Cylade Islanders,closer to Apulians or Sicilians?

[Tauromachos]

What do people think or know about that?
Based on these Calculators which South Italian region are Cyclade Islanders genetically closest to?

Are Apulians closer to them or is it Sicilians?

If it is Sicilians,which Sicilian region is their closest match?

[Sikeliot]

These are the Cyclades results I have, I am putting them in MDLP K23 which has most Sicilian regions:

Sicilian East = Catania
Sicily West = Western Palermo
Sicily Center = Eastern Palermo
Agrigento
Syracuse
Trapani

Apulia is not on here so I cannot compare unfortunately but Apulians would be most similar to Trapani or Syracuse.

Looks to me like the answer is Sicily West or Sicily East which is basically the western part of Palermo province and Catania. They are the LEAST similar to Agrigento, which is because the Cyclades do not have North African, and to Sicilian Center, because they have too high of North European and that Sicilian area has among the lowest North European.

Some of these people are also shifted toward mainland Greece.

#1:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.81
2 European_Early_Farmers 22.16
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 13.66
4 Near_East 10.42
5 North_African 6.55
6 South_Central_Asian 5.09
7 Tungus-Altaic 1.56


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazi_ @ 2.986768
2 Romanian_Jew_ @ 3.713154
3 Sicilian_East_ @ 3.954492
4 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 4.063768
5 Italian_South_ @ 4.296990
6 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 4.618634
7 Greek_Athens_ @ 5.187357
8 Sicilian_Center_ @ 5.468700
9 Cretan_ @ 5.618980
10 Greek_ @ 5.826468
11 Sicilian_West_ @ 6.456847
12 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 6.839300
13 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 7.141003
14 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 7.282888
15 Central_Greek_ @ 7.319493
16 Maltese_ @ 7.904057
17 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 8.035315
18 French_Jew_ @ 8.041609
19 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 8.327513
20 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 9.129442

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_ +50% Sicilian_East_ @ 2.132300

#2:


# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.84
2 European_Early_Farmers 20.98
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 15.48
4 Near_East 9.62
5 South_Central_Asian 7.70
6 North_African 5.08
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.31
8 Amerindian 1.00


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 5.036316
2 Sicilian_West_ @ 5.800199
3 Ashkenazi_ @ 6.031151
4 Greek_ @ 6.696653
5 Romanian_Jew_ @ 6.880560
6 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 6.946570
7 Central_Greek_ @ 6.949057
8 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 7.097581
9 Greek_Athens_ @ 7.106637
10 Cretan_ @ 7.321567
11 Sicilian_East_ @ 7.346923
12 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 7.967650
13 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 8.148063
14 Italian_South_ @ 8.199277
15 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 8.214838
16 Greek_Northwest_ @ 8.368969
17 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 8.512627
18 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.567858
19 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 8.584517
20 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 8.694285

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ +50% Sicilian_West_ @ 3.205313



#3:


# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.42
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.54
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.43
4 Near_East 10.55
5 South_Central_Asian 6.79
6 North_African 5.57
7 Australoid 1.45


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sicilian_West_ @ 3.014183
2 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 3.851106
3 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 3.931549
4 Sicilian_East_ @ 4.385035
5 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 4.579704
6 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 4.710043
7 Maltese_ @ 5.882181
8 Ashkenazi_ @ 5.883376
9 French_Jew_ @ 6.292793
10 Romanian_Jew_ @ 6.453343
11 Cretan_ @ 6.615807
12 Sicilian_Center_ @ 7.415609
13 Italian_South_ @ 7.742931
14 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 7.883684
15 Greek_Athens_ @ 8.406292
16 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 8.989958
17 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 9.080424
18 Italian_Jew_ @ 9.108439
19 Greek_ @ 9.149619
20 Turk_Jew_ @ 9.248892

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sicilian_East_ +50% Sicilian_West_ @ 2.675734


#4:


# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.62
2 European_Early_Farmers 19.98
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 14.60
4 Near_East 10.43
5 South_Central_Asian 5.45
6 North_African 5.17
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.15


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian_Jew_ @ 4.071739
2 Greek_ @ 4.206921
3 Ashkenazi_ @ 4.344291
4 Greek_Athens_ @ 4.608813
5 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 4.672342
6 Italian_South_ @ 5.229515
7 Cretan_ @ 5.373461
8 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 5.423815
9 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 5.708701
10 Central_Greek_ @ 6.222698
11 Sicilian_East_ @ 6.382300
12 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 6.435584
13 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 7.256566
14 Sicilian_Center_ @ 7.381188
15 Sicilian_West_ @ 7.536551
16 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 8.620335
17 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 8.738802
18 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 8.866179
19 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 8.911971
20 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 9.071031

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi_Jew_ +50% Greek_Macedonia_ @ 1.962212


#5:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 40.57
2 European_Early_Farmers 22.26
3 Near_East 12.32
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.63
5 South_Central_Asian 7.39
6 North_African 3.65


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cretan_ @ 3.393769
2 Greek_Smyrna_ @ 5.247076
3 Sicilian_East_ @ 5.560499
4 Italian_South_ @ 5.644964
5 Romanian_Jew_ @ 5.944062
6 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 6.177448
7 Greek_Athens_ @ 6.207941
8 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 6.369125
9 Ashkenazi_ @ 6.710603
10 Greek_ @ 6.921634
11 Greek_Islands_ @ 7.001717
12 Sicilian_Center_ @ 7.136311
13 Sicilian_West_ @ 7.227064
14 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 7.353107
15 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 7.985715
16 French_Jew_ @ 8.209979
17 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 8.718745
18 Central_Greek_ @ 8.987155
19 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 9.507748
20 Maltese_ @ 9.762053

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriot_ +50% Greek_Northwest_ @ 2.226031

[Sikeliot]

So in short: Sicily, but not to the regions with higher than average MENA input, and the least similar to Agrigento and the Maltese, and Cyclades are somewhat shifted toward mainland Greece when compared to Sicilians.

Many people from Ikaria seem close to "Sicilian Center" for whichever reason.

[Joso]

Scicily maybe

[Sikeliot]

Though I suspect if Apulia was a choice on MDLP, they might get it before Sicilian, since the results themselves better match Apulians than Sicilians (Apulians score almost identical components to them).

[Tauromachos]

So in short: Sicily, but not to the regions with higher than average MENA input, and the least similar to Agrigento and the Maltese, and Cyclades are somewhat shifted toward mainland Greece when compared to Sicilians.

So this would mean they are might be overall most similar to South East Sicilians,Syracuse,Ragusa
No?

Ragousis by the way is a surname commong among Cyclade Islanders



Many people from Ikaria seem close to "Sicilian Center" for whichever reason.


Don't know if that is the reason but Ikaria is geographically quite further off from the Center of Cyclades.

Ikaria lies next to Samos

[Sikeliot]

So this would mean they are might be overall most similar to South East Sicilians,Syracuse,Ragusa
No?

To me they look like an intermediate between "East Sicilian", "West Sicilian" and the Greek mainland.

[Tauromachos]

To me they look like an intermediate between "East Sicilian", "West Sicilian" and the Greek mainland.

How do Trapanesi compare to them?

[Sikeliot]

Also important is how each person can be modeled above.

#3 and #5 could easily be full Sicilians, within the spectrum based on how they are modeled. But #1, #2, and #4 require additional NE European which shows they are shifted away from Sicilians and toward mainland Greece.


#1: "1 50% Greek_ +50% Sicilian_East_ @ 2.132300"

#2: "1 50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ +50% Sicilian_West_ @ 3.205313"

#3: "1 50% Sicilian_East_ +50% Sicilian_West_ @ 2.675734"

#4: "1 50% Ashkenazi_Jew_ +50% Greek_Macedonia_ @ 1.962212"

#5: "1 50% Cypriot_ +50% Greek_Northwest_ @ 2.226031"



How do Trapanesi compare to them?

A bit higher on the East and West Med, a bit lower on the Caucasus and Baltic/East Euro, plus a North African component in Trapani.