Classify an Indian woman

[Truth Preacher]

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[Thambi]

IB/GI + slight AA

[Thambi]

Whats diffrence between aa and ib

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different features and skin tone. but also bigger head

[Truth Preacher]

IB/GI + slight AA

What other ethnicities does she pass as well ?

[Thambi]

What other ethnicities does she pass as well ?

pakistan, other regions of northern south asia like nepal and bangladesh.

[Bandesha]

i had a class fellow like her , punjaboid

[Zroota]

Indo-Iranid

[Hadouken]

Indo-Iranid

what is that ?

[Zroota]

what is that ?
*crickets chirp*

[Borealis]

The daily "post the least Indian looking person we can find in order to secretly convince people this is what all Indians look like" thread.

[Hadouken]

*crickets chirp*

wut

nothing iranid about this woman btw. and I dont know wtf indoiranid is supposed to be . there is a bigger chance that she is a light indobrachid or something

I think she is asiatic alpine + some kind of indid

and she looks very south asian no matter how "light" she is

[Joso]

nord indid

[Hadouken]

nord indid

too round faced and brachy for nordindid

[Joso]

too round faced and brachy for nordindid

Now that you mentioned, she reminds me of Mortimer, so, mortimeroid( indo-brachid)

[Borealis]

what do north indids look like

[Hadouken]

Now that you mentioned, she reminds me of Mortimer, so, mortimeroid( indo-brachid)

mortimer is only a little indobrachid influenced . he is mostly alpinized pontid or something with a little indobrachid influence . mortimer doesnt look south asian

this woman as I said seems to be asiatic alpine with some indid influence maybe gracile indid or nord indid I am not sure but she is for sure not just nordindid

[Zroota]

wut

nothing iranid about this woman btw. and I dont know wtf indoiranid is supposed to be . there is a bigger chance that she is a light indobrachid or something

I think she is asiatic alpine + some kind of indid

and she looks very south asian no matter how "light" she is
Just because Indo-Iranid doesn't fit your agenda, that doesn't mean she isn't one. I believe you're just irked that there is a phenotype that links Iranians with Indians. It's kinda obvious.

Who said she doesn't look very south Asian? Indo-Iranids are halfway between the east and south.

P.S. You're not an Iranian. Why do you care about Iranians? Correct me if I'm mis-classifying Kurds. Don't be a security guard for Iranians now bub. -_-

[Hadouken]

what do north indids look like

http://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/berti/east-med-woman.jpg

https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/images/typologia/eickstedt/nord-indid.jpg

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[Hadouken]

Just because Indo-Iranid doesn't fit your agenda, that doesn't mean she isn't one. I believe you're just irked that there is a phenotype that links Iranians with Indians. It's kinda obvious.

Who said she doesn't look very south Asian? Indo-Iranids are halfway between the east and south.

P.S. You're not an Iranian. Why do you care about Iranians? Correct me if I'm mis-classifying Kurds. Don't be a security guard for Iranians now bub. -_-

why do you take it so hard though ? I didnt say anything bad to you xD

I just want to know what indo iranid is since you classify many people like that maybe you can give me information

there is no "link" phenotype between iranians and indians . sometimes iranoafghan can appear in indians but rarely . thats it . maybe indoiranid is nordindid ? in any case the word "iranid" doesnt fit indians

and I have no agenda . it is others who do and I crush them

[Joso]

mortimer is only a little indobrachid influenced . he is mostly alpinized pontid or something with a little indobrachid influence . mortimer doesnt look south asian

this woman as I said seems to be asiatic alpine with some indid influence maybe gracile indid or nord indid I am not sure but she is for sure not just nordindid

Yeah i know Mortimer looks just like a tanned European,

And i just said "indo-brachid" because she is Indian, i don't know if asiatic alpine even exists in India

[Mortimer]

mortimer is only a little indobrachid influenced . he is mostly alpinized pontid or something with a little indobrachid influence . mortimer doesnt look south asian

this woman as I said seems to be asiatic alpine with some indid influence maybe gracile indid or nord indid I am not sure but she is for sure not just nordindid

maybe she looks more southasian then me but at the same time more white too. in one picture her eyes look green/hazel. maybe some southasians are white? i would definitely say she is white.

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[Hadouken]

maybe she looks more southasian then me but at the same time more white too. in one picture her eyes look green/hazel. maybe some southasians are white? i would definitely say she is white.

I dont think "white" is a good term because it is too blurry and often doesnt make sense but I have my own definition of "whiteness" but I wont tell it because it might be controversial and I have no nerves to argue with imbeciles

I dont think she looks necessarily more "white" than you . she is just pretty light for an indian . and yes she is not a typical indian woman IMO from what I have seen but she still has something very south asian in her face at the same time

[Mortimer]

I dont think "white" is a good term because it is too blurry and often doesnt make sense but I have my own definition of "whiteness" but I wont tell it because it might be controversial and I have no nerves to argue with imbeciles

I dont think she looks necessarily more "white" than you . she is just pretty light for an indian . and yes she is not a typical indian woman IMO from what I have seen but she still has something very south asian in her face at the same time

true, not neccessarily as someone with blonde hair and blue eyes is also not neccessarily more white then someone with brown hair and brown eyes. it depends on definition. but i think she can pass as white, she is not brown, black or yellow.

[Borealis]

maybe she looks more southasian then me but at the same time more white too. in one picture her eyes look green/hazel. maybe some southasians are white? i would definitely say she is white.

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"White south Asians"

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[Mortimer]

"White south Asians"

https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/plainbackequestrian

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[Borealis]

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She is Yazidi.

[Hadouken]

:picard1:

[Mortimer]

She is Yazidi.

ok im too lazy to google but i could find similar kashmiris

[Tauromachos]

She is Yazidi.

What are you?

[Borealis]

ok im too lazy to google but i could find similar kashmiris

I get what you're trying to say but the point is that looking white doesn't make you white. I can pm you a photo of my cousin, I don't consider him white.

[Mortimer]

I get what you're trying to say but the point is that looking white doesn't make you white. I can pm you a photo of my cousin, I don't consider him white.

i said already not neccessarily as it depends on definition a really dark/mena looking sicilian is white too right? so it depends on definition. but to the eye she passes as white.

[Tauromachos]

I get what you're trying to say but the point is that looking white doesn't make you white. I can pm you a photo of my cousin, I don't consider him white.

What are you?

[Mortimer]

What are you?

he is pakistani or indian.

[Zroota]

why do you take it so hard though ? I didnt say anything bad to you xD

I just want to know what indo iranid is since you classify many people like that maybe you can give me information

there is no "link" phenotype between iranians and indians . sometimes iranoafghan can appear in indians but rarely . thats it . maybe indoiranid is nordindid ? in any case the word "iranid" doesnt fit indians

and I have no agenda . it is others who do and I crush them
It's not that I take it hard. I just had enough. I see a lot of these defensive posts from you where you imply that Iranians could never in a million years pass as Indians and vice versa - which I wholeheartedly disagree with. I have always ignored your posts on this. But this time, I really couldn't bottle it up and I had to tell you what I think.

Indo Iranid is a verified east Iranid variant (source: https://archive.org/details/racesofmantheird00haddrich). It has elements of Indo-Brachid and Iranid. It's found between eastern Iran and Pakistan. And this woman posses the east Iranid trait. Two phenotypes can always mesh and be linked. I thought you know this. Anatolid, Cap Med, Taurid, Noric, etc. Again, only in your narrative of course you deny the link between Iranians and Indians. It's fairly apparent bro.

Iranid does fit some Indians to the west, just the same way Dinarid may fit some West Asians as well. A phenotype is not just confined in its region of origin or the ethnicity that's usually associated with it - If that's case then all Assyrians will be Syrid. You hate it when people classify Kurds as Iranid because they're an "Iranic people", right? Well, you're sort of perpetrating the same idea here - "Indians = ONLY INDID", "Iranians = ALL IRANIDS, MAYBE SOME MEDS, BUT NO INDIDS".

Just the same way Kurds can be Armenoids, Meds, Taurids, Alpines, etc, Indians can have diverse phenotypes, especially those that grade to the Iranid types considering that eastern Iran borders South Asia. So it's natural that people in these borders would look similar. Not sure how you see a problem here?

From the way I see it, you hate the idea of Kurds being affiliated with Iranids (which is fair enough), but also don't like it when Iranians are "darkwashed" and Indians "Iranid-washed". I just simply don't understand your logic and mindset here. Do you think, if Indians are linked with Iranians, then this means Kurds will be next in the chain, and thus Kurds, Iranians and Indians will all be related? Is that what's making you angst? :confused:

[NPKTO]

Gracialized Nord Indid + Indobrachid.

[Borealis]

It's not that I take it hard. I just had enough. I see a lot of these defensive posts from you where you imply that Iranians could never in a million years pass as Indians and vice versa - which I wholeheartedly disagree with. I have always ignored your posts on this. But this time, I really couldn't bottle it up and I had to tell you what I think.

Indo Iranid is a verified east Iranid variant (source: https://archive.org/details/racesofmantheird00haddrich). It has elements of Indo-Brachid and Iranid. It's found between eastern Iran and Pakistan. And this woman posses the east Iranid trait. Two phenotypes can always mesh and be linked. I thought you know this. Anatolid, Cap Med, Taurid, Noric, etc. Again, only in your narrative of course you deny the link between Iranians and Indians. It's fairly apparent bro.

Iranid does fit some Indians to the west, just the same way Dinarid may fit some West Asians as well. A phenotype is not just confined in its region of origin or the ethnicity that's usually associated with it - If that's case then all Assyrians will be Syrid. You hate it when people classify Kurds as Iranid because they're an "Iranic people", right? Well, you're sort of perpetrating the same idea here - "Indians = ONLY INDID", "Iranians = ALL IRANIDS, MAYBE SOME MEDS, BUT NO INDIDS".

Just the same way Kurds can be Armenoids, Meds, Taurids, Alpines, etc, Indians can have diverse phenotypes, especially those that grade to the Iranid types considering that eastern Iran borders South Asia. So it's natural that people in these borders would look similar. Not sure how you see a problem here?

From the way I see it, you hate the idea of Kurds being affiliated with Iranids (which is fair enough), but also don't like it when Iranians are "darkwashed" and Indians "Iranid-washed". I just simply don't understand your logic and mindset here. Do you think, if Indians are linked with Iranians, then this means Kurds will be next in the chain, and thus Kurds, Iranians and Indians will all be related? Is that what's making you angst? :confused:

This is gonna blow his mind but one time a Persian girl in highschool asked me if I was Persian.

[Iloko]

She passes in Italy in certain photos

[Fibonacci]

It's not that I take it hard. I just had enough. I see a lot of these defensive posts from you where you imply that Iranians could never in a million years pass as Indians and vice versa - which I wholeheartedly disagree with. I have always ignored your posts on this. But this time, I really couldn't bottle it up and I had to tell you what I think.

Indo Iranid is a verified east Iranid variant (source: https://archive.org/details/racesofmantheird00haddrich). It has elements of Indo-Brachid and Iranid. It's found between eastern Iran and Pakistan. And this woman posses the east Iranid trait. Two phenotypes can always mesh and be linked. I thought you know this. Anatolid, Cap Med, Taurid, Noric, etc. Again, only in your narrative of course you deny the link between Iranians and Indians. It's fairly apparent bro.

Iranid does fit some Indians to the west, just the same way Dinarid may fit some West Asians as well. A phenotype is not just confined in its region of origin or the ethnicity that's usually associated with it - If that's case then all Assyrians will be Syrid. You hate it when people classify Kurds as Iranid because they're an "Iranic people", right? Well, you're sort of perpetrating the same idea here - "Indians = ONLY INDID", "Iranians = ALL IRANIDS, MAYBE SOME MEDS, BUT NO INDIDS".

Just the same way Kurds can be Armenoids, Meds, Taurids, Alpines, etc, Indians can have diverse phenotypes, especially those that grade to the Iranid types considering that eastern Iran borders South Asia. So it's natural that people in these borders would look similar. Not sure how you see a problem here?

From the way I see it, you hate the idea of Kurds being affiliated with Iranids (which is fair enough), but also don't like it when Iranians are "darkwashed" and Indians "Iranid-washed". I just simply don't understand your logic and mindset here. Do you think, if Indians are linked with Iranians, then this means Kurds will be next in the chain, and thus Kurds, Iranians and Indians will all be related? Is that what's making you angst? :confused:

How many of these Iranian women do you think could pass in India? Out of the 2 billion people in India, only a handful could fit in Iran. Let's be realistic here. Iranids are closer to meds than they are to indids. I am from this country, I know more than anyone on this forum except for other Iranians who would agree with me. The overlap between Iranid and east med is far greater than the overlap between Iranid and indid. Get over it
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[Fibonacci]

So what? I once saw a man who looked like he was straight out of Serbia or some Balkan country but it later turned out he was Persian. Diversity exists in Iran, no one looks the same like most south Asians do. Therefore some Iranians aren't really native to the plateau. Iran has been the hub of trade, slavery and migration for the last 5 centuries. Southern Iran is also the home to sub Saharan Africans, from the slave trades during arabic rule. But that doesn't make sub Saharan Africans native to Iran. Sub Saharan can't pass, neither can Indians

[Hadouken]

It's not that I take it hard. I just had enough. I see a lot of these defensive posts from you where you imply that Iranians could never in a million years pass as Indians and vice versa - which I wholeheartedly disagree with. I have always ignored your posts on this. But this time, I really couldn't bottle it up and I had to tell you what I think.

Indo Iranid is a verified east Iranid variant (source: https://archive.org/details/racesofmantheird00haddrich). It has elements of Indo-Brachid and Iranid. It's found between eastern Iran and Pakistan. And this woman posses the east Iranid trait. Two phenotypes can always mesh and be linked. I thought you know this. Anatolid, Cap Med, Taurid, Noric, etc. Again, only in your narrative of course you deny the link between Iranians and Indians. It's fairly apparent bro.

Iranid does fit some Indians to the west, just the same way Dinarid may fit some West Asians as well. A phenotype is not just confined in its region of origin or the ethnicity that's usually associated with it - If that's case then all Assyrians will be Syrid. You hate it when people classify Kurds as Iranid because they're an "Iranic people", right? Well, you're sort of perpetrating the same idea here - "Indians = ONLY INDID", "Iranians = ALL IRANIDS, MAYBE SOME MEDS, BUT NO INDIDS".

Just the same way Kurds can be Armenoids, Meds, Taurids, Alpines, etc, Indians can have diverse phenotypes, especially those that grade to the Iranid types considering that eastern Iran borders South Asia. So it's natural that people in these borders would look similar. Not sure how you see a problem here?

From the way I see it, you hate the idea of Kurds being affiliated with Iranids (which is fair enough), but also don't like it when Iranians are "darkwashed" and Indians "Iranid-washed". I just simply don't understand your logic and mindset here. Do you think, if Indians are linked with Iranians, then this means Kurds will be next in the chain, and thus Kurds, Iranians and Indians will all be related? Is that what's making you angst? :confused:

will answer later

[lameduck]

So what? I once saw a man who looked like he was straight out of Serbia or some Balkan country but it later turned out he was Persian. Diversity exists in Iran, no one looks the same like most south Asians do. Therefore some Iranians aren't really native to the plateau. Iran has been the hub of trade, slavery and migration for the last 5 centuries. Southern Iran is also the home to sub Saharan Africans, from the slave trades during arabic rule. But that doesn't make sub Saharan Africans native to Iran. Sub Saharan can't pass, neither can Indians

it is you who started bringing South Asia to blame darker iranians for when you joined that forum , If you stick to your deserts others will barely care about you. Since at the end of the day lets be honest you guys are hardly a fascinating bunch.

[Fibonacci]

it is you who started bringing South Asia to blame darker iranians for when you joined that forum , If you stick to your deserts others will barely care about you. Since at the end of the day lets be honest you guys are hardly a fascinating bunch.

Darker iranians? What? Ive stated mutliple fucking times that it doesn't matter how dark an Iranian is as long as their phenotype fits the Iranian plateau. When sudo south Asian looking Iranians are posted by you people, I can't help it but to argue. Your Australoid types are not native to Iran, and especially not my home region.
Deserts? Sorry, I was born and raised on a green mountain similar to what you would see in Ireland. I've actually never seen a desert believe it or not.
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[lameduck]

Darker iranians? What? Ive stated mutliple fucking times that it doesn't matter how dark an Iranian is as long as their phenotype fits the Iranian plateau. When sudo south Asian looking Iranians are posted by you people, I can't help it but to argue. Your Australoid types are not native to Iran, and especially not my home region.
Deserts? Sorry, I was born and raised on a green mountain similar to what you would see in Ireland. I've actually never seen a desert believe it or not.
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the types you call pseudo south asian are actually typical middle easterners and no they dont look south asian. If you will bring others than lets be prepared that others will bring your people.

[Fibonacci]

the types you call pseudo south asian are actually typical middle easterners and no they dont look south asian. If you will bring others than lets be prepared that others will bring your people.

Oh give it a break. Typical middle easterners with non west asian features? West Asians are west Asians, if you don't look like one, you're simply not one. Ive seen very dark Iranians who could never pass in India because of their phenotype. Dark skin means jack shit. It's the phenotype which I'm concerned about. You can be a white Indian albino and I would still deny it. Skintone doesn't matter to me.


I never started anything, I made this account because because of the pure garbage I saw from people. I made this account just so I could respond to idiots. So obviously I didn't start shit. The fact that I'm still arguing for something so stupid illustrates the backwardness in everyones behavior, who is still involved.

[Mortimer]

it is you who started bringing South Asia to blame darker iranians for when you joined that forum , If you stick to your deserts others will barely care about you. Since at the end of the day lets be honest you guys are hardly a fascinating bunch.

there are some indians though who openly praise iranians though and their light skin and think that they themselfes are ugly because they look indian and they said literally "i love light people" im speaking of monikai and arpita jones. i agree with this other dude that 99% of southasians cant pass in iran at all. and that you guys post the most atypical indians who barely look indian to me. but i classify by phenotype and this woman looks white. maybe she gives also southasian vibe but she looks white. like a white southasian.

[Mortimer]

Oh give it a break. Typical middle easterners with non west asian features? West Asians are west Asians, if you don't look like one, you're simply not one. Ive seen very dark Iranians who could never pass in India because of their phenotype. Dark skin means jack shit. It's the phenotype which I'm concerned about. You can be a white Indian albino and I would still deny it. Skintone doesn't matter to me.


I never started anything, I made this account because because of the pure garbage I saw from people. I made this account just so I could respond to idiots. So obviously I didn't start shit. The fact that I'm still arguing for something so stupid illustrates the backwardness in everyones behavior, who is still involved.

thats what you say now, but i also agree that many iranians are dark and dont look pseudo-european and you would probably blame it on non-native southasian influence, you just say its because of the features and not their dark skin, but its unlikely.

most iranians neither look european nor southasian. i think you both have some truth.

[lameduck]

Oh give it a break. Typical middle easterners with non west asian features? West Asians are west Asians, if you don't look like one, you're simply not one. Ive seen very dark Iranians who could never pass in India because of their phenotype. Dark skin means jack shit. It's the phenotype which I'm concerned about. You can be a white Indian albino and I would still deny it. Skintone doesn't matter to me.


I never started anything, I made this account because because of the pure garbage I saw from people. I made this account just so I could respond to idiots. So obviously I didn't start shit. The fact that I'm still arguing for something so stupid illustrates the backwardness in everyones behavior, who is still involved.

Fair enough , btw I used to dislike Iranians because I used to think all Iranians are religious ayatullahs but now I have realized there are many secular Iranians as well.

[lameduck]

there are some indians though who openly praise iranians though and their light skin and think that they themselfes are ugly because they look indian and they said literally "i love light people" im speaking of monikai and arpita jones. i agree with this other dude that 99% of southasians cant pass in iran at all. and that you guys post the most atypical indians who barely look indian to me. but i classify by phenotype and this woman looks white. maybe she gives also southasian vibe but she looks white. like a white southasian.

She looks typical Punjabi there are girls like these in every street/village of Punjab.

[Thambi]

there are some indians though who openly praise iranians though and their light skin and think that they themselfes are ugly because they look indian and they said literally "i love light people" im speaking of monikai and arpita jones. i agree with this other dude that 99% of southasians cant pass in iran at all. and that you guys post the most atypical indians who barely look indian to me. but i classify by phenotype and this woman looks white. maybe she gives also southasian vibe but she looks white. like a white southasian.

bro you need to understand many south asian users on these anthroforums are from nw india like punjab or from pakistan. They are more represented than south/central indians on these forums. So nw indians/pakistanis obviously will post people from their region and the ones closest to their groups in the indus region. They are indeed 'white' according to south asian standards. most of them look quite foreign to us south indians as well, but you need to know the demographic of the indians/pakistanis on these forums. They outnumber south asians from other regions on here even though within south asia its not the case.

Now I have posted several south indians on these forums, very dark skinned pitch black ones indeed. you and others have seen them as well. South asians just post phenotypes they are most familiar with from their ethnicities. Sure on average they do pick the lighter skinned folks from their respective regions but they fall in the gamut of their phenotypes.

[Mortimer]

She looks typical Punjabi there are girls like these in every street/village of Punjab.


bro you need to understand many south asian users on these anthroforums are from nw india like punjab or from pakistan. They are more represented than south/central indians on these forums. So nw indians/pakistanis obviously will post people from their region and the ones closest to their groups in the indus region. They are indeed 'white' according to south asian standards. most of them look quite foreign to us south indians as well, but you need to know the demographic of the indians/pakistanis on these forums. They outnumber south asians from other regions on here even though within south asia its not the case.

Now I have posted several south indians on these forums, very dark skinned pitch black ones indeed. you and others have seen them as well. South asians just post phenotypes they are most familiar with from their ethnicities. Sure on average they do pick the lighter skinned folks from their respective regions but they fall in the gamut of their phenotypes.

ok then i need to change my view on nw indians because i thought they are brown but they seem to be white. they dont look at all like gypsies because its said gypsies are from pakistan/nw india but probably because gypsies are dalits that they are much darker.

[Thambi]

ok then i need to change my view on nw indians because i thought they are brown but they seem to be white. they dont look at all like gypsies because its said gypsies are from pakistan/nw india but probably because gypsies are dalits that they are much darker.

that girl isnt that light skinned though. She only look western shifted in that one picture. Her face is quite typical and her skin tone although towards the lighter end its still commonly found in that region. Especially in pakistan. Pakistanis of all ethnicities are quite light skinned. The gypsies I've posted by you are more euro shifted in features even if in skin tone they are sometimes darker than nw indians/pakistanis. most gypsies are lighter and more euro though compared to nw south asians.

[Mortimer]

that girl isnt that light skinned though. She only look western shifted in that one picture. Her face is quite typical and her skin tone although towards the lighter end its still commonly found in that region. Especially in pakistan. Pakistanis of all ethnicities are quite light skinned. The gypsies I've posted by you are more euro shifted in features even if in skin tone they are sometimes darker than nw indians/pakistanis. most gypsies are lighter and more euro though compared to nw south asians.

i dont think so because to the untrained eye and to the common observer she would pass much rather as lets say bulgarian native then my family. they would guess in her bulgaria not as gypsy but as bulgarian. maybe bulgarians and you will disagree but i wouldnt guess her as gypsy in bulgaria or italy or greece but as one of the europeans.

[Thambi]

i dont think so because to the untrained eye and to the common observer she would pass much rather as lets say bulgarian native then my family. they would guess in her bulgaria not as gypsy but as bulgarian. maybe bulgarians and you will disagree but i wouldnt guess her as gypsy in bulgaria or italy or greece but as one of the europeans.

idk she fits perfectly among these students from lahore pakistan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkopnaafrpU&t=

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfizlykrRDc

[Mortimer]

idk she fits perfectly among these students from lahore pakistan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfizlykrRDc

maybe its the lightning at 0:52 they look like gypsies. the guy too. i must see them in real life, but the few pakis i saw in real life were very dark, even darker then my mum.

[Mortimer]

example

this gypsy guy (a in-law relative) looks light skinned in some pictures and he has green eyes but he is really dark skinned in real life

example light skinned
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30709808_1531281493649648_8687796336853043000_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&oh=928098e62ac210d6eb5173adccfa8413&oe=5C5C1551
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23737603_1783114221712677_9178138858718951999_o.jp g?_nc_cat=106&oh=416c4429ffba1538992e3624cbfb7ad9&oe=5C1A802B

real skin colour
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17972257_1518717541491878_958538067752037451_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=109&oh=7c83137eafefcb1460413103455045a6&oe=5C1E1CDB

[Congolese Rice]

Indobrachid?

[Congolese Rice]

example

this gypsy guy (a in-law relative) looks light skinned in some pictures and he has green eyes but he is really dark skinned in real life


lol, this guy has the "Yemeni Effect" loool

i look super light on camera too, IRL i stick out like a sorethumb in the netherlands, both featurewise and in color

[Thambi]

example

this gypsy guy (a in-law relative) looks light skinned in some pictures and he has green eyes but he is really dark skinned in real life



it depends i guess. But in general look at this skin tone map. Its fairly accurate imo. Pakistan has a relatively similar skin tone range as iran. Iranians maybe are a shade lighter on average since most iranians live in the northwest side while pakistanis are spread throughout the country except for the western region of balochistan.
http://i.imgur.com/RuejUQT.png?1

[Khamzat]

bro you need to understand many south asian users on these anthroforums are from nw india like punjab or from pakistan. They are more represented than south/central indians on these forums. So nw indians/pakistanis obviously will post people from their region and the ones closest to their groups in the indus region. They are indeed 'white' according to south asian standards. most of them look quite foreign to us south indians as well, but you need to know the demographic of the indians/pakistanis on these forums. They outnumber south asians from other regions on here even though within south asia its not the case.

Now I have posted several south indians on these forums, very dark skinned pitch black ones indeed. you and others have seen them as well. South asians just post phenotypes they are most familiar with from their ethnicities. Sure on average they do pick the lighter skinned folks from their respective regions but they fall in the gamut of their phenotypes.


it depends i guess. But in general look at this skin tone map. Its fairly accurate imo. Pakistan has a relatively similar skin tone range as iran. Iranians maybe are a shade lighter on average since most iranians live in the northwest side while pakistanis are spread throughout the country except for the western region of balochistan.
http://i.imgur.com/RuejUQT.png?1
Pakistan isn’t similar to Iran at all in skin colour, majority of Pakistanis outside the North and the West part of Pakistan are the same colour as NW Indians, we’re a dark people. Nothing wrong with that.

[Mortimer]

it depends i guess. But in general look at this skin tone map. Its fairly accurate imo. Pakistan has a relatively similar skin tone range as iran. Iranians maybe are a shade lighter on average since most iranians live in the northwest side while pakistanis are spread throughout the country except for the western region of balochistan.
http://i.imgur.com/RuejUQT.png?1

maybe iranians arent all that light either as they are perceived, the few iranians i saw were dark. actually i saw only one iranian, it was a girl in high school but she was dark.

[Thambi]

maybe iranians arent all that light either as they are perceived, the few iranians i saw were dark. actually i saw only one iranian, it was a girl in high school but she was dark.

ok my point wasnt to darkwash iranians here. They are only one shade darker than turks/southern euros. They are quite light skinned people but what im saying is pakistanis although unique in features from their western neighbors arent that different in terms of skin tone range.

[Mortimer]

ok my point wasnt to darkwash iranians here. They are only one shade darker than turks/southern euros. They are quite light skinned people but what im saying is pakistanis although unique in features from their western neighbors arent that different in terms of skin tone range.

no you are whitewashing pakistanis. i saw pakistanis in real life and they are dark as fuck, i dont know how accurate that map is. but i think in eastern iran live southasian people the balochis. they maybe look like pakistanis.

[Thambi]

no you are whitewashing pakistanis. i saw pakistanis in real life and they are dark as fuck, i dont know how accurate that map is. but i think in eastern iran live southasian people the balochis. they maybe look like pakistanis.

hmm i mean they have their range/diversity as well. many indians went over to pakistan during partition and many of them are pitch black. And their low castes have similar skin tone south/central indians. but their regular upper and mid castes who form 75-80% of the nation are on average light skinned. the pakistanis I've seen though, especially the women, are very light skinned. I'd say the punjabis and kashmiris from pakistan are lighter than nw indians.

[Mortimer]

hmm i mean they have their range/diversity as well. many indians went over to pakistan during partition and many of them are pitch black. And their low castes have similar skin tone south/central indians. but their regular upper and mid castes who form 75-80% of the nation are on average light skinned. the pakistanis I've seen though, especially the women, are very light skinned. I'd say the punjabis and kashmiris from pakistan are lighter than nw indians.

ok bro, could make sense.

[Thambi]

ok bro, could make sense.

lol, sorry i didnt mean to come off as pushy and convince that my statements are 100% accurate or something but I'm just basing it off on my observations. I'll just shut up and see what the pakistanis have to say. Kimbo said most iranians are quite lighter than pakistanis so obviously he knows his people. I might have seen more lighter skinned pakistanis by chance. There arent that many in my area but the few that i have seen in real life are very light.

[Mortimer]

lol, sorry i didnt mean to come off as pushy and convince that my statements are 100% accurate or something but I'm just basing it off on my observations. I'll just shut up and see what the pakistanis have to say. Kimbo said most iranians are quite lighter than pakistanis so obviously he knows his people. I might have seen more lighter skinned pakistanis by chance. There arent that many in my area but the few that i have seen in real life are very light.

no you didnt came as pushy i wasnt sarcastic, i genuinely agreed with you. and i think there are light people in pakistan but i saw in real life also dark people maybe they were low castes or people from india too its possible as i never asked them their background. i was not sarcastic.

[Thambi]

anyways my knowledge regarding pakistan or most of the world actually is still low. I can comment regarding indians, but I'm not strong regarding pakistanis. People in south asia have variation within castes and its a mixed bag, including pakistan. Iran is overall way lighter. I think the skin tone map for south asia is inaccurate cause there is variation within a region between different castes and within castes. I made some controversial statements tbh. I apologize to the pakistanis and iranians. I'll stick to topics that I'm more knowledgeable in. Actually I'm realizing I'm not knowledgeable in most of the topics on here lol so i'll just be quiet.

[lameduck]

no you are whitewashing pakistanis. i saw pakistanis in real life and they are dark as fuck, i dont know how accurate that map is. but i think in eastern iran live southasian people the balochis. they maybe look like pakistanis.

before that you were saying that you have only seen one Pakistani lol , Pakistan is diverse but I would say these Pictures from North uptill South Cover Bulk of pigmentation Pakistan
http://www.dardistantimes.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_story_image/public/dt-picture-gallery/ismailis-chitral-celebrate-phatak-festival.jpg?itok=Jhl7Kbni
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJNrlAtXcAAXtl-.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SL9nRAd.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FTR16H/epa04088446-people-and-relatives-attend-the-funeral-prayer-of-eight-FTR16H.jpg
https://c7.alamy.com/comp/EETMPC/traders-of-mall-road-and-hall-road-chant-slogans-against-publication-EETMPC.jpg
https://www.minhaj.net/images-db8/PAT-protest-rally-againt-corruption_Layyah_2014-03-08_03.jpg
https://1434697713.rsc.cdn77.org/assets/uploads/2018/02/13/Asma-copy.jpg
http://www.globalodyssey.net/wp-content/uploads/galleries/post-73/Balti%20boys_0023.jpg
http://www.pakistantribe.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/PTI-Lahore-Jalsa1.jpg
http://lahoreworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/pic-syed-munawar-hasan.jpg
https://www.suchtv.pk/media/k2/items/cache/d4e818bce9f44d68a52afbb358c43de6_XL.jpg
http://i.dawn.com/large/2013/05/5191a13f5d842.jpg
http://www.thenewstribe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/YES-Students.gif
https://c.tribune.com.pk/2012/10/444995-people-1349032680-950-640x480.jpg
https://c.tribune.com.pk/2012/08/426639-people-1346004368-323-640x480.jpg

[Fibonacci]

maybe iranians arent all that light either as they are perceived, the few iranians i saw were dark. actually i saw only one iranian, it was a girl in high school but she was dark.

Iranians vary in skintone but in general, we are lighter than what 99% of the people here think. Here are some pictures of Iranians in Tehran during the winter. In 2 of the pictures, you can compare the American journalists skintone to the Iranians next to him. You be the judge.

http://imgur.com/a7gofoO.jpg
http://imgur.com/QLAIKbp.jpg
http://imgur.com/J6bW9NM.jpg
http://imgur.com/zpAMfsD.jpg
http://imgur.com/yr1R0Hh.jpg

[Borealis]

Iranians vary in skintone but in general, we are lighter than what 99% of the people here think. Here are some pictures of Iranians in Tehran during the winter. In 2 of the pictures, you can compare the American journalists skintone to the Iranians next to him. You be the judge.

http://imgur.com/a7gofoO.jpg
http://imgur.com/QLAIKbp.jpg
http://imgur.com/J6bW9NM.jpg
http://imgur.com/zpAMfsD.jpg
http://imgur.com/yr1R0Hh.jpg

Why do Iranians in the west tend to be browner than those though?

[lameduck]

Iranians vary in skintone but in general, we are lighter than what 99% of the people here think. Here are some pictures of Iranians in Tehran during the winter. In 2 of the pictures, you can compare the American journalists skintone to the Iranians next to him. You be the judge.

http://imgur.com/a7gofoO.jpg
http://imgur.com/QLAIKbp.jpg
http://imgur.com/J6bW9NM.jpg
http://imgur.com/zpAMfsD.jpg
http://imgur.com/yr1R0Hh.jpg

wow you guys are quite light skin, i would say you are on par with kurds/south caucasians.

[Fibonacci]

Why do Iranians in the west tend to be browner than those though?

Iranians in the west
http://imgur.com/XkVeHSm.jpg
http://imgur.com/OXEz6c6.jpg
http://imgur.com/WswVz7a.jpg
http://imgur.com/i9iA9Ca.jpg
http://imgur.com/Trmi2Wf.jpg

[Hadouken]

I know a lot of iranians here in the west (germany) and they dont look like what trolls try to make them out to be . they are way lighter than what trolls depict and also vast majority doesnt pass even as atypical south asian . get a grip already

@Shelati

your post is very long so I will make it short

first of all why are you so in rage ? I didnt say anything wrong

and vast majority of iranians dont pass in india dude . gtfo

and regarding iranid . if we have some iranids then iranid doesnt exist in south asia plain and simple . and if it does then it is mixed with indid often so you might be right about the indoiranid type


let me show you some kurdish people who I think are iranid (I will also post pkk but without any political reason . only phenotypical reasons) . look very different from south asians . iranids have nothing to do with south asians . lets call it west iranid then otherwise I will not let this go

iranid with slight nordoid = http://up.picr.de/32527542mo.jpg

iranid woman with a little pontid influence = http://up.picr.de/33805650yy.jpg

iranid with some cappadocid = http://up.picr.de/31908970oq.jpg

iranids with some pontid shift = http://up.picr.de/31908974np.jpg

iranid/robust iranid mix = http://up.picr.de/31908984ku.jpg

general iranids and robust iranids

http://abload.de/img/ciya_amed_kenan_guzeleok3s.jpg

http://abload.de/img/1.jpghclufkonk8u.jpg

http://www.hezenparastin.com/sehit/wene/sehit_kunyeleri/2016/roza_leyla.jpg

http://abload.de/img/35d242426c151ea294ba3zai1i.jpg

http://abload.de/img/9f7d409dff686d15d6aecampfg.jpg

http://abload.de/img/7a8fe2fc2393e35fb76dcd1pot.jpg

http://abload.de/img/xebat_murat_okmen27sd76.jpg

http://abload.de/img/e7623022370b992338d18waoc3.jpg

http://abload.de/img/f359c93a91e50dad5f7a0wnqi8.jpg

http://abload.de/img/bd453c22415554e4edc70sxblm.jpg

http://abload.de/img/zindan_secat_miroyimi4bldn.jpg

http://abload.de/img/c0463a74730bd2dbab86cxko11.jpg

http://abload.de/img/hamza_sedat_binici_2wbypm.jpg

http://abload.de/img/5f32f9e53c7f38fc5fcf872p4h.jpg

http://up.picr.de/31436472zh.jpg

http://up.picr.de/31436460yk.jpg

http://up.picr.de/31436462sg.jpg

http://abload.de/img/rebaz_esat_ahmet_1t1kcb.jpg

[Kamal900]

How many of these Iranian women do you think could pass in India? Out of the 2 billion people in India, only a handful could fit in Iran. Let's be realistic here. Iranids are closer to meds than they are to indids. I am from this country, I know more than anyone on this forum except for other Iranians who would agree with me. The overlap between Iranid and east med is far greater than the overlap between Iranid and indid. Get over it
http://imgur.com/L1in2E6.jpg
http://imgur.com/0wVQ7Wr.jpg
http://imgur.com/kyxqFbl.jpg
http://imgur.com/QmgaVM8.jpg
http://imgur.com/sTE0gLL.jpg

They do look Levantine to me.

[Fibonacci]

They do look Levantine to me.

Everyone here says Iranians are close to the Levant so why should I be surprised? Iranians cluster between northern Mesopotamians and northern Caucasus. We are not close any Arab population except for northern Mesopotamians

[Borealis]

They do look Levantine to me.

Levantines have that distinctive semitic look that is hard to describe. Droopy eyes n shit.

[Kamal900]

Levantines have that distinctive semitic look that is hard to describe. Droopy eyes n shit.

Like this? Thats me btw:

https://image.ibb.co/buqm7Q/20170825_112413.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/bygF1k/20170825_112359.jpg

[Mortimer]

before that you were saying that you have only seen one Pakistani lol , Pakistan is diverse but I would say these Pictures from North uptill South Cover Bulk of pigmentation Pakistan
http://www.dardistantimes.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_story_image/public/dt-picture-gallery/ismailis-chitral-celebrate-phatak-festival.jpg?itok=Jhl7Kbni
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJNrlAtXcAAXtl-.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SL9nRAd.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FTR16H/epa04088446-people-and-relatives-attend-the-funeral-prayer-of-eight-FTR16H.jpg
https://c7.alamy.com/comp/EETMPC/traders-of-mall-road-and-hall-road-chant-slogans-against-publication-EETMPC.jpg
https://www.minhaj.net/images-db8/PAT-protest-rally-againt-corruption_Layyah_2014-03-08_03.jpg
https://1434697713.rsc.cdn77.org/assets/uploads/2018/02/13/Asma-copy.jpg
http://www.globalodyssey.net/wp-content/uploads/galleries/post-73/Balti%20boys_0023.jpg
http://www.pakistantribe.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/PTI-Lahore-Jalsa1.jpg
http://lahoreworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/pic-syed-munawar-hasan.jpg
https://www.suchtv.pk/media/k2/items/cache/d4e818bce9f44d68a52afbb358c43de6_XL.jpg
http://i.dawn.com/large/2013/05/5191a13f5d842.jpg
http://www.thenewstribe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/YES-Students.gif
https://c.tribune.com.pk/2012/10/444995-people-1349032680-950-640x480.jpg
https://c.tribune.com.pk/2012/08/426639-people-1346004368-323-640x480.jpg

No i said i saw one iranian i saw more pakistanis

[Fibonacci]

Fair enough , btw I used to dislike Iranians because I used to think all Iranians are religious ayatullahs but now I have realized there are many secular Iranians as well.

Pakistan is a lot more religious than Iran. Infact, many Iranians don't know nor care much about Islam. They are born under a banner of Islam. Even the Iranians who consider themselves muslims are speaking of a banner rather than actual belief. Islamic culture doesn't exist in Iranian culture like it does in Pakistan or semitic countries. We even celebrate ancient Iranian holidays which would be anti islamic and go against everything in the quran.

I know Iranian Muslims who openly critize islamic culture and the islamic government. Liberal Iranians in general seperate the population between muslim (hezbollahi) and Iranian. These are 2 different things.

You'll also see Iranians who party, have threesomes and drink day and night in Iran but some of them would still identify as Muslims because it's a fake banner we are all born under and its shoved down our throats since pre school. Many of them don't care nor know what religion they are apart of.

[Khamzat]

No i said i saw one iranian i saw more pakistanis
How do you know they were Pakistanis and not Indians? Theirs not really much Pakistanis in Austria.

[Mortimer]

How do you know they were Pakistanis and not Indians? Theirs not really much Pakistanis in Austria.

because they said they are pakistanis. i talked to them too.

[Mortimer]

How do you know they were Pakistanis and not Indians? Theirs not really much Pakistanis in Austria.

They said they are pakistanis but his pictures are pretty accurate but the people now are dark as fuck much darker then the OP girl. Thats what I saw them to look like too.

Are they low castes?

https://www.minhaj.net/images-db8/PAT-protest-rally-againt-corruption_Layyah_2014-03-08_03.jpg

[lameduck]

They said they are pakistanis but his pictures are pretty accurate but the people now are dark as fuck much darker then the OP girl. Thats what I saw them to look like too.

Are they low castes?

https://www.minhaj.net/images-db8/PAT-protest-rally-againt-corruption_Layyah_2014-03-08_03.jpg

not low caste the picture is from southern Punjab , where People tend to be more tanned, but features remain the same

North Punjab

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJNrjrEW0AIiNBk.jpg

central Punjab

https://1434697713.rsc.cdn77.org/assets/uploads/2018/02/13/Asma-copy.jpg

South Punjab

https://www.minhaj.net/images-db8/PAT-protest-rally-againt-corruption_Layyah_2014-03-08_11.jpg

[Mortimer]

not low caste the picture is from southern Punjab , where People tend to be more tanned, but features remain the same

North Punjab

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJNrjrEW0AIiNBk.jpg

central Punjab

https://1434697713.rsc.cdn77.org/assets/uploads/2018/02/13/Asma-copy.jpg

South Punjab

https://www.minhaj.net/images-db8/PAT-protest-rally-againt-corruption_Layyah_2014-03-08_11.jpg

i still see many very dark face in all pictures but its disturbed that you dont see their faces properly from far away only in small. post a closer up picture of how a pakistani looks like i can tell you how they look when i saw them.

like this
https://www.samaa.tv/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/zulfiqar-ali-in-indonesia.jpg

[lameduck]

i still see many very dark face in all pictures but its disturbed that you dont see their faces properly from far away only in small. post a closer up picture of how a pakistani looks like i can tell you how they look when i saw them.

like this


I posted large crowd pics to show holistic image of pigmentation, as for dark people yes there are tonnes of dark skinned Pakistanis I would say 20% of Pakistanis can be quite dark. You can see some good individual pictures from these athletes

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anthroscape/south-asian-athletes-in-asian-games-2018-t85045.html

[Mortimer]

I posted large crowd pics to show holistic image of pigmentation, as for dark people yes there are tonnes of dark skinned Pakistanis I would say 20% of Pakistanis can be quite dark. You can see some good individual pictures from these athletes

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anthroscape/classify-this-couple-t85498.html

I think its 80% who are dark skinned (more or less you dont need to be pitch black to be dark skinned) if pakistanis really looked light skinned and like the girl in OP they wouldnt be considered non-white anymore in europe.

[lameduck]

I think its 80% who are dark skinned if pakistanis really looked light skinned and like the girl in OP they wouldnt be considered non-white anymore in europe.

lol no this girl dont pass anywhere in Europe , even Turks and Kurds are considered non white in Europe let alone Pakistanis. Here are some videos of Pakistanis from UK(largest diaspora of Pakistanis in Europe) and they are called Pakis there not white.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR7J3NLiPvY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ0a5I1dUo4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBC4vzI03LU

[Mortimer]

lol no this girl dont pass anywhere in Europe , even Turks and Kurds are considered non white in Europe let alone Pakistanis. Here are some videos of Pakistanis from UK(largest diaspora of Pakistanis in Europe) and they are called Pakis there not white.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR7J3NLiPvY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ0a5I1dUo4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBC4vzI03LU

there is a thread for her if she passes in europe and they said yes she does.

[Mortimer]

Question which woman looks more pakistani

1.
https://freeguider.pk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/pakistani-beauty-800x445.jpg

or

2.http://www.viewstorm.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/pakistani-women.jpeg

[lameduck]

Question which woman looks more pakistani



well all look Pakistani , Pakistan is a country of 200 million , there is no one look, but I would say many Paki women look like this

https://i.imgur.com/ML873hP.png

[Mortimer]

well all look Pakistani , Pakistan is a country of 200 million , there is no one look, but I would say many Paki women look like this

https://i.imgur.com/ML873hP.png

ok. im sorry if i was ignorant about pakistan. im sure that there are many women like the girl in op in that large country. i didnt saw that many pakistanis really maybe 5. thats not enough to know it. i talked to some though. they were dark. i never saw a pakistani woman.

btw those women you posted could pass as gypsies too.

my cousin
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37008536_1587413354720017_4637443478467379200_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&oh=28acd4f27eec2d70714ced58cfb48465&oe=5C2C55D4

[lameduck]

ok. im sorry if i was ignorant about pakistan. im sure that there are many women like the girl in op in that large country. i didnt saw that many pakistanis really maybe 5. thats not enough to know it. i talked to some though. they were dark. i never saw a pakistani woman.

well thanks , though Pakistanis are some of closest people to gypsies when it comes to looks.

[Mortimer]

well thanks , though Pakistanis are some of closest people to gypsies when it comes to looks.

there is a new study that gypsies are from pakistan.

Results
According to our analyses, Roma showed significant IBD sharing of 0.132 Mb with Northwest Indian ethnic groups. The most significant IBD sharings included ethnic groups of Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat states. However, we found also significant IBD sharing of 0.087 Mb with ethnic groups living in Pakistan, such as Balochi, Brahui, Burusho, Kalash, Makrani, Pashtun and Sindhi.

Conclusion
Our results show that Northwest India could play an important role in the South Asian ancestry of Roma, however, the origin of Romani people might include the area of Pakistan as well.

https://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12863-017-0547-x

[lameduck]

there is a new study that gypsies are from pakistan.

Results
According to our analyses, Roma showed significant IBD sharing of 0.132 Mb with Northwest Indian ethnic groups. The most significant IBD sharings included ethnic groups of Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat states. However, we found also significant IBD sharing of 0.087 Mb with ethnic groups living in Pakistan, such as Balochi, Brahui, Burusho, Kalash, Makrani, Pashtun and Sindhi.

Conclusion
Our results show that Northwest India could play an important role in the South Asian ancestry of Roma, however, the origin of Romani people might include the area of Pakistan as well.

https://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12863-017-0547-x

cool ,brotherhood.

[Zhulta]

woman in OP looks gracile indid to me

[reboun]

Turanid + Indo-Iranid