Iranians have slightly less Caucasian admixture than Syrians and Lebanese:

[cyberlorian]

https://image.ibb.co/jqPcuz/screenshot.png

Source: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_admixture_frequencies_by_country.shtml

[Fibonacci]

Now put Iranian and Lebanonese people on an autosomal graph and see who's closer. That's what matters. Levant is no where near the Caucasus, Iranians cluster with the Caucasus.

[Hadouken]

https://image.ibb.co/jqPcuz/screenshot.png

Source: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_admixture_frequencies_by_country.shtml

my results are quite different from this kurdish reference

only 15 samples and who knows from where . probably from the most southern or southeastern places

it says Atlantic Med = 6.1 but I score almost 10%

it says gedrosia = 28% but I score 23%

etc

Berkan you dumbfuck :cussing

[rein]

Interesting. What’s your definition of Caucasian?

[Khamzat]

https://image.ibb.co/jqPcuz/screenshot.png

Source: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_admixture_frequencies_by_country.shtml
Do you have a link for this table? Edit didn't read to the end like an idiot

[Fibonacci]

my results are quite different from this kurdish reference

only 15 samples and who knows from where . probably from the most southern or southeastern places

it says Atlantic Med = 6.1 but I score almost 10%

it says gedrosia = 28% but I score 23%

etc

Berkan you dumbfuck :cussing

This guy is a fucking idiot. Iran has a massive history of Georgians and Armenians migrating into it. Infact northern Iranians are actually purely descendants of southern caucasians. A few of my azeri friends from Iran are originally from Georgia.

27 samples from Iran, with a diverse population and 80 million people. Complete horse crap. Arabs don't have more Caucasian than Iranians who cluster with caucasians and share a common ancestor

http://imgur.com/qq7OeMV.jpg

[Kukushka]

This guy is a fucking idiot. Iran has a massive history of Georgians and Armenians migrating into it. Infact northern Iranians are actually purely descendants of southern caucasians. A few of my azeri friends from Iran are originally from Georgia.

27 samples from Iran, with a diverse population and 80 million people. Complete horse crap. Arabs don't have more Caucasian than Iranians who cluster with caucasians and share a common ancestor

http://imgur.com/qq7OeMV.jpg

WHAt do u look like?

[Aren]

This guy is a fucking idiot. Iran has a massive history of Georgians and Armenians migrating into it. Infact northern Iranians are actually purely descendants of southern caucasians. A few of my azeri friends from Iran are originally from Georgia.

27 samples from Iran, with a diverse population and 80 million people. Complete horse crap. Arabs don't have more Caucasian than Iranians who cluster with caucasians and share a common ancestor

http://imgur.com/qq7OeMV.jpg

No this is accurate actually, Iranians and Kurds have more Baloch/Gedrosia which is related to West Asian. And that greener area in Northern Iraq/Syria represents Assyrians who score more West Asian than Kurds and Iranians but significantly less Gedrosia/Baloch.

[cyberlorian]

Do you have a link for this table? Edit didn't read to the end like an idiot

Here: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_admixture_frequencies_by_country.shtml

:)

[cyberlorian]

Interesting. What’s your definition of Caucasian?

I don't know the details but Caucasian admixture peaks among Georgians. Georgians have 73 percent Caucasian admixture.

[cyberlorian]

my results are quite different from this kurdish reference

only 15 samples and who knows from where . probably from the most southern or southeastern places

it says Atlantic Med = 6.1 but I score almost 10%

it says gedrosia = 28% but I score 23%

etc

Berkan you dumbfuck :cussing

Hadouken. :D

[Hadouken]

Hadouken. :D

:banghead::angry::tsk:

[cyberlorian]

:banghead::angry::tsk:

:D

[Borealis]

Indians are barely half Caucasian, lol.

[xtal]

Well Iran is larger than Levant and have more population so that obvious they are going to have slightly less Caucasian admixture but the north western Iranians definitely have more Caucasian blood than any levantine and infact 70% of them can pass in Caucasus region (also nw iran is basically part of Caucasus)
In the map u can see they are about the same.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180917/f485dda127c2b2d1efe4c19de1ea6dbd.gif

[Hadouken]

Berkan ağzına sıçayım :cussing

[xtal]

Btw why u r so obsessed with those people?

[zarzian]

Caucasian is basically Derived from Gedrosian, so its the total of the 2 which basically add up and both the descendants of the Zarzian culture.

[cyberlorian]

Btw why u r so obsessed with those people?

:D

[cyberlorian]

Berkan ağzına sıçayım :cussing

Orijinal adamsın cidden. :D

[Borealis]

Well Iran is larger than Levant and have more population so that obvious they are going to have slightly less Caucasian admixture but the north western Iranians definitely have more Caucasian blood than any levantine and infact 70% of them can pass in Caucasus region (also nw iran is basically part of Caucasus)
In the map u can see they are about the same.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180917/f485dda127c2b2d1efe4c19de1ea6dbd.gif

NW Iran has the same amount as northern Syria and Lebanon based on that map...

[xtal]

NW Iran has the same amount as northern Syria and Lebanon based on that map...That was my point

[Borealis]

That was my point

You said that "northwestern" iranians have more caucasian blood than Levantine, I told you its about the same.

[xtal]

Well in the map it is but in reality it is not hehe

[FinalFlash]

No way in hell do Syrians and Lebanese score higher Caucasian than Iranians, particularly NW Iranians.

[Aren]

No way in hell do Syrians and Lebanese score higher Caucasian than Iranians, particularly NW Iranians.

Lebanese and Syrian Christians do so indeed. The Muslims though have African input.

[FinalFlash]

Lebanese and Syrian Christians do so indeed. The Muslims though have African input.

Higher than NW Iranians? Doubt it. It's kind of unbelievable mainly because NW Iranians are closer to Armenia and Georgia which would suggest a higher ancient Caucasus input whereas Lebs and Syrians generally are an East Mediterranean population.

Maybe the Syrians and Lebs who do score higher Caucasus have recent ancestry from Caucasus-rich people like you guys for example?

Besides, look at how ridiculously low the sample sizes are on this chart for the aforementioned 3 groups. God knows what kind of Iranians or even levantines were tested.

[xtal]

Lebanese and Syrian Christians do so indeed. The Muslims though have African input.And yogurt is black

[Aren]

Higher than NW Iranians? Doubt it. It's kind of unbelievable mainly because NW Iranians are closer to Armenia and Georgia which would suggest a higher ancient Caucasus input whereas Lebs and Syrians generally are an East Mediterranean population.

Maybe the Syrians and Lebs who do score higher Caucasus have recent ancestry from Caucasus-rich people like you guys for example?

Besides, look at how ridiculously low the sample sizes are on this chart for the aforementioned 3 groups. God knows what kind of Iranians or even levantines were tested.

My bad I thought you meant Caucasian as in Caucasoid. NW Iranians score very similar to the Kurds of the area. And their so called "Caucasus" input is local and indigenous to the Iranian plateau, so I don't think it's correct to call it Caucasus even though it peaks there today.

[Marmara]

Berkan ağzına sıçayım :cussing

You made him leave :D

[Hadouken]

My bad I thought you meant Caucasian as in Caucasoid. NW Iranians score very similar to the Kurds of the area. And their so called "Caucasus" input is local and indigenous to the Iranian plateau, so I don't think it's correct to call it Caucasus even though it peaks there today.

:picard1: so you are saying Iranians dont score "real" Caucasus ? really ? wow ....you always top yourself with stupidity and agendas . I am a Kurd and score 40% caucasus btw

[xtal]

My bad I thought you meant Caucasian as in Caucasoid. NW Iranians score very similar to the Kurds of the area. And their so called "Caucasus" input is local and indigenous to the Iranian plateau, so I don't think it's correct to call it Caucasus even though it peaks there today.What about recent Caucasian muhajirs?

[Hadouken]

You made him leave :D

nah haha xD

[Marmara]

Higher than NW Iranians? Doubt it. It's kind of unbelievable mainly because NW Iranians are closer to Armenia and Georgia which would suggest a higher ancient Caucasus input whereas Lebs and Syrians generally are an East Mediterranean population.

Maybe the Syrians and Lebs who do score higher Caucasus have recent ancestry from Caucasus-rich people like you guys for example?

Besides, look at how ridiculously low the sample sizes are on this chart for the aforementioned 3 groups. God knows what kind of Iranians or even levantines were tested.

Caucasian admixture among Levantines is most likely ancient, and correlates to spread of Afro-Asiatic languages, Red hair existed in Ancient Levant, associated with Phoenicians, Jews and even Egyptians, guess where red hair is common? Original speakers of Afro-Asiatic languages are said to be from Southern Caucasus.

[FinalFlash]

:picard1: so you are saying Iranians dont score "real" Caucasus ? really ? wow ....you always top yourself with stupidity and agendas . I am a Kurd and score 40% caucasus

Just outta curiosity, what percentage of "Caucasus" would a Kurd from Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria score on average on Ancestry DNA?

[FinalFlash]

Caucasian admixture among Levantines is most likely ancient, and correlates to spread of Afro-Asiatic languages, Red hair existed in Ancient Levant, associated with Phoenicians, Jews and even Egyptians, guess where red hair is common? Original speakers of Afro-Asiatic languages are said to be from Southern Caucasus.

That's very unlikely since afro-asiatic languages probably originated literally anywhere outside Anatolia and Caucasus region.

[Hadouken]

Just outta curiosity, what percentage of "Caucasus" would a Kurd from Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria score on average on Ancestry DNA?

I dont know much about ancestrydna

but here this "persian kurdish" (dont know wtf that is supposed to be) has taken a test

https://www.facebook.com/AncestryDNAResults/videos/persian-kurdish-ancestry-dna-test-results/1343740185669630/

it says 76% Caucasus

I was talking about gedmatch (dodecad k12b)

[Aren]

:picard1: so you are saying Iranians dont score "real" Caucasus ? really ? wow ....you always top yourself with stupidity and agendas . I am a Kurd and score 40% caucasus btw

Why are you quoting me? Never do it again, you have issues.

[Hadouken]

Why are you quoting me? Never do it again, you have issues.

then dont talk about kurds and dont talk nonsense

you were basically saying that we dont score caucasus even though we score easily 40%

get lost already man ....wtf ....how annoying can a faceless nerd on the internet be . wow

[Aren]

then dont talk about kurds and dont talk nonsense

you were basically saying that we dont score caucasus even though we score easily 40%

get lost already man ....wtf ....how annoying can a faceless nerd on the internet be . wow

I will walk and write about anything I want, fucking PKK fanatic.

[Marmara]

That's very unlikely since afro-asiatic languages probably originated literally anywhere outside Anatolia and Caucasus region.

Afro-Asiatic languages most probably originate in South Caucasus there is strong evidences for it. It's the reason why Levantines score Caucasian.

[Hadouken]

I will walk and write about anything I want, fucking PKK fanatic.

you are abusing the internet . the problem with you is that in real life you are timid and dont have the balls to say stuff to people and then you come here and try to get into conflicts with people who would hospitalize you in real life . I am no pkk fan you coward

[Aren]

you are abusing the internet . the problem with you is that in real life you are timid and dont have the balls to say stuff to people and then you come here and try to get into conflicts with people who would hospitalize you in real life . I am no pkk fan you coward

You shouldn't act like a shrink when you have 1000 issues(one being suicidal) yourself.

[Hadouken]

You shouldn't act like a shrink when you have 1000 issues(one being suicidal) yourself.

:bored:

[Aren]

That's very unlikely since afro-asiatic languages probably originated literally anywhere outside Anatolia and Caucasus region.

First sign of CHG/Iran_N input in the Levant is dated back to the early Chalcolithic period(predating proto-Semitic by several thousand years). We don't have aDNA from Mesopotamia yet, but it's likely gonna be much older there. Pre-Pottery Neolithic I would guess.

[xtal]

Nobody gives a damn about genetics! No levantine can pass in northern Caucasus but at least 40% of northern Iranians can pass there with no problem

[Borealis]

Nobody gives a damn about genetics! No levantine can pass in northern Caucasus but at least 40% of northern Iranians can pass there with no problem

And more Levantines can pass in southern Europe, so?

[FinalFlash]

Nobody gives a damn about genetics! No levantine can pass in northern Caucasus but at least 40% of northern Iranians can pass there with no problem

Kinda. Genotype sometimes doesnt reflect in phenotype.

[FinalFlash]

First sign of CHG/Iran_N input in the Levant is dated back to the early Chalcolithic period(predating proto-Semitic by several thousand years). We don't have aDNA from Mesopotamia yet, but it's likely gonna be much older there. Pre-Pottery Neolithic I would guess.

How relevant was this input is the real question though? Did these CHG-Rich people migrate in large enough numbers and leave a hefty about of CHG?

For example, Lebanon has had an incursion of Euro DNA yet this is mostly relevant in the average Muslim seeing as how they score almost twice as much as their Christian counterparts. So, maybe a specific sect of Levantines have absorbed a lot of CHG instead of the entire region? Idk tbh, going off a handful of samples is unconvincing as far as this chart is concerned. The difference is arguably negligible even.

[Hadouken]

How relevant was this input is the real question though? Did these CHG-Rich people migrate in large enough numbers and leave a hefty about of CHG?

For example, Lebanon has had an incursion of Euro DNA yet this is mostly relevant in the average Muslim seeing as how they score almost twice as much as their Christian counterparts. So, maybe a specific sect of Levantines have absorbed a lot of CHG instead of the entire region? Idk tbh, going off a handful of samples is unconvincing as far as this chart is concerned. The difference is arguably negligible even.

how much european do Lebanese score ?

[Aren]

How relevant was this input is the real question though? Did these CHG-Rich people migrate in large enough numbers and leave a hefty about of CHG?

For example, Lebanon has had an incursion of Euro DNA yet this is mostly relevant in the average Muslim seeing as how they score almost twice as much as their Christian counterparts. So, maybe a specific sect of Levantines have absorbed a lot of CHG instead of the entire region? Idk tbh, going off a handful of samples is unconvincing as far as this chart is concerned. The difference is arguably negligible even.

Both Christian and Muslim Levantines show some minor European input, either Greek from the hellenistic era or further back from earlier Indo-Europeans(such as the Mitanni) in the case of the Christians. But yes the CHG input was so big that it almost totally replaced the native E1b haplgroups of the Levant. And all Christian Levantines score about the same amount of CHG/Iran_N.
Obviously modern Iranians still have more CHG/Iran_N than Levantines, but my point is that the Caucasus input in the Levant is really, really old.

[Haider]

Higher than NW Iranians? Doubt it. It's kind of unbelievable mainly because NW Iranians are closer to Armenia and Georgia which would suggest a higher ancient Caucasus input whereas Lebs and Syrians generally are an East Mediterranean population.

Maybe the Syrians and Lebs who do score higher Caucasus have recent ancestry from Caucasus-rich people like you guys for example?

Besides, look at how ridiculously low the sample sizes are on this chart for the aforementioned 3 groups. God knows what kind of Iranians or even levantines were tested.

East Med and Caucasus overlap a lot in the first place. In one calculator I get 50% East Med, in another almost 50% Caucasus.

[FinalFlash]

how much european do Lebanese score ?

On eurogenes K15 for instance, the average Leb Muslim scores 11%, west Med excluded. Whereas the average Christian Leb scores around 5 or 6%. I believe these are the figures if my memory doesnt deceive me.

[Lugh]

GEDmatch....
80139

I posted this in the other thread. Iranians and Kurds are closer to CHG than Levantines are, and further away from Natufians.

[Lugh]

They may have less actual CHG ancestry, but at least their CHG + Iran_N (related to CHG) is overall much higher.

[Fibonacci]

Lebanese and Syrian Christians do so indeed. The Muslims though have African input.

The christians wouldn't even come close to clustering with caucasians as Iranians do. Southern Iranians cluster closer to Georgians than Levants LOL. Complete horse shit. Everything here can be debunked through autosomal graphs. Levants cluster with their arab brothers. Iranians cluster between northern Mesopotamia and north Caucasus.

There are tons of professional genetic reports claiming that northern Iranian speakers can trace most of their ancestry to south Caucasus. It's only the deep south populated by semites and Balochis who aren't as close to caucasians than the rest are.

[FinalFlash]

It's the classic Gedmatch vs PCA chart conundrum.

[Babak]

Pahli(Iranian kurd) scores like 45% caucasian I think. Hes pretty archaic lol

[Babak]

No way in hell do Syrians and Lebanese score higher Caucasian than Iranians, particularly NW Iranians.

A lot of NW Iranians score less than 40% actually lol. There was a turkish member here that posted some Iranian azeri results and many of them even scored 36-37%. Probably due to increased East asian and less SW asian.

[FinalFlash]

A lot of NW Iranians score less than 40% actually lol. There was a turkish member here that posted some Iranian azeri results and many of them even scored 36-37%. Probably due to increased East asian and less SW asian.

Lol it's hard to believe tbh considering almost every PCA chart has them relatively close to Arms and Geos. Far closer than Levantine populations at least.

Then again, every calculator is different.

[Babak]

Lol it's hard to believe tbh considering almost every PCA chart has them relatively close to Arms and Geos. Far closer than Levantine populations at least.

Then again, every calculator is different.

Yea but it is what it is lol.

[Fibonacci]

A lot of NW Iranians score less than 40% actually lol. There was a turkish member here that posted some Iranian azeri results and many of them even scored 36-37%. Probably due to increased East asian and less SW asian.

I very much doubt that is the average of azeris. You definitely run into full caucasianoids than mongoloids or turanids in Azerbaijan but turanids aren't rare

[xtal]

A lot of NW Iranians score less than 40% actually lol. There was a turkish member here that posted some Iranian azeri results and many of them even scored 36-37%. Probably due to increased East asian and less SW asian.Obviously an Azeri from Zanjan is going to be different than an Azeri living in Tabriz because the more you go south the less you are going to have Caucasian admixture.

[Babak]

I very much doubt that is the average of azeris. You definitely run into full caucasianoids than mongoloids or turanids in Azerbaijan but turanids aren't rareAverage of azeris is 40% but there's a lot that score less than that. Its not surprising since iranian azerbaijan has been inhabited by Turkic tribes for centuries.

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[Babak]

Obviously an Azeri from Zanjan is going to be different than an Azeri living in Tabriz because the more you go south the less you are going to have Caucasian admixture.No, persians dont score much different except for extreme southern ones.

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[xtal]

No, persians dont score much different except for extreme southern ones.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using TapatalkBecause a lot of Georgians and Circassian Settled in central Iran as well

[Babak]

Because a lot of Georgians and Circassian Settled in central Iran as wellNo thats not why either. Persians were already rich in CHG.

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[xtal]

No thats not why either. Persians were already rich in CHG.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using TapatalkSo what are you trying to indicate from this?

[Babak]

So what are you trying to indicate from this?You said the more south you go, the less caucasian admixture there is.

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[xtal]

You said the more south you go, the less caucasian admixture there is.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using TapatalkI know but what is your point?