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GiCa
09-17-2018, 09:31 AM
Do you agree that France/Germany have always allied to command the EU?

Geopolitacally it makes sense... Both countries lies in the natural strategica position of Central part West Europe exactly centrally among the economical engines of the EU

Both not too much southern.. Not to much northern countries in a way that if they command for psychological geography/cultural proximity the countries who fall more in their influence iponoticly fall to their command... France with its strategic northern romance position.. So to extend great influence in italy, Spain but also Belgium... Germany for its geopolitical drive/influence in Scandinavia, the Baltic and visegards


The south east euro countries are just donkeys.. Or the last wheels of the machine.. Who are poor and get easily Comnanded

GiCa
09-17-2018, 09:36 AM
Personally I could support and legitimate the EU with the occult France/Germany command... Because it seems natural geopolitically for me for europe.. But if only they made TRUE cooperative politics for the good of the EU sovra-federalist state

Instead they right now.. (or since ever..) made many opportunistic politics against the well being of other EU states

cyberlorian
09-17-2018, 09:37 AM
Yes. I agree.

GiCa
09-17-2018, 09:43 AM
The only country who escaped and did not want the occult Franve/Germany government was the United Kingdom, a country that for its insular it never had a psychological drive in the cultural sphere of France or Germany.. And instead was since ever antagonist to them

France/Germany by creating a Duopolo-occult-Government did it wrongly.. They should have created a Three-polo-government of Uk-France-Germany

But probably the natural adversity of continentaly of the uk made itself the uk not interested at all to command the EU.

Melki
09-17-2018, 01:15 PM
I strongly disagree. It's another myth, spread by EU-opponents and pro-Brexit supporters. The Council of the EU is led by a Pole, its rotating presidency is currently held by Austria, beforehand it was Bulgaria and afterwards it will be Romania. Why do you think bureaucrats waste so much money in translating every document in Maltese and Gaelic Irish ? And what about these huge group photos with 28 ministers, 80% of them being unknown to the general public, all smiling like idiots ?

The Land of Nordrhein-Westfalen in Germany has also more PMs in the Bundestag, NW having an old industrial district with a high density of population. It doesn't mean that Germany is governed by Köln or Düsseldorf. Same goes for the EU. Germany and France have more weight because they are heavily populated. Italy too, but your country is a chaotic political and economic entity. Don't expect it to take the lead some day.

Jana
09-17-2018, 01:18 PM
EU is a disaster and need to fall apart, Europe needs only common trade alliance and nothing more.

frankhammer
09-17-2018, 04:50 PM
The EU is a bureaucractic hell for the average citizen and a godsend for those folk, the bureaucrats, who would never gain employment in a competitive marketplace.

Dragoon
09-17-2018, 04:57 PM
Eu is significantly German-French-Benelux (Frankish like)

But many people ignore the influence of USA...

The "founding fathers" of EU were connected to CIA, big Jewish banking families (Rothschilds, Warburgs), and so on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Committee_on_United_Europe


The American Committee on United Europe (ACUE), founded in 1948, was an American organization that sought to counter the communist threat in Europe by promoting European political integration. Its first chairman was ex-wartime OSS head William Joseph Donovan.[1] The vice-chairman was Allen Dulles.[1] A board member was Walter Bedell Smith.[1]

The structure of the organisation was outlined in early summer of 1948 by Donovan and Allen Welsh Dulles by then also reviewing the organization of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).[2] in response to assistance requests by Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi and Winston Churchill.

Declassified American government documents have shown that the ACUE was an important early funder of both the European Movement and the European Youth Campaign. The ACUE itself received funding from the Rockefeller and Ford foundations.[1]

The US policy was to promote a United States of Europe, and to that end, the committee was used as a discreet way to funnel CIA funds (by the mid-1950s, ACUE was receiving roughly US$1,000,000 per year) to organizations supporting European federalism such as the Council of Europe, the European Coal and Steel Community, and the proposed European Defence Community.[3]


Its shocking people dont know this stuff.

Phenix
09-18-2018, 04:26 PM
No, it might look like it is but in reality stateless lobbies run the show, btw French economy is the one who has suffered the most from delocalisation and deindustrialization due harsh competition from Eastern European countries whose social gains are lower.

sean
08-04-2019, 08:57 AM
The "founding fathers" of EU were connected to CIA, big Jewish banking families (Rothschilds, Warburgs), and so on. Its shocking people dont know this stuff.

The EU is a Catholic institution. Founded by Catholic men. The ideological foundation is straight out of Catholic Social Teaching. The main parties who supported it were Christian Democratic parties founded by followers of CST/Political Catholicism. Even the EU flag represents the vision of the Virgin Mary and her halo of stars (the flag designer admitted this).

The Lawspeaker
08-09-2019, 12:43 AM
^The EEC was a Catholic institution. I can't say the same for the EU which doesn't follow Catholic teaching at all.

Arverni
08-09-2019, 07:38 AM
The EU is a Catholic institution. Founded by Catholic men. The ideological foundation is straight out of Catholic Social Teaching. The main parties who supported it were Christian Democratic parties founded by followers of CST/Political Catholicism. Even the EU flag represents the vision of the Virgin Mary and her halo of stars (the flag designer admitted this).

it's not because a centrist political party calls itself Catholic to gain votes from middle-aged religious people that it really is. Christians democrats are among the most anti-christian gathering. The EU was partly created by Monet and Schuman, two CIA agents + Kalergi. Not so "Catholic"

Deneb
08-09-2019, 07:54 AM
Obviously. France and Germany always get who they want to run the European Union. But its logical, since these two countries, besides the UK, are the largest net contributors. Who pays gives the order.

Dragoon
08-09-2019, 08:06 AM
The EU is a Catholic institution. Founded by Catholic men. The ideological foundation is straight out of Catholic Social Teaching. The main parties who supported it were Christian Democratic parties founded by followers of CST/Political Catholicism. Even the EU flag represents the vision of the Virgin Mary and her halo of stars (the flag designer admitted this).

There were definitely Catholics involved in the creation of the EU and contacts with the CIA.
But to say its just a Catholic institution isnt accurate. Because of this thing called "democracy".
Christian democracy is more centrist, but Catholicism has supported national conservatives and even Gaulle/Franco.
Western Europe has shifted significantly to the left (especially in culture and morals) quite a bit since then.