it should be taken into account when saying to look at phenotypes or genotypes.

Its true phenotype doesn't equal genotypw, but you can't deny there is a correlation. Genotypes aren't 0% indicative of phenotypes. When they look so similar, then I think genotypes should be considered.

As for the Armens tested being from Western Armenia, we don't really know that. However, every single genetic result I've seen of Armen people showed them to be closest to Assyrians. When I see some results of them being different from Assyrians, then I'll change my mind. But for now, I'll go based on whatever data I have available.

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[FinalFlash]

hopefully we will mix with you guys in the future to get closer to nordid :biggrin:

are we darker than Lebanese too btw. ? what about Jordanians ?

I guess Iraq is our color

Well, you just may. :D

Idk much about Kurds outside of Turkey tbh. You mind enlightening me?

[Nattens Madrigal]

@NarLfc
What is the diffrences between easten and westen Armenia,especially about demographics?
Btw the people you posted %99 of them can pass as ordinary Turks and Kurds.

[Zroota]

Christian levantines are not lighter. They are native to the land ,they look the same as Muslim or druze
Not to the untrained eye they don't. Muslim Levantines, the many of them, have Arabian blood and thus would be darker naturally. Now this doesn't mean Christian Levantines are white Europeans, but it means the Muslims there are tad darker. Sure, I've seen light Muslim Lebanese people. But I'm speaking about the majority. The more 'Arab looking' ones do tend to be darker on average than their Christian counterparts.

[FinalFlash]

I've seen Armens and Azeris, its hard for me to judge based on pictures alone since their skin tone is very similar. There's also the issue of cherry picking (which I'm not necessarily saying happened here but it should be taken into account when saying to look at phenotypes or genotypes.

Its true phenotype doesn't equal genotypw, but you can't deny there is a correlation. Genotypes aren't 0% indicative of phenotypes. When they look so similar, then I think genotypes should be considered.

As for the Armens tested being from Western Armenia, we don't really know that. However, every single genetic result I've seen of Armen people showed them to be closest to Assyrians. When I see some results of them being different from Assyrians, then I'll change my mind. But for now, I'll go based on whatever data I have available.

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What about Azeris? You know that their closest matches are Kurds and Iranians, right? We need to consider both sides before we can come to a conclusion.

[FinalFlash]

@NarLfc
What is the diffrences between easten and westen Armenia,especially about demographics?
Btw the people you posted %99 of them can pass as ordinary Turks and Kurds.

Regional genetic differences as well as phenotypical differences. I make these observations based on ancestryDNA results I've seen from both western and eastern Armenians.

[Zroota]

turks , kurds , armenians are all very similar in pigmentation . I dont get it why we are singled out as being the darkies . is it because of IRANIC LANGUAGE ?!!!!!!! AAAAARGHHHHHH
Relax Lol. Armenians are just more northern shifted, so in turn they will be lighter than Kurds. And Georgians will be lighter than Armenians. And so on and so forth. It's a spectrum. Doesn't mean you're 'dark', and this also has nothing to do with you speaking Iranic, Semitic or whatever languages. Besides, Armenians are only slightly lighter than Kurds. It's just nature and geography. In my eyes, this is how my 'lightest to darkest' list goes:

1. Georgians
2. Armenians
3. Kurds
4. Assyrians/Lebanese/Druze
5. Syrians
6. Iraqi/Palestinian Arabs
7. Gulf Arabs

To note, Iranians, Turks and Israelis tend to look very diverse, so I can't put them in one spot. But let's say Iranians may vary between 3 and 5, Turks 1 and 3 and Israelis 2 and 4?

[FinalFlash]

Relax Lol. Armenians are just more northern shifted, so in turn they will be lighter than Kurds. And Georgians will be lighter than Armenians. And so on and so forth. It's a spectrum. Doesn't mean you're 'dark', and this also has nothing to do with you speaking Iranic, Semitic or whatever languages. An they're only slightly lighter than you. It's just nature and geography. In my eyes, this is how my lightest to darkest list goes:

1. Georgians
2. Armenians
3. Kurds
4. Assyrians/Lebanese/Druze
5. Syrians
6. Iraqi/Palestinian Arabs
7. Gulf Arabs

To note, Turks and Israelis tend to look very diverse, so I can't put them in one spot.

Oh look! A voice of reason lol

[Mingle]

What about Azeris? You know that their closest matches are Kurds and Iranians, right? We need to consider both sides before we can come to a conclusion.

Azeris (at least those from the Republic of Azerbaijan) usually get Anatolian Turks as their top match, though they're quite close to Kurds too (though not as close as Armens are to Assyrians). But in case you wanna see for yourself, F900016 is the GEDmatch number of an Azeri from the southern-central part (Aghjabadi) of the Republic of Azerbaijan. They get Turks as their top match in most calcs.

I think it'd make sense to say ones from the republic are a bit lighter but Iranian Azeris are a bit darker. But you may be right that Armens are lighter than both, I just didn't think too deeply about that part TBH.

[Kivan]

In my eyes, this is how my 'lightest to darkest' list goes:

1. Georgians
2. Armenians
3. Kurds
4. Assyrians/Lebanese/Druze
5. Syrians
6. Iraqi/Palestinian Arabs
7. Gulf Arabs

To note, Iranians, Turks and Israelis tend to look very diverse, so I can't put them in one spot. But let's say Iranians may vary between 3 and 5, Turks 1 and 3 and Israelis 2 and 4?

There is a diversity, but there is also a limit. There is no huge difference between most of regions of the country in terms of pigmentation if we are talking about the local population. Native population of Western and Northern Anatolia + Thracian region are definetely lighter than the rest of the country, and ethnic Turks are mainly from these regions. Only regions closer to Syria, Iraq and Iran (South/East) are substantially darker, but it is regardless of ethnicity.

Kurds and Armenians are not homogenous groups at all. They also have their diversity(for instance, those Kurds from Syria look closer to Levantines apparently while those from Eastern Turkey look closer to Armenians).

[cyberlorian]

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Iranians have slightly less Caucasian admixture than Syrians and Lebanese: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259667-Iranians-have-slightly-less-Caucasian-admixture-than-Syrians-and-Lebanese

[MEDACHE]

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[cyberlorian]

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Not spray but some sort of creams do exist as far as I know. :D

[rein]

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[MEDACHE]

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create an exclusive nordic sperm bank

pitch to the united nations to include nordic sperm in the rations they air drop to mena's... sperm can be stored and easily deposited in those dildos that shoot fake sperm

upon pitch success un makes a 2 trillion dollar order with your company... you are laughing all the way to the bank

[Fibonacci]

Iranians have slightly less Caucasian admixture than Syrians and Lebanese: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259667-Iranians-have-slightly-less-Caucasian-admixture-than-Syrians-and-Lebanese

Buddy, have you even seen the sample sizes? For example Iran has 27 and Armenia has 60. Caspian Iranians are 99% similar to southern kavakz groups. The average should be a lot higher than that. Especially when you start testing northern Iranians like azeris and Caspian ones. These sample sizes are full of bullshit

I also know that a lot of Armenians live in Lebanon due to religious similarities. I personally know Armenians who have family in Lebanon. So how do you know that those Lebanese aren't Armenians? Lots of bullshit. An ethnic Arab from the Levant doesn't have shit worth caucasian. Iran itself has history of migrations between kavkaz. 38% my ass cheeks.

[cyberlorian]

Buddy, have you even seen the sample sizes? For example Iran has 27 and Armenia has 60. Caspian Iranians are 99% similar to southern kavakz groups. The average should be a lot higher than that. Especially when you start testing northern Iranians like azeris and Caspian ones. These sample sizes are full of bullshit

I also know that a lot of Armenians live in Lebanon due to religious similarities. I personally know Armenians who have family in Lebanon. So how do you know that those Lebanese aren't Armenians? Lots of bullshit. An ethnic Arab from the Levant doesn't have shit worth caucasian. Iran itself has history of migrations between kavkaz. 38% my ass cheeks.

Even Saudis score 20.5 percent Caucasian. 38 percent is very normal for a Levantine.

[FinalFlash]

Even Saudis score 20.5 percent Caucasian. 38 percent is very normal for a Levantine.

38 percent is quite high for a levantine on average considering nearly half or exactly half their admixture solely consists of "east med" on Gedmatch tests, particularly Eurogenes K15. When you also consider other components they score in high numbers like Red sea, South Asian, various euro admixtures and even African admixture, then that doesn't leave nearly enough room to score anywhere close to 38% Caucasian.

[Kukushka]

anyone want to become a billionaire overnight?

instead of having spray tans that anglo's use... create pale spray for mena's

Haha

[Aren]

Additionally I hear Lebanese Muslim have slight African admixture, whilst Christians do not. Is that true?

Yes, all Arabs score some level of African. Christian Levantines don't.

[cyberlorian]

38 percent is quite high for a levantine on average considering nearly half or exactly half their admixture solely consists of "east med" on Gedmatch tests, particularly Eurogenes K15. When you also consider other components they score in high numbers like Red sea, South Asian, various euro admixtures and even African admixture, then that doesn't leave nearly enough room to score anywhere close to 38% Caucasian.

Levantines are not pure Arabs. They are mostly Arabicised natives.

[Aren]

Relax Lol. Armenians are just more northern shifted, so in turn they will be lighter than Kurds. And Georgians will be lighter than Armenians. And so on and so forth. It's a spectrum. Doesn't mean you're 'dark', and this also has nothing to do with you speaking Iranic, Semitic or whatever languages. Besides, Armenians are only slightly lighter than Kurds. It's just nature and geography. In my eyes, this is how my 'lightest to darkest' list goes:

1. Georgians
2. Armenians
3. Kurds
4. Assyrians/Lebanese/Druze
5. Syrians
6. Iraqi/Palestinian Arabs
7. Gulf Arabs

To note, Iranians, Turks and Israelis tend to look very diverse, so I can't put them in one spot. But let's say Iranians may vary between 3 and 5, Turks 1 and 3 and Israelis 2 and 4?

I don't know what kind of Kurds you are used to, but Iraqi Kurds who live among us are darker for sure.

[StonyArabia]

Truly an OWD/Complexed thread

[Babak]

Both Syrians and Lebanese are of course darker than Kurds on average but I think both Syrians and Lebanese are lighter than Iranians on average.

Lebanese, yea. Syrians? No

[Lugh]

Actually, Iranians and Kurds appear to be closer to CHG and their sister cluster Iran_N than Armenians, and rather on par with Georgians. Though admixture wise this is mostly due to their Iran_N ancestry which occupies a somewhat similar position on the PCA (as again, CHG and Iran_N are related).
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[user_]

LOL putting Georgia with Azerbaijan and Armenia even below Azerbaijan, thats bullshit, you guys have no idea what Kavkas is.

Georgians are definitely the lightest among Caucasians, both north and south.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OatrQek3TNw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Hzeo1LWNQ

[Gangrel]

^^LOL

[FinalFlash]

LOL putting Georgia with Azerbaijan and Armenia even below Azerbaijan, thats bullshit, you guys have no idea what Kavkas is.

Georgians are definitely the lightest among Caucasians, both north and south.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OatrQek3TNw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Hzeo1LWNQ

I agree that its ridiculous to put Azerbaijan on par with Georgia and even ahead of Armenia, but do you really think Georgians are lighter than Chechens, Circassians and North Ossetians on average? Seems a bit of a stretch, no?

[user_]

I agree that its ridiculous to put Azerbaijan on par with Georgia and even ahead of Armenia, but do you really think Georgians are lighter than Chechens, Circassians and North Ossetians on average? Seems a bit of a stretch, no?

I think western part of Caucasus is the lightest, so black sea Georgians and Abkhazians are lighter than north Caucasus, especially the Eastern part like Dagestan.


For example this is a Georgian phenotype from Kutaisi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJU5shfORwU

Abkhazian phenotype, and they are similar with Georgian sub ethnic groups of Megrelians and Imeretians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn4926wkWFI

And Adighe phenotypes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv-ofbKIwJc

Cherkes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP8elnPRwaw

Lezgin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzP8XqKNDKk


All gilrs are very representative for their nations.

[FinalFlash]

I think western part of Caucasus is the lightest, so black sea Georgians and Abkhazians are lighter than north Caucasus, especially the Eastern part like Dagestan.


For example this is a Georgian phenotype from Kutaisi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJU5shfORwU

Abkhazian phenotype, and they are similar with Georgian sub ethnic groups of Megrelians and Imeretians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn4926wkWFI

And Adighe phenotypes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv-ofbKIwJc

Cherkes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP8elnPRwaw

Lezgin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzP8XqKNDKk


All gilrs are very representative for their nations.

I guess the pigment levels arent too massive to begin with. I do know that Dagestanis are the darkest of the N. Caucasus for sure but I always assumed, chechens and adyghe were the lightest in the region, especially considering how much Steppe admixture they tend to have.

Those Cherkess and Lezgin women look strange. The cherkess looks more stereotypically Azeri imo as I sense something Asian about her look.

Lol is this that website where they portrayed some funky Persian looking woman as a typical Armenian "beauty"?

[user_]

I guess the pigment levels arent too massive to begin with. I do know that Dagestanis are the darkest of the N. Caucasus for sure but I always assumed, chechens and adyghe were the lightest in the region, especially considering how much Steppe admixture they tend to have.

Those Cherkess and Lezgin women look strange. The cherkess looks more stereotypically Azeri imo as I sense something Asian about her look.

Depigmentation in Georgia is local and peaks in Vani town, where almost 50% of people have light eyes and hair.
This could be because of mild climate of Western Georgia, compared with continental and dry North Caucasus.


Adighe people had mixed a bit with Nogai people, who actually are Kazakhs.

[mustafa1]

(I include Caucasus too so there is more regions)

Try to class these regions from lightest to darkest : Levant, Anatolia, Armenia, North Caucasus, Arabic Peninsule, South Caucasus, Iran

Personally i would say :
North Caucasus
South Caucasus
Anatolia
Armenia
Iran
Levant
Arabic Peninsule

Iran and Levant has not the same skin colour
and as you see Syria has lightest skin than all parts of Iran

http://i68.tinypic.com/zpx75.jpg


http://i64.tinypic.com/5ec27p.png

[mustafa1]

Relax Lol. Armenians are just more northern shifted, so in turn they will be lighter than Kurds. And Georgians will be lighter than Armenians. And so on and so forth. It's a spectrum. Doesn't mean you're 'dark', and this also has nothing to do with you speaking Iranic, Semitic or whatever languages. Besides, Armenians are only slightly lighter than Kurds. It's just nature and geography. In my eyes, this is how my 'lightest to darkest' list goes:

1. Georgians
2. Armenians
3. Kurds
4. Assyrians/Lebanese/Druze
5. Syrians
6. Iraqi/Palestinian Arabs
7. Gulf Arabs

To note, Iranians, Turks and Israelis tend to look very diverse, so I can't put them in one spot. But let's say Iranians may vary between 3 and 5, Turks 1 and 3 and Israelis 2 and 4?

Syrians are diverse
The northern part of Syria are lighter than Lebanese, Druze and Kurds from Iran and Iraq

http://i68.tinypic.com/zpx75.jpg

[FinalFlash]

Syrians are diverse
The northern part of Syria are lighter than Lebanese, Druze and Kurds from Iran and Iraq

http://i68.tinypic.com/zpx75.jpg

I'm skeptical at the validity of this map. According to this map South Euros, N. Caucasians, and Balkanites(come on really?) are on par with Anatolia and South Caucasus. Personally, I find that to be a bit of a stretch to say the least. What's even more ridiculous than that is that somehow, Levantines, NW Iranians and a large portion of N. Africa(lol) is on par with S. Europe, the Balkans and N. Caucasus.

And apparently the majority of Asia is on par with them as well...

[mustafa1]

I'm skeptical at the validity of this map. According to this map South Euros, N. Caucasians, and Balkanites(come on really?) are on par with Anatolia and South Caucasus. Personally, I find that to be a bit of a stretch to say the least. What's even more ridiculous than that is that somehow, Levantines, NW Iranians and a large portion of N. Africa(lol) is on par with S. Europe, the Balkans and N. Caucasus.

And apparently the majority of Asia is on par with them as well...

Maybe this map is better
http://i64.tinypic.com/5ec27p.png

[Kivan]

Maybe this map is better
http://i64.tinypic.com/5ec27p.png

Totally wrong about Turkey(Western Anatolia and East Thrace darker than Southeast region? LOL).
And North-Africans on par with SE? You must be kidding.

[Babak]

Maybe this map is better
http://i64.tinypic.com/5ec27p.pngNone of these maps are accurate.

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[xtal]

North west Caucasus
North east Caucasus = Georgia
Kara deniz region of Anatolia
Anatolia = Armenia = Azerbaijan =Iranian Azerbaijan
Syria and Lebanon
Centeral Iran = Mesopotamia
Palestine and Israel
Arabian peninsula

[xtal]

North west Caucasus
North east Caucasus = Georgia
Kara deniz region of Anatolia
Anatolia = Armenia = Azerbaijan =Iranian Azerbaijan
Syria and Lebanon
Centeral Iran = Mesopotamia
Palestine and Israel
Arabian peninsula

Some notes:
I think circassians and abkhazians are the lightest
Western Georgians are lighter than easterns
Skin color varies a lot in Various regions of Anatolia but the more north you go the lighter you get
Armenians and Azeris(including most northern provinces of Iran) can vary a lot but in general they are about the same and can be lighter than Kurds
I think Syrians and Lebanese are about the same with most Iranians but some Iranians can be darker like Mesopotamian Arabs and Kurds.
I have no idea about other Arabs but everybody says they are the darkest.

[Hadouken]

Some notes:
I think circassians and abkhazians are the lightest
Western Georgians are lighter than easterns
Skin color varies a lot in Various regions of Anatolia but the more north you go the lighter you get
Armenians and Azeris(including most northern provinces of Iran) can vary a lot but in general they are about the same and can be lighter than Kurds
I think Syrians and Lebanese are about the same with most Iranians but some Iranians can be darker like Mesopotamian Arabs and Kurds.
I have no idea about other Arabs but everybody says they are the darkest.

kurds are the darkest . we are darker than south iranians and bedouins

[xtal]

kurds are the darkest . we are darker than south iranians and bedouinsNo way Anatolian Kurds (kurmanji) are darker than Iranians

[Congolese Rice]

kurds are the darkest . we are darker than south iranians and bedouins

lol. if kurds are darker than bedouins i am a official black man now

[Hadouken]

No way Anatolian Kurds (kurmanji) are darker than Iranians

of course not . we are one of the lightest "menas" . we are darkwashed and only because I point this out I am accused of being owd :lol: haters gonna hate

[xtal]

of course not . we are one of the lightest "menas" . we are darkwashed and only because I point this out I am accused of being owd [emoji38] haters gonna hateBut i still think Iraqi and Iranian kurds are darker

[Hadouken]

But i still think Iraqi and Iranian kurds are darker

iraqi kurds often surprise me with their look but many also look "normal" kurdish . I dont think iranian kurds are much dark and an area of iranian kurdistan is very light actually . the lightest kurds are some mountain highlanders who can have often light pigmentation . often on pkk portraits you can see such types. but that is not typical . most kurds are black or brown haired and brown eyed (sometimes hazel) .

[xtal]

iraqi kurds often surprise me with their look but many also look "normal" kurdish . I dont think iranian kurds are much dark and an area of iranian kurdistan is very light actually . the lightest kurds are some mountain highlanders who can have often light pigmentation . often on pkk portraits you can see such types. but that is not typical . most kurds are black or brown haired and brown eyed (sometimes hazel) .Nice to know

[Area51Defender]

Israel
North Caucasus
Georgia
West Turkey
Armenia
Central Turkey
East Turkey
North Azerbaijan
Kurdistan
South Azerbaijan
Syria
Lebanon
Iraq
Jordan
Palestine
Iran
Kuwait
Saudi Arabia
Bahrain
Qatar
United Arab Emirates
Oman
Yemen

[Chocolate_Hound]

Lightest - Levant, coastal Maghreb. Darkest - Gulf + Iraq, inland North Africans
Mixed - Egyptians on average are pretty dark but I've met many fair ones as well