Lightest to Darkest South asian regions

[Thambi]

I'm including pashtuns and balochis in pakistan just for the sake of them being part of the south asian region politically/geographically, not exactly due to being related to south asians genetically. hope certain members wont get offended.

Anyways my ranking
Chitralis = Pashtuns
Balochis
Northern punjabis = Kashmiris
Ladakhis/baltis (eastern kashmir tibetan groups)
Paharis (nepalese, himachal, uttarakhand)
NW Indians = Eastern pakistanis = NE indians
Western Indians
North Indians (UP, Bihar) = Bangladesh = North/NW indian low castes
Central Indians (all castes)
South Indians (all castes)
Srilankans
Central Indian tribals
South Indian tribals

[lameduck]

Chitralis, Gilgitis(including hunzas, wakhis etc), Northern Pashtuns
Rest Of Pashtuns
Suleimani Balochs , Kashmiris
North Punjabis
Upper Cast Punjabi/Sindhis/Haryanvis
rest of Balochs
Upper castes from UP, Bihar, Maharashtra, Gujrat,
Low cast Punjabi/sindhis, rest of UP/Biharis
Central Indians
South Indians

[Thambi]

Chitralis, Gilgitis, Northern Pashtuns
Rest Of Pashtuns , Suleimani Balochs , Kashmiris
North Punjabis
Upper Cast Punjabi/Sindhis/Haryanvis
rest of Balochs
Upper castes from UP, Bihar, Maharashtra, Gujrat,
Low cast Punjabi/sindhis, rest of UP/Biharis
Central Indians
South Indians

majority of balochis are darker than upper/mid caste punjabis and sindhis?

[lameduck]

majority of balochis are darker than upper/mid caste punjabis and sindhis?

majority are suleimani balochs , others can have SSA admix in various degrees.

[Mingle]

You forgot Baltis/Ladakhis. I'd put them before Paharis. NE Indians are probably on par with NW Indians.

Low caste North Indians are missing (mentioning them cause you included tribals for Central India and South India).

Also, Pashtuns & Baloches are only part of South Asia politically not geographically.

[Thambi]

You forgot Baltis/Ladakhis. I'd put them before Paharis. NE Indians are probably on par with NW Indians.

Low caste North Indians are missing (mentioning them cause you included tribals for Central India and South India).

Also, Pashtuns & Baloches are only part of South Asia politically not geographically.

yeah the baltis/ladhakis are probably between kashmiris and paharis.

NE indians yeh i guess they are about the same shade as NW indians.

and idk the north indian low castes are similar to regular north indians. Low castes and tribals are different actually. tribals are like paniyas, irulas in the south or austroasiatic influenced mundas/gondis in central india. The low castes still look like mainstream indians in features and skin tone. The north indian low castes dont differ that much from other regular up/bihari north indians imo.

and by politically i just meant the borders. geographically yes western pakistan is on the iranian plateau. I just use those terms interchangeably.

[Mingle]

yeah the baltis/ladhakis are probably between kashmiris and paharis.

and idk the north indian low castes are similar to regular north indians. Low castes and tribals are different actually. tribals are like paniyas, irulas in the south or austroasiatic influenced mundas/gondis in central india. The low castes still look like mainstream indians in features and skin tone. The north indian low castes dont differ that much from other regular up/bihari north indians imo.

and by politically i just meant the borders. geographically yes western pakistan is on the iranian plateau. I just use those terms interchangeably.

Churas and Chamars look quite different to Jatts and Rajputs. Low caste Punjabis from Lahore were found to be genetically closer to South Indians than to upper caste Punjabis. So lower castes from the north should be treated separately from upper castes if tribals and non-tribals are grouped separately in Central/South India.

[FinalFlash]

Lightest=least south Asian admixture
Darkest= most south Asian admixture

[lameduck]

I have altered my rankings , I am putting balochs/kashmiris below Rest of Pashtuns

also gilgits include (Hunzas, Wakhis) as well as they are atleast on par with chitralis if not lighter.

[Thambi]

Churas and Chamars look quite different to Jatts and Rajputs. Low caste Punjabis from Lahore were found to be genetically closer to South Indians than to upper caste Punjabis. So lower castes from the north should be treated separately from upper castes if tribals and non-tribals are grouped separately in Central/South India.

oh you're talking about the NW indian low castes. yes, they are similar to other north indian low castes from UP, bihar, general north india. Yes the low castes in NW region like punjab are roughly similar to regular north indians. So all the NW indian and North indian low castes would be roughly similar to north indian(UP/bihar) and Bangladesh region in terms of skin tone.

[lameduck]

Lightest=least south Asian admixture
Darkest= most south Asian admixture

not necessarily , geography and climate plays a big role as well, e,g Gilgit Baltistanis from North Pakistan score more South Asian than balochs , but they are significantly lighter.

[Thambi]

Lightest=least south Asian admixture
Darkest= most south Asian admixture

A lot of nepalis and north east indian mongoloids have less than 10% south asian. They are on average still darker than a lot of northern/western pakistani, kashmiri groups.

but agree with the darkest being most south asian. south indian tribals have the most south asian, around 85% and they indeed are pitch black approaching purple.

[Thambi]

I have altered my rankings , I am putting balochs/kashmiris below Rest of Pashtuns

also gilgits include (Hunzas, Wakhis) as well as they are atleast on par with chitralis if not lighter.

where's the cutoff for northern pashtun groups on the map?

yeah hunzas, gilgits are very light. would you say they are lightest overall?

[lameduck]

some crowd pictures of each of them , atleast i will cover the ones in Pakistan

1)Chitralis/Gilgits/Northern Pashtuns
https://www.groundreport.com/wp-content/uploads/archived/01343865940_ARTICLE_IMAGE_3243jpg.jpg
http://www.dardistantimes.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_story_image/public/dt-picture-gallery/ismailis-chitral-celebrate-phatak-festival.jpg?itok=Jhl7Kbni
http://www.dardistantimes.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_story_image/public/dt-picture-gallery/ismailis-chitral-celebrate-phatak-festival_8.jpg?itok=lgvv11VR
Rest Of Pashtuns
2) https://c.tribune.com.pk/2012/08/426639-people-1346004368-323-640x480.jpg
Kashmiris/Balochs
3)http://images.assettype.com/swarajya/2017-06/98c617cf-81eb-44a2-8ab4-10053b1783f1/baloch.jpg?w=1280&q=100&fmt=pjpeg&auto=format
http://kashmirwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Screen-Shot-2016-03-22-at-23.51.58.jpg

4) North Punjabis

https://c.tribune.com.pk/2012/09/440569-protestPHOTOINP-1348251268-568-640x480.JPG
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJNrlAtXcAAXtl-.jpg
upper cast/Punjabi/SIndhis

https://i.imgur.com/RfcR94I.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SL9nRAd.jpg

[Swarthy_Syndicate]

You forgot Baltis/Ladakhis. I'd put them before Paharis. NE Indians are probably on par with NW Indians.

Low caste North Indians are missing (mentioning them cause you included tribals for Central India and South India).

Also, Pashtuns & Baloches are only part of South Asia politically not geographically.

It's actually the opposite. They are South Asian geographically but not culturally/genetically.

Then again, if you consider the subcontinent actually starts east of the Indus River, then technically half of Pakistan isn't even located in South Asia.