Spain vs United Kingdom in the war who would win?

[Ruggery]

Spain is one of the strongest opponents that has faced the United Kingdom in its history (rarely won the United Kingdom), but now in a possible modern war who has more chances to win?

[Westbrook]

UK and it's not even close

[Marinus]

Neither has the power to invade and conquer the other, the UK has a lot more power projection, but when we get there we wouldn't have the manpower to really do much.

We have nukes, but there's no point in using them, we would probably get punished by the other powers in such a scenario.

We are both members of NATO, whoever attacks first would lose support from the other members.

Whoever is enough of a dipshit to start such a war first would get economically sanctioned and forced to be behave.

It's a tie.

[Ruggery]

Neither has the power to invade and conquer the other, the UK has a lot more power projection, but when we get there we wouldn't have the manpower to really do much.

We have nukes, but there's no point in using them, we would probably get punished by the other powers in such a scenario.

We are both members of NATO, whoever attacks first would lose support from the other members.

Whoever is enough of a dipshit to start such a war first would get economically sanctioned and forced to be behave.

It's a tie.
If the United Kingdom attacks Spain, it will probably have the support of the United States.

[Kelmendasi]

The UK

[Marinus]

If the United Kingdom attacks Spain, it will probably have the support of the United States.

The only way the US enters the war is if Spain attacks first. Gibraltar would likely be the trigger, it's an important naval base for NATO, the US would likely prefer it remained in British hands.

But this is not a type of war the US would be too interested in fighting in tbh, they would just sanction the aggressor into submission.

[Catarinense1998]

Spain. Cristiano Viejo got some time in Spain's Special ground forces, so, probably, he would win easily this war for Spain.

[Ruggery]

Spain. Cristiano Viejo got some time in Spain's Special ground forces, so, probably, he would win easily this war for Spain.

He could only invade the united kingdom if he wanted xD

[Cristiano viejo]

UK and this is not even debatable.
Spain refuted to reach nuclear weapons.
Nothing else to add.

[Ruggery]

The only way the US enters the war is if Spain attacks first. Gibraltar would likely be the trigger, it's an important naval base for NATO, the US would likely prefer it remained in British hands.

But this is not a type of war the US would be too interested in fighting in tbh, they would just sanction the aggressor into submission.

If he is right, but if Spain decides to close the Gibraltar gate, what will the United Kingdom do?

[Ruggery]

UK and this is not even debatable.
Spain refuted to reach nuclear weapons.
Nothing else to add.

But if the combat does not have nuclear weapons?, In addition if Spain also carries nuclear weapons, I do not think the scenario changes much.

[Cristiano viejo]

But if the combat does not have nuclear weapons?, In addition if Spain also carries nuclear weapons, I do not think the scenario changes much.

Today the wars have nothing to do with bravery but with equipment, and Spain since many decades ago (since the death of Franco to be exact) became a country where demilitarization is debated among our politicians constantly.

It resembles a bit the example of Germany.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Lol... are you serious?! The UK has the world's oldest and most elite special air forces (second to none and upon which all other special forces in the world are based,) ranks in the world's top 10 militaries, is a nuclear power, has the world's best trained military, and the US is our First Ally, along with the Commonwealth nations of Canada, Australia, NZ, etc.

I didn't see the Spanish military even bother to intervene when the UK sent a warship (HMS Westminster) to Spain as a warning to them and to guard the British Overseas Territory of Gibraltar in recent years, after some hostile conflicts broke-out between the UK and Spanish government over Gibraltar. The Spanish government have since backed down.

Their Intelligence Agencies are no match for the elite intelligence agencies in the Five Eyes nations. Spain isn't even a powerful G7 nation.

I think the Spanish learned their lesson after their crushing defeat of the Spanish Armada.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYkgTwXAVzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4MJ8AYbz-0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daRoVw6ANMA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ4hLbD42q8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE1f3VWSRAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZzvLfXtDSQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY9p2-WKofY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAchHFziGfY

[Cristiano viejo]

Lol... are you serious?! The UK has the world's most elite special forces (second to none,) ranks in the world's top 10 militaries, is a nuclear power, has the world's best trained military, and the US is our First Ally, along with the Commonwealth nations.
Elite special forces mean nothing. Nuclear weapons and investments in army do.


I didn't see the Spanish military even bother to intervene when the UK spent a warship (HMS Westminster) to guard Gibraltar in recent years, after some conflicts broke out between the UK and Spanish government over Gibraltar. The Spanish government have since backed down.
Lefties governments are weak, not our fault.


I think the Spanish learned their lesson after their crushing defeat of the Spanish Armada.

Do a favor to yourself and learn some of history. Storms crushed the Spanish Armada, and that war was won by Spain. The Spanish Armada was only a chapter of a war where Spanish defeated English very easily https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Spanish_War_(1585%E2%80%931604)

In fact, it were English who learned the lesson and after they started that war, it were themselves who asked for the peace :thumb001:

[Longbowman]

No offence to Spain but assuming an even playing field it would not be a close fight. Even if the troops were of equal quality our armed services outnumber and outgun theirs enormously.

Obviously it's a hypothetical and we are allies. I would hate going to war with Spain.

[Cristiano viejo]

No offence to Spain but assuming an even playing field it would not be a close fight. Even if the troops were of equal quality our armed services outnumber and outgun theirs enormously.

That scenario was the same in all and every war that Spain defeated British :rolleyes:

[Ruggery]

Today the wars have nothing to do with bravery but with equipment, and Spain since many decades ago (since the death of Franco to be exact) became a country where demilitarization is debated among our politicians constantly.

It resembles a bit the example of Germany.

And what about the legionaries maybe they do not do much good?

[Longbowman]

That scenario was the same in all and every war that Spain defeated British :rolleyes:

1) We haven't fought each other for centuries
2) Example?
3) Britain has destroyed Spain (especially on the waters) despite being heavily outgunned before. I think our most recent fight was Trafalgar (many Spanish ships under the French flag) and we won handily.

Either way you suffer, as you say, today, from post-fascist fear of the military - same as Argentina, Germany, etc. the UK does not, although of course we don't have the money to maintain the forces we once maintained. So our troops are more experienced, more numerous and better equipped than yours. Not a reflection on national character, of course.

[Cristiano viejo]

And what about the legionaries maybe they do not do much good?

The Legionarios are the bravest part of the Spanish Army by far.
But the problem as I have said, is the lack of investments of our governments in the last decades. It happens exactly the same: every year the expenditure items for military spending is lower, while I think it is the opposite in UK.

[Cristiano viejo]

1) We haven't fought each other for centuries
2) Example?
3) Britain has destroyed Spain (especially on the waters) despite being heavily outgunned before. I think our most recent fight was Trafalgar (many Spanish ships under the French flag) and we won handily. our troops are more experienced, more numerous and better equipped than yours. Not a reflection on national character, of course.
English-British were more experienced, more numerous and better equipped than the Spanish always, or almost always.
Examples, you say?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Spanish_War_(1585%E2%80%931604) (this could be the only war where Spanish were superior in experience and better equipped than British, and not even)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Spanish_War_(1625%E2%80%931630)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_and_the_American_Revolutionary_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_invasions_of_the_River_Plate

Oh yes, we defeated us in Trafalgar, where the most part of the French-Spanish army was French :rolleyes:

[♥ Lily ♥]

Elite special forces mean nothing. Nuclear weapons and investments in army do.


Lefties governments are weak, not our fault.


Do a favor to yourself and learn some of history. Storms crushed the Spanish Armada, and that war was won by Spain. The Spanish Armada was only a chapter of a war where Spanish defeated English very easily https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Spanish_War_(1585%E2%80%931604)

In fact, it were English who learned the lesson and after they started that war, it were themselves who asked for the peace :thumb001:

Special Forces are very important for jumping high distances from the sky, as well as being able to discreetly low-jump to gather intelligence. It was our special forces that played a major role in helping to defeat Germany during WW2.

4:57 = superman flying through the sky. :heartbea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDMPvJiaL18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of4E-2fSeWs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAAk8J1i5BE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0uqj3zY6mg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYFi0_SAM6g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OhjAhWOpsA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7MBqTw2vl0

You need to learn some history mate. The moon and the sea tides also helped to defeat the Armada.... which the English had good knowledge of.... especially one night when the English sailors sacrificed one of our ships by setting it on fire... and letting it sail with the tide straight into the Spanish Armada whilst they slept... which broke-up their formation.

The Spanish ships were far too large and unpractical for the choppy and rough conditions and narrow waters of the English Channel Sea.

They had no experience of navigating our seas and ended-up getting some of their large ships stuck in the shallow waters of the Solent. The English ships were smaller and faster and much more suitable to navigate the conditions of the English Channel Sea.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgNYsAGgVYU

[♥ Lily ♥]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYM8LwYqGeo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gJW0cX-RkA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEqKLiQGEJ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WpnVyP3lso

[Longbowman]

English-British were more experienced, more numerous and better equipped than the Spanish always, or almost always.
Examples, you say?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Spanish_War_(1585%E2%80%931604) (this could be the only war where Spanish were superior in experience and better equipped than British, and not even)

fue un empate


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Spanish_War_(1625%E2%80%931630)

fue un empate


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_and_the_American_Revolutionary_War

vaya no puedes usar esto como ejemplo mientras diciendo que trafalgar no cuenta porque fuisteis el minoritario de las tropas involucradas :rolleyes:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_invasions_of_the_River_Plate

:(

para ti:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toma_de_Gibraltar_(1704)
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitio_de_Gibraltar_(1727)
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitio_de_Gibraltar_(1779-1783)

;)

[Marinus]

If he is right, but if Spain decides to close the Gibraltar gate, what will the United Kingdom do?

If they invaded Gibraltar?

Not much can be done, while the UK is quite a lot stronger than Spain nowadays, Spain would have home advantage, they wouldn't need to move their army anywhere outside their borders and would be within their own airspace. The logistics for mobilising a full invansion would hinder the UK's response.

The UK wouldn't need to use military might though, NATO would automatically side against the Spanish. It starts with diplomatic and economic sanctions, which are enough to crumble the country from within, if Spain decides not to return Gibraltar, then it would be the might of NATO knocking on their doors. While Spain could take Gibraltar for a few days, they wouldn't be able to keep a hold of it.

If the fight happened on neutral ground, then odds would favour the British due to better trained and experienced personnel, and much more power projection capabilities.

[Marinus]

Also it's worth a note that I'm half English and half Spanish (3/8 really), and such a conflict would be exceptionally painful for me, I have family and property in Spain.

[♥ Lily ♥]

After Spain's national tragedy and the crushing and humiliating defeat of their armada (no Spanish Catholic Inquistion for Protestant England :P)... the British then took over the Spanish to have the world's largest and greatest empire.

Gibraltar is still British Territory.

It's funny because the English frequently sent our pirates to loot the Spanish ships in the Caribbean, but in modern times our Royal Navy actually helped to save a Spanish vessel from being looted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-wiusGBDP0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70HJ8glMIVM

[Selurong]

Lily [emoji813];5442342]After Spain's national tragedy and the crushing and humiliating defeat of their armada (no Spanish Catholic Inquistion for Protestant England)... the British then took over the Spanish to have the world's largest and greatest empire.

Gibraltar is still British Territory.

Lols the British prepared the even larger English counter Armada to invade Spain but the Spanish destroyed that.

Also, Free Catholic Northern Ireland!

Catholic Ireland is now richer than their once Protestant Masters in the UK. Ireland has a larger GDP per Capita than the UK. You English should return Northern Ireland back to the Irish.

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[Longbowman]

Lols the British prepared the even larger English counter Armada to invade Spain but the Spanish destroyed that.

Also, Free Catholic Northern Ireland!

Catholic Ireland is now richer than their once Protestant Masters in the UK. Ireland has a larger GDP per Capita than the UK. You English should return Northern Ireland back to the Irish.

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but Catholic Philippines is still poorer than Shinto Japan. Sad!

Free the Moros, btw.

[Selurong]

but Catholic Philippines is still poorer than Shinto Japan. Sad!

Free the Moros, btw.

Lels.

Japan has a debt to GDP ratio of 230%. They may look rich but it's all debt.

In contrast, even though our economy is smaller our debt to GDP is only 34%

I can't say the same thing for the British who's economy is almost 90% drowned in debt.





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[Hithaeglir]

The UK probably.The US will fuck Spain if this ever happened.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Lols the British prepared the even larger English counter Armada to invade Spain but the Spanish destroyed that.

Also, Free Catholic Northern Ireland!

Catholic Ireland is now richer than their once Protestant Masters in the UK. Ireland has a larger GDP per Capita than the UK. You English should return Northern Ireland back to the Irish.

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I'm not one of the Scots-Irish colonists occupying NI. :) Can't blame me for NI.

Free the Basque Country and Catalonia!

[frankhammer]

Some threads make me wish I was from anywhere but Earth. All this ancient history being brought up, so cringeworthy.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Spain's weak military doesn't even rank in the top 20 powerful militaries. Their naval force isn't even in the top 10, and neither is their air force. What practical experiences do they have in modern times of wars and fighting in different climates and conditions? They're not a nuclear nation. They're not a powerful G7 nation. Our allies in NATO and the UN would side with the UK. The US is our first ally.

[Ruggery]

After Spain's national tragedy and the crushing and humiliating defeat of their armada (no Spanish Catholic Inquistion for Protestant England :P)... the British then took over the Spanish to have the world's largest and greatest empire.

Gibraltar is still British Territory.

It's funny because the English frequently sent our pirates to loot the Spanish ships in the Caribbean, but in modern times our Royal Navy actually helped to save a Spanish vessel from being looted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-wiusGBDP0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70HJ8glMIVM

That is to have 0% honor, if you are going to face your enemies do it your fist to fist or edge to edge do not send others to do your dirty work.

[♥ Lily ♥]

That is to have 0% honor, if you are going to face your enemies do it your fist to fist or edge to edge do not send others to do your dirty work.

:confused:

Catholic Spain tried to conquer Protestant England when they sent the Spanish Armada on their 'holy' war mission to judge, hate, murder and kill and conquer England (who the Spanish King called 'an island of heretics') .. after the English had looted Spanish ships at sea, 'insulted Spain's religion', and had sent help to the Protestant Dutch in their wars against Catholic Spain.

The Spanish took more priests onboard their grand ships than practical trained sailors as they cared more about prestige and believed they were 'blessed' and would win the war to conquer England.

The Catholic Spanish were pissed about the red-headed Protestant Queen Elizabeth I (a.k.a. 'The Virgin Queen') being on the throne of England after the death of her half-sister (the extremely evil and most hated Queen ever in England... the half Spanish Catholic Bloody Mary,) who had Protestants burned to death in the streets of England.

The fat Bloody Mary had the shy and gracious Protestant Lady Jane Grey (a 15 year old Queen of England for just 9 days) captured and held inside the fortress dungeons of The Tower of London, before being publicly beheaded and executed outside The Tower.

Lady Jane didn't even want to become the Queen after the deaths of Henry VIII and Edward VI. She was very reluctant and shy... but she was heavily persuaded and urged by the Protestant clergy to become the Queen.... as Protestant Elizabeth was still too young to take the throne.

Mary was the next in line to the throne and she was a Catholic and disowned by her Protestant father Henry VIII. The English didn't want Mary on the throne of England. Lady Jane was a distant cousin to the King and she was a Protestant.

Bloody Mary gathered her catholic troops to capture the 15 year old Protestant Queen (Lady Jane,) and had her beheaded and murdered.

Bloody Mary then had Protestants burned to death all over England. English people were reported as fleeing the nation for a while due to the smell of burning flesh everywhere and due to all the bloodshed caused by Bloody Mary and her bloodthirsty Catholic troops.... only returning to the country once the Bloody Mary had passed away and Queen Elizabeth was on the throne.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgwb5bln-Fw

The reign of Elizabeth I in Tudor England was known as 'England's Golden Age.' By the time Elizabeth I passed away, the Spanish Armada had been defeated, and England had become the richest and most powerful nation in Europe.

Protestant Elizabeth I was on the throne of England during the time that the Catholic Spanish Armada tried to invade England.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xN_89uynqw

Protestant Elizabeth I's evil half-sister Catholic 'Bloody Mary' had Protestants and Heretics beheaded and burned alive in England, including pregnant Protestant females who she also had burned to death in the name of her religious fanaticism. She remains as the most hated Queen ever. (Her late mother was Catherine of Aragon from Spain.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV89qCXpVco

Word got back to Queen Elizabeth I from her spies in Spain they were building a massive armada with the aim to conquer England.

So the English also prepared a fleet and kept watch along the south coast of England with their telescopes for many months before the arrival of the Armada along the horizon.

The English had good practical knowledge of the moon's effects on the sea tides and used this to their advantage during the battle. The English ships were led by a highly experienced naval officer (Sir Francis Drake.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Drake

Spain never conquered England;- they lost and failed miserably as our sailors defended our island. After the defeat of the Spanish Armada, the British took over the Spanish to have the world's largest empire.

[Ruggery]

I'm not one of the Scots-Irish colonists occupying NI. :) Can't blame me for NI.

Free the Basque Country and Catalonia!

And also for Scotland ;)
http://i2.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article1782041.ece/alternates/s2197/Mel%20Gibson%20as%20William%20Wallace%20in%20the%2 0film%20Braveheart.jpg
https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1373415/pro-independence-campaigners-march-through-edinburgh.jpg?w=660&e=a1c618642a594f8be9e7f038fd58ab04
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/03/25/BrexitCard_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJw fSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.png?imwidth=450

[WilliamA]

Surely not a serious question. We wouldn't need to nuke the shit out of them but if we had a real government we would do just to save time, cost and precious British lives. Regardless we would not only conquer them, they'd be a hell of a lot easier to invade than Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya, at least those guys had the balls to resist. What would the Spanish do? Wave neckerchiefs at us?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I do not think that the United Kingdom would be able to conquer Spain on their soil, neither Spain would be able to defeat them on their soil.

[JosephK]

Whoever wins, it would be funny.

[Ruggery]

:confused:

Catholic Spain tried to conquer Protestant England when they sent the Spanish Armada on their 'holy' war mission to judge, hate, murder and kill and conquer England (who the Spanish King called 'an island of heretics') .. after the English had looted Spanish ships at sea, 'insulted Spain's religion', and had sent help to the Protestant Dutch in their wars against Catholic Spain.

The Spanish took more priests onboard their grand ships than practical trained sailors as they cared more about prestige and believed they were 'blessed' and would win the war to conquer England. The Spanish were pissed about Protestant Elizabeth ('The Virgin Queen') being on the throne after the death of her half-sister (the extremely evil and most hated Queen ever in England... the half Spanish Catholic Bloody Mary,) who had protestants burned to death in the streets of England and she had the shy Protestant Lady Jane Grey (a 15 year old Queen of England for just 9 days) captured and beheaded outside the Tower of London.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xN_89uynqw

Protestant Elizabeth I's evil half-sister Catholic 'Bloody Mary' who had Protestants burned to death in England. She remains as the most hated Queen ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV89qCXpVco

Word got back to Queen Elizabeth I from her spies in Spain they were building a massive armada with the aim to conquer England.
So the English also prepared a fleet and kept watch along the south coast of England with their telescopes for many months for the arrival of the Armada along the horizon.

The English had good knowledge of the moon's effects on the sea tides and used this to their advantage during the battle. The English ships were led by a highly experienced naval officer (Sir Francis Drake.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Drake

Spain never conquered England;- they lost and failed miserably as our sailors defended our island. After the defeat of the Spanish Armada, the British took over the Spanish to have the world's largest empire.

That has nothing to do, you talked about the pirates who attacked Spanish ships, it's very easy to send bandits to do your job instead of your own army or troops.

[Ruggery]

Surely not a serious question. We wouldn't need to nuke the shit out of them but if we had a real government we would do just to save time, cost and precious British lives. Regardless we would not only conquer them, they'd be a hell of a lot easier to invade than Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya, at least those guys had the balls to resist. What would the Spanish do? Wave neckerchiefs at us?

Nobody talks about destroying only a war without using nuclear weapons.

[Longbowman]

Lels.

Japan has a debt to GDP ratio of 230%. They may look rich but it's all debt.

In contrast, even though our economy is smaller our debt to GDP is only 34%

I can't say the same thing for the British who's economy is almost 90% drowned in debt.

You're still extremely poor my d00dski and fighting armed rebellions every other day with gov't death squads shooting people in the streets.

You're gonna b v disappointed when you find out what the PIIGS are and what religion the majority of their inhabitants are. Ireland got where it is via the highest government debt in the world.

[WilliamA]

Nobody talks about destroying only a war without using nuclear weapons.

How can you rule out nuclear weapons? Should we also rule out tanks and artillery then? do we have to assume the armies are using identical equipment and of identical size? If not then you can't rule out nuclear weapons. The fact is Spain is not a "potencia" and Britain is, and they know it.

[Mr. Anybody]

http://i64.tinypic.com/rjpnip.jpg

[♥ Lily ♥]

And also for Scotland ;)
http://i2.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article1782041.ece/alternates/s2197/Mel%20Gibson%20as%20William%20Wallace%20in%20the%2 0film%20Braveheart.jpg
https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1373415/pro-independence-campaigners-march-through-edinburgh.jpg?w=660&e=a1c618642a594f8be9e7f038fd58ab04
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/03/25/BrexitCard_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJw fSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.png?imwidth=450

Protestant King James of Scotland caused the Union of Crowns. He was the first King to ever call himself as the 'King of Great Britain.' Catholic Guy Fawkes nearly blew him 'back to his Scottish mountains'. Blame King James of Scotland for the Union.

[♥ Lily ♥]

That has nothing to do, you talked about the pirates who attacked Spanish ships, it's very easy to send bandits to do your job instead of your own army or troops.

The pirates were also our sailors. They did a good job of looting treasures from the Spanish ships in the Caribbean. :p :cool: The purpose was to weaken the Spanish Empire and strengthen the British Empire. Where I come from along the south-west coast, we have a proud history of pirates and smugglers coves. :P

I'm originally from Bournemouth and here's our Pirate Day: https://www.bournemouth.co.uk/whats-on/harry-paye-pirate-day-p2393463

https://www.bournemouth.co.uk/imageresizer/?image=%2fdmsimgs%2fCH8W6XvWIAA_KL7.jpg-pwrt3_618389582.jpg&action=ProductDetail

More pirate celebrations: https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/16416444.pirates-rock-rebels-to-hit-sgb-premiership-top-spot/

'All is fair in both love and war.'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdqy6DwtGgI

[Ruggery]

How can you rule out nuclear weapons? Should we also rule out tanks and artillery then? do we have to assume the armies are using identical equipment and of identical size? If not then you can't rule out nuclear weapons. The fact is Spain is not a "potencia" and Britain is, and they know it.

Bro do not know if you know but Spain does not have nuclear weapons, use nuclear weapons against Spain would be the same as using a bazooka against a man armed with a sub-automatic rifle, also if they send a missile or nuclear bomb to Spain you will lose support international and attract more enemies like the neighbor of Spain France.

[Ruggery]

Protestant King James of Scotland caused the Union of Crowns. He was the first King to ever call himself as the 'King of Great Britain.' Catholic Guy Fawkes nearly blew him 'back to his Scottish mountains'. Blame King James of Scotland for the Union.

Do not be surprised if in the future that union ends. :wave

[Lafaur]

Spaniards are a bunch of sissies

[Ruggery]

The pirates were also our sailors. They did a good job of looting treasures from the Spanish ships in the Caribbean. :p :cool: The purpose was to weaken the Spanish Empire and strengthen the British Empire. Where I come from along the south coast, we have a proud history of pirates and smugglers coves. :P

'All is fair in both love and war.'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRh-dzrI4Z4
And after the pirates did the dirty work the Britons executed them.

[Selurong]

You're still extremely poor my d00dski and fighting armed rebellions every other day with gov't death squads shooting people in the streets.

You're gonna b v disappointed when you find out what the PIIGS are and what religion the majority of their inhabitants are.

Even though we're poor, at least we live within our means. We don't have astronomical levels of household and government debt to feed a false sense of affluence.

Yes, our country is constantly facing challenges, wars (the recent being the ISIS attack on Marawi city), natural disasters (Manila is considered the second most disaster prone capital next to Tokyo) and poverty. But we are doing good (still growing our economy by 6-7%) despite our handicaps. We try our best to be a resilient people.

Also, I know about PIIGS and I know that, that acronym is missing another G (For Great Britain) since the UK also faces a debt problem too.



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[Longbowman]

Do not be surprised if in the future that union ends. :wave

About as likely as Catalonia seceding (successfully).

[Selurong]

Lols. Great Britain is part of PIGS club.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/PIIGGS

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[WilliamA]

Bro do not know if you know but Spain does not have nuclear weapons,

Of course I know, that was my whole point. that's precisely WHY we could nuke them.

So what you are saying is we can't compare how advanced the military capabilities of each country are then? We must assume everyone is using exactly the same equipment and the armies are the same size?

The whole point of course is that Britain is a nuclear power and could annihilate Spain, they are in no position to try any shit with us ever, end of discussion.

[Longbowman]

Even though we're poor, at least we live within our means. We don't have astronomical levels of household and government debt to feed a false sense of affluence.

Yes, our country is constantly facing challenges, wars (the recent being the ISIS attack on Marawi city), natural disasters (Manila is considered the second most disaster prone capital next to Tokyo) and poverty. But we are doing good (still growing our economy by 6-7%) despite our handicaps. We try our best to be a resilient people.

Also, I know about PIIGS and I know that, that acronym is missing another G (For Great Britain) since the UK also faces a debt problem too.



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PIIGGS is not a common acronym. PIIGS is. PIIGGS was used briefly for a couple of years. But Britain's economy is more diversified than Ireland's. Besides, you were the one who hypocritically mentioned debt levels. I merely pointed out your heroes have even higher ones.

You're third-worlders, we're not pretending affluence, we've always been affluent, you've always been Spain's biatches.

[Ruggery]

About as likely as Catalonia seceding (successfully).

Catalonia I do not care is not my country, whether it separates or not, it's not my problem. In any case, you are right, it is possible for Catalonia to become as independent as Scotland.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Do not be surprised if in the future that union ends. :wave

You're very bitter towards the English. I sense it's over The Falklands. Well what the English should do is wait until Scotland leaves and we gain our autonomy and own parliament and equal rights in healthcare, student fees, etc, in England that the Scottish currently have, and then take all the profits from the sales of the billions of barrels of oil in The Falklands. :) :wave

[Ruggery]

About as likely as Catalonia seceding (successfully).

Catalonia I do not care is not my country, whether it separates or not, it's not my problem. In any case, you are right, it is possible for Catalonia to become as independent as Scotland.

[♥ Lily ♥]

You can see the poorly-veiled bitterness of the Anglophobic posters Selurong and Ruggery... and these two don't just show their Anglophobic hatred on this thread, but on multiple threads. :lmao Look who started this thread. :rolleyes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Financial_Centres_Index


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhcgD2NxAIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jta6n51c64

[Mr. Anybody]

Of course I know, that was my whole point. that's precisely WHY we could nuke them.

So what you are saying is we can't compare how advanced the military capabilities of each country are then? We must assume everyone is using exactly the same equipment and the armies are the same size?

The whole point of course is that Britain is a nuclear power and could annihilate Spain, they are in no position to try any shit with us ever, end of discussion.


..17 year old schoolboy who bıg fan of call of duty said that.

[Mr. Anybody]

Of course I know, that was my whole point. that's precisely WHY we could nuke them.

So what you are saying is we can't compare how advanced the military capabilities of each country are then? We must assume everyone is using exactly the same equipment and the armies are the same size?

The whole point of course is that Britain is a nuclear power and could annihilate Spain, they are in no position to try any shit with us ever, end of discussion.


you think that nuclear missiles are potatoes?

Nuclear and thermonuclear weapons are a deterrent force and the last resort

[Ruggery]

You can see the poorly-veiled bitterness of the Anglophobic posters Selurong and Ruggery... and these two don't just show their Anglophobic hatred on this thread, but on multiple threads. :lmao Look who started this thread. :rolleyes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhcgD2NxAIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jta6n51c64

I'm not Anglo-phobic, I do not hate any nation in the world, maybe you think I hate the UK for doing this thread, the truth is that I'm not, I'm just doing this for fun. I like the British, it's just that I'm annoyed a bit by the attitude of some Anglo members.

[WilliamA]

you think that nuclear missiles are potatoes?

Nuclear and thermonuclear weapons are a deterrent force and the last resort

Potatoes? I no be Irish.

Nuclear weapons are currently seen as a last resort correct. However if Spain ever tried to go war with us I would fully support their use just as I support it now against Iran.

[Selurong]

PIIGGS is not a common acronym. PIIGS is. PIIGGS was used briefly for a couple of years. But Britain's economy is more diversified than Ireland's. Besides, you were the one who hypocritically mentioned debt levels. I merely pointed out your heroes have even higher ones.

You're third-worlders, we're not pretending affluence, we've always been affluent, you've always been Spain's biatches.

Actually among the PIIGGS, Catholic Ireland has a lower debt to GDP ratio than Protestant Britain.

And lol at you for saying that we were Spain's bitches as if GB is exempt from periods of it being colonized too...

Under the Romans, Norman-French and etc.

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[Ruggery]

Potatoes? I no be Irish.

Nuclear weapons are currently seen as a last resort correct. However if Spain ever tried to go war with us I would fully support their use just as I support it now against Iran.

Why do not you also support him with Turkey or Saudi Arabia?

[♥ Lily ♥]

We don't even need to resort to using nukes, as our naval and air forces and military and special forces are more experienced and powerful than Spain's. I didn't see the Spanish government try to send any of their warships to Gibraltar when the UK sent a warship there as a warning to the Spanish government in 2013. The Spanish government backed-off with their verbal threats and no war broke-out.

It's like with The Falklands... the world's most advanced anti-aircraft ship and a UK nuclear submarine was sent there like a security guard to defend the islands after a series of verbal threats were made by the Argentine government to invade the islands again when oil-drilling operations commenced in the region. It was sent there as a peace deterrent to prevent the Argentines from starting another war with Great Britain.

Spain won't have a problem with the UK, and neither will Argentina - unless either of them want a war. The ball's in their courts as the British aren't making any wars with either of them. But the British will defend both of the British Overseas Territories of The Falklands and Gibraltar if either Argentina or Spain tries to start another war. It's up to them if they want another war.

The Falkland Islanders have overwhelmingly voted that they wish to remain British;- so respect their democratic vote instead of trying to force them to be Argentines against their will.

If Argentines are so against the British colonisation of the Falklands, I suggest the colonists of Argentina leave Argentina and give the country back to the Amerindians and go back to Spain... it would look less hypocritical.

[WilliamA]

Why do not you also support him with Turkey or Saudi Arabia?

One at a time.

[Mr. Anybody]

Why do not you also support him with Turkey or Saudi Arabia?

because there are many nuclear warheads in Turkey,also that geography is strategically important,and Russia is waiting for a reason to erase Brıtaın from scene of hıstory.

[Mr. Anybody]

Why do not you also support him with Turkey or Saudi Arabia?

Do you know about the balance policy?

[Ruggery]

because there are many nuclear warheads in Turkey,also that geography is strategically important,and Russia is waiting for a reason to erase Brıtaın from scene of hıstory.

Russia?

[Ruggery]

Do you know about the balance policy?

You talk about nuclear politics?

[Mr. Anybody]

We don't even need to resort to using nukes, as our naval and air forces and military and special forces are more experienced and powerful than Spain's. I didn't see the Spanish government try to send any of their warships to Gibraltar when the UK sent a warship there in 2013. The Spanish government backed-off.

It's like with The Falklands... the world's most advanced anti-aircraft ship and a UK nuclear submarine was sent there like a security guard to defend the islands after a series of verbal threats were made by the Argentine government to invade the islands again when oil-drilling operations commenced in the region. It was sent there as a peace deterrent to prevent the Argentines from starting another war with Great Britain.

Spain won't have a problem with the UK, and neither will Argentina - unless either of them want a war. The ball's in their courts as the British aren't making any wars with either of them. But the British will defend both of the British Overseas Territories of The Falklands and Gibraltar if either Argentina or Spain tries to start another war. It's up to them if they want another war.

The Falkland Islanders have overwhelmingly voted that they wish to remain British;- so respect their democratic vote instead of trying to force them to be Argentines against their will.

If Argentines are so against the British colonisation of the Falklands, I suggest the colonists of Argentina leave Argentina and give the country back to the Amerindians and go back to Spain... it would look less hypocritical.

sorry lady.but you're overseeing the british army.The deterrence of most armies is severely reduced without nuclear heads.

[Mr. Anybody]

You talk about nuclear politics?

ısnt.
edit :ı typed wrong.mu fault.

policies of balance(also know as power of balance).google it.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Argentina can't be trusted because when the UK and Argentines had peace talks in the US, they looked us in the eye and promised not to invade The Falklands... only to break their promise and a war broke out between Great Britain and Argentina in the 1980's.

The Argentine government started rudely mouthing-off at the UK again in recent years, started lecturing against colonisation and against Falkland Islander people, called British people... (British people;- that's people who live on our native island of Great Britain) as 'colonists'... (the hypocritical Argentines are colonists of Argentina!) ... made a series of verbal threats against us... so the UK government didn't mouth-off back, but just calmly sent a warship to the British Falkland Islands as a security measure against their threats.

The Argentines provocatively blocked sea ports along the Latin American coast from UK ships and visciously attacked UK businesses in Argentina. The UK Foreign Office stated it was unsafe for British people to travel there at the time.

Then the hysterical and over-emotional Argentine government went crying to the UN about the UK sending a nuclear submarine to the region and they tried to make out the UK is going to attack Argentina. I don't see the UK attacking Argentina. :dunno: The only nation making threats of an attack and war against the British Territory of The Falklands... are the Argentines. We have the right to defend our own territory against threats of an attack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB1HHvQLJVo

Take over Argentina next time too... :P
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http://i.picasion.com/resize88/3ba349dbc7af95b93aad755fb4419a43.png
http://i.picasion.com/resize88/ff6845a2096259984c9de8e80e250f2f.png
http://i.picasion.com/resize88/09a42bbf571e52c9fca11fd0c53d04ea.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucChjfWzPgw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in0nt_xiqUI

Savage brutes in Argentina protesting about RAF Search & Rescue Pilot Prince William visiting the British Falklands Islands in his RAF helicopter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ja48-5Rgp0

You don't see British people burning Argentine flags or behaving like this. These people in the video are behaving like uncivilised savages. They're provocative troublemakers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOlWd9AjT_I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpOVv1-Qfo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtEofdJjclc

They also protested against a Canadian goldmining company in Argentina. :P :cool: 'Don't cry for me Argentina...'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m30hlmVlzBc

And this Anglophobic drug-addicted crackhead Diego Maradona (an ardent commie supporter of the dead Latin-American leaders Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro,) is sooooo rude and outspoken against both the UK and the US. I can't stand this renowned football cheat and outspoken git. I couldn't stand that rude and outspoken and Anglophobic slob Hugo Chavez either when he was alive.
http://www.etoday.ru/uploads/2008/10/31/maradona_blonde_2000.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/15/article-0-0647C3BD000005DC-952_468x350.jpg
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-cup/2018/06/27/TELEMMGLPICT000004308344_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqk1vQnXP B3IwW2HOV72333QIucT0aGVxTuueMMuLvL3Q.jpeg?imwidth= 450

When the English invented the game of football... the rules are that the ball is kicked into the net. Diego cheated in a 1986 World Cup Quarter Final against England with a handball in the net so that Argentina won the game. He then made racist and Anglophobic comments for years after the game that he hates the English and Americans. Yeah, well, the feeling's mutual... I hate that little fat rat twice as much back. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ccNkksrfls

David Beckham shows how it's done. :P :thumb001:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1CdvwLCtso

[Ruggery]

Argentina can't be trusted because when the UK and Argentines had peace talks in the US, they looked us in the eye and promised not to invade The Falklands... only to break their promise and a war broke out between Great Britain and Argentina in the 1980's.

The Argentine government started rudely mouthing-off at the UK again in recent years, started lecturing against colonisation and against Falkland Islander people, called British people... (British people;- that's people who live on our native island of Great Britain) as 'colonists'... (the hypocritical Argentines are colonists of Argentina!) ... made a series of verbal threats against us... so the UK government didn't mouth-off back, but just calmly sent a warship to the British Falkland Islands as a security measure against their threats.

The Argentines provocatively blocked sea ports along the Latin American coast from UK ships and visciously attacked UK businesses in Argentina. The UK Foreign Office stated it was unsafe for British people to travel there at the time.

Then the hysterical and over-emotional Argentine government went crying to the UN about the UK sending a nuclear submarine to the region and they tried to make out the UK is going to attack Argentina. I don't see the UK attacking Argentina. :dunno: The only nation making threats of an attack and war against the British Territory of The Falklands... are the Argentines. We have the right to defend our own territory against threats of an attack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB1HHvQLJVo

Take over Argentina next time too... :P
http://i.picasion.com/resize88/07d344744540a14e810250e2c58ce070.png
http://i.picasion.com/resize88/3ba349dbc7af95b93aad755fb4419a43.png
http://i.picasion.com/resize88/ff6845a2096259984c9de8e80e250f2f.png
http://i.picasion.com/resize88/09a42bbf571e52c9fca11fd0c53d04ea.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucChjfWzPgw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in0nt_xiqUI

Savage brutes in Argentina protesting about RAF Search & Rescue Pilot Prince William visiting the British Falklands Islands in his RAF helicopter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ja48-5Rgp0

You don't see British people burning Argentine flags or behaving like this. These people in the video are behaving like uncivilised savages. They're provocative troublemakers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOlWd9AjT_I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpOVv1-Qfo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtEofdJjclc

They also protested against a Canadian goldmining company in Argentina. :P :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m30hlmVlzBc

Relax Lily right now nobody plans to invade the islands, you should leave your paranoia.

[Longbowman]

Actually among the PIIGGS, Catholic Ireland has a lower debt to GDP ratio than Protestant Britain.

And lol at you for saying that we were Spain's bitches as if GB is exempt from periods of it being colonized too...

Under the Romans, Norman-French and etc.

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You were a colony just a few decades ago. Since the Normans invaded England* (not Britain), the UK has become a global superpower.

Again you're being disingenuous, flip. You brought up debt. Ireland has stacks of it. Therefore, by your logic, they don't count. Try again.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Relax Lily right now nobody plans to invade the islands, you should leave your paranoia.

Lol... the paranoid ones are the Argentine government who cried to the UN about the UK defending our own territory after they made a load of verbal threats. You started this thread. There's not going to be any war between the UK and Spain, but I know your hatred of the UK stems over the Falklands. That really is the reason behind your persistent Anglophobia on threads.

[Joso]

In a war, everyone loses

[lisarb]

You were a colony just a few decades ago. Since the Normans invaded England* (not Britain), the UK has become a global superpower.

Again you're being disingenuous, flip. You brought up debt. Ireland has stacks of it. Therefore, by your logic, they don't count. Try again.

British were afraid of the Philippine dynasty

[lisarb]

Lol... you're the paranoid one who cries to the UN about the UK defending our own territory. You started this thread. There's not going to be any war between the UK and Spain, but I know your hatred of the UK stems over the Falklands. That really is the reason behind your persistent Anglophobia on threads.

malvinas son argentinas

[♥ Lily ♥]

malvinas son argentinas

Stop talking gibberish. The Falkland Islands are British. :) That's an official fact.

[lisarb]

The Falkland Islands are British. :)

british colony

[♥ Lily ♥]

british colony

In which case, then Brazil doesn't belong to you;- Brazil is also colonised!

[lisarb]

In which case, then Brazil doesn't belong to you;- Brazil is also colonised!

my family is a brazilian!

[♥ Lily ♥]

my family is a brazilian!

100% Amerindian? No colonial European ancestry?

Colonisation is a part of Darwinian nature. It's a competitive world in nature. The strong survive in nature and the weak perish. C'est la vie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5YaihAtnC4

[Longbowman]

malvinas son argentinas

rio grande je srbija

see I can say words too


British were afraid of the Philippine dynasty

facts

[lisarb]

100% Amerindian? No European ancestry?

Colonisation is a part of Darwinian nature. The strong survive in nature and the weak perish. C'est la vie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5YaihAtnC4

love british girls hahahahaha

[♥ Lily ♥]

love british girls hahahahaha

You love British boys too? :) You didn't answer my question about your ancestry, but evaded it instead. :)

[lisarb]

You love British boys too? :) You didn't answer my question about your ancestry, but evaded it instead. :)

I'm macho
my family is predominantly black and mulatto

[♥ Lily ♥]

I'm macho
my family is predominantly black and mulatto

So your ancestors originated from Africans, rather than from Native Amerindians? Do you have any European colonial ancestry?

[lisarb]

So your ancestors originated from Africans, rather than from Native Amerindians? Do you have any European colonial ancestry?

mulattoes are predominantly European in brazil, and black people have a lot of European blood

[♥ Lily ♥]

mulattoes are predominantly European in brazil, and black people have a lot of European blood

In which case you descend from colonists. So how can you complain about The Falkland Islands being colonised by the British - when you also stem from colonists? What would you think if Native Amerindians were to say to you that have no right to live in Brazil? :icon_ask: What if they were to say you must speak in a Native American language rather than in Portuguese? :icon_ask:

(Btw, when I stated 'stop speaking gibberish' in response to your 'las malvinas son argentinas' comment, (I'm tired of hearing Argentines say that to us,) I wasn't referring to your language as 'gibberish', but to the fact that you're stating the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina... which is gibberish/nonsense.)

[lisarb]

In which case you descend from colonists. So how can you complain about The Falkland Islands being colonised by the British - when you also stem from colonists?

I have native blood from my great-grandparents.

[lisarb]

In which case you descend from colonists. So how can you complain about The Falkland Islands being colonised by the British - when you also stem from colonists? What would you think if Native Amerindians were to say to you that have no right to live in Brazil? :icon_ask: What if they were to say you must speak in a Native American language rather than in Portuguese? :icon_ask:

(Btw, when I stated 'stop speaking gibberish' in response to your 'las malvinas son argentinas' comment (I'm tired of hearing Argentines say that,) I wasn't referring to your language as 'gibberish', but the fact you're stating that the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina is gibberish/nonsense.)

Brazil is a European creation

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

UK and this is not even debatable.
Spain refuted to reach nuclear weapons.
Nothing else to add.

Omg... this is a watershed moment... CV not being delusional...

Although I don't know what he means by "Spain refuted to reach nuclear weapons."

The UK has a larger military and far more members that have seen actual combat. The latter is very important.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Brazil is a European creation

So are The Falklands.

[♥ Lily ♥]

I have native blood from my great-grandparents.

And European colonial blood too. :) You also descend from colonists. Why's it ok for your colonial ancestors to colonise other peoples land, but you say it's not ok for British people to colonise lands? It's double standards. I do feel a bit guilty sometimes about the way British people took over other peoples lands in history and took their resources... when I'm thinking with my emotions.... but when I'm thinking without letting my emotions cloud my thoughts, then I have to be realistic about the survival-of-the-fittest and the competitive nature of the world.

[Joso]

So are The Falklands.

Th Falklands/Malvinas should be dividided

[lisarb]

And European colonial blood too. :) You also descend from colonists.

famuos british brazilian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_William_Miller

[lisarb]

So are The Falklands.

territory invaded by British

[♥ Lily ♥]

territory invaded by British

Brazilian territory was also invaded by colonists. The land originally belonged to Native Amerindians. Do you think the country should be divided between the European colonists and the Native Americans?

Maybe the Falkland Islanders who stem from British colonists will leave the Falkland Islands - when all the people who stem from Spanish and other European colonists leave Brazil and Argentina, etc.

How's that for a fair deal?

[Dragoon]

This comparison is ridiculous. UK has a clear advantage. Nothing to do with preference.

UK has more troops, higher military spending, higher economy, more helis, more afvs, more mlrs, more subs, more destroyers, and nukes.

[lisarb]

Brazilian territory was also invaded by colonists. The land originally belonged to Native Amerindians. Do you think the country should be divided between the European colonists and the Native Americans?

Maybe the Falkland Islanders who stem from British colonists will leave the Falkland Islands - when all the people who stem from Spanish and other European colonists leave Brazil and Argentina, etc.

How's that for a fair deal?

brazil are portuguese colony

[♥ Lily ♥]

brazil are portuguese colony

Sim, that's why I stated Spanish and other European colonists to refer to the Latin American nations which were colonised by Europeans (mostly Spanish and Portuguese colonists.)

So do you think that's a fair deal? The Falkland Islanders will leave the Falklands - once you leave Brazil... along with all the people living there today who have colonial ancestry.

You're so against colonisation.... so leave Brazil and give the land back to the Natives.

[lisarb]

Sim, that's why I stated Spanish and other European colonists to refer to the Latin American nations which were colonised by Europeans (mostly Spanish and Portuguese colonists.)

So do you think that's a fair deal? The Falkland Islanders will leave the Falklands - once you leave Brazil... along with all the people living there today who have colonial ancestry.

You're so against colonisation.... so leave Brazil and give the land back to the Natives.

natives are 0,5% brazilian population

[♥ Lily ♥]

natives are 0,5% brazilian population

Well even if there's no Natives left to give the land and resources back to... if you feel so strongly against colonisation, then leave Brazil.

[lisarb]

Well even if there's no Natives left to give the land and resources back to... if you feel so strongly against colonisation, then leave Brazil.

most brazilians tribes are extinct

[Selurong]

You were a colony just a few decades ago. Since the Normans invaded England* (not Britain), the UK has become a global superpower.

Again you're being disingenuous, flip. You brought up debt. Ireland has stacks of it. Therefore, by your logic, they don't count. Try again.

Ok bro, I admit Britain is superior. I hope you have fun drilling and broadcasting your superiority to poverty stricken, war-torn third worlders such as me. Such gentlemanly behavior.

[Longbowman]

Ok bro, I admit Britain is superior. I hope you have fun drilling and broadcasting your superiority to poverty stricken, war-torn third worlders such as me. Such gentlemanly behavior.

You really can't claim the high ground d00d. You started it.

[Selurong]

You really can't claim the high ground d00d. You started it.

Ok, you have a point.

[Mr. Anybody]

And European colonial blood too. :) You also descend from colonists. Why's it ok for your colonial ancestors to colonise other peoples land, but you say it's not ok for British people to colonise lands? It's double standards. I do feel a bit guilty sometimes about the way British people took over other peoples lands in history and took their resources... when I'm thinking with my emotions.... but when I'm thinking without letting my emotions cloud my thoughts, then I have to be realistic about the survival-of-the-fittest and the competitive nature of the world.

you find the right to invade the land of others and to commit genocide to the locals and steal the resources of the locals?
You see these as a necessity of survival?

[Mr. Anybody]

And European colonial blood too. :) You also descend from colonists. Why's it ok for your colonial ancestors to colonise other peoples land, but you say it's not ok for British people to colonise lands? It's double standards. I do feel a bit guilty sometimes about the way British people took over other peoples lands in history and took their resources... when I'm thinking with my emotions.... but when I'm thinking without letting my emotions cloud my thoughts, then I have to be realistic about the survival-of-the-fittest and the competitive nature of the world.

Sometimes I think all the Germans are born with antisocial personality disorder.

[♥ Lily ♥]

you find the right to invade the land of others and to commit genocide to the locals and steal the resources of the locals?
You see these as a necessity of survival?


Sometimes I think all the Germans are born with antisocial personality disorder.

I'm not German;- I'm English (with a little bit of Western Irish and Welsh ancestry) and my ancestors never left this island to colonise any other land.

British expats weren't the only Europeans to colonise other nations.

Surely that question should be directed at the descendents of European colonists in certain Latin American nations.

A Brazilian poster said on this thread that the Natives are virtually extinct in his nation.

I'm not a Spanish or Portuguese colonist of Brazil or Argentina;- I live on my own native island in Europe. I never took any land from Native Amerindian people in Latin American nations.

So why don't you ask Brazilian or Argentine colonists that question - instead of aiming your venom at me.

[Mr. Anybody]

And European colonial blood too. :) You also descend from colonists. Why's it ok for your colonial ancestors to colonise other peoples land, but you say it's not ok for British people to colonise lands? It's double standards. I do feel a bit guilty sometimes about the way British people took over other peoples lands in history and took their resources... when I'm thinking with my emotions.... but when I'm thinking without letting my emotions cloud my thoughts, then I have to be realistic about the survival-of-the-fittest and the competitive nature of the world.

Excuse me, but what are you doing on an island thousands of miles from your home?

[Mr. Anybody]

I'm English (with a little bit of Western Irish and Welsh ancestry) and my ancestors never left this island to colonise any other land.

Surely that question should be directed at the descendents of European colonists in certain Latin American nations.

A Brazilian poster said on this thread that the Natives are virtually extinct in his nation.

I'm not a colonist of Brazil or Argentina;- I live on my own native island in Europe. I never took any land from Native Amerindian people in Latin American nations.

So why don't you ask Brazilian or Argentine colonists that question - instead of aiming your venom at me.

just comic.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Excuse me, but what are you doing on an island thousands of miles from your home?

Excuse me, but my home is England... and that's where I live, you moron.

Where do you live? Europe? Or in some colonised nation? :rolleyes:

[♥ Lily ♥]

just comic.

*comical.

Yeah, it's comical that you can call people who live in our European nations as 'colonists', yet you don't even have the guts to address real colonists living in Latino nations, but instead take your venom out on British people living in Great Britain.

I have nothing against colonialism as it's just nature... but what I don't like is the double standards and hypocrisy at play here.... of you saying it's ok for the Spanish and Portuguese to colonise nations like Argentina and Brazil, etc.... but yet you say it's not ok for British expats to colonise other nations. :rolleyes:

[♥ Lily ♥]

Excuse me, but what are you doing on an island thousands of miles from your home?

What are Spanish speaking colonists doing living thousands of miles from Spain in Latino nations?!

[Lugh]

UK of course.

[Mr. Anybody]

What are Spanish speaking colonists doing living thousands of miles from Spain in Latino nations?!

The same goes for them.

[Mr. Anybody]

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Can you also speak without insult and profanity?As you're aware, I'm very good and polite.

Or did some things hurt?maybe.

ı think you understand very well what I mean by the beginning.But you act like you don't understand.

[Mr. Anybody]

*comical.


I have nothing against colonialism as it's just nature... but what I don't like is the double standards and hypocrisy at play here.... of you saying it's ok for the Spanish and Portuguese to colonise nations like Argentina and Brazil, etc.... but yet you say it's not ok for British expats to colonise other nations. :rolleyes:

what?ı never saıd that.show,prove ıt?????

[♥ Lily ♥]

Can you also speak without insult and profanity?As you're aware, I'm very good and polite.

Or did some things hurt?maybe.

ı think you understand very well what I mean by the beginning.But you act like you don't understand.

Where's the profanity?! :confused:

If you're 'polite' and 'good', then you'd have the decency to apologise for accusing me of living 'thousands of miles from my nation' and for falsely accusing me of committing genocide, etc.

I haven't personally killed anyone. 'Oh but your colonial ancestors did this and that... your ancestors....'

Do you know my ancestors personally or something?! I'm sure they've never murdered anyone. So chillout.


ı think you understand very well what I mean by the beginning.

:confused: Could you rephrase that.


But you act like you don't understand.

Do you understand where England is on a map? I live in my own nation.

[♥ Lily ♥]

what?ı never saıd that.show,prove ıt?????

You're condemning Falkland Islanders as people living thousands of miles from Great Britain... but why aren't you posting angry posts to the Argentine and Brazilian posters on this thread who descend from colonists?

Where's your animosity towards them if you're so against colonisation? It's very selective animosity.

If you want to have a go at British colonists, then also have a go at the Spanish and Portuguese colonists and all the other European colonists too... instead of just singling-out the British colonists.

I don't live in The Falklands, nor in any colonised Latin American nation btw;- I live in England, Europe.

[Mr. Anybody]

You're condemning Falkland Islanders as people living thousands of miles from Great Britain... but why aren't you posting angry posts to the Argentine and Brazilian posters on this thread who descend from colonists?

Where's your animosity towards them if you're so against colonisation? It's very selective animosity.

If you want to have a go at British colonists, then also have a go at the Spanish and Portuguese colonists and all the other European colonists too... instead of just singling-out the British colonists.

I don't live in The Falklands, nor in any colonised Latin American nation btw;- I live in England, Europe.


I said in the previous message that what I said was of interest to them.And I remember once again that I have repeatedly expressed the right to full independence of the Basque Country and Catalonia.

and you picked my words,lady.

[brennus dux gallorum]

UK has one of the strongest armies in the world, but not that strong to invade Spain or most of European countries and win

[Ruggery]

UK has one of the strongest armies in the world, but not that strong to invade Spain or most of European countries and win

It is not necessary to invade only nuclear bombs, or if you do not ask my friend williamA. ;)

[Mr. Anybody]

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it just drew attention to the likeness of colonialism to the survival efforts in nature.I asked you a simple question about it.And in general, I said an idea about the Germanic tribes(Figuratively)

You deflected the subject.I just wanted to emphasize your words about relieving your conscience.

All of our ancestors took the places where we live by shedding blood (p.s:I am the grandson of one of the most barbarian nations).of course.exactly.It's a little weird just to compare it to the struggle for survival in nature. You can survive all over the world(inuits,siberians,yakutsk,far north,equatoral countrıes,still alive?).We don't need "oil...".

[Mr. Anybody]

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Anyway, I'm closing the subject, and I suggest that you discuss the level with others and not use words like "moron".

Now I see a rude Scottish peasant rather than a British lady.

[Mr. Anybody]

Excuse me, but my home is England... and that's where I live, you moron.

:)

[♥ Lily ♥]

Anyway, I'm closing the subject, and I suggest that you discuss the level with others and not use words like "moron".

Now I see a rude Scottish peasant rather than a British lady.

If you make such moronic comments blaming me for genocide, or asking me why I live thousands of miles from my home (when my posts and profile info clearly states that I live in the UK,) then that makes you an idiot/moron.

Scottish people aren't 'peasants'. How rude.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Sometimes I think all the Germans are born with antisocial personality disorder.

What? :confused:

[♥ Lily ♥]

Excuse me, but what are you doing on an island thousands of miles from your home?

...

[Mr. Anybody]

If you make such moronic comments blaming me for genocide, or asking me why I live thousands of miles from my home (when my posts and profile info clearly states that I live in the UK,) then that makes you an idiot/moron.

Scottish people aren't 'peasants'. How rude.

scottish people aren't peasants..ı like them really good peoples.but You're talking like a rude Scottish peasant.

[Teutone]

UK ofc by far the strongest and most capable army in Europe.

[♥ Lily ♥]

scottish people aren't peasants..ı like them really good peoples.but You're talking like a rude Scottish peasant.

No I don't because I don't have any Scottish accent when I talk, and secondly, I haven't used any Scottish regional dialects or lingo in my writing. You clearly don't know how Scottish people talk. :rolleyes:

You need to learn to put a capital S in 'Scottish', 'I', etc, as it looks rather peasant like to not be able to construct even basic English sentences.

(Make up your mind... one minute you're claiming I'm living thousands of miles from my home in The Falklands.... the next minute you're claiming I'm Scottish.... the next minute you're claiming I'm German.... :rolleyes:)

You say Scottish people are 'peasants' and stated that all Germans are born with 'antisocial personality disorder'... pff.

[Ülev]

Andorra

[Mr. Anybody]

What? :confused:

You keep picking.

[Mr. Anybody]

No I don't because I don't have any Scottish accent when I talk, and secondly, I haven't used any Scottish regional dialects or lingo in my writing. You clearly don't know how Scottish people talk. :rolleyes:

You need to learn to put a capital S in 'Scottish', 'I', etc, as it looks rather peasant like to not be able to construct even basic English sentences.

(Make up your mind... one minute you're claiming I'm living thousands of miles from my home in The Falklands.... the next minute you're claiming I'm Scottish.... the next minute you're claiming I'm German.... :rolleyes:)

You say Scottish people are 'peasants' and state that all Germans are born with 'antisocial personality disorder'... pff.

I don't think you really understands me.You think I'm really talking about you in my posts?

[Teutone]

You keep picking.

Why you talk so much?

In the UK or Germany you would clean our toilets.

Accept your inferior role.

[Mr. Anybody]

...

If you don't mind, will you read all our conversations from the beginning?

[Marinus]

Why you talk so much?

In the UK or Germany you would clean our toilets.

Accept your inferior role.

:lol:

[Ruggery]

UK ofc by far the strongest and most capable army in Europe.

The United Kingdom and France are the 2 strongest armies in Europe, in addition to being the only Europeans who are allowed to make and carry nuclear weapons.

[Mr. Anybody]

Why you talk so much?

In the UK or Germany you would clean our toilets.

Accept your inferior role.

All right,go ahead and masturbate looking at Amon Leopolds Göth's picture.
(and ı never would clean our toilets,sure, you remember me well from the Second World War ;) )

[Teutone]

The United Kingdom and France are the 2 strongest armies in Europe, in addition to being the only Europeans who are allowed to make and carry nuclear weapons.

without the nuclear arsenal they still would be the strongest.

my list of the best european armies

1. UK
2. France
3. Italy
4. Spain
5.Germany

[Mr. Anybody]

without the nuclear arsenal they still would be the strongest.

my list of the best european armies

1. UK
2. France
3. Italy
4. Spain
5.Germany

wake up.morning

[Teutone]

wake up.morning

Are you mentally retarded?

Educate yourself about the military budget and the weapon systems of those nations.

Why I am even reply to you? Your 60 caucasus IQ cannot even understand simple math.

[Mr. Anybody]

Are you mentally retarded?

Educate yourself about the military budget and the weapon systems of those nations.

Why I am even reply to you? Your 60 caucasus IQ cannot even understand simple math.

ok math genius.are you happy?your mastrbt. finished?go to church and pray to god "thanks to created as german", almighty:picard2:

[Teutone]

I will thank him for all Germanics he created, from Brits to Norwegians.

[Kamal900]

UK obviously.

[Ruggery]

I will thank him for all Germanicd he created, from Brits to Norwegians.

Germanic Union.

[Ruggery]

without the nuclear arsenal they still would be the strongest.

my list of the best european armies

1. UK
2. France
3. Italy
4. Spain
5.Germany

None of these countries currently has the maximum military potential they once had.

[Teutone]

None of these countries currently has the maximum military potential they once had.

True, when it comes to potential

UK,France and Germany could do way better

[Teutone]

Germanic Union.

Not entirely, I simply respect all great nations.

I respect France, Korea, Japan, Spain and Italy too

[Cristiano viejo]

fue un empate
No, no fue un empate. Vosotros empezasteis la guerra y vosotros pedisteis la paz.

La guerra comenzó con victorias inglesas como la de Cádiz en 1587, y la pérdida de la Armada Invencible en 1588, pero diversas victorias españolas como la de la Contraarmada en 1589, así como la enorme mejora en la escolta de las flotas de Indias y la rápida recuperación de España ante las pérdidas, acabaron por debilitar definitivamente a Inglaterra y desembocaron en la firma de un tratado de paz favorable a España en Londres en 1604.

England asked for the peace and the result of the Treaty of London was much more favourable for Spain than for England.
According the Treaty of London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_London_(1604),
England got Spain refused to intervene in religious affairs in England but

1) England renounced lend any help to the Netherlands.
2) opened up the English Channel to the Spanish shipping.
3) forbade its subjects to carry goods from Spain to the Netherlands or vice versa.
4) promised to suspend the activities of the English pirates in the Atlantic Ocean.

empate my ass.


fue un empate
¿Estás de broma? España aplastó a Inglaterra en esa guerra.


Tras estas derrotas, Inglaterra modificaría su participación con la Guerra de los Treinta Años, mediante la negociación de un tratado de paz con Francia en 1629. A partir de entonces las expediciones, bajo el mando del duque de Hamilton y Lord Craven, se centraron en Alemania para apoyar a los miles de soldados escoceses que ya servían a la corona sueca en el conflicto. Las levas de Hamilton aumentaron, a pesar del fin de la guerra de los Estuardo contra España.

En 1630, Felipe IV de España y Carlos I de Inglaterra firmaron el Tratado de Madrid, con lo que la guerra terminó, habiendo demostrado ser un costoso fracaso para Inglaterra y Escocia, y una distracción de menor importancia para españoles y franceses, que siguieron ocupados en las guerras europeas.

En Inglaterra, los costos de la guerra y la mala gestión se añaden a las disputas entre la monarquía y el Parlamento antes de la Guerra Civil inglesa de la década de 1640.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_anglo-espa%C3%B1ola_(1625-1630)#Consecuencias


vaya no puedes usar esto como ejemplo mientras diciendo que trafalgar no cuenta porque fuisteis el minoritario de las tropas involucradas :rolleyes:
Sí puedo. Trafalgar fue un desastre español, a pesar de que el grueso de la armada era francesa, y de que Napoleón culpó íntegramente a Villeneuve de la derrota.

A pesar de ser un completo fracaso no es comparable con la campaña española de nuestro General Bernardo de Gálvez contra los británicos en la guerra de Independencia americana en absoluto, donde hubo varias batallas directas entre españoles y británicos, y donde la ayuda económica, logística y militar española fue clave.

Gálvez aided the American Thirteen Colonies in their quest for independence and led Spanish forces against Britain in the Revolutionary War, defeating the British at the Siege of Pensacola (1781) and conquering West Florida. Following Gálvez's successful campaign the whole of Florida was ceded to Spain in the Treaty of Paris.

On December 16, 2014, the United States Congress conferred honorary citizenship on Gálvez, citing him as a "hero of the Revolutionary War who risked his life for the freedom of the United States people and provided supplies, intelligence, and strong military support to the war effort."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardo_de_G%C3%A1lvez



para ti:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toma_de_Gibraltar_(1704)
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitio_de_Gibraltar_(1727)
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitio_de_Gibraltar_(1779-1783)

Eso son simples batallas, no guerras.
Los británicos sois famosos por vuestra propaganda y mentiras. Habéis hecho de vuestra derrota en la guerra de 1604 una victoria propagandística gracias al capítulo de la Armada española. Enhorabuena.

[Longbowman]

No, no fue un empate. Vosotros empezasteis la guerra

pero estamos hablando de la guerra


y vosotros pedisteis la paz.

y no de derrotas politicas


Sí puedo. Trafalgar fue un desastre español, a pesar de que el grueso de la armada era francesa, y de que Napoleón culpó íntegramente a Villeneuve de la derrota.

aquí parece que estes de acuerdo conmigo en que crees que trafalgar cuenta. si trafalgar cuenta, puedes usar la traición americana como ejemplo pero obviamente erais un miembro muy junior en la alianza de países que ayudaron las colonias. una escaramuza pequeña entre tropas británicas y castellanas no puede ser contada como independiente de la guerra en general. trafalgar también fue una batalla en una guerra mundial, en el que llegamos a ser vuestros conquistadores y salvadores.



Eso son simples batallas, no guerras.
Los británicos sois famosos por vuestra propaganda y mentiras. Habéis hecho de vuestra derrota en la guerra de 1604 una victoria propagandística gracias al capítulo de la Armada española. Enhorabuena.

batallas en guerras enormes que perdisteis.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_de_la_Cu%C3%A1druple_Alianza
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_de_Sucesi%C3%B3n_espa%C3%B1ola
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_anglo-espa%C3%B1ola_(1655-1660)
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_de_los_Siete_A%C3%B1os (parte pertinente: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_anglo-espa%C3%B1ola_(1761-1763))
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primera_Guerra_Carlista

y mas obviamente

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_anglo-espa%C3%B1ola_(1796-1802)

[Cristiano viejo]

pero estamos hablando de la guerra y no de derrotas politicas
Las derrotas políticas vienen precedidas de derrotas militares. Inglaterra no habría sido derrota políticamente si no hubiera sido derrotada militármente primero.


aquí parece que estes de acuerdo conmigo en que crees que trafalgar cuenta. si trafalgar cuenta, puedes usar la traición americana como ejemplo pero obviamente erais un miembro muy junior en la alianza de países que ayudaron las colonias. una escaramuza pequeña entre tropas británicas y castellanas no puede ser contada como independiente de la guerra en general.
Ya he posteado lo importantísima que fue la participación española para los americanos y su independencia, y cómo ellos mismos lo ven así y ensalzan la figura de nuestro máximo General. No es mi problema si tú intentas minimizar los hechos.


trafalgar también fue una batalla en una guerra mundial, en el que llegamos a ser vuestros conquistadores y salvadores.
Vosotros no conquistasteis nada, ni salvasteis a nadie.


batallas en guerras enormes que perdisteis.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_de_la_Cu%C3%A1druple_Alianza
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_de_Sucesi%C3%B3n_espa%C3%B1ola
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_anglo-espa%C3%B1ola_(1655-1660)
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_de_los_Siete_A%C3%B1os (parte pertinente: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_anglo-espa%C3%B1ola_(1761-1763))
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primera_Guerra_Carlista
¿Cómo puedes poner de ejemplo la Guerra Carlista, o la Guerra de Sucesión española, donde luchaban españoles contra españoles?


y mas obviamente

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_anglo-espa%C3%B1ola_(1796-1802)
¡No me hagas reir!


Aunque muchos de los choques en los que participó España terminaron en victorias para esta, la guerra anglo-española la desgastó mucho en los aspectos militar, político y económico.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_anglo-espa%C3%B1ola_(1796-1802)

Por cierto, en la Guerra de la Cuádruple Alianza (qué huevos teníamos los españoles, nosotros contra todos, como debe ser :D):

4350 españoles muertos y heridos​ 11 250 austríacos muertos y heridos
6000 británicos muertos y heridos
3000 franceses muertos y heridos
2250 saboyanos muertos y heridos
1500 holandeses muertos y heridos

[Longbowman]

Las derrotas políticas vienen precedidas de derrotas militares. Inglaterra no habría sido derrota políticamente si no hubiera sido derrotada militármente primero.

No es necesariamente verdad, Espana era el gran poder de Europa a la vez, podia usar su fuerza para esforzar un resultado mas deseado.


Ya he posteado lo importantísima que fue la participación española para los americanos y su independencia, y cómo ellos mismos lo ven así y ensalzan la figura de nuestro máximo General. No es mi problema si tú intentas minimizar los hechos.

1) con o senza los espanoles los eeuu habrian ganado
2) y la participacion espanola en trafalgar y otras batallas no cuenta?


Vosotros no conquistasteis nada, ni salvasteis a nadie.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_de_la_Independencia_Espa%C3%B1ola

vaya se consideras importante la participacion espanola en la traicion estadounidense, debes considerar como decisivia la participacion britanica en la lucha iberica


¿Cómo puedes poner de ejemplo la Guerra Carlista, o la Guerra de Sucesión española, donde luchaban españoles contra españoles?

elegimos un lado, lo apoyamos, y gano debido al apoyo que ofrecimos. tropas britanicas derrotaron tropas espanolas, como dirias tu.

y los otros ejemplos que di?

[Cristiano viejo]

No es necesariamente verdad, Espana era el gran poder de Europa a la vez, podia usar su fuerza para esforzar un resultado mas deseado.
En este caso sí es necesariamente cierto. España derrotó militármente a Inglaterra hasta tal punto que Ingletarra tuvo que suplicar la paz.

La derrota de la Armada Española (básicamente por las tormentas) fue un juego de niños comparado con la derrota de la Armada Inglesa al año siguiente, esta vez debido a las armas y no al mal tiempo. Pero la propaganda inglesa ha conseguido que sólo se conozca el caso de la primera. Gran logro.


1) con o senza los espanoles los eeuu habrian ganado
Eso nunca lo sabremos.


2) y la participacion espanola en trafalgar y otras batallas no cuenta?
Sí, sí cuentan. Yo nunca he negado que Inglaterra también derrotara a España en alguna guerra. Siempre con aliados pero bueno :rolleyes:



https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_de_la_Independencia_Espa%C3%B1ola
Perdona, ¿qué se supone que conquistasteis exactamente? :rolleyes:


vaya se consideras importante la participacion espanola en la traicion estadounidense, debes considerar como decisivia la participacion britanica en la lucha iberica
No la encuentro decisiva desde que la primera derrota que sufrió un ejército napoleónico en esa guerra fue en Bailén, y obviamente allí nada tuvieron que ver los ingleses.


elegimos un lado, lo apoyamos, y gano debido al apoyo que ofrecimos. tropas britanicas derrotaron tropas espanolas, como dirias tu.
Fue más determinante el apoyo austríaco.


y los otros ejemplos que di?
Lo posteé arriba:

Por cierto, en la Guerra de la Cuádruple Alianza (qué huevos teníamos los españoles, nosotros contra todos, como debe ser ):

4350 españoles muertos y heridos​ 11 250 austríacos muertos y heridos
6000 británicos muertos y heridos
3000 franceses muertos y heridos
2250 saboyanos muertos y heridos
1500 holandeses muertos y heridos

qué grandes éramos los españoles, joder.

[Longbowman]

En este caso sí es necesariamente cierto. España derrotó militármente a Inglaterra hasta tal punto que Ingletarra tuvo que suplicar la paz.

La derrota de la Armada Española (básicamente por las tormentas) fue un juego de niños comparado con la derrota de la Armada Inglesa al año siguiente, esta vez debido a las armas y no al mal tiempo. Pero la propaganda inglesa ha conseguido que sólo se conozca el caso de la primera. Gran logro.

tormentas no, barcos de fuego si. y la armada inglesa fue derrotada pero antes de la armada espanola fue lanzada Sir Francis Drake quemo la primera armada espanola en su puerto. Eso no quieres mencionar, hm?


Eso nunca lo sabremos.

:lol:


Perdona, ¿qué se supone que conquistasteis exactamente? :rolleyes:

partes grandisimas de vuestro pais


No la encuentro decisiva desde que la primera derrota que sufrió un ejército napoleónico en esa guerra fue en Bailén, y obviamente allí nada tuvieron que ver los ingleses.

1) fuerzas napoleonicas invadieron el pais en su totalidad
2) tropas britanicas se aterrizaron (urra!)
3) los frances perdieron y si, debido al hecho que nosotros habiamos matado y inmovilizado tantos soldados napoleonicos vosotros espanoles fuisteis capaces de ganas un par de batallas pero estas de broma si piensas que los britanicos no fueron imprescindibles alli


Fue más determinante el apoyo austríaco.

no


Lo posteé arriba:

Por cierto, en la Guerra de la Cuádruple Alianza (qué huevos teníamos los españoles, nosotros contra todos, como debe ser ):

4350 españoles muertos y heridos​ 11 250 austríacos muertos y heridos
6000 británicos muertos y heridos
3000 franceses muertos y heridos
2250 saboyanos muertos y heridos
1500 holandeses muertos y heridos

qué grandes éramos los españoles, joder.

explica: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_de_Sucesi%C3%B3n_espa%C3%B1ola
explica: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_anglo-espa%C3%B1ola_(1761-1763)
explica: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_anglo-espa%C3%B1ola_(1655-1660)

[bensonhedge]

100% Amerindian? No colonial European ancestry?

Colonisation is a part of Darwinian nature. It's a competitive world in nature. The strong survive in nature and the weak perish. C'est la vie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5YaihAtnC4

Robbing and stealing wealth is not part of Darwinian nature.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7CW7S0zxv4&t=2s

[Dragoon]

without the nuclear arsenal they still would be the strongest.

my list of the best european armies

1. UK
2. France
3. Italy
4. Spain
5.Germany

Russia
France/UK
Italy
then it varies between: Spain, Germany, Poland, Greece, Ukraine.

[Cristiano viejo]

tormentas no, barcos de fuego si.
Macho, sé serio si quieres conversar de historia conmigo. Los barcos de fuego, ¿qué quemaron, seis barcos españoles, de los ciento treinta que eran?
¡Por supuesto que fueron las tormentas las que derrotaron a España!


y la armada inglesa fue derrotada pero antes de la armada espanola fue lanzada Sir Francis Drake quemo la primera armada espanola en su puerto. Eso no quieres mencionar, hm?
¿Te refieres al ataque en La Coruña? joder, pero si fue un desastre total para Inglaterra y os derrotó una mujer :lol:


:lol:
¿Tan débil era Gran Bretaña? :heh:


partes grandisimas de vuestro pais
No es cierto, no conquistateis nada. Ni siquiera era parte de vuestro plan. La única razón por la que apoyasteis a España fue para perjudicar a Napoleón.


1) fuerzas napoleonicas invadieron el pais en su totalidad
2) tropas britanicas se aterrizaron (urra!)
3) los frances perdieron y si, debido al hecho que nosotros habiamos matado y inmovilizado tantos soldados napoleonicos vosotros espanoles fuisteis capaces de ganas un par de batallas pero estas de broma si piensas que los britanicos no fueron imprescindibles alli
Hasta Napoleón dijo en sus memorias que la batalla de Bailén fue el principio de su fin.
Un par de batallas, dice...


no
Sí.



explica: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_de_Sucesi%C3%B3n_espa%C3%B1ola
¿Qué hay que explicar? Inglaterra apoyó el bando perdedor, los austracistas.


explica: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_anglo-espa%C3%B1ola_(1761-1763)
Una mini-guerra donde España se vio forzada a apoyar a Francia debido al Pacto de Familia.


explica: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_anglo-espa%C3%B1ola_(1655-1660)
Victoria inglesa, sin más.

[Longbowman]

Macho, sé serio si quieres conversar de historia conmigo. Los barcos de fuego, ¿qué quemaron, seis barcos españoles, de los ciento treinta que eran?
¡Por supuesto que fueron las tormentas las que derrotaron a España!

No destruyeron muchos naves. Pero dispersaron la flota y termino alli la amenaza espanola.


¿Te refieres al ataque en La Coruña? joder, pero si fue un desastre total para Inglaterra y os derrotó una mujer :lol:

No

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedici%C3%B3n_de_Drake_de_1587


No es cierto, no conquistateis nada. Ni siquiera era parte de vuestro plan. La única razón por la que apoyasteis a España fue para perjudicar a Napoleón.

obviamente esa era la razon que os apoyamos pero el hecho es que os apoyamos, y conquistamos, no para vosotros, pero lo hicimos y te ayudo.


Hasta Napoleón dijo en sus memorias que la batalla de Bailén fue el principio de su fin.
Un par de batallas, dice...

maje, habiamos ya contribuido miles de soldados, habiamos ya ganado muchas batallas, luchasteis contra una fuerza muy debil. y a eso punto se dio cuenta que habia perdido. Pero de hecho habia ya sido derrotado, la cosa es que no lo sabia.


Sí.

No.


¿Qué hay que explicar? Inglaterra apoyó el bando perdedor, los austracistas.

...y ganamos canada, menorca, gibraltar...


Una mini-guerra donde España se vio forzada a apoyar a Francia debido al Pacto de Familia.

y perdio


Victoria inglesa, sin más.

:thumb001:

[Cristiano viejo]

No destruyeron muchos naves. Pero dispersaron la flota y termino alli la amenaza espanola.
La flota fue dispersada por las tormentas y las tormentas fueron las que terminaron la amenaza española.


No

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedici%C3%B3n_de_Drake_de_1587
¿Por qué te limitas a postear simples batallas? la guerra la ganó España, y Drake murió como un perro fracasando en Iberia y en América :noidea:


obviamente esa era la razon que os apoyamos pero el hecho es que os apoyamos, y conquistamos, no para vosotros, pero lo hicimos y te ayudo.
Creo que no entiendes el significado de conquistar :rolleyes:


maje, habiamos ya contribuido miles de soldados, habiamos ya ganado muchas batallas, luchasteis contra una fuerza muy debil. y a eso punto se dio cuenta que habia perdido. Pero de hecho habia ya sido derrotado, la cosa es que no lo sabia.
lol, deja de inventarte cosas


La batalla de Bailén se libró durante la Guerra de la Independencia Española y supuso la primera derrota en campo abierto de la historia del ejército napoleónico.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalla_de_Bail%C3%A9n



No.
Sí.


...y ganamos canada, menorca, gibraltar...
Canadá no tiene nada que ver con España, y Menorca la acabasteis perdiendo igualmente.


y perdio
Unas veces se gana, y otras poquitas se pierde.