Haplogroup G

[happycow]

Anyone else belong to G? I am G2a or G-Z6032.

G2a2b2a1a1c3a2-Z6032, Sardinians, French, Sephardim, Ashkenazim and Araite jews, Christian Arabs from Syria and Lebanon, Berbers, Mende people from Sierra Leone, Ossetians, and a Han Chinese from Manchuria.

http://www.marres.education/G-M201.htm

[CommonSense]

Haplogroup G2a is found all over Europe in small amounts. User Decius has it.

[happycow]

Haplogroup G2a is found all over Europe in small amounts. User Decius has it.

Yeah this link has some good info on the Indo-European branches of G2a.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_G2a_Y-DNA.shtml#Indo-European

[Bobby Martnen]

I wonder how it got to Manchuria...

[happycow]

I wonder how it got to Manchuria...

No kidding. That's a long walk! lol. Doesn't seem like a very common haplogroup in China either.


These percentages of G were found in the following number of samples from China in a 2006 study:[46] (a) The Uyghurs who live primarily in far northwestern China 4.5% of 67. (b) The northern Han 2.3% of 44. (c) The southern Han 0% of 40. (d) Tibet 0% of 105. (e) The Zhuang who live in southern China or Vietnam, 0% of 20. (f) The Yao of southern China 0% of 60. (g) In Manchuria or among the Manchus in northeastern China, 0% of 93. (h) The Evenks who live principally along the border of northeastern China 0% of 31. (i) The Oroqen of northeastern China 0% of 22. (j) The Yi who live principally in southern China and who speak a Burmese language 0% of 43. (k) The Tujia of central China, 0% of 47.

A 2005 study that sampled five southern Chinese groups found the following percentages of G: (1) The Han less than 1% G in 166 samples. (2) The Miao 0% of 58. (3) The She 0% of 51. (4) The Tujia 0% of 49. (5) The Yao 0% of 60.[23]

A 2008 study that concentrated on the island of Hainan off the southeastern Chinese coast found 0% G among 405 men from various island aborigine groups.[47]

A 2007 study that concentrated on the Mang of Yunnan Province in southern China found no G among 65 samples.[48]

Another 2007 study that sampled Tibet found 0% G among 156 samples[49]

A 2010 study of northwestern China found G (M201) in 2% of 41 Kazakhs; 2% of 31 Tajikes; and 2% of 23 Ozbeks. No G was found among Tu, Xibo, Mongolian, Tataer, Ughur, Yugu, Kirghiz, Russ, Dongxiang, Bao'an and Salar persons.[50]

A 2011 study found only a few G samples among hundreds of samples around China of the majority Han population. The Han locales with single G samples were Liaoning in the northeast with one G2b (M377) man, Henan in the east central area with one G2a1 (P16) and Henan again with one G2a (P15) man not M286 or P16. This same study found 2% of Uyghur were G2a (P15) but not M286 or P16. These were all in Xinjiang in the northwest. And among 62 Hui men from Ningxia in the north central area, 1.6% were G1 and 1.6% were G2a (P15) but not P16 or M286. No G at all found among Hui elsewhere or in Tibet (262 samples) or among the Xibe, Hazak, Evenks, Bulang, Wa, Jing, Dai, Zhuang, Dong, Mulao, Buyi, Li, Maonan, Shui, Gelao, Miao, Yao, She, Bai, Hani, Jingpo, Lahu, Lisu Naxi, Yi, Tujia, Hui, Man or Kyrgyz men sampled at various locations.

[Bobby Martnen]

No kidding. That's a long walk! lol. Doesn't seem like a very common haplogroup in China either.

Maybe Mongols brought some MENA people there?

[happycow]

Maybe Mongols brought some MENA people there?

That's a possibility.

[CommonSense]

Anyone else belong to G? I am G2a or G-Z6032.

G2a2b2a1a1c3a2-Z6032, Sardinians, French, Sephardim, Ashkenazim and Araite jews, Christian Arabs from Syria and Lebanon, Berbers, Mende people from Sierra Leone, Ossetians, and a Han Chinese from Manchuria.

http://www.marres.education/G-M201.htm

It's seems I'm also G2a. Heh, to think that only two and half weeks ago when I posted in this thread I had no clue. Anyway, cheers :icon_cheers:

[happycow]

It's seems I'm also G2a. Heh, to think that only two and half weeks ago when I posted in this thread I had no clue. Anyway, cheers :icon_cheers:

Nice!!! Welcome to the club brother! :D :bounce:

[Dick]

It's seems I'm also G2a. Heh, to think that only two and half weeks ago when I posted in this thread I had no clue. Anyway, cheers :icon_cheers:

Congrats. You are the same as Decius and Tschaikisten

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?261595-Why-are-Serbs-less-Slavic-than-Croats&p=5486511&viewfull=1#post5486511

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

FilhoV from the Azores (Portugal) is G - FGC6669. His branch is very old and more commonly associated with Sardinians if I am not wrong.

[kleenex]

I'm G2A2A and from what I gather so were a lot of other Europeans from the Early Neolithic before the invasion of IE from the Asian Steppe.

[CommonSense]

Congrats. You are the same as Decius and Tschaikisten

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?261595-Why-are-Serbs-less-Slavic-than-Croats&p=5486511&viewfull=1#post5486511

I saw that already and what's strange is that G2a is uncommon among Serbs, but there are three active Serbian members here with that haplogroup. And the probablity that I belong to this clade is as high as it gets :D

https://i.imgur.com/9QUuV6P.png

[Livin]

G2a is the second most common haplo among Pontic Greeks.

[Tschaikisten]

I saw that already and what's strange is that G2a is uncommon among Serbs, but there are three active Serbian members here with that haplogroup. And the probablity that I belong to this clade is as high as it gets :D

https://i.imgur.com/9QUuV6P.png

Congrats. Well, it's always between 3-5% on anonymous studies. Most common clade is L497 with it's most common branch, YSC33 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-YSC0000033/)(buddy with Croatian flag is Serb from Croatia).

[Kelmendasi]

I saw that already and what's strange is that G2a is uncommon among Serbs, but there are three active Serbian members here with that haplogroup. And the probablity that I belong to this clade is as high as it gets :D

[ig]https://i.imgur.com/9QUuV6P.png[/img]
Congrats on your result btw. Really cool haplogroup. The common subclade of L497 found among Serbs is YSC33 as was mentioned before, it is connected to Celts. I thought you would be R1a

[Kelmendasi]

Clade of G2a-L497 in Serbs, https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-YSC0000033/.

[CommonSense]

Clade of G2a-L497 in Serbs, https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-YSC0000033/.

I've done some reading already. Yfull is not up to date at all, there have been many more tested Serbs who scored that clade besides that one guy from Croatia.

[Kelmendasi]

I've done some reading already. Yfull is not up to date at all, there have been many more tested Serbs who scored that clade besides that one guy from Croatia.
I don't think it's that they aren't up to date, but it's rather that the other Serbs aren't uploading to Yfull as that is how Yfull works. Did you find out your exact clade?

[CommonSense]

I don't think it's that they aren't up to date, but it's rather that the other Serbs aren't uploading to Yfull as that is how Yfull works. Did you find out your exact clade?

No, I'll have to spend more money in order to test for SNPs. But comparing my STR markers to the confirmed G-YSC0000033 users, Tschaikisten thinks it's pretty much certain that that's my clade as well. What would you suggest I do now in order to know more about my Y-DNA?

[Kelmendasi]

No, I'll have to spend more money in order to test for SNPs. But comparing my STR markers to the confirmed G-YSC0000033 users, Tschaikisten thinks it's pretty much certain that that's my clade as well. What would you suggest I do now in order to know more about my Y-DNA?
The cheapest thing on Ftdna would be just to order a G2a-L497 SNP pack for $199, though you could go hardcore and buy BigY though that's very expensive.

[Jana]

Congrats, your paternal ancestors were European neolithic farmers and original mediterranids by phenotype. Very cool haplogroup to have! I think your branch took part in ethnogenesis of western European Celts, if not mistaken.

[Kelmendasi]

You could buy the Yseq G-L497 SNP pack for $88, it is far cheaper than Ftdna. http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=11921

[Tschaikisten]

I don't think it's that they aren't up to date, but it's rather that the other Serbs aren't uploading to Yfull as that is how Yfull works. Did you find out your exact clade?

There is only one YSC33 Serb who have done BigY. Seems that last snp which connect us with Central/Western Europe is Z39501 which he shares with one Sudeten German (Czech Republic German). That guy doesn't sended raw data to YFull. Downstream there is Y60799 and there are 3 positive Serbs on it. Seems that it's 1500 years old. We are now waiting for an YSC33+ Bulgarian BigY.


No, I'll have to spend more money in order to test for SNPs. But comparing my STR markers to the confirmed G-YSC0000033 users, Tschaikisten thinks it's pretty much certain that that's my clade as well. What would you suggest I do now in order to know more about my Y-DNA?

Best thing is that you order YSC33>Z39501 as single SNP at FTDNA.

[happycow]

G-L497 -


G2a2b2a1a1b-L497/S317/CTS1899/PF6851/Z738, formed 10600 ybp, TMRCA 7200 ybp, This is the largest European subgroup, to which half of the European G, belongs. It seems that G-L497, which is one of the most "European" of haplogroups, spread out from Western Anatolia (where it's found in small numbers) to the Danube Basin with the First Farmers, around 8400-7800 ybp. So far, the earliest branches of L497 are found in Italy and the Netherlands. The Anatolian and Aegean L497s are more "derived" (further down the tree in G-Z725), This group is distributed as follows: Tirol 80% of the G samples; Switzerland 75%; Spain, France and Germany 60%; UK 52%, the Netherlands and Italy 44%. They formed the first wave of farmers entering Europe who started the Neolithic, recognizable by the LBK culture.

[JM86]

Hello all, I'm confirmed G-Z7953.

[lonewolfcypriot]

G nigga :cool:

[happycow]

Hello all, I'm confirmed G-Z7953.

Very cool. My specific subclade was also found in England. :)

[JM86]

Very cool. My specific subclade was also found in England. :)

Awesome!

[Bostonia]

Hello all, my father is a G-S2808. Oldest known ancestor was English.

[happycow]

Hello all, my father is a G-S2808. Oldest known ancestor was English.

Very cool. According to this link his haplogroup is part of the L497 branch.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hW2SxSLFSJS3r_MIdw9zxsS8NXo_4PG0_fFFeXGwEyc/htmlview

G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a2a1 - S2808
Europe-widespread

[rein]

Anyone else belong to G? I am G2a or G-Z6032.

G2a2b2a1a1c3a2-Z6032, Sardinians, French, Sephardim, Ashkenazim and Araite jews, Christian Arabs from Syria and Lebanon, Berbers, Mende people from Sierra Leone, Ossetians, and a Han Chinese from Manchuria.

http://www.marres.education/G-M201.htm

Didn’t you say you were a little bit Mongol on Gedmatch? Now we have the haplogroup to confirm.

[Blondie]

g2a is connected to iranic tribes like alans, scythians, sarmatians and early magyars too.

[happycow]

Didn’t you say you were a little bit Mongol on Gedmatch? Now we have the haplogroup to confirm.

Yeah I score 1-2% mongoloid depending on the calculator. I think it was PuntDNAL that modeled me as 98% Jordanian and 2% Mongolian.

I was told my paternal haplogroup is actually quite rare for the middle east and according to this link it was found in England and Italy. Roman ancestor?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hW2SxSLFSJS3r_MIdw9zxsS8NXo_4PG0_fFFeXGwEyc/htmlview

G2a2b2a1a1c1a1b2 - Z6032
England, Italy, Sardinian Italy

[Joso]

It's seems I'm also G2a. Heh, to think that only two and half weeks ago when I posted in this thread I had no clue. Anyway, cheers :icon_cheers:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS4iRu33jkQ

[Crimson Winds]

g2a is connected to iranic tribes like alans, scythians, sarmatians and early magyars too.

G2a is mainly connected with West Caucasians, others are adopted from them.

[Blondie]

G2a is mainly connected with West Caucasians, others are adopted from them.

Yes, but iranic tribes had significant caucasian admixture. Caucasus was iranic area.

[Kaspias]

Yes, but iranic tribes had significant caucasian admixture. Caucasus was iranic area.

do you have iranic fetish or something

[Crimson Winds]

Yes, but iranic tribes had significant caucasian admixture. Caucasus was iranic area.

I guess everywhere is Iranic except Iran according to you.

[Bostonia]

Very cool. According to this link his haplogroup is part of the L497 branch.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hW2SxSLFSJS3r_MIdw9zxsS8NXo_4PG0_fFFeXGwEyc/htmlview

G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a2a1 - S2808
Europe-widespread

Yes it is, and that's about all I know about it lol

[happycow]

Yeah I score 1-2% mongoloid depending on the calculator. I think it was PuntDNAL that modeled me as 98% Jordanian and 2% Mongolian.

I was told my paternal haplogroup is actually quite rare for the middle east and according to this link it was found in England and Italy. Roman ancestor?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hW2SxSLFSJS3r_MIdw9zxsS8NXo_4PG0_fFFeXGwEyc/htmlview

G2a2b2a1a1c1a1b2 - Z6032
England, Italy, Sardinian Italy

Here's the yfull site which also shows that Z6032 was found in Italy

https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z724/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-YP4752/

[Blondie]

do you have iranic fetish or something

I'm hungarian, so partly iranic.

[Blondie]

I guess everywhere is Iranic except Iran according to you.

Iranic peoples (aryans) were white nordid looking europeans, iranians are middle easternes.

[Kaspias]

I'm hungarian, so partly iranic.

https://i.ibb.co/jzcYmFS/onecaps-beyinsiz-caps-yapici-29914.png

[Tschaikisten]

Yes it is, and that's about all I know about it lol

Your father's branch belongs to L497>Z1816>CTS4803 which is mostly restricted to North and Western Europe, unlike mine clade (Z1816>L43>...) who have more central/southern Europen branches. L497 is branch of G2a which was been one of main haplogroup of Neolithic European farmers. Some G2a clades were destroyed after Indo-European invasion, but L497 was most sucesful and it continued to exist. There is a good chance that whole L497 was absorbed by proto-Celtic populations in Hallstat region after which they started expanding to other parts of Europe.

[Blondie]

https://i.ibb.co/jzcYmFS/onecaps-beyinsiz-caps-yapici-29914.png

Hungarian jász peoples are more close to original iranic peoples than iranians:

https://m.blog.hu/ne/netfolk/image/fiatalpar.jpg

http://www.miabonyunk.hu/images/1012629_517006268348925_1038828038_n.jpg

http://iszolnok.hu/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/jasz_hagy.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NVrXvDmnxik/maxresdefault.jpg

https://hir.ma/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/0-6.jpg

https://static.parom.hu/photos/81/24378.jpg

https://static.randivonal.hu/photo/randivonal/35/60/3560154_1__e83a_480x480.jpg

https://static.randivonal.hu/photo/randivonal/35/25/3525162_1__ff00_480x480.jpg

https://hunvolley.hu/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/J%C3%A1szber%C3%A9ny.jpg

"The Jasz people were a nomadic Sarmatian (or Scythian) tribe which settled in the medieval Kingdom of Hungary during the 13th century[1] and are generally thought to be of Ossetian origin originally speaking a dialect of the Ossetic language. The dialect is extinct and members of the Jász usually speak Hungarian. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasz_people

Hungarians and iranic peoples originated from same culture/area:

"During the 4th millennium BC, the Uralic-speaking peoples who were living in the central and southern regions of the Urals split up. Some dispersed towards the west and northwest and came into contact with Iranian speakers who were spreading northwards.[35] From at least 2000 BC onwards, the Ugrian speakers became distinguished from the rest of the Uralic community, of which the ancestors of the Magyars, being located farther south, were the most numerous. Judging by evidence from burial mounds and settlement sites, they interacted with the Indo-Iranian Andronovo culture.[36]"

"Anthropologically, the type of Magyars of the conquest phase shows similarity to that of the Andronovo people,[82] in particular of the Sarmatian groups around the southern Urals.[83] Excavations of several Sarmatians showed that they belong to Haplogroup G2a, J1, J2 and R1a-Z93. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarians

"Most researchers associate the Andronovo horizon with early Indo-Iranian languages, though it may have overlapped the early Uralic-speaking area at its northern fringe.[3]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture

"Research about the ancient Hungarian religion has led to that it was a form of Tengrism, a shamanic religion common among the early Turkic and Mongolian people, that was influenced by Zoroastrianism from the Persians and Hinduism and Buddhism whom the Huns and Avars had encountered during their westward migration. Another theory ties the religion to that of the Huns and Scythians of Central Asia due to similar or even identical legends to the Hungarian origin myth. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_mythology

Hungarian rulers had r1a-z93 iranic genetic:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-018-0609-7

Hungarians have iranic origins, like it or not.

[Crimson Winds]

Iranic peoples (aryans) were white nordid looking europeans, iranians are middle easternes.

So you believe Iranic peoples were made middle easterners Iranian but themselves became east or north European, Caucasian or Turkic. Good weed.

[Kaspias]

Hungarian jász peoples are more close to original iranic peoples than iranians:

https://m.blog.hu/ne/netfolk/image/fiatalpar.jpg

http://www.miabonyunk.hu/images/1012629_517006268348925_1038828038_n.jpg

http://iszolnok.hu/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/jasz_hagy.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NVrXvDmnxik/maxresdefault.jpg

https://hir.ma/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/0-6.jpg

https://static.parom.hu/photos/81/24378.jpg

https://static.randivonal.hu/photo/randivonal/35/60/3560154_1__e83a_480x480.jpg

https://static.randivonal.hu/photo/randivonal/35/25/3525162_1__ff00_480x480.jpg

https://hunvolley.hu/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/J%C3%A1szber%C3%A9ny.jpg

"The Jasz people were a nomadic Sarmatian (or Scythian) tribe which settled in the medieval Kingdom of Hungary during the 13th century[1] and are generally thought to be of Ossetian origin originally speaking a dialect of the Ossetic language. The dialect is extinct and members of the Jász usually speak Hungarian. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasz_people

Hungarians and iranic peoples originated from same culture/area:

"During the 4th millennium BC, the Uralic-speaking peoples who were living in the central and southern regions of the Urals split up. Some dispersed towards the west and northwest and came into contact with Iranian speakers who were spreading northwards.[35] From at least 2000 BC onwards, the Ugrian speakers became distinguished from the rest of the Uralic community, of which the ancestors of the Magyars, being located farther south, were the most numerous. Judging by evidence from burial mounds and settlement sites, they interacted with the Indo-Iranian Andronovo culture.[36]"

"Anthropologically, the type of Magyars of the conquest phase shows similarity to that of the Andronovo people,[82] in particular of the Sarmatian groups around the southern Urals.[83] Excavations of several Sarmatians showed that they belong to Haplogroup G2a, J1, J2 and R1a-Z93. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarians

"Most researchers associate the Andronovo horizon with early Indo-Iranian languages, though it may have overlapped the early Uralic-speaking area at its northern fringe.[3]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture

"Research about the ancient Hungarian religion has led to that it was a form of Tengrism, a shamanic religion common among the early Turkic and Mongolian people, that was influenced by Zoroastrianism from the Persians and Hinduism and Buddhism whom the Huns and Avars had encountered during their westward migration. Another theory ties the religion to that of the Huns and Scythians of Central Asia due to similar or even identical legends to the Hungarian origin myth. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_mythology

Hungarian rulers had r1a-z93 iranic genetic:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-018-0609-7

Hungarians have iranic origins, like it or not.

https://i.ibb.co/jzcYmFS/onecaps-beyinsiz-caps-yapici-29914.png

[Blondie]

So you believe Iranic peoples were made middle easterners Iranian but themselves became east or north European, Caucasian or Turkic. Good weed.

Absolutely NOT. Originally iranic peoples were nordid looking whites from East Europe and West Asia. The ancient iranic subrace:
http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

"Keyser et al. (2009) confirmed a high frequencies of blonde hair and green eyes in early Kurgans."

Early kurgans were iranic graves. You can find their phenotype only in ex iranic areas: East Europe, Caucasus, Iran, Kurds, Central Asia.

Iranic tribes conquered the modern Iran and the local middle easternes adopted their language. Modern iranians are iranic speaker middle easternes.

[Crimson Winds]

Hungarian rulers had r1a-z93 iranic genetic:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-018-0609-7

Hungarians have iranic origins, like it or not.

Jasz people are closely related to Ossetians, an Iranian speaking ethnicity having six times lesser r1a-z93 than their Turkic neighbors such Karachay and Balkars, even Circassians have this haplogroup three times more than Ossetians. Could you explain this?

[Crimson Winds]

Absolutely NOT. Originally iranic peoples were nordid looking whites from East Europe and West Asia. The ancient iranic subrace:
http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

"Keyser et al. (2009) confirmed a high frequencies of blonde hair and green eyes in early Kurgans."

Early kurgans were iranic graves. You can find their phenotype only in ex iranic areas: East Europe, Caucasus, Iran, Kurds, Central Asia.

Iranic tribes conquered the modern Iran and the local middle easternes adopted their language. Modern iranians are iranic speaker middle easternes.

Lol. I said exactly the same. Do you have mental issues?

[Blondie]

Jasz people are closely related to Ossetians, an Iranian speaking ethnicity having six times lesser r1a-z93 than their Turkic neighbors such Karachay and Balkars, even Circassians have this haplogroup three times more than Ossetians. Could you explain this?

Of course, Central Asia was full iranic area before turkic expansion. Iranic andronovo culture:

https://historyofiranpodcast.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/bc3500_andronovoafanasevo_culture.gif

http://indiafacts.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Andronovo-cultural-complex-map.jpg

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/indo-iranian-sintashta-uralic-migrations-1100x469.jpg

Scythia the great iranic empire:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Scythia-Parthia_100_BC.png

r1a-z93:

"Proto-Indo-Iranian speakers, the people who later called themselves 'Aryans' in the Rig Veda and the Avesta, originated in the Sintashta-Petrovka culture (2100-1750 BCE), in the Tobol and Ishim valleys, east of the Ural Mountains. It was founded by pastoralist nomads from the Abashevo culture (2500-1900 BCE), ranging from the upper Don-Volga to the Ural Mountains, and the Poltavka culture (2700-2100 BCE), extending from the lower Don-Volga to the Caspian depression.

The Sintashta-Petrovka culture, associated with R1a-Z93 and its subclades, was the first Bronze Age advance of the Indo-Europeans west of the Urals, opening the way to the vast plains and deserts of Central Asia to the metal-rich Altai mountains. The Aryans quickly expanded over all Central Asia, from the shores of the Caspian to southern Siberia and the Tian Shan, through trading, seasonal herd migrations, and looting raids.

Horse-drawn war chariots seem to have been invented by Sintashta people around 2100 BCE, and quickly spread to the mining region of Bactria-Margiana (modern border of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan). Copper had been extracted intensively in the Urals, and the Proto-Indo-Iranians from Sintashta-Petrovka were exporting it in huge quantities to the Middle East. They appear to have been attracted by the natural resources of the Zeravshan valley for a Petrovka copper-mining colony was established in Tugai around 1900 BCE, and tin was extracted soon afterwards at Karnab and Mushiston. Tin was an especially valued resource in the late Bronze Age, when weapons were made of copper-tin alloy, stronger than the more primitive arsenical bronze. In the 1700's BCE, the Indo-Iranians expanded to the lower Amu Darya valley and settled in irrigation farming communities (Tazabagyab culture). By 1600 BCE, the old fortified towns of Margiana-Bactria were abandoned, submerged by the northern steppe migrants. The group of Central Asian cultures under Indo-Iranian influence is known as the Andronovo horizon, and lasted until 800 BCE."
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml

Turks originated from East Asia, when they conquered Central Asia they assimilated the local iranic population, that's why lot of central asian turks had iranic y dna.

[Blondie]

Lol. I said exactly the same. Do you have mental issues?

Don't get personal! I was normal with you.

[Crimson Winds]

Of course, Central Asia was full iranic area before turkic expansion. Iranic andronovo culture:

https://historyofiranpodcast.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/bc3500_andronovoafanasevo_culture.gif

http://indiafacts.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Andronovo-cultural-complex-map.jpg

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/indo-iranian-sintashta-uralic-migrations-1100x469.jpg

Scythia the great iranic empire:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Scythia-Parthia_100_BC.png

r1a-z93:

"Proto-Indo-Iranian speakers, the people who later called themselves 'Aryans' in the Rig Veda and the Avesta, originated in the Sintashta-Petrovka culture (2100-1750 BCE), in the Tobol and Ishim valleys, east of the Ural Mountains. It was founded by pastoralist nomads from the Abashevo culture (2500-1900 BCE), ranging from the upper Don-Volga to the Ural Mountains, and the Poltavka culture (2700-2100 BCE), extending from the lower Don-Volga to the Caspian depression.

The Sintashta-Petrovka culture, associated with R1a-Z93 and its subclades, was the first Bronze Age advance of the Indo-Europeans west of the Urals, opening the way to the vast plains and deserts of Central Asia to the metal-rich Altai mountains. The Aryans quickly expanded over all Central Asia, from the shores of the Caspian to southern Siberia and the Tian Shan, through trading, seasonal herd migrations, and looting raids.

Horse-drawn war chariots seem to have been invented by Sintashta people around 2100 BCE, and quickly spread to the mining region of Bactria-Margiana (modern border of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan). Copper had been extracted intensively in the Urals, and the Proto-Indo-Iranians from Sintashta-Petrovka were exporting it in huge quantities to the Middle East. They appear to have been attracted by the natural resources of the Zeravshan valley for a Petrovka copper-mining colony was established in Tugai around 1900 BCE, and tin was extracted soon afterwards at Karnab and Mushiston. Tin was an especially valued resource in the late Bronze Age, when weapons were made of copper-tin alloy, stronger than the more primitive arsenical bronze. In the 1700's BCE, the Indo-Iranians expanded to the lower Amu Darya valley and settled in irrigation farming communities (Tazabagyab culture). By 1600 BCE, the old fortified towns of Margiana-Bactria were abandoned, submerged by the northern steppe migrants. The group of Central Asian cultures under Indo-Iranian influence is known as the Andronovo horizon, and lasted until 800 BCE."
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml

Turks originated from East Asia, when they conquered Central Asia they assimilated the local iranic population, that's why lot of central asian turks had iranic y dna.

Even if it is true, Turks still must have less R1a-Z93 than their Iranic neighbors, by the way, I am comparing Ossetians with Karachay, not Kyrgyz, %6 cannot be the source of %36!

[Crimson Winds]

Don't get personal! I was normal with you.

Neither I. Take that as an insult to your comment, not you. Sorry if you are offended:p.

[Blondie]

Even if it is true, Turks still must have less R1a-Z93 than their Iranic neighbors, by the way, I am comparing Ossetians with Karachay, not Kyrgyz, %6 cannot be the source of %36!

Not necessarily. Hungarians are ugric speaker indo-europeans with no genetic relations with ugrics and never have been. French are latin speaker celts, germanics, their origin is not latin. Did you heard about language adoptation? Turks were very successful warriors who dominated Central Asia, East Europe in early medieval age, lot ot ethnicity adopted their language.

[Crimson Winds]

Not necessarily. Hungarians are ugric speaker indo-europeans with no genetic relations with ugrics and never have been. French are latin speaker celts, germanics, their origin is not latin. Did you heard about language adoptation? Turks were very successful warriors who dominated Central Asia, East Europe in early medieval age, lot ot ethnicity adopted their language.

You got me. Ubermench Mongol women defeated and raped R1a-Z93 Aryans and gave birth to Turks, but they are weakened after mixing them so males started revolution and made Turks patriarchal.

[Blondie]

You got me. Ubermench Mongol women defeated and raped R1a-Z93 Aryans and gave birth to Turks, but they are weakened after mixing them so males started revolution and made Turks patriarchal.

Is rape your pride? What an primitive mentality....

[Crimson Winds]

Is rape your pride? What an primitive mentality....

I am not serious. Even if I, it is not possible for me to have pride in this due to being neither Turkic or Iranian. You made it personal in a much more offensive and dishonest manner after compaining about.

[FilhoV]

My haplogroup

[Ricki]

The MorleyDNA Y Predictor says my Y DNA is G2a3b1a1a1 and WeGene says my Y DNA is G2a2b2a1a1a1a. These were extracted from an AncestryDNA test.

[happycow]

Here's the yfull site which also shows that Z6032 was found in Italy

https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z724/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-YP4752/

Also Russia (Kabardino-Balkarskaya) now according to yfull :cool:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-YP4752/

[Leto]

A full-blown Norseman (Norwegian) with G-L30 (G2a2b). Pretty exotic, isn't it?

https://youtu.be/4py53iwQs_E

[happycow]

A full-blown Norseman (Norwegian) with G-L30 (G2a2b). Pretty exotic, isn't it?

https://youtu.be/4py53iwQs_E

Pretty interesting! I am assuming G is rather rare in Norway. I think I was originally assigned G-L30 before it changed to what it is now. I wonder why some don't get a more specific subclade?

[PaleoEuropean]

The Scandinavian Hunter Gathers bred with the Early Farmers, my MTDNA is Scandinavian but a result of the same interactions that carried G North.

[FilhoV]

Haplogroup G is best Haplogroup :)

[happycow]

Haplogroup G is best Haplogroup :)

Agreed :cool:

[Rico33]

I belong to haplogroup g1. Paternal lineage.

[Ayetooey]

I belong to haplogroup g1. Paternal lineage.

You ethnic Belgian?

[Rico33]

You ethnic Belgian?

Yes. All I know that is indeed rare, but other haplogroups from the regions it is usually found are detected in locals as well. Like Q and such.
It is mostly found in Kazakh people.

[Ayetooey]

Yes. All I know that is indeed rare, but other haplogroups from the regions it is usually found are detected in locals as well. Like Q and such.

Yeah G in Europe is uncommon anyway; but usually it's G2a neolithic farmer. G1 is practically non existent in Europeans from what I'm reading, and is mainly found in Iranians, Central Asians, Turks, Arabs. You should test your Y dna further it's pretty interesting. Do you score 100% European autosomally?

[Rico33]

Yeah G in Europe is uncommon anyway; but usually it's G2a neolithic farmer. G1 is practically non existent in Europeans from what I'm reading, and is mainly found in Iranians, Central Asians, Turks, Arabs. You should test your Y dna further it's pretty interesting. Do you score 100% European autosomally?

I have heard it from my dad. I think he tested it. I think he also said it is reminiscent with R haplogroups. I have also been told it may be because of the Pannonian avars that the Frankish absorbed.

[Ayetooey]

I have heard it from my dad. I think he tested it. I think he also said it is reminiscent with R haplogroups. I have also been told it may be because of the Pannonian avars that the Frankish absorbed.

Maybe he made a mistake because G is not related to R; it is haplogroup Q1 that is related to R and is possibility connected to the Avars. This is haplogroup G1's frequency.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Maxat_Zhabagin2/publication/274693345/figure/fig2/AS:294763329802244@1447288462197/Map-of-haplotype-diversity-of-haplogroup-G1-The-black-points-represent-the-populations.png

[Rico33]

Maybe he made a mistake because G is not related to R; it is haplogroup Q1 that is related to R and is possibility connected to the Avars. This is haplogroup G1's frequency.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Maxat_Zhabagin2/publication/274693345/figure/fig2/AS:294763329802244@1447288462197/Map-of-haplotype-diversity-of-haplogroup-G1-The-black-points-represent-the-populations.png
Reminiscent doesn't mean it descends from it. It means that it is usually found where R is found as well.
And you posted the diversity map. I assume that the diversities descend from the more uniform G1 group.

[Ayetooey]

Reminiscent doesn't mean it descends from it. It means that it is usually found where R is found as well.
And you posted the diversity map. I assume that the diversities descend from the more uniform G1 group.

Well G1 isn't found in Europe at all; R1 is found all over Eurasia. Doesn't matter anyway lol.

[Rico33]

Well G1 isn't found in Europe at all; R1 is found all over Eurasia. Doesn't matter anyway lol.

It must have been brought by some lineage from central Asia. Such admixture here isn't so unlikely.

[Unchained]

I have heard it from my dad. I think he tested it. I think he also said it is reminiscent with R haplogroups. I have also been told it may be because of the Pannonian avars that the Frankish absorbed.

I don't know if this is going to offend you or not, but have you considered the fact that it might have been brought by some Jews who got assimilated? Too many people from Central and Western Europe have it for it to be considered a legacy of Avars:

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/M342?iframe=yresults

[Rico33]

I don't know if this is going to offend you or not, but have you considered the fact that it might have been brought by some Jews who got assimilated? Too many people from Central and Western Europe have it for it to be considered a legacy of Avars:

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/M342?iframe=yresults

I cannot see if that is g1 or g2. It is seems to be in Kazakhstan mostly. I have not seen the results. I know only the fact that I belong to G1 and its spread.

[Unchained]

I cannot see if that is g1 or g2. It is seems to be in Kazakhstan mostly. I have not seen the results. I know only the fact that I belong to G1 and its spread.

It's a project for G-M285 or G1 as you call it. The haplogroup originated in the Middle East and from there it probably spread to Central Asia in antiquity, the Kazakhs who have it are descended from pre-Turkic lineages.

[Rico33]

I have been told that central Asian admixture is stronger in this part of Europe than Jewish admixture.

[happycow]

On a random note many Palestinian men from Bethlehem belong to haplogroup G1.

[Ayetooey]

On a random note many Palestinian men from Bethlehem belong to haplogroup G1.

Assimilated local Jews probably.

[matmondo]

Hi I am from Eastern Lombardy G2a>G-PF3345

Map from Ethnopedia project of Italy here:

https://www.ethnopedia.info/genitaly.html

[happycow]

Hi I am from Eastern Lombardy G2a>G-PF3345

Map from Ethnopedia project of Italy here:

https://www.ethnopedia.info/genitaly.html

Welcome to the club! :) :) :)