Congolese Rice
09-20-2018, 11:21 AM
Sup yall, i have a question. How legitimate would my Mozambiquan and Guinean/Senegalese ancestry be? On gedmatch 6/10 times i score Mandenka, or Bambaran populations. Usually also Kongo, Fulani, Brong, and Fang.
But i would like to know, is it possible that i have a good chunk of ancestry from Mozambique? And does Senegal seem legitimate for Afro-Caribbean ancestry?
here's what someone said about my mtDNA Haplogroup L1'2'3'4'5'6 that Wegene gave me. Idk if its accurate or not but if it is i have one of the most rare mtDNA haplogroups he said:
Your have the most interesting MTDNA result I have ever seen...if it is what it is.....and it probably is.
1 - Where did you test?
2 - Its not Pygmy....it probably East, Central, or North African....based on the phylogeny of where such a split may have happened.
First lets talk about what it isn't......Its NOT L0....and its NOT just L1.
The Root of Maternal diversity basically has L0. L0 has MAINLY Southern And Eastern representatives in the form of L0d in South Africa. And L0a'b'f'k' in East Africa. L0a'b'f'k is FURTHER split with with L0a'b'f being East African...and L0k having Southern Representatives. I know one East African that is L0a'b'f. A map of that phylogeny can be found Here .
The Lineage YOU carry would be the sister lineage of L0, your lineage sits at the root to everything that is NOT L0.....all the way at the root before any of the other splits had taken place. You can see an image with that phylogeny HERE (L1'6 top right) as well as below:
So your lineage is the ancestral linage in which
-L1 split and became a founding West African lineage (L1b) with the oldest representatives (L1c) in Pygmies.
-L2 split somewhere in Central African and became the most widespread Pan African lineage.
-L3 . L4, L5 and L6 split somewhere in The Horn of Africa.
These successive splits are best represented in this image.
You perhaps (if the resolution is good) still carry that Ancestral linage at the top of the image......from 175-200 thousands years ago. This is very unique.
There may be companies that would give you an further resolve maternal sequence for free.
EDIT : just saw you tested at Wegenes. I have no idea of their mtdna resolution.
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@KingKhalasi - Your East African looks more legit...more than the "noise" level like more typical African Americans on the higher end of the SSA scale like me. I am like 0-0.01% Horner....and I am East African L0a1a with likely post Holocene separation from East Africa.
They didnt tell you L1......they said L1'2'3'4'5'6. Your lineage is the Parent of L1 and all other Sister lineages EQUALLY. If correct it is extremely rare. I can only think an L0* and some pre M1 in older publications that were as interesting. I am not too familiar with other testing companies to know if they can break down when certain components entered your genome. Do you have a chromosome Painting image that you can post?
And now for a few tests, don't look at the percentages in the mixed oracle, just the populations, percentages are not in question atm.
Gedrosia K12:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.6% Norwegian + 27.4% Yoruba @ 12.42
2 72.6% Norwegian + 27.4% Esan @ 12.44
3 75.1% Greek + 24.9% Yoruba @ 16.93
4 75.1% Greek + 24.9% Esan @ 16.93
5 71.3% Russian + 28.7% Yoruba @ 18.93
Ancient Eurasia K6:
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.7% Hungarian + 28.3% Mota @ 1.24
2 67.8% Ukrainian + 32.2% Masai @ 1.61
3 71.4% Hungarian + 28.6% Hadza @ 2.13
4 67.3% Norwegian + 32.7% Masai @ 2.13
5 71.6% Croatian + 28.4% Mota @ 2.26
6 67.4% Scottish + 32.6% Masai @ 2.45
7 71.4% Ukrainian + 28.6% Hadza @ 2.49
8 59% Estonian + 41% Somali @ 2.52
puntDNAL K13 Global:
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.1% German_North + 29.9% Gambian @ 4.25
2 70.9% German_North + 29.1% Mende @ 4.26
3 71.9% Slovak + 28.1% Mende @ 4.26
4 70.6% German_North + 29.4% Mandinka @ 4.31
5 67.6% Slovak + 32.4% African_American @ 4.32
6 73.2% Slovak + 26.8% Esan @ 4.38
7 73.6% Slovak + 26.4% Yoruba @ 4.45
8 71.2% Utahn_European + 28.8% Mende @ 4.47
9 70.5% Utahn_European + 29.5% Gambian @ 4.48
10 71% Utahn_European + 29% Mandinka @ 4.52
EthioHelix K10 + French:
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.5% french + 41.5% fulani @ 4.33
2 60.6% french + 39.4% kaba @ 15.99
3 57.2% french + 42.8% morocco-s @ 16.03
4 63% french + 37% mandenka @ 16.52
5 61.8% french + 38.2% hausa @ 16.57
6 61.8% french + 38.2% igbo @ 16.65
7 63% french + 37% bambaran @ 16.81
8 61% french + 39% bamoun @ 16.97
9 62.7% french + 37.3% yoruba @ 17.05
10 62.8% french + 37.2% brong @ 17.17
11 60.6% french + 39.4% fang @ 17.97
12 60.9% french + 39.1% kongo @ 18.09
13 60.8% french + 39.2% mada @ 18.19
14 64.3% french + 35.7% dogon @ 18.29
Dodecad Africa9:
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70% Tuscan + 30% Hausa @ 5.42
2 70.2% Tuscan + 29.8% Igbo @ 5.63
3 70.5% Tuscan + 29.5% Yoruba @ 5.74
4 71.6% Tuscan + 28.4% Mandenka @ 5.87
5 70.7% Tuscan + 29.3% Brong @ 5.9
6 69.1% Tuscan + 30.9% Bamoun @ 6
7 69.5% Tuscan + 30.5% Kaba @ 6.15
8 68.5% Tuscan + 31.5% Fulani @ 6.52
9 68.9% Tuscan + 31.1% Kongo @ 6.6
10 68.5% Tuscan + 31.5% Fang @ 7.14
11 68.7% North_Italian + 31.3% Hausa @ 7.77
12 68.9% North_Italian + 31.1% Igbo @ 7.83
13 67.7% North_Italian + 32.3% Bamoun @ 8
14 69.2% North_Italian + 30.8% Yoruba @ 8.03
15 69.4% North_Italian + 30.6% Brong @ 8.17
Dodecad World9:
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.1% Belorussian (Behar) + 33.9% Sandawe_He @ 2.55
2 69.4% German (Dodecad) + 30.6% Hadza_He @ 2.56
3 66.4% Polish (Dodecad) + 33.6% Sandawe_He @ 2.74
4 69.5% Dutch (Dodecad) + 30.5% Hadza_He @ 2.8
5 69.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 30.5% Hadza_He @ 2.83
6 65.2% Belorussian (Behar) + 34.8% MKK30 (Dodecad) @ 2.86
7 68.8% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 31.2% Hadza_He @ 2.89
8 68.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 31.8% ASW30 (HapMap3) @ 2.95
9 69.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 30.7% San_He @ 3.06
10 68.7% Irish (Dodecad) + 31.3% Hadza_He @ 3.16
11 69.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 30.9% Hadza_He @ 3.19
12 71.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 28.3% LWK30 (Behar) @ 3.2
13 71.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 28.5% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 3.2
14 71.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 28.7% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 3.21
15 70.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 29.1% ACB30 @ 3.22
16 71.2% German (Dodecad) + 28.8% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 3.24
17 69.2% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 30.8% Hadza_He @ 3.25
18 69.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 30.3% Hadza_He @ 3.25
19 69.2% British (Dodecad) + 30.8% Hadza_He @ 3.25
20 68.6% Orcadian (HGDP) + 31.4% Hadza_He @ 3.25
^ Especially this one gives me ALOT of eastern bantu, Bantu_NE, Hadza, Sandawe, ACB30, Hadza this hadza that etc.
what do yall think?
also once again, dont take the mixed mode oracle percentages seriously, my asian, and north african get thrown with my overal caucasoid percentage. i am 70% european/north african caucasoid combined, which is quite accurate. 54% + 16% = 70%
anyways lemme know guys, i really wanna know haha
But i would like to know, is it possible that i have a good chunk of ancestry from Mozambique? And does Senegal seem legitimate for Afro-Caribbean ancestry?
here's what someone said about my mtDNA Haplogroup L1'2'3'4'5'6 that Wegene gave me. Idk if its accurate or not but if it is i have one of the most rare mtDNA haplogroups he said:
Your have the most interesting MTDNA result I have ever seen...if it is what it is.....and it probably is.
1 - Where did you test?
2 - Its not Pygmy....it probably East, Central, or North African....based on the phylogeny of where such a split may have happened.
First lets talk about what it isn't......Its NOT L0....and its NOT just L1.
The Root of Maternal diversity basically has L0. L0 has MAINLY Southern And Eastern representatives in the form of L0d in South Africa. And L0a'b'f'k' in East Africa. L0a'b'f'k is FURTHER split with with L0a'b'f being East African...and L0k having Southern Representatives. I know one East African that is L0a'b'f. A map of that phylogeny can be found Here .
The Lineage YOU carry would be the sister lineage of L0, your lineage sits at the root to everything that is NOT L0.....all the way at the root before any of the other splits had taken place. You can see an image with that phylogeny HERE (L1'6 top right) as well as below:
So your lineage is the ancestral linage in which
-L1 split and became a founding West African lineage (L1b) with the oldest representatives (L1c) in Pygmies.
-L2 split somewhere in Central African and became the most widespread Pan African lineage.
-L3 . L4, L5 and L6 split somewhere in The Horn of Africa.
These successive splits are best represented in this image.
You perhaps (if the resolution is good) still carry that Ancestral linage at the top of the image......from 175-200 thousands years ago. This is very unique.
There may be companies that would give you an further resolve maternal sequence for free.
EDIT : just saw you tested at Wegenes. I have no idea of their mtdna resolution.
------------
@KingKhalasi - Your East African looks more legit...more than the "noise" level like more typical African Americans on the higher end of the SSA scale like me. I am like 0-0.01% Horner....and I am East African L0a1a with likely post Holocene separation from East Africa.
They didnt tell you L1......they said L1'2'3'4'5'6. Your lineage is the Parent of L1 and all other Sister lineages EQUALLY. If correct it is extremely rare. I can only think an L0* and some pre M1 in older publications that were as interesting. I am not too familiar with other testing companies to know if they can break down when certain components entered your genome. Do you have a chromosome Painting image that you can post?
And now for a few tests, don't look at the percentages in the mixed oracle, just the populations, percentages are not in question atm.
Gedrosia K12:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.6% Norwegian + 27.4% Yoruba @ 12.42
2 72.6% Norwegian + 27.4% Esan @ 12.44
3 75.1% Greek + 24.9% Yoruba @ 16.93
4 75.1% Greek + 24.9% Esan @ 16.93
5 71.3% Russian + 28.7% Yoruba @ 18.93
Ancient Eurasia K6:
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.7% Hungarian + 28.3% Mota @ 1.24
2 67.8% Ukrainian + 32.2% Masai @ 1.61
3 71.4% Hungarian + 28.6% Hadza @ 2.13
4 67.3% Norwegian + 32.7% Masai @ 2.13
5 71.6% Croatian + 28.4% Mota @ 2.26
6 67.4% Scottish + 32.6% Masai @ 2.45
7 71.4% Ukrainian + 28.6% Hadza @ 2.49
8 59% Estonian + 41% Somali @ 2.52
puntDNAL K13 Global:
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.1% German_North + 29.9% Gambian @ 4.25
2 70.9% German_North + 29.1% Mende @ 4.26
3 71.9% Slovak + 28.1% Mende @ 4.26
4 70.6% German_North + 29.4% Mandinka @ 4.31
5 67.6% Slovak + 32.4% African_American @ 4.32
6 73.2% Slovak + 26.8% Esan @ 4.38
7 73.6% Slovak + 26.4% Yoruba @ 4.45
8 71.2% Utahn_European + 28.8% Mende @ 4.47
9 70.5% Utahn_European + 29.5% Gambian @ 4.48
10 71% Utahn_European + 29% Mandinka @ 4.52
EthioHelix K10 + French:
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.5% french + 41.5% fulani @ 4.33
2 60.6% french + 39.4% kaba @ 15.99
3 57.2% french + 42.8% morocco-s @ 16.03
4 63% french + 37% mandenka @ 16.52
5 61.8% french + 38.2% hausa @ 16.57
6 61.8% french + 38.2% igbo @ 16.65
7 63% french + 37% bambaran @ 16.81
8 61% french + 39% bamoun @ 16.97
9 62.7% french + 37.3% yoruba @ 17.05
10 62.8% french + 37.2% brong @ 17.17
11 60.6% french + 39.4% fang @ 17.97
12 60.9% french + 39.1% kongo @ 18.09
13 60.8% french + 39.2% mada @ 18.19
14 64.3% french + 35.7% dogon @ 18.29
Dodecad Africa9:
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70% Tuscan + 30% Hausa @ 5.42
2 70.2% Tuscan + 29.8% Igbo @ 5.63
3 70.5% Tuscan + 29.5% Yoruba @ 5.74
4 71.6% Tuscan + 28.4% Mandenka @ 5.87
5 70.7% Tuscan + 29.3% Brong @ 5.9
6 69.1% Tuscan + 30.9% Bamoun @ 6
7 69.5% Tuscan + 30.5% Kaba @ 6.15
8 68.5% Tuscan + 31.5% Fulani @ 6.52
9 68.9% Tuscan + 31.1% Kongo @ 6.6
10 68.5% Tuscan + 31.5% Fang @ 7.14
11 68.7% North_Italian + 31.3% Hausa @ 7.77
12 68.9% North_Italian + 31.1% Igbo @ 7.83
13 67.7% North_Italian + 32.3% Bamoun @ 8
14 69.2% North_Italian + 30.8% Yoruba @ 8.03
15 69.4% North_Italian + 30.6% Brong @ 8.17
Dodecad World9:
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.1% Belorussian (Behar) + 33.9% Sandawe_He @ 2.55
2 69.4% German (Dodecad) + 30.6% Hadza_He @ 2.56
3 66.4% Polish (Dodecad) + 33.6% Sandawe_He @ 2.74
4 69.5% Dutch (Dodecad) + 30.5% Hadza_He @ 2.8
5 69.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 30.5% Hadza_He @ 2.83
6 65.2% Belorussian (Behar) + 34.8% MKK30 (Dodecad) @ 2.86
7 68.8% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 31.2% Hadza_He @ 2.89
8 68.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 31.8% ASW30 (HapMap3) @ 2.95
9 69.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 30.7% San_He @ 3.06
10 68.7% Irish (Dodecad) + 31.3% Hadza_He @ 3.16
11 69.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 30.9% Hadza_He @ 3.19
12 71.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 28.3% LWK30 (Behar) @ 3.2
13 71.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 28.5% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 3.2
14 71.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 28.7% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 3.21
15 70.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 29.1% ACB30 @ 3.22
16 71.2% German (Dodecad) + 28.8% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 3.24
17 69.2% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 30.8% Hadza_He @ 3.25
18 69.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 30.3% Hadza_He @ 3.25
19 69.2% British (Dodecad) + 30.8% Hadza_He @ 3.25
20 68.6% Orcadian (HGDP) + 31.4% Hadza_He @ 3.25
^ Especially this one gives me ALOT of eastern bantu, Bantu_NE, Hadza, Sandawe, ACB30, Hadza this hadza that etc.
what do yall think?
also once again, dont take the mixed mode oracle percentages seriously, my asian, and north african get thrown with my overal caucasoid percentage. i am 70% european/north african caucasoid combined, which is quite accurate. 54% + 16% = 70%
anyways lemme know guys, i really wanna know haha