Map from 1847: Shape of Poland within its Natural Borders

[Peterski]

The area in the west around Poznań-Gniezno called "Kolebka Polanów" = "Cradle of Poles":

https://i.imgur.com/DeqTurn.jpg

[frankhammer]

It's all yours for the taking... If you have big enough balls :laugh:

[Peterski]

It's all yours for the taking... If you have big enough balls :laugh:

Here is where I found that map:

http://dspace.uni.lodz.pl:8080/xmlui/handle/11089/17060?show=full

PDF download link:

http://cejsh.icm.edu.pl/cejsh/element/bwmeta1.element.hdl_11089_17060/c/2-009_035-Eberhardt.pdf

English Summary:

"After the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was liquidated and disappeared from the map of Europe at the end of the 18th century, and was partitioned by Russia, Prussia, and Austria, Polish activists of the independence movements never consented to the fact and continued to work for the revival of the Polish state. One of the issues pondered about was that of the future boundaries of this state. Initially, the issue was not complicated at all, since it was commonly held that the sole just solution would be the return to the historical boundaries of 1772. In the later period, the awareness arose that this option cannot be realised. This was not only the consequence of the stable and disadvantageous for Poland geopolitical situation in Europe, but also of the ethnic diversification of the territory of the former Commonwealth. That is why various concepts started to appear, concerning the future boundaries of Poland, considering the historical, geopolitical, strategic, and ethnic conditioning. These concepts were primarily the visions of individual scholars or activists, but often they did represent definite ideological and political orientations. The article presents and comments upon some of these designs. Those more original in substantive terms, and containing an interesting cartographic illustration, were selected for presentation. Thusthe article treats the concepts authored by: Oskar Żebrowski, Stanisław Tomaszewski, Aleksander Janowski, Czesław Jankowski, Włodzimierz Wakar, Wiktor Skarga-Dobrowolski, and Józef Jaskólski. These concepts, postulating the shape of boundaries of Poland, differed significantly as to the general territorial reach of the country and the shapes of its boundaries. Some of them were of clear maximalist character, while other ones were more moderate, and so had higher chances of implementation. The two last proposals for the boundaries of Poland, presented in the article, were already the official documents. The first of those two represented the position of the Polish National Committee, which was active in Lausanne in the years 1917–1918. The last concept of the boundary of Poland, shown in the article, was the official stance of the authorities of the newly re-established Polish state, which was presented at the Peace Conference in Paris in 1919. This concept was developed by Roman Dmowski, who headed Polish delegation at this conference. At the end of the article this most important design, prepared for the Versailles conference, is compared to the actual course of boundaries of the Polish state as it re-emerged after the First World War."

[Thorfinn]

Yes, then Poland was an important independent state.

[Peterski]

Yes, then Poland was an important independent state.

Where is the Fatherland of a Pole?
Is it Wielkopolska? Is it Podolia?
Oh no, no, no!
Our Fatherland must be bigger!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TseCA2qdVZ8

[Thorfinn]

Where is the Fatherland of a Pole?
Is it Wielkopolska? Is it Podolia?
Oh no, no, no!
Our Fatherland must be bigger!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TseCA2qdVZ8
Poland is the only white country in the EU that still has a chance to preserve its population. However, when the state joins new territories and nationalities - problems begin. I'm not happy that Russia is a huge Empire.

[Peterski]

I'm not happy that Russia is a huge Empire.

Why not? What about Alaska - do you regret that Russia sold it to the USA?

[Thorfinn]

Why not? What about Alaska - do you regret that Russia sold it to the USA?
Why not, you will understand when you live side by side with different Asians and Caucasians.

We not only owned Alaska, but also California. All gave as hard to control.

[Bobby Martnen]

1933 borders for Poland were the best

[Silver Lining]

1933 borders for Poland were the best

1917 borders

[Peterski]

Poland's 2050 borders are the best (you will see). ;)

[Silver Lining]

Polish men's borders:

https://comps.canstockphoto.com/fat-man-looking-for-the-pool-picture_csp2175301.jpg

Ever expanding.

[Peterski]

1917 borders

In 1917 there was no independent Poland, we declared independence in 1918, not in 1917. :bored:

Nobody in Poland cares about Puppet States created by Delusional Germans (who thought that Poles were not going to go for Posen, West Prussia and Upper Silesia, ethnically and historically Polish Lands). Russians and Austrians also wanted to create similar Puppet Polands.

If Russians won the battle of Tannenberg in 1914, they would have created such Puppet Poland.

In fact this is the border of Poland as it was planned by the Russians in 1914 (Sazanov's Plan):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?245774-Russian-Map-of-Future-Europe-from-1914

https://i.imgur.com/M8nZaiC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/uKlzsaW.png

https://i.imgur.com/kK3qJTe.png

Source: http://rcin.org.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=130&from=pubstats