*NEW GEDmatch Result (Converted 23andme v5 to v3)

[Dukagjini]

I converted my 23andme v5 to v3, and I got a different Gedmatch result. Here is my 23andme v3 Gedmatch.

Cheers to IncelSlayer for providing me the link and info to convert. :thumb001:

https://wilhelmhgenealogy.wordpress.com/convert-23andme-to-myheritage-and-gedmatch-classic/

Admix Results (sorted): --->Eurogenes K13

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.14
2 East_Med 23.24
3 West_Med 20.93
4 Baltic 18.73
5 West_Asian 9.59
6 Red_Sea 2.68
7 East_Asian 0.64
8 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.87
2 Bulgarian 6.82
3 Romanian 7.87
4 Tuscan 8.84
5 North_Italian 10.66
6 Italian_Abruzzo 11.06
7 Serbian 11.36
8 West_Sicilian 11.72
9 Central_Greek 12.34
10 East_Sicilian 13.36
11 Ashkenazi 15.14
12 South_Italian 15.98
13 Portuguese 17.91
14 Moldavian 18.09
15 Spanish_Extremadura 18.58
16 Spanish_Galicia 18.88
17 Hungarian 19.23
18 Spanish_Murcia 19.58
19 Spanish_Cataluna 19.64
20 Spanish_Valencia 19.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.8% Bulgarian + 43.2% Tuscan @ 1.78
2 50.8% Serbian + 49.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.66
3 71.2% West_Sicilian + 28.8% Ukrainian @ 2.67
4 64.1% West_Sicilian + 35.9% Croatian @ 2.69
5 70.7% West_Sicilian + 29.3% South_Polish @ 2.7
6 84.8% Greek_Thessaly + 15.2% Southeast_English @ 2.7
7 81.6% Greek_Thessaly + 18.4% South_Dutch @ 2.73
8 53.3% Romanian + 46.7% Tuscan @ 2.79
9 80.9% Greek_Thessaly + 19.1% West_German @ 2.81
10 85.6% Greek_Thessaly + 14.4% Southwest_English @ 2.81
11 60.8% Romanian + 39.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.81
12 85.8% Greek_Thessaly + 14.2% Orcadian @ 2.85
13 79.4% Greek_Thessaly + 20.6% French @ 2.87
14 73.3% West_Sicilian + 26.7% Polish @ 2.88
15 85.7% Greek_Thessaly + 14.3% North_Dutch @ 2.88
16 86.5% Greek_Thessaly + 13.5% Norwegian @ 2.89
17 80.1% Greek_Thessaly + 19.9% Austrian @ 2.92
18 85.7% Greek_Thessaly + 14.3% Danish @ 2.93
19 86.5% Greek_Thessaly + 13.5% West_Scottish @ 2.97
20 86.4% Greek_Thessaly + 13.6% Swedish @ 2.98

[Gründig]

What did the converting change?

also, how hard is the conversion?

[Dukagjini]

What did the converting change?

also, how hard is the conversion?

This is my old, Eurogenes K13 (23andme v5)

North atlantic is higher, some plot changes

Admix Results (sorted):



# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.4
2 North_Atlantic 22.11
3 West_Med 21.56
4 Baltic 18.02
5 West_Asian 11.99
6 Red_Sea 1.55
7 Oceanian 0.34
8 Northeast_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.15
2 Bulgarian 7.35
3 Romanian 9.21
4 Tuscan 9.38
5 Italian_Abruzzo 9.69
6 Central_Greek 10.19
7 West_Sicilian 10.73
8 East_Sicilian 11.6
9 North_Italian 12.25
10 Serbian 13.28
11 Ashkenazi 13.83
12 South_Italian 14.06
13 Moldavian 19.47
14 Italian_Jewish 19.75
15 Algerian_Jewish 19.94
16 Portuguese 20.12
17 Sephardic_Jewish 20.14
18 Spanish_Extremadura 20.58
19 Spanish_Galicia 21.16
20 Hungarian 21.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.3% Bulgarian + 39.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.71
2 91.7% Greek_Thessaly + 8.3% Southeast_English @ 3.03
3 89.5% Greek_Thessaly + 10.5% West_German @ 3.04
4 89% Greek_Thessaly + 11% Austrian @ 3.06
5 90.1% Greek_Thessaly + 9.9% South_Dutch @ 3.06
6 92.2% Greek_Thessaly + 7.8% Southwest_English @ 3.07
7 92.4% Greek_Thessaly + 7.6% Orcadian @ 3.09
8 92.3% Greek_Thessaly + 7.7% North_Dutch @ 3.09
9 90.1% Greek_Thessaly + 9.9% East_German @ 3.1
10 92.7% Greek_Thessaly + 7.3% Norwegian @ 3.1
11 92.3% Greek_Thessaly + 7.7% Danish @ 3.12
12 92.6% Greek_Thessaly + 7.4% Irish @ 3.12
13 92.8% Greek_Thessaly + 7.2% West_Scottish @ 3.13
14 92.7% Greek_Thessaly + 7.3% Swedish @ 3.14
15 91.9% Greek_Thessaly + 8.1% North_German @ 3.14
16 67.4% Bulgarian + 32.6% South_Italian @ 3.17
17 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% French @ 3.17
18 61.3% Romanian + 38.7% South_Italian @ 3.19
19 76.7% Greek_Thessaly + 23.3% Romanian @ 3.22
20 90.7% Greek_Thessaly + 9.3% Southwest_French @ 3.23

[Dukagjini]

What did the converting change?

also, how hard is the conversion?

The conversion was not hard just follow instructions here if you want.

https://wilhelmhgenealogy.wordpress.com/convert-23andme-to-myheritage-and-gedmatch-classic/

[Rgvgjhvv]

The conversion was not hard just follow instructions here if you want.

https://wilhelmhgenealogy.wordpress.com/convert-23andme-to-myheritage-and-gedmatch-classic/

I'm going to try this out cheers buddy

[Lucas]

I think everyone with V5 should try it. Having 160K snps instead of 45K in Gedmatch is big deal really. Quite big differences in components for Dukagijni, bigger than for some people between FTDNA and Ancestry for example.

[Dukagjini]

I think everyone with V5 should try it. Having 160K snps instead of 45K in Gedmatch is big deal really. Quite big differences in components for Dukagijni, bigger than for some people between FTDNA and Ancestry for example.

Yes it's very good. :thumb001: You can even convert from 23andme to FTDNA/Ancestry but idk how good it is for that conversion. Aren't you a geneaologist? Do you know of any other admix calculators that are accurate, reliable that show ancestry components?

[someonenotyou]

n/v found it.

[Gründig]

I think everyone with V5 should try it. Having 160K snps instead of 45K in Gedmatch is big deal really. Quite big differences in components for Dukagijni, bigger than for some people between FTDNA and Ancestry for example.

Do you think altering it like this could give the wrong results?

[Chaos One]

Did it.

In fact changed and made my numbers more plausible. I had a FTDNA test uploaded into DNA.LAND than made the download into 23andme v3.

FTDNA, K23b

1 Caucasian 21.35
2 European_Early_Farmers 18.17
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 16.42
4 Subsaharian 10.45
5 Amerindian 9.72
6 North_African 9.05
7 Near_East 3.98
8 South_Central_Asian 3.12
9 South_Indian 2.17
10 Archaic_African 2.05
11 African_Pygmy 1.46
12 East_African 1.44

v3, K23b

1 Caucasian 21.44
2 European_Early_Farmers 18.90
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 16.22
4 Subsaharian 10.10
5 Amerindian 9.70
6 North_African 7.79
7 Near_East 3.81
8 South_Central_Asian 3.26
9 Archaic_African 2.49
10 South_Indian 2.13
11 East_African 1.90

Lowed my North African to a plausible point, cut off the "African Pygmy". South Central Asian, Caucasian and EEF went up a bit, also Archaic African and East African.

[FinalFlash]

Are the changes to your raw Data on Gedmatch noticeable or nothing substantial?

[Chaos One]

Are the changes to your raw Data on Gedmatch noticeable or nothing substantial?

IMO it was, but I'm too mixed so makes more sense. Those changes will be more sensible with non-mixed people I think. I would just try.

Edit : Just an example. At 9.5 North African, my Berber mix is stronger than a 7.5 since 7.5 starts to be more plausible - I'm 25% South Italian by heritage and 7.5 isn't too off from a Southern Italian + little Berber mix (1/16).

[Dukagjini]

Are the changes to your raw Data on Gedmatch noticeable or nothing substantial?

The changes for me were noticable on GEDmatch. They were also very noticeable on GenePlaza where my v5 was very inaccurate, while the v3 conversion file was very accurate.

[FinalFlash]

IMO it was, but I'm too mixed so makes more sense. Those changes will be more sensible with non-mixed people I think. I would just try.

I just saw OPs changes and I think it's quite noticeable.

[Chaos One]

I think everyone with V5 should try it. Having 160K snps instead of 45K in Gedmatch is big deal really. Quite big differences in components for Dukagijni, bigger than for some people between FTDNA and Ancestry for example.

Do you think it would change some One-to-One results in terms of making them more plausible?

I did some new runs using this and some vanished, but others still there.

[Gründig]

I can't use the conversion program, i don't have windows.

Can anyone help me?

[Dukagjini]

I can't use the conversion program, i don't have windows.

Can anyone help me?

Dude same, I'm lucky I found an old Windows laptop I had. I tried to use Wine to install the program on my Mac, but it didn't work for me.

[Gründig]

Dude same, I'm lucky I found an old Windows laptop I had. I tried to use Wine to install the program on my Mac, but it didn't work for me.

I emailed them to see if they can help cause I have nothing with windows on it.

[happycow]

I did mine and yeah there is a difference in results. Eurogenes now shows me as 1/16th NW European! Lol. Grundig I can help you out if you'd like?

[canadienne]

I have FTDNA raw data. Did i convert 23andme v5?

[Gründig]

I did mine and yeah there is a difference in results. Eurogenes now shows me as 1/16th NW European! Lol. Grundig I can help you out if you'd like?

Thanks but I ended up getting it.

[Gründig]

My results are very similar but it puts me at closer distances and seems more accurate. Very cool. WAY more snp's.

[Dick]

I tried this a while ago but without that tool. It took 2 hours to upload the friggin vcf file to gedmatch and as you can see gave me very odd results

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257957-Guess-this-person-s-ethnicity

[Coolguy1]

My results are similar to my familytree results. Can you post your Dodecad k12b?

[Gründig]

I tried this a while ago but without that tool. It took 2 hours to upload the friggin vcf file to gedmatch and as you can see gave me very odd results

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257957-Guess-this-person-s-ethnicity

You download the VCF file and than run it through a separate program to convert it to V3. Than you zip it and upload it to gedmatch.

[Dick]

You download the VCF file and than run it through a separate program to convert it to V3. Than you zip it and upload it to gedmatch.

I know. Do what I did I wonder if u get odd results too

[IncelSlayer]

I did like a week ago gedmatch with it and i plot like a little 2-3mm west of Croatia on k15 map, but i don't consider it accurate as it gives bigger distances on most calculators.

[Thracian]

You don't need to convert it, if you want to try genesis gedmatch. You can upload vcf files into the genesis gedmatch.

[Abriekman]

How is it possible that converted raw data contains 3 times more SNPs than original imputed raw data? Imputed 23andme V5 raw data has 50,000 SNPs, therefore there is a missing data, so how does conversion "restore" those missing SNPs?

[Sebbo]

How is it possible that converted raw data contains 3 times more SNPs than original imputed raw data? Imputed 23andme V5 raw data has 50,000 SNPs, therefore there is a missing data, so how does conversion "restore" those missing SNPs?

Very good question, I don't know either!